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Zach82
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Fuck you, Karl. I know full well you will have friends here to kiss your pissy outrage away and tell you what an angel you've been and how horrible I am, but how the ever living FUCK do you get off openly wishing for my murder because you don't like my theology?
Now go on and tell me how I'm illiterate and a horrible person for getting you all wrong, because FUCK if you have any ability to take any responsibility for your hateful, self-righteous temper tantrums.
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mousethief
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Everybody knows I am always jumping in to defend Zach82, so here I go again. Karl, you crossed a line.
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lilBuddha
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Um, He did not call for your murder, he called you a child; a point this OP may well prove.
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lilBuddha
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Ooops, I read that wrong. Carry on.
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Zach82
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Um, He did not call for your murder, he called you a child; a point this OP may well prove.
No surprise here, LilBuddha is so quick to judge me he clearly didn't even fucking read Karl's post.
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orfeo
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But still had time to change gender...
...apart from that I'd say your sense of outrage is pretty reasonable.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Zach82:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Um, He did not call for your murder, he called you a child; a point this OP may well prove.
No surprise here, LilBuddha is so quick to judge me he clearly didn't even fucking read Karl's post.
I did read the post, I read it incorrectly, as you did mine.
Judge you? No, just going by past experience. But what do you know, this time you got it right. Who would have thought?
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Zach, I can see how you read it that way. What I meant was you may find that your theology may make some people considerably angrier than I would be.
Apologies for overdoing the rhetoric.
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Zach82
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Zach82:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Um, He did not call for your murder, he called you a child; a point this OP may well prove.
No surprise here, LilBuddha is so quick to judge me he clearly didn't even fucking read Karl's post.
I did read the post, I read it incorrectly, as you did mine.
Judge you? No, just going by past experience. But what do you know, this time you got it right. Who would have thought?
You're basically just admitting that I was entirely right about you, but you're too much of a sad little coward to admit it.
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Zach82
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Zach, I can see how you read it that way. What I meant was you may find that your theology may make some people considerably angrier than I would be.
Apologies for overdoing the rhetoric.
On what planet does "Let's hope the ship is rid of you when you get murdered for your theology" constitute "rhetoric?"
Go to hell.
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orfeo
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Classy. You get the viewing gallery on your side, you get an immediate apology and it's not the right apology.
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Zach82
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Classy. You get the viewing gallery on your side, you get an immediate apology and it's not the right apology.
It's right out of your playbook, if you're honest enough to admit it.
Though I don't fool myself into thinking that you and plenty of others wouldn't be delighted to be "rid" of me. So why don't I just do you and Karl a favor and alleviate you of my presence?
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orfeo
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Oh FFS Zach, I really don't care as much about you as you seem to think. If I did I would have let you know when I was coming to Boston just so I could stand outside your window, making snickering noises in the middle of the night.
But I'm a Hellhost, and I see every Hell call, and getting an apology straight away is incredibly rare and I'm just commenting on the fact that you've thrown the apology straight back in the apologiser's face. Because you like being outraged. It feels good, doesn't it?
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Zach, Zach, I have no desire to see people dead. I leave that to your version of God.
I observe, however, that if you were to spew your killer God theology in the wrong place, one side effect would be that you'd not be spewing it here any more. That side effect would not grieve me, even if, believe it or not, your death would.
But if you want to project and think that your enemies'd really like to see your demise, that's your prerogative.
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Zach82
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Oh FFS Zach, I really don't care as much about you as you seem to think. If I did I would have let you know when I was coming to Boston just so I could stand outside your window, making snickering noises in the middle of the night.
But I'm a Hellhost, and I see every Hell call, and getting an apology straight away is incredibly rare and I'm just commenting on the fact that you've thrown the apology straight back in the apologiser's face. Because you like being outraged. It feels good, doesn't it?
Gee, I threw an obviously fake apology right back into Karl's disingenuous face. What a monster I am.
I figured how this thread would go.
[ 18. June 2014, 12:00: Message edited by: Zach82 ]
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orfeo
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![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) I didn't say you were a monster, I suggested you lacked class. I would have said the same to any other moron who snatched ungracious defeat from the jaws of a hellcall victory. In the case of any other moron of that kind, I wouldn't have had to HESITATE before doing so on the grounds of knowing exactly what kind of pathetic reaction I would get.
But most other people wouldn't be that moronic in the first place. You have developed letting everyone on the Ship know how hurt and aggrieved you are into a fucking art form. A pissy, passive-aggressive art form. Woe is me, Zach The Persecuted. See how They are picking on me. Villains to be interchangeable.
I've seen limp-wristed drag queens who take their knocks in a more manly fashion than you, Zach. You basically epitomise the simulation that's been complained about in the context of soccer/football in Purgatory at the moment. You are the Ship's equivalent of a striker who goes down in the penalty area rather than get up and chase the ball. You are a pathetic, whining weasel who just got a legitimate free kick in your favour, and an opponent apologising and offering to help you up, but you weren't done with writhing on the ground.
You are the Ship's Master Sulker. I mean, look at it. You decide to join me in with Karl with a "maybe I should be gone, you'd be happy then". What, are you implying I'd like to see you murdered, too? WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU GET THAT FROM?
I'll tell you what I'd like Zach. I'd like you to accept an apology when it's offered. I'd like you to be gracious once in a while. I'd like you to not spend several FUCKING days explaining in hurt tones why I should accept how excellent your advice on German grammar is even though I've explained over and over again that I wasn't looking for advice on German grammar, and then bringing it up again weeks later in a totally different conversation just to remind me that you were hurt by it all. I'd like you to stop telling everyone, all the fucking time, just how painful your Ship experience is in the hope that we'll all make sympathetic cooing noises and buy you a chocolate ice cream.
[ 18. June 2014, 12:29: Message edited by: orfeo ]
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Go fuck yourself Zach82. I'll take Karl's theology over your theology any day of the week, especially Sunday.
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Zach82
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See, orfeo, this is an example of why I shouldn't even bother. All I wanted you to understand was that I wasn't trying to insult you, I was only trying to start a conversation, and I never for a second though I was offering particularly brilliant insights for your edification.
You accuse ME of nursing outrage? PUH-leeze.
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orfeo
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quote:
Originally posted by Zach82:
See, orfeo, this is an example of why I shouldn't even bother.
QED
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Zach82
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Zach82:
See, orfeo, this is an example of why I shouldn't even bother.
QED
Yes. Your inability to admit even the faintest possibility that I was trying to engage you with sincerity proves why I shouldn't even bother. I assure you it's only out of habit that I continue doing so.
[ 18. June 2014, 12:34: Message edited by: Zach82 ]
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Zach82
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And Karl, before I rush off to work, I suppose if I don't accept your apology, I would be failing to admit the obvious fact that the ship would gladly be rid of me. I shouldn't blame you for merely stating that in a way that, inadvertently I am sure, implied that my death you achieve that. I am sorry for throwing your apology back in your face.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Zach82:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Zach82:
See, orfeo, this is an example of why I shouldn't even bother.
QED
Yes. Your inability to admit even the faintest possibility that I was trying to engage you with sincerity proves why I shouldn't even bother. I assure you it's only out of habit that I continue doing so.
...are we still talking about German again? Oh for heaven's sake. Your sincerity wasn't the issue. Your inability to grasp that I wasn't interested in the topic you raised was the issue. It still is, apparently. Because you've only missed the point about 15 times now.
LET IT GO. The only reason I even remember the German conversation is because you brought it up again on a totally different thread in a totally different context.
Over and over again, how bad orfeo is, how misunderstood Zach is. Zach wants one of the Ship's mothers to cuddle him and bring his teddy and kiss it better, because that orfeo boy is a big meany who didn't want to play German conjugation. Over and over and over and over until someone acknowledges what a good little boy you are.
You misunderstood what I was driving at with the German thing. DEAL WITH IT.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Zach82:
And Karl, before I rush off to work, I suppose if I don't accept your apology, I would be failing to admit the obvious fact that the ship would gladly be rid of me. I shouldn't blame you for merely stating that in a way that, inadvertently I am sure, implied that my death you achieve that. I am sorry for throwing your apology back in your face.
Why don't you just quote the poem?
Nobody likes me, everybody hates me...
This is precisely the snivelling I'm talking about!
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Zach82
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I might have hurts feeling over it, but it's also just an objective reality if there ever is one. If I can't converse with you or indeed the general ship about German grammar, then I probably can't converse with you or the ship about anything.
It seems to me that your temper tantrums about me merely saying so only proves the point that you are trying to strenuously to disprove. I am not welcome here, and don't worry because I know I am more than a little responsible for that.
[ 18. June 2014, 12:48: Message edited by: Zach82 ]
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Originally posted by Zach82:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Zach, I can see how you read it that way. What I meant was you may find that your theology may make some people considerably angrier than I would be.
Apologies for overdoing the rhetoric.
On what planet does "Let's hope the ship is rid of you when you get murdered for your theology" constitute "rhetoric?"
Go to hell.
Karl overdid the rhetoric, for sure. He apologised for that.
Accept it and move on.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Zach82:
I might have hurts feeling over it, but it's also just an objective reality if there ever is one. If I can't converse with you or indeed the general ship about German grammar, then I probably can't converse with you or the ship about anything.
As I recall, it was on the TICTH thread. You're not supposed to be conversing with me, or anyone else for that matter, about anything on that thread. That was one of the sources of irritation. If I'd wanted a conversation about it I would have posted it somewhere else.
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Soror Magna
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Originally posted by Zach82:
... I am not welcome here, and don't worry because I know I am more than a little responsible for that.
Well, that's just plain silly. if you yourself say you're "more than a little responsible", what exactly are you complaining about? That Karl overreacted to your jackholery?
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Matt Black
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Zach, what exactly is your problem? As far as I see it, the following chain of events occurred:
1. Karl overstepped the mark in being too strong with the rhetoric in a way that could be construed as wishing your death.
2. You - rightly - complained.
3. Karl - rightly - apologised
4. Hell thread's job done.
So why is this still going on? You apparently don't accept his apology - what do you want him to do: paint his arse blue and crawl naked from Chesterfield to London?
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Never before have I known defeat to be snatched from the jaws of victory with such vigour. It could be a case study.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Oh FFS Zach, I really don't care as much about you as you seem to think.
I think this is the heart of the problem. At least negative attention is attention.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
What do you want him to do: paint his arse blue and crawl naked from Chesterfield to London?
Sounds like quite a good Ship's fundraiser to me. I'd pay good money for it ![[Biased]](wink.gif) .
You've not seen my arse. We'd have to hand out peril-sensitive sunglasses as per Hitch-Hikers Guide...
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I think they're both a pair of twats to be honest but I didn't think Karl's post was inciting murder on Zachybobs. I think he was pointing out - quite reasonably - that if Zachybobs said "God did it" to a bereaved parent, the said parent would most likely put Zachybobs in hospital for a good long bout of treatment.
But Zachybob decided to get all flouncy. I put it down to teenage hormones. My lad is going all "kevin" at the moment. They grow out of it later on apparently.
But still... both twats.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by deano:
I think they're both a pair of twats to be honest
Yeah, love you too Deanybabes!
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Originally posted by deano:
But Zachybob decided to get all flouncy. I put it down to teenage hormones. My lad is going all "kevin" at the moment. They grow out of it later on apparently.
Oi! Using my name as a byword for teenage angst - it's so unfair, I hate you.
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Twats and painted arses. Does it get any better than this? Bring out the beer!
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Originally posted by South Coast Kevin:
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Originally posted by deano:
But Zachybob decided to get all flouncy. I put it down to teenage hormones. My lad is going all "kevin" at the moment. They grow out of it later on apparently.
Oi! Using my name as a byword for teenage angst - it's so unfair, I hate you.
We just don't understand you and we're ruining your life!
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Originally posted by deano:
I didn't think Karl's post was inciting murder on Zachybobs. I think he was pointing out - quite reasonably - that if Zachybobs said "God did it" to a bereaved parent, the said parent would most likely put Zachybobs in hospital for a good long bout of treatment.
On this very rare occasion, I agree with you.
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by deano:
I didn't think Karl's post was inciting murder on Zachybobs. I think he was pointing out - quite reasonably - that if Zachybobs said "God did it" to a bereaved parent, the said parent would most likely put Zachybobs in hospital for a good long bout of treatment.
On this very rare occasion, I agree with you.
Me, too. A diabolical miracle! ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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<looks nervously out of window for further signs of the Apocalypse>
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by deano:
I didn't think Karl's post was inciting murder on Zachybobs. I think he was pointing out - quite reasonably - that if Zachybobs said "God did it" to a bereaved parent, the said parent would most likely put Zachybobs in hospital for a good long bout of treatment.
On this very rare occasion, I agree with you.
Me, too. A diabolical miracle!
Yeah, me too, three, four. And Zach doing the classic Zach thing of wildly exaggerating and maybe slightly twisting what someone has said ("You called my argument stupid, so that means you think everyone who ever disagrees with you about anything is an idiot") and getting outraged about it. And then claiming not to understand the point abut rhetoric. Wow.
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Originally posted by Zach82:
tell me how I'm illiterate and a horrible person for getting you all wrong, because FUCK if you have any ability to take any responsibility for your hateful, self-righteous temper tantrums.
You're not illiterate.
I don't know whether you're a horrible person in real life, but if all the posters on the Ship were ranked in terms of apparent niceness I'd wager a fiver on you coming in the bottom 20%.
Karl's words didn't wish for your murder, but did wish for your absence from here. He went too far - had he merely wished for an absence of your bad attitude it would have been an unremarkable commonplace observation. He took responsibility for his mistake and apologised.
His original observation had a serious point about points of view being tempered by real life experience. You seem to be reducing everything to the merely personal. Taking all the umbrage you can get is not a good habit.
It's not his attitude that needs a little work - it's yours.
Stick around; keep working on it.
I don't often do Hell, so I may be out of practice...
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by deano:
I didn't think Karl's post was inciting murder on Zachybobs. I think he was pointing out - quite reasonably - that if Zachybobs said "God did it" to a bereaved parent, the said parent would most likely put Zachybobs in hospital for a good long bout of treatment.
On this very rare occasion, I agree with you.
Me, too. A diabolical miracle!
FWIW
I don't think Karl overstepped that much. It was a little rash, maybe, but he made a very valid point.
Zach has just acted like a big baby. He should go and sit on the naughty stair for a while and calm down.
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The Silent Acolyte
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paint his arse blue and crawl naked from Chesterfield to London
Am I an ignorant internet poster who is missing some Jerusalem-to-Athens significance to this? maps.google tells me its about a 50-hour walk. It doesn't have an estimate for crawling.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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I live in Chesterfield. I think that's the point.
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Zach82
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Karl wants to talk about pastoral support for the bereaved? Let's talk about it then.
No, I wouldn't tell grieving parents that God killed their children. Actually, I have talked to people who were losing children, and lots of other people coping with tragedy, and I have found that they get angry at God all on their own. Actually, I have coped with death in my own family and felt these feelings for myself.
What they need is to have their feelings heard and validated so that they can begin to move on. And see here, there are passages of Scripture where people feel these very real feelings without trying to explain them away, which Karl thinks he's just a saint for questioning.
No, grieving people don't need to be told "God did it." But what they don't need even less are simplistic attempts to absolve God of any responsibility for his creation with facile excuses from people whose faith is too timid to cope with difficult theological questions.
So that is why I think Karl is being a pompous shit, and why I don't think a half apology for being "a little to rhetorical" cuts the mustard.
It's already clear that I will NEVER get a fair hearing from people like orfeo or lilBuddha, so it's entirely my fault for trying to get them to see how generally shitty they are to me.
[ 18. June 2014, 21:45: Message edited by: Zach82 ]
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orfeo
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Congratulations, lilBuddha. Personally I thought my record for unfairness, irrational irascibility and general intolerance could never be matched, but apparently you've done it.
The amount of angry yelling in bold and caps lock you have to do is worth it though, don't you think? Just for the mental image of Zach crying inconsolably over his cornflakes. I know that's what keeps me coming back to the Ship, day after day, the chance to be a bully to dear old Zach.
I know it wasn't me who got Karl to say those mean nasty things, so tell me: was it you? Bloody brilliant plan, that was!
Would you be interested in a job-share as Hellhost? I could do with the occasional break, to be honest. There's only so much nasty capriciousness in me before I need to take a break, recharge my batteries. I like to get some exercise in by heading down to the park and running off with the frisbees of the local kids. You can't spend ALL your time on the internet.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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No, Zach, I do not consider myself a saint for questioning anything, just a human being. And it's not passages where people feel anger with God that I question. It's passages where God apparently gives incredibly good reasons for being angry with him. Or just ignoring him.
This comes not from avoiding these sorts of emotions, as you bizarrely seem to think, but by thinking they through and, after decades, still being unable to reconcile them with the simple statement that "God is Love". Which is sort of foundational to the faith. Now, you may be able to reconcile "God is love" with "God kills babies", and if so more power to your elbow, but I'll not take your insults because I cannot do so, any more than I can see blue and tell myself it's yellow. It's a thing called honesty. And you know what's really, really ironic about you accusing me of avoiding emotions? Other people defending exactly the same sort of "monstrous God" theologies have accused me of "appeals to emotion". Which is it? Am I too swayed be emotion, or do I just avoid it?
Like you, I've seen death. And I've seen people's reactions to it. I've seen people moved to incandescent anger (and I don't blame them) by suggestions that it's "God's will". I've seen people destroyed by grief, so utterly destroyed that any suggestion that it's "God's will" similarly moves me to incandescent anger.
Because of emotion.
So I'm glad you wouldn't go around a mortuary spouting your "God kills babies" theology. But I ask you - what use is this theology if in the moments of crisis, when people might ask "where is God in this", your answer is by your own admission as much use as a cheese screwdriver? My position, such as it is, comes not from avoiding these deep theological questions, but agonising over them for decades. Which I still do.
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orfeo
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Oh, and Zach? Well done on seeing how determined I was not to give you a fair hearing. What gave it away? Was it when I said:
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I'd say your sense of outrage is pretty reasonable
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