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Sylvander
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Sorry, IngoB for mishap, I thought I had read Woelki's name higher up the thread. But it was Schoenborn. You can tell I am not a habitual gambler.
It'll be 20 on Woelki, then. And 5 on Sandri.
If someone else fancies Marx in Rome, I'll shift back 10 to him.
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IngoB
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Hmm, this is really hotting up. I'm moving my 11 from Pell to Rodríguez Maradiaga, and shift 5 from Ravasi to Erdő. Turkson and Ouellet are head to head now, and Scola overtakes Sandri. I have added little arrows to show changes in the ranking.
- Peter Cardinal Turkson → - odds: 44 - 7 (7.28), hedge: 4, leader: 26
- Marc Cardinal Ouellet → - odds: 32 - 5 (7.39), hedge: 4, leader: 11
- Angelo Cardinal Scola ↑ - odds: 23 - 3 (8.68), hedge: 4, leader: 16
- Leonardo Cardinal Sandri ↓ - odds: 49 - 6 (9.17), hedge: 3, leader: 17
- Christoph Cardinal Schönborn ↑ - odds: 35 - 3 (12.69), hedge: 3, leader: 26
- Norberto Rivera Cardinal Carrera → - odds: 99 - 8 (13.38), hedge: 2, leader: 26
- Baselios Cardinal Cleemis Thottunkal ↓ - odds: 41 - 2 (21.52), hedge: 2, leader: 10
- Óscar Andrés Cardinal Rodríguez Maradiaga ↑ - odds: 158 - 7 (23.57), hedge: 2, leader: 12
- Luis Antonio Cardinal Tagle ↑ - odds: 158 - 7 (23.57), hedge: 2, leader: 7
- Rainer Maria Cardinal Woelki ↑ - odds: 95 - 4 (24.75), hedge: 2, leader: 21
- Gianfranco Cardinal Ravasi → - odds: 253 - 9 (29.12), hedge: 1, leader: 7
- Odilo Pedro Cardinal Scherer ↓ - odds: 22 - 1 (33), hedge: 1, leader: 16
- Péter Cardinal Erdő → - odds: 161 - 4 (41.25), hedge: 1, leader: 7
- George Cardinal Pell ↓ - odds: 44 - 1 (45), hedge: 1, leader: 11
- George Cardinal Alencherry ↓ - odds: 97 - 2 (49.5), hedge: 1, leader: 10
- João Cardinal Braz de Aviz ↓ - odds: 163 - 2 (82.5), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Seán Patrick Cardinal O'Malley ↓ - odds: 163 - 2 (82.5), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Fr. Robert F. Prevost ↓ - odds: 163 - 2 (82.5), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Timothy Cardinal Dolan ↓ - odds: 98 - 1 (99), hedge: 1, leader: 6
Reminder: LeRoc and sebby, please correct your bets.
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I'm changing my vote because I've just read a bit more about Mariaga's sorry handling of the Fr Vasquez case. He seems a pretty sorry handler of abuse and if the Vatican cares about saving the church from being drowned by scandal they'll want someone a bit cleaner.
I'll put 12 on Schönborn since he's looking like the cleanest in this area. Tagle is as well, but as he's so young (and only been appointed a Cardinal in 2012) I don't think they'll go for him.
Mariaga remains with 5, and my other points stay where they are.
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Inanna
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I will remove 4 of my 5 from Dolan to Cardinal O'Malley please. Apparently he's been getting some good press in Rome. And I love the idea of a Capuchin pope.
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IngoB
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quote:
Originally posted by Inanna:
I will remove 4 of my 5 from Dolan to Cardinal O'Malley please. Apparently he's been getting some good press in Rome. And I love the idea of a Capuchin pope.
Inanna, sorry, but you cannot do that. Dolan is the papabile with whom you entered betting here, so you always have to leave at least 5 SoD on him. Your have two choices: you can either move more money from Sandri, or you can donate to the floating fund of the Ship (see OP) to get additional SoDs in hand for betting.
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EtymologicalEvangelical
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5 SoDs on Cardinal Barbarin
20 SoDs on Cardinal Tagle
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Fr Weber
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5 on Scola
5 on Sandri
5 on Ouellet
10 on Francis Cardinal Arinze
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TurquoiseTastic
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I'd like to move 5 from Turkson to Scherer please.
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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The date for the start of the conclave has been announced: Tuesday, 12th of March. As explained above, this means that on that day at noon GMT betting ends. After that time you can still place bets, but whether they will be accepted or not depends on whether I post between then and the election of the new pope. So get your betting in before then to be on the safe side. I'm personally not totally sure that we already have the future pope on our list, so I think newcomers still have every chance to win this... I'm also moving 6 SoD from Tagle to Dolan. Ouellet grabs the first place from Turkson.
- Marc Cardinal Ouellet ↑ odds: 46 - 7 (7.57), hedge: 4, leader: 11
- Peter Cardinal Turkson ↓ odds: 23 - 3 (8.65), hedge: 4, leader: 26
- Angelo Cardinal Scola → odds: 39 - 5 (8.79), hedge: 3, leader: 16
- Leonardo Cardinal Sandri → odds: 33 - 4 (9.24), hedge: 3, leader: 17
- Christoph Cardinal Schönborn → odds: 57 - 5 (12.39), hedge: 3, leader: 26
- Norberto Rivera Cardinal Carrera → odds: 44 - 4 (14.73), hedge: 2, leader: 26
- Luis Antonio Cardinal Tagle ↑ odds: 102 - 7 (15.57), hedge: 2, leader: 21
- Baselios Cardinal Cleemis Thottunkal ↓ odds: 68 - 3 (23.7), hedge: 2, leader: 10
- Odilo Pedro Cardinal Scherer ↑ - odds: 65 - 4 (27.25), hedge: 1, leader: 16
- Rainer Maria Cardinal Woelki → - odds: 65 - 4 (27.25), hedge: 1, leader: 21
- Gianfranco Cardinal Ravasi → odds: 31 - 1 (32.06), hedge: 1, leader: 7
- Óscar Andrés Cardinal Rodríguez Maradiaga ↓ odds: 33 - 1 (34.06), hedge: 1, leader: 12
- Péter Cardinal Erdő → odds: 222 - 5 (45.42), hedge: 1, leader: 7
- Timothy Cardinal Dolan ↑ odds: 437 - 9 (49.55), hedge: 1, leader: 7
- George Cardinal Pell ↓ odds: 437 - 9 (49.55), hedge: 1, leader: 11
- George Cardinal Alencherry ↓ odds: 107 - 2 (54.5), hedge: 1, leader: 10
- Francis Cardinal Arinze ↑ odds: 107 - 2 (54.5), hedge: 1, leader: 11
- João Cardinal Braz de Aviz ↓ odds: 539 - 6 (90.83), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Seán Patrick Cardinal O'Malley ↓ odds: 539 - 6 (90.83), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Fr. Robert F. Prevost ↓ odds: 539 - 6 (90.83), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Philippe Cardinal Barbarin ↑ odds: 108 - 1 (109), hedge: 1, leader: 6
Reminder: LeRoc, sebby and Inanna, please correct your bets.
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Doublethink.
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According to the BBC Turkson has openly talked about the possibility of becoming pope in the past, I think this substantially reduces his chances.
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Amazing Grace
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I've got a little list:
5 SoF Quatloos - Cardinal Ouellet
5 - Cardinal Carrera
5 - Cardinal O'Malley (my dark horse candidate, because I think he is awesome)
5 - Cardinal Turkson (I might change him later)
5 - Cardinal Scola
I hear that the Americans are a bit in the Vatican doghouse right now after *shock horror* having press briefings, but I've gotta put O'Malley in there.
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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Amazing Grace, as per the OP, you have to suggest a new papabile and put at least 5 SoD on him in order to enter the betting. All your proposed bets are on papabiles already in the list.
If I may offer some suggestions: Angelo Cardinal Bagnasco, Malcolm Cardinal Ranjith and Raymond Leo Cardinal Burke are some names that I would think are not entirely outlandish.
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RuthW
liberal "peace first" hankie squeezer
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A couple of changes, please. 5 to Scherer, 5 to Erdő, leaving 15 on Carrera.
[ 11. March 2013, 20:45: Message edited by: RuthW ]
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marzipan
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I nominate
Fernando Filoni. Italian but he's wandered about a fair bit so he's not an isolated out of touch guy. Plus anyone who's not scared of explosions should be good for the church...
So I'll put 10 moneys on him.
5 each on Marc Ouellet, Baselios Cleemis and Sean O'Malley as they have nice faces.
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Og: Thread Killer
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Saw one account of the probables and at least one of their list isn't on here - Bertone. Given he is the "inside" man, surprised he's not on here. Not that I want to put anything on him.
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Pancho
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I nominate:
Jorge Maria Cardinal Bergoglio of Buenos Aires.with 5 SoDs
I also put:
5 SoDs on Cardinal Rivera.
5 SoDs on Cardinal Turkelson.
5 SoDs on Ouellet.
5 SoDs on Arinze.
I might redistribute later if I have time.
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I nominate Bergoglio for the reasons IngoB and RuthW gave for Rivera: complete orthodoxy combined with concern for social justice. Plus, he's Latin America and I believe the Vatican's eyes are turning towards L.Am. starting with Pope Benedicts meetings with the bishops in Brazil, his visits to Cuba and Mexico last year, and now World Youth Day coming up. Plus he's the son of an Italian immigrant which gives him sympathy with the Italians, and he was in the running during the last conclave.
For Rivera: I think he's the dark horse in this race, for the same reasons given before, plus he was mentioned during the last conclave and again, I believe Latin America is going to get a lot of attention in the coming years. Plus, it would put the U.S. on notice on so many levels and make for an ironic twist on the old saying, "Poor Mexico: so far from God, so close to the United States".
p.s. I could be wrong but I believe it might be Norberto Cardinal Rivera Carrera, because Rivera is not a middle name but his paternal surname. For example, a man named Juan Antonio Jimenez Paredes would be addressed as Señor Jimenez.
Ouellet for all the reasons given before, especially for being the head of the Congregation of Bishops as I think the shaping up of bishops is going to continue to be a big task in the next pontificate. Plus, he's looking at you, U.S. and Canada.
Turkson for all the reasons given elsewhere. He's got youth and energy on his side.
Arinze because he's so formidable, he's African, he's no-nonsense. Despite his age he's got the energy and temperament to get things done.
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RuthW
liberal "peace first" hankie squeezer
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quote:
Originally posted by Pancho:
For Rivera: I think he's the dark horse in this race, for the same reasons given before, plus he was mentioned during the last conclave and again, I believe Latin America is going to get a lot of attention in the coming years. Plus, it would put the U.S. on notice on so many levels and make for an ironic twist on the old saying, "Poor Mexico: so far from God, so close to the United States".
I'd forgotten about that saying. It would be friggin' awesome if a Mexican were pope.
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p.s. I could be wrong but I believe it might be Norberto Cardinal Rivera Carrera, because Rivera is not a middle name but his paternal surname. For example, a man named Juan Antonio Jimenez Paredes would be addressed as Señor Jimenez.
I wonder -- are there any cardinals with just one name?
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Dogwalker
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I'd like to redistribute my bets on the eve of the Conclave.
5 on Cardinal O'Malley
5 on Cardinal Ouellet
5 on Cardinal Scola
5 on Cardinal Erdo
5 on Cardinal Rivera
Three from the new world, two from Europe, one Italian. And one who's probably a relative, since all of us French-Canadians are related to each other.
And IngoB, thanks for doing this.
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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I'm moving my 11 on Rodríguez Maradiaga to 6 on O'Malley and 5 on Scherer. Serious commentators are suggesting that a US pope now is a possibility (Dolan perhaps, but we should really have Burke on our list for his massive canon law cred, given that cleaning up the Curia and the rest of the Church will be a big item on the wish list of many). I also feel that Ranjith is in with a good shot, and hope that someone will put him on the list.
- Marc Cardinal Ouellet → odds: 27 - 4 (7.73), hedge: 4, leader: 11
- Peter Cardinal Turkson → odds: 31 - 4 (8.75), hedge: 3, leader: 26
- Leonardo Cardinal Sandri ↑ odds: 9 - 1 (10.08), hedge: 3, leader: 17
- Angelo Cardinal Scola ↓ odds: 85 - 9 (10.44), hedge: 3, leader: 16
- Christoph Cardinal Schönborn → odds: 25 - 2 (13.52), hedge: 2, leader: 26
- Norberto Cardinal Rivera Carrera → odds: 15 - 1 (16.08), hedge: 2, leader: 16
- Luis Antonio Cardinal Tagle → odds: 16 - 1 (17), hedge: 2, leader: 21
- Odilo Pedro Cardinal Scherer ↑ - odds: 113 - 6 (19.83), hedge: 2, leader: 16
- Baselios Cardinal Cleemis Thottunkal ↓ odds: 81 - 4 (21.25), hedge: 2, leader: 10
- Péter Cardinal Erdő ↑ odds: 26 - 1 (27.05), hedge: 1, leader: 7
- Rainer Maria Cardinal Woelki ↓ - odds: 75 - 4 (29.75), hedge: 1, leader: 21
- Seán Patrick Cardinal O'Malley ↑ odds: 34 - 1 (35), hedge: 1, leader: 7
- Gianfranco Cardinal Ravasi ↓ odds: 34 - 1 (35), hedge: 1, leader: 7
- Francis Cardinal Arinze ↑ odds: 116 - 3 (39.67), hedge: 1, leader: 11
- Timothy Cardinal Dolan ↓ odds: 53 - 1 (54.09), hedge: 1, leader: 7
- George Cardinal Pell ↓ odds: 53 - 1 (54.09), hedge: 1, leader: 11
- George Cardinal Alencherry ↓ odds: 117 - 2 (59.5), hedge: 1, leader: 10
- Fernando Cardinal Filoni ↑ odds: 117 - 2 (59.5), hedge: 1, leader: 11
- João Cardinal Braz de Aviz ↓ odds: 589 - 6 (99.17), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Fr. Robert F. Prevost → odds: 589 - 6 (99.17), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Philippe Cardinal Barbarin → odds: 118 - 1 (119), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Jorge Maria Cardinal Bergoglio ↑ odds: 118 - 1 (119), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Óscar Andrés Cardinal Rodríguez Maradiaga ↓ odds: 118 - 1 (119), hedge: 1, leader: 6
Reminder: LeRoc, sebby, Inanna and Amazing Grace, please correct your bets.
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PaulBC
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Marc Cardinal Ouellet 10
Sean Parick Cardinal O'Malley 10
Angelo Cardinal Scala 5 ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif) ![[Angel]](graemlins/angel.gif) ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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PaulBC and anybody else who now thinks of joining in:
You need to suggest a new papabile and put 5 SoD on him to enter the betting, see the OP.
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Leorning Cniht
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quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
I wonder -- are there any cardinals with just one name?
I suspect not - cardinals have to travel, and most of the world's bureaucracies aren't set up to deal with people with one name.
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Welease Woderwick
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Were I a gambling person I think I'd put my 25 on them electing another Catholic.
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Uncle Pete
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On that note, shouldn't the betting shop close as soon as the Cardinals go into conclave?
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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As explained in this previous post, betting is now officially closed.
However, as you can also read there, you can still post your bets and hope that I will accept them. I'm planning to do so on a semi-regular basis between now and the election of the pope.
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Inanna
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If you'll still take it, and since I have to keep my 5 on Dolan, I'll move 5 from Sandri to O'Malley in that case, another 2 from Sandri to Tagle giving me a total of 7 on him, and 3 from Sandri to Scola, just as a fallback.
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ButchCassidy
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If you still choose to take any, I'll put 5 on Scola, 5 on Schornborn, and 15 on Ranjith :-) because you've requested it and because his Wikipedia page makes him seem like a saint.
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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Black smoke, as expected... So I hereby take all the posts previous to this one into account. As mentioned, you can keep on posting bets and updates, but there's not guarantee that they will count any more. I've shifted some more, my bets are now: Braz de Aviz 6, Dolan 6, O'Malley 8, Ouellet 11, Ravasi 6, Sandri 8. Basically, I've moved money to North America, and put some extra on O'Malley (beyond grabbing lead) just because I like him best out of these...
- Marc Cardinal Ouellet → odds: 6 - 1 (7.05), hedge: 4, leader: 12
- Peter Cardinal Turkson → odds: 73 - 9 (9.12), hedge: 3, leader: 26
- Angelo Cardinal Scola ↑ odds: 17 - 2 (9.54), hedge: 3, leader: 16
- Christoph Cardinal Schönborn ↑ odds: 35 - 3 (12.65), hedge: 3, leader: 26
- Leonardo Cardinal Sandri ↓ odds: 113 - 8 (15.12), hedge: 3, leader: 17
- Norberto Cardinal Rivera Carrera → odds: 63 - 4 (16.76), hedge: 2, leader: 16
- Luis Antonio Cardinal Tagle → odds: 63 - 4 (16.76), hedge: 2, leader: 21
- Baselios Cardinal Cleemis Thottunkal ↑ odds: 148 - 7 (22.14), hedge: 2, leader: 10
- Odilo Pedro Cardinal Scherer ↓ - odds: 119 - 5 (24.8), hedge: 2, leader: 16
- Seán Patrick Cardinal O'Malley ↑ odds: 149 - 6 (25.83), hedge: 1, leader: 9
- Rainer Maria Cardinal Woelki → - odds: 30 - 1 (31), hedge: 1, leader: 21
- Gianfranco Cardinal Ravasi ↑ odds: 71 - 2 (36.47), hedge: 1, leader: 7
- Péter Cardinal Erdő ↓ odds: 151 - 4 (38.75), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Francis Cardinal Arinze → odds: 121 - 3 (41.33), hedge: 1, leader: 11
- Albert Malcolm Cardinal Ranjith ↑ odds: 121 - 3 (41.33), hedge: 1, leader: 16
- João Cardinal Braz de Aviz ↑ odds: 152 - 3 (51.67), hedge: 1, leader: 7
- Timothy Cardinal Dolan ↓ odds: 443 - 8 (55.36), hedge: 1, leader: 7
- George Cardinal Pell ↓ odds: 443 - 8 (55.36), hedge: 1, leader: 11
- George Cardinal Alencherry ↓ odds: 61 - 1 (62), hedge: 1, leader: 10
- Fernando Cardinal Filoni ↓ odds: 61 - 1 (62), hedge: 1, leader: 11
- Fr. Robert F. Prevost ↓ odds: 307 - 3 (103.33), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Philippe Cardinal Barbarin ↓ odds: 123 - 1 (124), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Jorge Maria Cardinal Bergoglio ↓ odds: 123 - 1 (124), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Óscar Andrés Cardinal Rodríguez Maradiaga ↓ odds: 123 - 1 (124), hedge: 1, leader: 6
LeRoc, sebby, Amazing Grace, and PaulBC, you can still try to correct your bets and hope they get in.
I think no pope yet tomorrow (Wednesday). What do you think?
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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As an aside, if you want to know in what quarters the Cardinals are sleeping in tonight, "The hermeneutic of continuity" blog has some pictures. And offers the information that there's neither TV nor alcoholic drink.
If it wasn't clear from the timing with Easter anyhow, this would convince me that the conclave will be over within a week. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Amazing Grace
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Ooops. Haven't been on in a couple of days. Is Bagnasco still available for nomination? He took on Berlesconi, which is worth something in my book.
I'd take 5 off Scola (to keep my ticket from being Team Italy vs. Team North America) and put 5 on him. All other bets remain the same.
I found out today that one of my co-workers was confirmed by now-Cardinal O'Malley!
I don't think we'll have an election Weds. either, but it might be as early as Thursday or Friday - IMO it will definitely be settled by NEXT Wednesday.
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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Amazing Grace's bet is in.
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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Black smoke on the morning of March the 13th.
If you want to be a second or two ahead of everybody else in knowing the next pope, you have a chance by listening to the first name when it is being announced: "Dominum [first name in accusative] Sanctae Romanæ Ecclesiae Cardinalem [surname]". But it will be in Latin, so here's a list of all Cardinal's first name in Latin and accusative. Quite interesting. For example, if you hear "Philippum" then it will be Philippe Barbarin. But if it is "Angelum", will it be Angelo Bagnasco or Angelo Scola (or with lesser likelihood Angelo Amato or Angelo Comastri)?
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I notice there is even one who thus would be announced as "Sanctum" - that must be a divine hint, surely!
But why is he an archpriest? Not a cardinal then?
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'Scuse my interruption as I'm not putting any virtual money down. But I'm cheering for Turkson — in tribute to a persistent troll on a previous faith board who combined RC supremacist ranting with grotesque racist outbursts. In the absence of effective forum administration, he managed to kill the community off and claim the declining inclination of people to argue with him as a victory for his (!) Catholicism. For all I know, he's still there, preaching to the viagra adverts.
A black Pope? Oh, yes please!
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IngoB
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White smoke! Betting obviously ends here and now. Taking into account the bet of Amazing Grace, we have now:
- Marc Cardinal Ouellet → odds: 6 - 1 (6.94), hedge: 4, leader: 12
- Peter Cardinal Turkson → odds: 47 - 6 (8.84), hedge: 3, leader: 26
- Angelo Cardinal Scola → odds: 9 - 1 (9.92), hedge: 3, leader: 16
- Christoph Cardinal Schönborn → odds: 73 - 6 (13.16), hedge: 2, leader: 26
- Norberto Cardinal Rivera Carrera ↑ odds: 43 - 3 (15.36), hedge: 2, leader: 16
- Leonardo Cardinal Sandri ↓ odds: 59 - 4 (15.73), hedge: 2, leader: 9
- Luis Antonio Cardinal Tagle → odds: 115 - 7 (17.43), hedge: 2, leader: 21
- Seán Patrick Cardinal O'Malley ↑ odds: 85 - 4 (22.24), hedge: 2, leader: 9
- Baselios Cardinal Cleemis Thottunkal ↓ odds: 22 - 1 (23.04), hedge: 2, leader: 10
- Odilo Pedro Cardinal Scherer ↓ - odds: 124 - 5 (25.8), hedge: 2, leader: 16
- Rainer Maria Cardinal Woelki → - odds: 125 - 4 (32.25), hedge: 1, leader: 21
- Gianfranco Cardinal Ravasi → odds: 37 - 1 (37.94), hedge: 1, leader: 7
- Péter Cardinal Erdő → odds: 118 - 3 (40.31), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Francis Cardinal Arinze → odds: 42 - 1 (43), hedge: 1, leader: 11
- Albert Malcolm Cardinal Ranjith → odds: 41 - 1 (43), hedge: 1, leader: 16
- João Cardinal Braz de Aviz → odds: 207 - 4 (53.75), hedge: 1, leader: 7
- Timothy Cardinal Dolan → odds: 461 - 8 (58.64), hedge: 1, leader: 7
- George Cardinal Pell → odds: 461 - 8 (58.64), hedge: 1, leader: 11
- George Cardinal Alencherry → odds: 127 - 2 (64.5), hedge: 1, leader: 10
- Fernando Cardinal Filoni → odds: 127 - 2 (64.5), hedge: 1, leader: 11
- Fr. Robert F. Prevost → odds: 213 - 2 (107.5), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Angelo Cardinal Bagnasco ↑ odds: 128 - 1 (129), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Philippe Cardinal Barbarin ↓ odds: 128 - 1 (129), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Jorge Maria Cardinal Bergoglio ↓ odds: 128 - 1 (129), hedge: 1, leader: 6
- Óscar Andrés Cardinal Rodríguez Maradiaga ↓ odds: 128 - 1 (129), hedge: 1, leader: 6
(Sylvander, Santos Abril y Castelló is the Titular Archbishop of Tamada, I'm guessing "archpriest" is simply a proper title for being in charge of the Basilica of St. Mary Major.)
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ButchCassidy
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I think the betting's over...watching the BBC webcam and its turned white!
Edit...aww beaten to it
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Hmm - 24th - we are shit at guessing.
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TurquoiseTastic
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Hey don't do us down Doublethink! At least we had him on the list!
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IngoB
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Congratulations to Pancho, the sole winner of this betting pool! Well done to make this remarkable prediction. FWIW, Pancho wins 645 SoD.
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Unless I'm mistaken, Pancho's avatar is St Francis of Assisi.
The new pope, whom only Pancho picked, (oops sounds like tongue-twister) has chosen the name Francis 1.
Hmm.....food for thought! Is Pancho channeling St Francis?
(Oh no. I swear I did not mean to do it. "Channeling" was a completely unconscious pun, even though the beautiful prayer of St Francis, "Make me a channel of thy peace" is so well known.)
Anyway, this bet of Pancho's certainly seems inspired!
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Kelly Alves
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I think Pancho's avatar is actually Junipero Serra, but he established Mission San Francisco.
[ETA: I think. Guys with that haircut are so hard to tell apart.]
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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I think Pancho's avatar is actually Junipero Serra, but he established Mission San Francisco.
[ETA: I think. Guys with that haircut are so hard to tell apart.]
Nope, it actually is St. Francis of Assisi.
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Kelly Alves
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Ah! OK!
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Pancho
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quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
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Originally posted by Pancho:
For Rivera: I think he's the dark horse in this race, for the same reasons given before, plus he was mentioned during the last conclave and again, I believe Latin America is going to get a lot of attention in the coming years. Plus, it would put the U.S. on notice on so many levels and make for an ironic twist on the old saying, "Poor Mexico: so far from God, so close to the United States".
I'd forgotten about that saying. It would be friggin' awesome if a Mexican were pope.
Oh, yeah. If that had happened it would have been........delicious.
It would've been awesome if it had been an African, too! But what's great about Pope Francis is that to many people it was so unexpected. People are still going "who, what, where, what now?". I get a kick out of that.
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I wonder -- are there any cardinals with just one name?
I don't know but have you seen Cardinal Schönborn's name?
Christoph Maria Michael Hugo Damian Peter Adalbert (Graf von) Schönborn, O.P.
The "O.P." at the end is because he is a Dominican (the Order of Preachers). It Stands for "Order of Preachers" in Latin (Ordo Praedicatorum).
At least he doesn't have a name like Spain's current Duchess of Alba:
María del Rosario Cayetana Paloma Alfonsa Victoria Eugenia Fernanda Teresa Francisca de Paula Lourdes Antonia Josefa Fausta Rita Castor Dorotea Santa Esperanza Fitz-James Stuart y de Silva Falcó y Gurtubay
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I think Pancho's avatar is actually Junipero Serra, but he established Mission San Francisco.
[ETA: I think. Guys with that haircut are so hard to tell apart.]
Nope, it actually is St. Francis of Assisi.
Ah! OK!
Yep. The screen-name and avatar are in honor of St. Francis of Assisi but Kelly, I like how you referenced the old Missions of California. The Franciscans, along with the Native Americans, were practically the founders of California. Plus, I like San Francisco (aka The City).
Also, there are several Franciscos/Francisisisis that have that a certain meaning in my life so now the "handle" is kind of a shout-out to them, too. It's sort of like that song from The Kids in the Hall, but it's about Franks.
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Originally posted by IngoB:
Congratulations to Pancho, the sole winner of this betting pool! Well done to make this remarkable prediction.
Yay!! Woo-Hoo!!! I won the interwebz!!! Now I can go get me some ice-cream!
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FWIW, Pancho wins 645 SoD.
Ooooooooh! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) I wonder what I'm gonna get with all that? *drums fingers together*
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we wailed, and you did not mourn.’"
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Jon in the Nati
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You can trade them all in for one Free Internet.
A winner is you.
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Lovejoy: All things are about Jesus, Homer. Except this.
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Kelly Alves
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quote:
Originally posted by Pancho:
The screen-name and avatar are in honor of St. Francis of Assisi but Kelly, I like how you referenced the old Missions of California. The Franciscans, along with the Native Americans, were practically the founders of California. Plus, I like San Francisco (aka The City).
Also, there are several Franciscos/Francisisisis that have that a certain meaning in my life so now the "handle" is kind of a shout-out to them, too. It's sort of like that song from The Kids in the Hall, but it's about Franks.
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
People in the Greater Bay Area often have Saint Francis statues in their yards, whether or not they are Catholic-- the affection for him is so huge. And I share a birthday with Padre Junipero. (I once visited his sarcophagus in Monterey on our birthday.)
Also there is a Franciscan in the story I am currently writing (maybe you can give me pointers!)
[ETA:Thanks for the earworm, by the way.
If I had a previous existence, I lived on Planet Nerdist.]
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Pancho
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Originally posted by Jon in the Nati:
You can trade them all in for one Free Internet.
Does it come in different colors?
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Also there is a Franciscan in the story I am currently writing (maybe you can give me pointers!)
Well, I'm surely no expert. I may even be useless. But I could try my best. I promise I wouldn't be like Bugs Bunny helping his nephew with American History.
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[ETA:Thanks for the earworm, by the way.]
Just wait 'till you work with a guy named Dave. Then you'll be hearing that chorus over and over...
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we wailed, and you did not mourn.’"
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Og: Thread Killer
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Try being a Dave.
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Pigwidgeon
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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
People in the Greater Bay Area often have Saint Francis statues in their yards, whether or not they are Catholic-- the affection for him is so huge.
Not just in the Bay Area -- I have one in my garden, and so does my Episcopal church.
Years ago the head of our local Humane Society had a regular column in the newspaper. One October he wrote about St. Francis, pet blessings, etc., and mentioned that he had a St. Francis statue in his yard. And that he (the writer, not the saint) was Jewish.
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Sylvander
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Originally posted by IngoB:
(Sylvander, Santos Abril y Castelló is the Titular Archbishop of Tamada, I'm guessing "archpriest" is simply a proper title for being in charge of the Basilica of St. Mary Major.)
Thanks for the explanation, IngoB.
I am impressed we got someone to predict the correct name and someone else to bet on the right candidate. What a testimony to the collective Ship's superior insight and wisdom! (And the individuals' who got it right, of course).
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