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Welease Woderwick

Sister Incubus Nightmare
# 10424

Posted

Were I a gambling person I think I'd put my 25 on them electing another Catholic.

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Uncle Pete

Loyaute me lie
# 10422

Posted

On that note, shouldn't the betting shop close as soon as the Cardinals go into conclave?

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IngoB

Sentire cum Ecclesia
# 8700

Posted

As explained in this previous post, betting is now officially closed.

However, as you can also read there, you can still post your bets and hope that I will accept them. I'm planning to do so on a semi-regular basis between now and the election of the pope.

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Inanna

Ship's redhead
# 538

Posted

If you'll still take it, and since I have to keep my 5 on Dolan, I'll move 5 from Sandri to O'Malley in that case, another 2 from Sandri to Tagle giving me a total of 7 on him, and 3 from Sandri to Scola, just as a fallback.

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ButchCassidy
Shipmate
# 11147

Posted

If you still choose to take any, I'll put 5 on Scola, 5 on Schornborn, and 15 on Ranjith :-) because you've requested it and because his Wikipedia page makes him seem like a saint.

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IngoB

Sentire cum Ecclesia
# 8700

Posted

Black smoke, as expected... So I hereby take all the posts previous to this one into account. As mentioned, you can keep on posting bets and updates, but there's not guarantee that they will count any more. I've shifted some more, my bets are now: Braz de Aviz 6, Dolan 6, O'Malley 8, Ouellet 11, Ravasi 6, Sandri 8. Basically, I've moved money to North America, and put some extra on O'Malley (beyond grabbing lead) just because I like him best out of these...

Marc Cardinal Ouellet → odds: 6 - 1 (7.05), hedge: 4, leader: 12
Peter Cardinal Turkson → odds: 73 - 9 (9.12), hedge: 3, leader: 26
Angelo Cardinal Scola ↑ odds: 17 - 2 (9.54), hedge: 3, leader: 16
Christoph Cardinal Schönborn ↑ odds: 35 - 3 (12.65), hedge: 3, leader: 26
Leonardo Cardinal Sandri ↓ odds: 113 - 8 (15.12), hedge: 3, leader: 17
Norberto Cardinal Rivera Carrera → odds: 63 - 4 (16.76), hedge: 2, leader: 16
Luis Antonio Cardinal Tagle → odds: 63 - 4 (16.76), hedge: 2, leader: 21
Baselios Cardinal Cleemis Thottunkal ↑ odds: 148 - 7 (22.14), hedge: 2, leader: 10
Odilo Pedro Cardinal Scherer ↓ - odds: 119 - 5 (24.8), hedge: 2, leader: 16
Seán Patrick Cardinal O'Malley ↑ odds: 149 - 6 (25.83), hedge: 1, leader: 9
Rainer Maria Cardinal Woelki → - odds: 30 - 1 (31), hedge: 1, leader: 21
Gianfranco Cardinal Ravasi ↑ odds: 71 - 2 (36.47), hedge: 1, leader: 7
Péter Cardinal Erdő ↓ odds: 151 - 4 (38.75), hedge: 1, leader: 6
Francis Cardinal Arinze → odds: 121 - 3 (41.33), hedge: 1, leader: 11
Albert Malcolm Cardinal Ranjith ↑ odds: 121 - 3 (41.33), hedge: 1, leader: 16
João Cardinal Braz de Aviz ↑ odds: 152 - 3 (51.67), hedge: 1, leader: 7
Timothy Cardinal Dolan ↓ odds: 443 - 8 (55.36), hedge: 1, leader: 7
George Cardinal Pell ↓ odds: 443 - 8 (55.36), hedge: 1, leader: 11
George Cardinal Alencherry ↓ odds: 61 - 1 (62), hedge: 1, leader: 10
Fernando Cardinal Filoni ↓ odds: 61 - 1 (62), hedge: 1, leader: 11
Fr. Robert F. Prevost ↓ odds: 307 - 3 (103.33), hedge: 1, leader: 6
Philippe Cardinal Barbarin ↓ odds: 123 - 1 (124), hedge: 1, leader: 6
Jorge Maria Cardinal Bergoglio ↓ odds: 123 - 1 (124), hedge: 1, leader: 6
Óscar Andrés Cardinal Rodríguez Maradiaga ↓ odds: 123 - 1 (124), hedge: 1, leader: 6

LeRoc, sebby, Amazing Grace, and PaulBC, you can still try to correct your bets and hope they get in.

I think no pope yet tomorrow (Wednesday). What do you think?

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IngoB

Sentire cum Ecclesia
# 8700

Posted

As an aside, if you want to know in what quarters the Cardinals are sleeping in tonight, "The hermeneutic of continuity" blog has some pictures. And offers the information that there's neither TV nor alcoholic drink.

If it wasn't clear from the timing with Easter anyhow, this would convince me that the conclave will be over within a week. [Biased]

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Amazing Grace

High Church Protestant
# 95

Posted

Ooops. Haven't been on in a couple of days. Is Bagnasco still available for nomination? He took on Berlesconi, which is worth something in my book.

I'd take 5 off Scola (to keep my ticket from being Team Italy vs. Team North America) and put 5 on him. All other bets remain the same.

I found out today that one of my co-workers was confirmed by now-Cardinal O'Malley!

I don't think we'll have an election Weds. either, but it might be as early as Thursday or Friday - IMO it will definitely be settled by NEXT Wednesday.

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IngoB

Sentire cum Ecclesia
# 8700

Posted

Amazing Grace's bet is in.

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IngoB

Sentire cum Ecclesia
# 8700

Posted

Black smoke on the morning of March the 13th.

If you want to be a second or two ahead of everybody else in knowing the next pope, you have a chance by listening to the first name when it is being announced: "Dominum [first name in accusative] Sanctae Romanæ Ecclesiae Cardinalem [surname]". But it will be in Latin, so here's a list of all Cardinal's first name in Latin and accusative. Quite interesting. For example, if you hear "Philippum" then it will be Philippe Barbarin. But if it is "Angelum", will it be Angelo Bagnasco or Angelo Scola (or with lesser likelihood Angelo Amato or Angelo Comastri)?

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Sylvander
Shipmate
# 12857

Posted

I notice there is even one who thus would be announced as "Sanctum" - that must be a divine hint, surely!
But why is he an archpriest? Not a cardinal then?

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kankucho
Shipmate
# 14318

Posted

'Scuse my interruption as I'm not putting any virtual money down. But I'm cheering for Turkson — in tribute to a persistent troll on a previous faith board who combined RC supremacist ranting with grotesque racist outbursts. In the absence of effective forum administration, he managed to kill the community off and claim the declining inclination of people to argue with him as a victory for his (!) Catholicism. For all I know, he's still there, preaching to the viagra adverts.

A black Pope? Oh, yes please!

[ 13. March 2013, 17:40: Message edited by: kankucho ]

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IngoB

Sentire cum Ecclesia
# 8700

Posted

White smoke! Betting obviously ends here and now. Taking into account the bet of Amazing Grace, we have now:

Marc Cardinal Ouellet → odds: 6 - 1 (6.94), hedge: 4, leader: 12
Peter Cardinal Turkson → odds: 47 - 6 (8.84), hedge: 3, leader: 26
Angelo Cardinal Scola → odds: 9 - 1 (9.92), hedge: 3, leader: 16
Christoph Cardinal Schönborn → odds: 73 - 6 (13.16), hedge: 2, leader: 26
Norberto Cardinal Rivera Carrera ↑ odds: 43 - 3 (15.36), hedge: 2, leader: 16
Leonardo Cardinal Sandri ↓ odds: 59 - 4 (15.73), hedge: 2, leader: 9
Luis Antonio Cardinal Tagle → odds: 115 - 7 (17.43), hedge: 2, leader: 21
Seán Patrick Cardinal O'Malley ↑ odds: 85 - 4 (22.24), hedge: 2, leader: 9
Baselios Cardinal Cleemis Thottunkal ↓ odds: 22 - 1 (23.04), hedge: 2, leader: 10
Odilo Pedro Cardinal Scherer ↓ - odds: 124 - 5 (25.8), hedge: 2, leader: 16
Rainer Maria Cardinal Woelki → - odds: 125 - 4 (32.25), hedge: 1, leader: 21
Gianfranco Cardinal Ravasi → odds: 37 - 1 (37.94), hedge: 1, leader: 7
Péter Cardinal Erdő → odds: 118 - 3 (40.31), hedge: 1, leader: 6
Francis Cardinal Arinze → odds: 42 - 1 (43), hedge: 1, leader: 11
Albert Malcolm Cardinal Ranjith → odds: 41 - 1 (43), hedge: 1, leader: 16
João Cardinal Braz de Aviz → odds: 207 - 4 (53.75), hedge: 1, leader: 7
Timothy Cardinal Dolan → odds: 461 - 8 (58.64), hedge: 1, leader: 7
George Cardinal Pell → odds: 461 - 8 (58.64), hedge: 1, leader: 11
George Cardinal Alencherry → odds: 127 - 2 (64.5), hedge: 1, leader: 10
Fernando Cardinal Filoni → odds: 127 - 2 (64.5), hedge: 1, leader: 11
Fr. Robert F. Prevost → odds: 213 - 2 (107.5), hedge: 1, leader: 6
Angelo Cardinal Bagnasco ↑ odds: 128 - 1 (129), hedge: 1, leader: 6
Philippe Cardinal Barbarin ↓ odds: 128 - 1 (129), hedge: 1, leader: 6
Jorge Maria Cardinal Bergoglio ↓ odds: 128 - 1 (129), hedge: 1, leader: 6
Óscar Andrés Cardinal Rodríguez Maradiaga ↓ odds: 128 - 1 (129), hedge: 1, leader: 6

(Sylvander, Santos Abril y Castelló is the Titular Archbishop of Tamada, I'm guessing "archpriest" is simply a proper title for being in charge of the Basilica of St. Mary Major.)

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ButchCassidy
Shipmate
# 11147

Posted

I think the betting's over...watching the BBC webcam and its turned white!

Edit...aww beaten to it

[ 13. March 2013, 18:09: Message edited by: ButchCassidy ]

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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
# 1984

Posted

Hmm - 24th - we are shit at guessing.

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TurquoiseTastic

Fish of a different color
# 8978

Posted

Hey don't do us down Doublethink! At least we had him on the list!

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IngoB

Sentire cum Ecclesia
# 8700

Posted

Congratulations to Pancho, the sole winner of this betting pool! Well done to make this remarkable prediction. FWIW, Pancho wins 645 SoD.

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Cara
Shipmate
# 16966

Posted

Unless I'm mistaken, Pancho's avatar is St Francis of Assisi.

The new pope, whom only Pancho picked, (oops sounds like tongue-twister) has chosen the name Francis 1.

Hmm.....food for thought! Is Pancho channeling St Francis?

(Oh no. I swear I did not mean to do it. "Channeling" was a completely unconscious pun, even though the beautiful prayer of St Francis, "Make me a channel of thy peace" is so well known.)

Anyway, this bet of Pancho's certainly seems inspired!

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Kelly Alves

Bunny with an axe
# 2522

Posted

I think Pancho's avatar is actually Junipero Serra, but he established Mission San Francisco.

[ETA: I think. Guys with that haircut are so hard to tell apart.]

[ 14. March 2013, 00:51: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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Pigwidgeon

Ship's Owl
# 10192

Posted

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I think Pancho's avatar is actually Junipero Serra, but he established Mission San Francisco.

[ETA: I think. Guys with that haircut are so hard to tell apart.]

Nope, it actually is St. Francis of Assisi.

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Kelly Alves

Bunny with an axe
# 2522

Posted

Ah! OK!

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Pancho
Shipmate
# 13533

Posted

quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:

quote:
Originally posted by Pancho:
For Rivera: I think he's the dark horse in this race, for the same reasons given before, plus he was mentioned during the last conclave and again, I believe Latin America is going to get a lot of attention in the coming years. Plus, it would put the U.S. on notice on so many levels and make for an ironic twist on the old saying, "Poor Mexico: so far from God, so close to the United States".
I'd forgotten about that saying. It would be friggin' awesome if a Mexican were pope.

Oh, yeah. If that had happened it would have been........delicious.

It would've been awesome if it had been an African, too! But what's great about Pope Francis is that to many people it was so unexpected. People are still going "who, what, where, what now?". I get a kick out of that.

quote:
I wonder -- are there any cardinals with just one name?

I don't know but have you seen Cardinal Schönborn's name?

Christoph Maria Michael Hugo Damian Peter Adalbert (Graf von) Schönborn, O.P.

The "O.P." at the end is because he is a Dominican (the Order of Preachers). It Stands for "Order of Preachers" in Latin (Ordo Praedicatorum).

At least he doesn't have a name like Spain's current Duchess of Alba:

María del Rosario Cayetana Paloma Alfonsa Victoria Eugenia Fernanda Teresa Francisca de Paula Lourdes Antonia Josefa Fausta Rita Castor Dorotea Santa Esperanza Fitz-James Stuart y de Silva Falcó y Gurtubay

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:

quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I think Pancho's avatar is actually Junipero Serra, but he established Mission San Francisco.

[ETA: I think. Guys with that haircut are so hard to tell apart.]
Nope, it actually is St. Francis of Assisi.
Ah! OK!

Yep. The screen-name and avatar are in honor of St. Francis of Assisi but Kelly, I like how you referenced the old Missions of California. The Franciscans, along with the Native Americans, were practically the founders of California. Plus, I like San Francisco (aka The City).

Also, there are several Franciscos/Francisisisis that have that a certain meaning in my life so now the "handle" is kind of a shout-out to them, too. It's sort of like that song from The Kids in the Hall, but it's about Franks.

quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:
Congratulations to Pancho, the sole winner of this betting pool! Well done to make this remarkable prediction.

Yay!! Woo-Hoo!!! I won the interwebz!!! Now I can go get me some ice-cream!

quote:
FWIW, Pancho wins 645 SoD.

Ooooooooh! [Eek!]

I wonder what I'm gonna get with all that? *drums fingers together*

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Jon in the Nati
Shipmate
# 15849

Posted

You can trade them all in for one Free Internet.

A winner is you.

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Kelly Alves

Bunny with an axe
# 2522

Posted

quote:
Originally posted by Pancho:
The screen-name and avatar are in honor of St. Francis of Assisi but Kelly, I like how you referenced the old Missions of California. The Franciscans, along with the Native Americans, were practically the founders of California. Plus, I like San Francisco (aka The City).

Also, there are several Franciscos/Francisisisis that have that a certain meaning in my life so now the "handle" is kind of a shout-out to them, too. It's sort of like that song from The Kids in the Hall, but it's about Franks.

People in the Greater Bay Area often have Saint Francis statues in their yards, whether or not they are Catholic-- the affection for him is so huge. And I share a birthday with Padre Junipero. (I once visited his sarcophagus in Monterey on our birthday.)

Also there is a Franciscan in the story I am currently writing (maybe you can give me pointers!)

[ETA:Thanks for the earworm, by the way.
If I had a previous existence, I lived on Planet Nerdist.]

[ 14. March 2013, 06:11: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.

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Pancho
Shipmate
# 13533

Posted

quote:
Originally posted by Jon in the Nati:
You can trade them all in for one Free Internet.

Does it come in different colors?

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:

Also there is a Franciscan in the story I am currently writing (maybe you can give me pointers!)

Well, I'm surely no expert. I may even be useless. But I could try my best. I promise I wouldn't be like Bugs Bunny helping his nephew with American History.

quote:
[ETA:Thanks for the earworm, by the way.]

Just wait 'till you work with a guy named Dave. Then you'll be hearing that chorus over and over...

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Og: Thread Killer
Ship's token CN Mennonite
# 3200

Posted

Try being a Dave.

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Pigwidgeon

Ship's Owl
# 10192

Posted

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
People in the Greater Bay Area often have Saint Francis statues in their yards, whether or not they are Catholic-- the affection for him is so huge.

Not just in the Bay Area -- I have one in my garden, and so does my Episcopal church.

Years ago the head of our local Humane Society had a regular column in the newspaper. One October he wrote about St. Francis, pet blessings, etc., and mentioned that he had a St. Francis statue in his yard. And that he (the writer, not the saint) was Jewish.

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Sylvander
Shipmate
# 12857

Posted

quote:
Originally posted by IngoB:

(Sylvander, Santos Abril y Castelló is the Titular Archbishop of Tamada, I'm guessing "archpriest" is simply a proper title for being in charge of the Basilica of St. Mary Major.)

Thanks for the explanation, IngoB.

I am impressed we got someone to predict the correct name and someone else to bet on the right candidate. What a testimony to the collective Ship's superior insight and wisdom! (And the individuals' who got it right, of course).

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