|
Source: (consider it)
|
Thread: No, Mark Betts, I am not going to leave it
|
Evensong
Shipmate
# 14696
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by leo:
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
Tho I still think Pyxe and leo would look great in mini skirts.
WTF?!
I would. He wouldn't.
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
--------------------
a theological scrapbook
Posts: 9481 | From: Australia | Registered: Apr 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
Evensong
Shipmate
# 14696
|
Posted
I'm starting to feel dangerous pangs of sympathy and pity for Mark Betts.
(Must.Not.Stand.Up.For.The.Underdog.) (Must.Not.Stand.Up.For.The.Underdog.) (Must.Not.Stand.Up.For.The.Underdog.)
--------------------
a theological scrapbook
Posts: 9481 | From: Australia | Registered: Apr 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
Haydee
Shipmate
# 14734
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by leo:
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
Tho I still think Pyxe and leo would look great in mini skirts.
WTF?!
I would. He wouldn't.
But you must admit he looked stunning in the My Little Pony outfit the other day...
Posts: 433 | Registered: Apr 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
orfeo
Ship's Musical Counterpoint
# 13878
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
I'm starting to feel dangerous pangs of sympathy and pity for Mark Betts.
(Must.Not.Stand.Up.For.The.Underdog.) (Must.Not.Stand.Up.For.The.Underdog.) (Must.Not.Stand.Up.For.The.Underdog.)
I refuse to use the term "underdog" for someone who is not in a weak position through the random vicissitudes of life, but through their own rank stupidity.
--------------------
Technology has brought us all closer together. Turns out a lot of the people you meet as a result are complete idiots.
Posts: 18173 | From: Under | Registered: Jul 2008
| IP: Logged
|
|
orfeo
Ship's Musical Counterpoint
# 13878
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Amazing Grace:
It's not just a "right wing" thing ... I know someone who will tell anyone who will listen that she was not ordained a deacon because she was a lesbian, when the actual truth is that she never got put forward for ordination (and lots of other gay folks did) is that she is really, really unpleasant. She tried several parishes, all with the same result. But she so wants to believe this alternate version. It's a romantic story of suffering and lets her off the hook in her own mind.
Aargh. As a gay man this thinking drives me completely NUTS. Persecution of gays and lesbians exists. Therefore, anything bad/negative must be because I'm gay/lesbian. As if there's nothing else that might be relevant.
Christians do the same thing of course. Every single bit of negativity that comes their way is a spot of blessed persecution. Never mind that 1 Peter blows that idea out of the water.
--------------------
Technology has brought us all closer together. Turns out a lot of the people you meet as a result are complete idiots.
Posts: 18173 | From: Under | Registered: Jul 2008
| IP: Logged
|
|
QLib
Bad Example
# 43
|
Posted
Some cake to go with that cake you're having, Evensong?
--------------------
Tradition is the handing down of the flame, not the worship of the ashes Gustav Mahler.
Posts: 8913 | From: Page 28 | Registered: May 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Evensong
Shipmate
# 14696
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
I'm starting to feel dangerous pangs of sympathy and pity for Mark Betts.
(Must.Not.Stand.Up.For.The.Underdog.) (Must.Not.Stand.Up.For.The.Underdog.) (Must.Not.Stand.Up.For.The.Underdog.)
I refuse to use the term "underdog" for someone who is not in a weak position through the random vicissitudes of life, but through their own rank stupidity.
Isn't Stupidity™ labelled as some kind of genetic disorder these days that entitles people to special allowances at work, government benefits and other such sundry things?
Poor Mark Betts. He's just the product of his genes.
It's not his responsibility he's so stupid.
He needs to be protected from those that might take advantage of his disability and treat him with harsh words.
--------------------
a theological scrapbook
Posts: 9481 | From: Australia | Registered: Apr 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
orfeo
Ship's Musical Counterpoint
# 13878
|
Posted
Stop fasting Evensong. The lack of food is clearly impairing your mental faculties.
--------------------
Technology has brought us all closer together. Turns out a lot of the people you meet as a result are complete idiots.
Posts: 18173 | From: Under | Registered: Jul 2008
| IP: Logged
|
|
QLib
Bad Example
# 43
|
Posted
Wonderful set of cross-posts there. My comment should come after Evensong's last. And orfeo and I need to sort out the dietary advice.
--------------------
Tradition is the handing down of the flame, not the worship of the ashes Gustav Mahler.
Posts: 8913 | From: Page 28 | Registered: May 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Haydee
Shipmate
# 14734
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
I'm starting to feel dangerous pangs of sympathy and pity for Mark Betts.
(Must.Not.Stand.Up.For.The.Underdog.) (Must.Not.Stand.Up.For.The.Underdog.) (Must.Not.Stand.Up.For.The.Underdog.)
I refuse to use the term "underdog" for someone who is not in a weak position through the random vicissitudes of life, but through their own rank stupidity.
Isn't Stupidity™ labelled as some kind of genetic disorder these days that entitles people to special allowances at work, government benefits and other such sundry things?
Poor Mark Betts. He's just the product of his genes.
It's not his responsibility he's so stupid.
He needs to be protected from those that might take advantage of his disability and treat him with harsh words.
You mean a sheltered posting scheme? Part of the Big Society?
Now there's an idea. A bad one, but an idea...
Posts: 433 | Registered: Apr 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
Evensong
Shipmate
# 14696
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
I refuse to use the term "underdog" for someone who is not in a weak position through the random vicissitudes of life, but through their own rank stupidity.
All quips aside, I firmly believe all underdogs should be stood up for - regardless of their deserving that status or not.
I base this on two things:
1) Jesus was the undeserving underdog in the lead up to his crucifixion.
2) God still loves those that deserve underdog status. That notion must be met with solidarity.
(e.g) I abhor pedophiles. They are far from the truth and totally undeserving of God's love. They fuck lives up mightily.
Yet I was much struck by a conversation I had recently. The gist of it was that someone should be with that pedophile in jail. Someone must stand with them in trial.
Not to say they are right.
But to say God still loves them, and hopes that one day, and in some way, with some help from another loving human being - they may be redeemed.
--------------------
a theological scrapbook
Posts: 9481 | From: Australia | Registered: Apr 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
orfeo
Ship's Musical Counterpoint
# 13878
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
I refuse to use the term "underdog" for someone who is not in a weak position through the random vicissitudes of life, but through their own rank stupidity.
All quips aside, I firmly believe all underdogs should be stood up for - regardless of their deserving that status or not.
And I am firmly of the belief that the use of the term 'underdog', just because lots of people disagree with Mark Betts and think he's a fool, is a total and utter misuse of the word.
Otherwise the following people are underdogs:
The Phelps clan
Anders Breivik
Flat Earthers
Kevin Federline's music career
--------------------
Technology has brought us all closer together. Turns out a lot of the people you meet as a result are complete idiots.
Posts: 18173 | From: Under | Registered: Jul 2008
| IP: Logged
|
|
Niteowl
Hopeless Insomniac
# 15841
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
I refuse to use the term "underdog" for someone who is not in a weak position through the random vicissitudes of life, but through their own rank stupidity.
All quips aside, I firmly believe all underdogs should be stood up for - regardless of their deserving that status or not.
I base this on two things:
1) Jesus was the undeserving underdog in the lead up to his crucifixion.
2) God still loves those that deserve underdog status. That notion must be met with solidarity.
(e.g) I abhor pedophiles. They are far from the truth and totally undeserving of God's love. They fuck lives up mightily.
Yet I was much struck by a conversation I had recently. The gist of it was that someone should be with that pedophile in jail. Someone must stand with them in trial.
Not to say they are right.
But to say God still loves them, and hopes that one day, and in some way, with some help from another loving human being - they may be redeemed.
But that by no means we have to put up with the behavior/sin when their position of underdog is self inflicted. Many shipmates have gone out of their way to try and assist Mark in getting along on the ship and trying to assist in his understanding of ship culture - only to be ignored or met with snide comments. He has made himself a martyr. As I said before, this saddens me because I've seen him contribute in a positive way on some threads, but there have been many of late where he's a total jerk. It's not his opinion, it's his behavior.
--------------------
"love all, trust few, do wrong to no one"
Wm. Shakespeare
Posts: 2437 | From: U.S. | Registered: Aug 2010
| IP: Logged
|
|
Niteowl
Hopeless Insomniac
# 15841
|
Posted
Insomniac brain tonight: missed the edit window in the last post and the first sentence should be: But we by no means have to put up with...
--------------------
"love all, trust few, do wrong to no one"
Wm. Shakespeare
Posts: 2437 | From: U.S. | Registered: Aug 2010
| IP: Logged
|
|
Welease Woderwick
Sister Incubus Nightmare
# 10424
|
Posted
Evensong, I'm with orfeo, I think, on the underdog thing - Mark Betts has chosen to behave the way he has despite lots of input from folks to try to help him. There may come a point when tough love has to step in and we have to assure him of our love but not tolerate his behaviour.
I hope, I sincerely hope, he will stick with the Ship as I think he has much to offer but unless he wants to end up with a Hell call a week until the Admins reach the end of their collective tethers he is going to have to modify his combative posting style.
--------------------
I give thanks for unknown blessings already on their way.
Fancy a break in South India?
Accessible Homestay Guesthouse in Central Kerala, contact me for details
What part of Matt. 7:1 don't you understand?
Posts: 48139 | From: 1st on the right, straight on 'til morning | Registered: Sep 2005
| IP: Logged
|
|
Anselmina
Ship's barmaid
# 3032
|
Posted
An underdog is a 'little guy' with few resources, and possibly not much talent or much hope for their cause, battling against the 'big guy' with power, resources, ability etc.
Eddie the Eagle was an under-dog, Tim Henman was an underdog. The Wyre Forest doctor over ten years ago, who became (was it?) an MP, on an independent ticket was an underdog, who actually proved he represented the underdogness of the ordinary person. Prisoners of conscience are underdogs. The Pakistani child being arrested for blasphemy is an underdog.
Mark Betts is not an underdog. He's someone with reasonable access and freedom to express valid personal views on a controversial issue, but who expresses himself, currently at least, badly and ungraciously.
Not always, though. I think he'll be a fine poster once he's found his feet here. But he's not an underdog. IMO, he's every bit as capable of stepping up to the plate as anyone else posting here. The crux is, does he want to choose to do that? I hope he stays around long enough for us to find out, in a positive way.
Posts: 10002 | From: Scotland the Brave | Registered: Jul 2002
| IP: Logged
|
|
Evensong
Shipmate
# 14696
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
And I am firmly of the belief that the use of the term 'underdog', just because lots of people disagree with Mark Betts and think he's a fool, is a total and utter misuse of the word.
Otherwise the following people are underdogs:
The Phelps clan
Anders Breivik
Flat Earthers
Kevin Federline's music career
In my opinion, anyone that is on the receiving end of "mob mentality" or is in a minority position (for any reason) is an underdog.
--------------------
a theological scrapbook
Posts: 9481 | From: Australia | Registered: Apr 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
Niteowl
Hopeless Insomniac
# 15841
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
And I am firmly of the belief that the use of the term 'underdog', just because lots of people disagree with Mark Betts and think he's a fool, is a total and utter misuse of the word.
Otherwise the following people are underdogs:
The Phelps clan
Anders Breivik
Flat Earthers
Kevin Federline's music career
In my opinion, anyone that is on the receiving end of "mob mentality" or is in a minority position (for any reason) is an underdog.
In that event Mark doesn't qualify. The vast majority of old timers have tried to help Mark, not harm him. And he has been offered correction for behavior that is destructive in a social setting.
--------------------
"love all, trust few, do wrong to no one"
Wm. Shakespeare
Posts: 2437 | From: U.S. | Registered: Aug 2010
| IP: Logged
|
|
orfeo
Ship's Musical Counterpoint
# 13878
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
In my opinion, anyone that is on the receiving end of "mob mentality" or is in a minority position (for any reason) is an underdog.
In my opinion you need a dictionary. Especially for the second part of that.
--------------------
Technology has brought us all closer together. Turns out a lot of the people you meet as a result are complete idiots.
Posts: 18173 | From: Under | Registered: Jul 2008
| IP: Logged
|
|
Evensong
Shipmate
# 14696
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Niteowl:
In that event Mark doesn't qualify. The vast majority of old timers have tried to help Mark, not harm him. And he has been offered correction for behavior that is destructive in a social setting.
That sounds nice.
And the rest of the slagging off on this thread counts as.....?
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
In my opinion, anyone that is on the receiving end of "mob mentality" or is in a minority position (for any reason) is an underdog.
In my opinion you need a dictionary. Especially for the second part of that.
quote:
Definition of underdog from the Oxford Dictionary:
noun
a competitor thought to have little chance of winning a fight or contest
a person who has little status in society:
Or:
un·der·dog (ndr-dôg, -dg)
n.
1. One that is expected to lose a contest or struggle, as in sports or politics.
2. One that is at a disadvantage.
underdog [ˈʌndəˌdɒg]
n
1. the competitor least likely to win a fight or contest
2. a person in adversity or in a position of inferiority
Agrees with me I think.
--------------------
a theological scrapbook
Posts: 9481 | From: Australia | Registered: Apr 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
# 953
|
Posted
Likely to lose what? The Ship isn't a sporting event or a war.
--------------------
This is the last sig I'll ever write for you...
Posts: 63536 | From: Washington | Registered: Jul 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
|
|
Sioni Sais
Shipmate
# 5713
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
And I am firmly of the belief that the use of the term 'underdog', just because lots of people disagree with Mark Betts and think he's a fool, is a total and utter misuse of the word.
Otherwise the following people are underdogs:
The Phelps clan
Anders Breivik
Flat Earthers
Kevin Federline's music career
In my opinion, anyone that is on the receiving end of "mob mentality" or is in a minority position (for any reason) is an underdog.
In my opinion all of the above have put themselves in whatever position they are in. All we can do is take their spade away and implore them to stop digging further. Mark Betts is now in the same position and it is his obstinacy, not a lack of charity in others, that prevents an improvement to his situation.
A true underdog is in a lowly position through no choice of their own and often despite their best efforts. I don't think Mark Betts is one of those.
--------------------
"He isn't Doctor Who, he's The Doctor"
(Paul Sinha, BBC)
Posts: 24276 | From: Newport, Wales | Registered: Apr 2004
| IP: Logged
|
|
orfeo
Ship's Musical Counterpoint
# 13878
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
A debate. Or even a conversation. Or popular opinion. DUH.
Yeah, but WHY likely to lose?
If Roger Federer starts playing with his right hand tied behind his back and an eyepatch to totally ruin his depth perception, that does NOT make him an underdog. It makes him someone totally failing to use the resources actually available to him.
This is pretty much what several of us have been trying to convey to you. An underdog is someone who is at a disadvantage through circumstance. Not someone who is incompetent.
--------------------
Technology has brought us all closer together. Turns out a lot of the people you meet as a result are complete idiots.
Posts: 18173 | From: Under | Registered: Jul 2008
| IP: Logged
|
|
mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
# 953
|
Posted
The person likely to win a debate is the person with the best arguments and evidence. Has nothing to do with being ganged up on or not.
--------------------
This is the last sig I'll ever write for you...
Posts: 63536 | From: Washington | Registered: Jul 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
QLib
Bad Example
# 43
|
Posted
Besides, Evensong, to be on the side of a persecuted minority is one thing, and always to support the losing side in a debate is another. By that logic, if you ever found yourself winning an argument, you'd promptly have to turn round and start arguing the other way.
Meanwhile, over in Purg, your underdog is arguing that six months in jail is a reasonable sanction for protesting briefly in a church. You want to join him in that? You take the wheel, Bettsy can pass you the butterfly.
[ 28. August 2012, 14:20: Message edited by: QLib ]
--------------------
Tradition is the handing down of the flame, not the worship of the ashes Gustav Mahler.
Posts: 8913 | From: Page 28 | Registered: May 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Niteowl
Hopeless Insomniac
# 15841
|
Posted
At this point I'm wishing Mark would seriously engage in debate. Aside from one post of his that did get answered back in detail, he's down to one liners that either accuse me of exaggerating without explaining how or where or simply his view is better without back up or one liners that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. I want to engage with him, but he doesn't seem to know how to deal with people who disagree with him. Perhaps it's a learning curve in being with people who have varying opinions as it's quite rare in this era of hanging with and seeing only churches/people/media that agree with your opinions and world view.
--------------------
"love all, trust few, do wrong to no one"
Wm. Shakespeare
Posts: 2437 | From: U.S. | Registered: Aug 2010
| IP: Logged
|
|
goperryrevs
Shipmtae
# 13504
|
Posted
I think you've done astoundingly, Niteowl. You have more patience than me.
--------------------
"Keep your eye on the donut, not on the hole." - David Lynch
Posts: 2098 | From: Midlands | Registered: Mar 2008
| IP: Logged
|
|
Anselmina
Ship's barmaid
# 3032
|
Posted
There really is no point saying anything to Evensong, is there? Both on this and the Fasting thread it seems absolutely impossible to make even the simplest communication to her without it being undermined, insulted, dismissed, perverted and misconstrued. Whether deliberately or not, only Evensong knows.
I never thought this would happen - 'cos basically I'm an optimist - but I think my 'giving the benefit of the doubt' has just hit rock bottom.
It's tempting to think Mark Betts and Evensong are one of a kind; but actually I think Evensong really does think the Ship is a kind of toy, and it doesn't matter if she treats the other posters as cardboard cut-outs in her private puppet-show. Whereas I don't think Mark is like that.
Posts: 10002 | From: Scotland the Brave | Registered: Jul 2002
| IP: Logged
|
|
mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
# 953
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by QLib:
Besides, Evensong, to be on the side of a persecuted minority is one thing, and always to support the losing side in a debate is another. By that logic, if you ever found yourself winning an argument, you'd promptly have to turn round and start arguing the other way.
You could say that people incapable of arguing and supporting their position are perennial underdogs on the Ship of Fools. Small wonder Eversmug feels affinity with them.
--------------------
This is the last sig I'll ever write for you...
Posts: 63536 | From: Washington | Registered: Jul 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
QLib
Bad Example
# 43
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Anselmina:
There really is no point saying anything to Evensong, is there? Both on this and the Fasting thread it seems absolutely impossible to make even the simplest communication to her without it being undermined, insulted, dismissed, perverted and misconstrued. Whether deliberately or not, only Evensong knows. ...
actually I think Evensong really does think the Ship is a kind of toy, and it doesn't matter if she treats the other posters as cardboard cut-outs in her private puppet-show.
I think that's it - most of the time Evensong is having fun, and trying to be amusing (very trying, ha,ha). Except sometimes she is in earnest and we're supposed to be able to tell which is which. Tricky, because in either mode she can't resist cheap point scoring even when it detracts or distracts from the main argument.
--------------------
Tradition is the handing down of the flame, not the worship of the ashes Gustav Mahler.
Posts: 8913 | From: Page 28 | Registered: May 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
# 953
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Anselmina:
There really is no point saying anything to Evensong, is there? Both on this and the Fasting thread it seems absolutely impossible to make even the simplest communication to her without it being undermined, insulted, dismissed, perverted and misconstrued. Whether deliberately or not, only Evensong knows. ...
actually I think Evensong really does think the Ship is a kind of toy, and it doesn't matter if she treats the other posters as cardboard cut-outs in her private puppet-show.
This.
--------------------
This is the last sig I'll ever write for you...
Posts: 63536 | From: Washington | Registered: Jul 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Organ Builder
Shipmate
# 12478
|
Posted
After the whole "underdog" schtick, I'm waiting for Evensong to break out in song--perhaps the Co-dependent's National Anthem, "As Long As He Needs Me".
She can play Nancy to MB's Bill Sykes if she wishes, but as I recall that didn't end particularly well.
--------------------
How desperately difficult it is to be honest with oneself. It is much easier to be honest with other people.--E.F. Benson
Posts: 3337 | From: ...somewhere in between 40 and death... | Registered: Mar 2007
| IP: Logged
|
|
Sioni Sais
Shipmate
# 5713
|
Posted
I reckon Evensong is more like Bill Sikes evil bull terrier, Bull's Eye. Bull's Eye and Nancy were both underdogs, but one feels sympathy for Nancy.
--------------------
"He isn't Doctor Who, he's The Doctor"
(Paul Sinha, BBC)
Posts: 24276 | From: Newport, Wales | Registered: Apr 2004
| IP: Logged
|
|
Organ Builder
Shipmate
# 12478
|
Posted
"Hell: The Musical"
Someone get Sir Andrew on the phone quickly!
--------------------
How desperately difficult it is to be honest with oneself. It is much easier to be honest with other people.--E.F. Benson
Posts: 3337 | From: ...somewhere in between 40 and death... | Registered: Mar 2007
| IP: Logged
|
|
Louise
Shipmate
# 30
|
Posted
The 'underdog shtick' is Evensong's made-up rationalisation for trolling hell threads. Her 'underdogs' are actually 'overdogs' who go around marking their territory by crapping over everyone else on multiple threads on the rest of the ship. When people get fed up with all the crap and speak up about it, Evensong's always there to support the crapper over the crapped upon having any right of reply. The underdog stuff is just her way of rationalising her own anti-social behaviour and her relish at seeing other people having their enjoyment spoilt by anti-social posters.
Of course it's a game to her, she doesn't actually care about other people having their discussions and questions spoilt by Betts and his antics, so longs as she gets to feed off them and antagonise others and preen herself in Hell.
It would nice if she could just be honest about the enjoyment and kicks she gets from antagonising other people.
--------------------
Now you need never click a Daily Mail link again! Kittenblock replaces Mail links with calming pics of tea and kittens! http://www.teaandkittens.co.uk/ Click under 'other stuff' to find it.
Posts: 6918 | From: Scotland | Registered: May 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
# 953
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Louise:
The 'underdog shtick' is Evensong's made-up rationalisation for trolling hell threads. Her 'underdogs' are actually 'overdogs' who go around marking their territory by crapping over everyone else on multiple threads on the rest of the ship. When people get fed up with all the crap and speak up about it, Evensong's always there to support the crapper over the crapped upon having any right of reply. The underdog stuff is just her way of rationalising her own anti-social behaviour and her relish at seeing other people having their enjoyment spoilt by anti-social posters.
Of course it's a game to her, she doesn't actually care about other people having their discussions and questions spoilt by Betts and his antics, so longs as she gets to feed off them and antagonise others and preen herself in Hell.
It would nice if she could just be honest about the enjoyment and kicks she gets from antagonising other people.
God save her future parishioners.
--------------------
This is the last sig I'll ever write for you...
Posts: 63536 | From: Washington | Registered: Jul 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Loquacious beachcomber
Shipmate
# 8783
|
Posted
This is some serious hostility on display here.
A difference of opinion, I can understand, but this seems almost white-hot. And from some pretty decent people, at that.
--------------------
TODAY'S SPECIAL - AND SO ARE YOU (Sign on beachfront fish & chips shop)
Posts: 5954 | From: Southeast of Wawa, between the beach and the hiking trail.. | Registered: Nov 2004
| IP: Logged
|
|
Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
# 2522
|
Posted
Hold on to your hats, whatever your name currently is, Moondoggie or whatever, because I agree with you. Kinda.
I don't think the underdog thing is a schtick, I think it's self-fulfilled prophecy. because I have seen times when ES can be incredibly cool, funny, charming, and caring (Y'all, she is one of a handful of people who makes a point of welcoming newbies on the newbie thread. Go check yourself, her name pops up again and again.)
But it's almost like "underdog" is safer. Sorry Evensong, I realize it's hugely pompous for me to attempt analysis this way, but I do get really frustrated at how often you seem to sabotage the cool person you can be. it does look willful and it does look like you're getting off on irritating people, but I think ending with that assessment is too easy. It's not the whole story.
--------------------
I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
Posts: 35076 | From: Pura Californiana | Registered: Mar 2002
| IP: Logged
|
|
Lyda*Rose
Ship's broken porthole
# 4544
|
Posted
Louise: quote:
It would nice if she could just be honest about the enjoyment and kicks she gets from antagonising other people.
That would mean admitting to deliberate trolling, a ban-able offence. I don't think that is going to happen even if you are right about her.
--------------------
"Dear God, whose name I do not know - thank you for my life. I forgot how BIG... thank you. Thank you for my life." ~from Joe Vs the Volcano
Posts: 21377 | From: CA | Registered: May 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
Anselmina
Ship's barmaid
# 3032
|
Posted
Well, I can only speak for myself, LB. And I feel mostly extreme frustration and disappointment. I can't say I feel anything much stronger, like hatred, as I don't think I've had enough of a glimpse of what Evensong is genuinelly like to judge whether or not I'd like her! Though I'm not an admirer of her posting style!
I reckon Evensong's just not understood the Ship sufficiently to respect her fellow posters enough not to drive them doo-lally. I don't think it means she's necessarily a doofus, or doesn't have a future in ministry. It's tempting to judge any poster on their appearance on the boards! But I daresay it's not the full story.
But personally I've pretty much run out of patience with trying to make what I hope were reasonable points with Evensong, and getting dumb responses - and seeing it happen to loads of other much more capable posters; so it's probably just as well to shake the dust of my shoes, so to speak. Again, just my opinion.
Posts: 10002 | From: Scotland the Brave | Registered: Jul 2002
| IP: Logged
|
|
Moo
Ship's tough old bird
# 107
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong
Jesus was the undeserving underdog in the lead up to his crucifixion.
He wasn't really the underdog. He could have annihilated Pontius Pilate, the priests, and the Roman soldiers. He chose not to defend himself and he told his disciples not to defend him. He was in charge of the situation.
Moo
--------------------
Kerygmania host
---------------------
See you later, alligator.
Posts: 20365 | From: Alleghany Mountains of Virginia | Registered: May 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
no prophet's flag is set so...
Proceed to see sea
# 15560
|
Posted
You know, it is possible to feel sympathy with nearly anything or anyone. It doesn't make them Underdogs, though it could make them Overcats, but I'm having trouble picturing Evensong as a Sweet Polly Purebred, picture here.
--------------------
Out of this nettle, danger, we pluck this flower, safety.
\_(ツ)_/
Posts: 11498 | From: Treaty 6 territory in the nonexistant Province of Buffalo, Canada ↄ⃝' | Registered: Mar 2010
| IP: Logged
|
|
Tortuf
Ship's fisherman
# 3784
|
Posted
Laws. I haven't seen anything about Underdog in years.
Nice memory.
Posts: 6963 | From: The Venice of the South | Registered: Dec 2002
| IP: Logged
|
|
Evensong
Shipmate
# 14696
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
The person likely to win a debate is the person with the best arguments and evidence. Has nothing to do with being ganged up on or not.
You can't possibly be this naive mousethief.
If the above were true, Jesus' earthly ministry should have been a howling success.
Instead it was a spectacular failure.
But we had hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel
quote:
Originally posted by Moo:
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong
Jesus was the undeserving underdog in the lead up to his crucifixion.
He wasn't really the underdog. He could have annihilated Pontius Pilate, the priests, and the Roman soldiers. He chose not to defend himself and he told his disciples not to defend him. He was in charge of the situation.
In the gospel of John perhaps. His passion narrative is quite serene.
"It is finished" is rather different from "My god, my god why have you forsaken me" in Mark and Matthew.
Jesus' cry of dereliction and agony in Gethsemane paint rather a different picture.
--------------------
a theological scrapbook
Posts: 9481 | From: Australia | Registered: Apr 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
Spiffy
Ship's WonderSheep
# 5267
|
Posted
Evensong, sweet pea. I know Jesus. Jesus is a friend of mine. And Bettsy ain't no Jesus.
--------------------
Looking for a simple solution to all life's problems? We are proud to present obstinate denial. Accept no substitute. Accept nothing.
--Night Vale Radio Twitter Account
Posts: 10281 | From: Beervana | Registered: Dec 2003
| IP: Logged
|
|
Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
# 2522
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Tortuf:
Laws. I haven't seen anything about Underdog in years.
Nice memory.
OK, I am dead serious, and Alvissimo can back this up if she ever decides to grace us again-- I was totally in love with Underdog when I was, like, six or seven.
He was bested by Tintin.
--------------------
I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
Posts: 35076 | From: Pura Californiana | Registered: Mar 2002
| IP: Logged
|
|
mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
# 953
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
The person likely to win a debate is the person with the best arguments and evidence. Has nothing to do with being ganged up on or not.
You can't possibly be this naive mousethief.
If the above were true, Jesus' earthly ministry should have been a howling success.
Instead it was a spectacular failure.
Um, Jesus' earthly ministry wasn't an internet debate. This is so obvious I'd think even you would see the difference.
--------------------
This is the last sig I'll ever write for you...
Posts: 63536 | From: Washington | Registered: Jul 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
|
|
Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
# 1984
|
Posted
Given this, and the absence of Betts - I shall put this thread out of its misery.
Doublethink
Hellhost
--------------------
All political thinking for years past has been vitiated in the same way. People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. George Orwell
Posts: 19219 | From: Erehwon | Registered: Aug 2005
| IP: Logged
|
|
Thread closed
Printer-friendly view
