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Dubious Thomas
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Friends, Romanists, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to not to bury IngoB, but to praise him.
I praise IngoB for his wonderful religious machismo, in the face of which I feel like a six-year-old girl! IngoB drips with spiritual testosterone! His manly Catholicism is a true inspiration. Mad Mel Gibson could take lessons from IngoB!
I praise him for his celebration of how a real, old fashioned Lenten fast should make you so ill from malnutrition that your sex-drive will nearly die! Let's hear it for his recipe for getting right to heart of sin!
I praise him for his affirmation that real Catholicism teaches that this mortal life is a high-stakes test, which most people flunk -- going directly to Hell; not passing GO; not collecting $200!
I praise him for his noting how "uncouth" an opponent I am, for having pointed out the fact that the God he describes looks remarkably like a violent child abuser! He's right -- I resorted to "cheep shots and personal insults," which IngoB never, ever, ever does! He always sticks to the highest of high grounds in dealing with others on the Ship, this paragon of respectful debate! I bow my head in shame before his virtue!
In my childhood, we used to say, "It takes one to know one." I can often be an arrogant, full of myself, self-righteous bully. Thus, I can spot such a creature very easily. And I am here to testify that IngoB is anything but!
Praise him! In his great humility, of course, he will refuse such accolades. But let's not bow to his modesty. Let's praise him!
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lilBuddha
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Cumulative rant or specific incident?
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Ooh, somebody's butthurt.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Cumulative rant or specific incident?
Just an attack of the DT's.
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mousethief
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I dunno about all this praise. He really seems like an asshole sometimes.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by mousethief:
I dunno about all this praise. He really seems like an asshole sometimes.
Oh we all do that sometimes. Especially if we post here.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
I dunno about all this praise. He really seems like an asshole sometimes.
Oh we all do that sometimes. Especially if we post here.
Litotes.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
I dunno about all this praise. He really seems like an asshole sometimes.
Oh we all do that sometimes. Especially if we post here.
Litotes.
You don't say?
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Gee D
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Ingo B translates as a convert who has learnt the letter of his new faith, but not the substance of it.
Litotes is a standard word of English grammar and requires no translation.
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Evensong
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I'm thinking that's one of the best OP's I've seen in Hell. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Such liturgical flourish and panache! Hallelujah!
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![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif) Dubious Thomas - good one!
IngoB argues very well - but what he argues makes God small, cruel and mean.
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Ariel
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Originally posted by Gee D:
Litotes is a standard word of English grammar and requires no translation.
I never said it did. I was getting at Gesundheit.
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Caught GeeD feeling guilty, eh?
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Martin60
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So where's the double negative mousethief?
And, idiomatically, bless you too Lamb Chopped.
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Desert Daughter
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Let him live. The ship is filled to the gunwales with a crew of crackpots, but they are mostly of a fairly homogeneous sort of crankiness, to such an extent that they frame their shared crankiness as "normal" and relish turning against any other sort of crankiness in the most self-righteous style. IngoB is just another crackpot, but a crackpot of a somewhat different sort. If you don't like his posts or don't agree with his brand of Catholicism, at least give him high marks for entertainment value.
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Originally posted by Desert Daughter:
If you don't like his posts or don't agree with his brand of Catholicism, at least give him high marks for entertainment value.
I don't find him entertaining at all.
I do give him high marks for being able to construct an excellent argument. I would also thank him for making me think through what I believe as I work through his posts.
It's just a shame that he believes in a callous and unloving God.
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Desert Daughter
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well, at least it makes a change from all that fuzzie-luvvie stuff that goes on elsewhere on the ship.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Cumulative rant or specific incident?
Just an attack of the DT's.
Oy, leave me out o it !
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IngoB
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This is basically just a spill-over from me calling DT on his ad hominem here.
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Originally posted by Dubious Thomas:
I praise IngoB for his wonderful religious machismo, in the face of which I feel like a six-year-old girl! IngoB drips with spiritual testosterone! His manly Catholicism is a true inspiration. Mad Mel Gibson could take lessons from IngoB!
Six year old girls are typically sweet and innocent, and manly men rejoice in their presence and feel protective about them. Clearly, that's not a particularly appropriate analogy. May I hence suggest that my manly Catholicism is rather reducing you to a used-up old slut, whose frustration about her ruined and wasted life have turned her all nasty and poisonous?
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Originally posted by Dubious Thomas:
Praise him! In his great humility, of course, he will refuse such accolades. But let's not bow to his modesty. Let's praise him!
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Summa Theologiae IIa IIae q161 a3
Now humility, as stated above (1, ad 5; 2, ad 3), properly regards the reverence whereby man is subject to God. Wherefore every man, in respect of that which is his own, ought to subject himself to every neighbor, in respect of that which the latter has of God's: but humility does not require a man to subject what he has of God's to that which may seem to be God's in another. For those who have a share of God's gifts know that they have them, according to 1 Corinthians 2:12: "That we may know the things that are given us from God." Wherefore without prejudice to humility they may set the gifts they have received from God above those that others appear to have received from Him; thus the Apostle says (Ephesians 3:5): "(The mystery of Christ) was not known to the sons of men as it is now revealed to His holy apostles." On like manner. humility does not require a man to subject that which he has of his own to that which his neighbor has of man's: otherwise each one would have to esteem himself a greater sinner than anyone else: whereas the Apostle says without prejudice to humility (Galatians 2:15): "We by nature are Jews, and not of the Gentiles, sinners." Nevertheless a man may esteem his neighbor to have some good which he lacks himself, or himself to have some evil which another has not: by reason of which, he may subject himself to him with humility.
Sorry, I know that this is a bit much for your attention span. The executive summary: by all means, do carry on. If you are looking to mix things up a bit, try using gotai-tochi to express yourself.
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Stand upright and bow slightly in gassho from the waist.
Is this a polite way of saying "I fart in your general direction"?
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balaam
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I would like to praise Dubious Thomas for one of the best passive agressive OP rants in a long time.
I was hoping against hope that IngoB would follow suit and praise DT. Alas I was disappointed. Ingo, your great intellect has let you down. I praise you for your great knowledge and ability to quote dogma. But one thing is missing - look around you, there are clues around. Lots of people have clues, yours seems to have gone on holiday, isn't it time to get a new one.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Boogie:
Dubious Thomas - good one!
IngoB argues very well - but what he argues makes God small, cruel and mean.
No, God is small, cruel and mean.
IngoB understands this and is spreading the message like a good evangelical.
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Evensong
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
No, God is small, cruel and mean.
You think so?
No wonder you crossed the Ganges. Good on you.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
IngoB understands this and is spreading the message like a good evangelical.
You know. It wasn't until I became a shippie that I realised there was very little difference between conservative evangelicals and conservative RC's. The latter just dress up prettier.
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That's probably the most literate hellcall I've been required to read since I started hosting.
Well done that man.
And in return all we get is literal quoting and calling your opponent a slut. Ingo, I'm disappointed. We know you can do better than that. See me after class.
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PaulTH*
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First in praise of Dubious Thomas:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
probably the most literate hellcall I've been required to read since I started hosting.
Couldn't be put better!
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Originally posted by Evensong:
You know. It wasn't until I became a shippie that I realised there was very little difference between conservative evangelicals and conservative RC's. The latter just dress up prettier.
I've been thinking the same all the way through the Purgatory thread on universalism.
Now in praise of IngoB, genuinely. I someone wants to join a religion in which they weren't brought up, it makes sense to learn as much as possible of what it believes and teaches. IngoB's knowledge of the history, doctrine and canon law of the Catholic Church is unsurpassed on the Ship, and we can be sure that he tells it as it is. My problem with it is that this is just the arguement Jesus had with the Pharisees. He didn't criticise their knowledge, in fact He said, "The scribes and Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so practice and observe whatever they tell you..(Matt 23:2-3).
His chief moan with them is that rules and regulations mean nothing if they aren't undergirded by love, that self-giving love for God and neighbour. Jesus' near contemporary Rabbi Hillel said something similar. When asked to explain the essence of Torah to a potential convert, while standing on one leg, he said, "Whatever is hurtful to you, do not do to another. That is the whole Torah, the rest in commentry." I will never accept that religion is about rules, it's about love. In the end, we will be judged on our love, not on our knowledge of canon law.
IngoB preaches a stern, loveless God, ready to fry the majority of humanity, to whom the rules of the Church are of paramount importance, and who would be willing to write us of for eternity when we fail to keep those rules. Jesus knew well the Jewish law of the sabbath, but pointed out that the sabbath is for our benefit, not for God's, and to break it in order to help someone in need is right. I see IngoB's Catholicism as pharasaical rigid adherance to the dead letter of the law, and completely devoid of the love God requires of us. But I don't believe he'll burn eternally, we will all learn eventually.
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Beeswax Altar
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IngoB just accurately describes the faith to which you converted. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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PaulTH*
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
IngoB just accurately describes the faith to which you converted.
True, but very few Catholics I know, especially cradle Catholics who are entirely comfortable within their Catholic skin feel as he does. He's much more akin to Mel Gibson and the SSPX!
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
So where's the double negative mousethief?
That is one form of litotes. Your thinking is too narrow. There are others.
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Originally posted by IngoB:
Sorry, I know that this is a bit much for your attention span.
Oh please. The Summa is a bit much for anybody's attention span. Aquinas was right when he said it was all straw. Pity the Church didn't listen.
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Originally posted by Evensong:
I don't think I've seen Bingo do passive-aggressive. Could be most amusing.
Germans don't do passive-aggressive. Doing it right requires a bit of empathy.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Germans don't do passive-aggressive. Doing it right requires a bit of empathy.
oi!
We are slating IngoB here, not Germans.
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Desert Daughter
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Germans don't do passive-aggressive. Doing it right requires a bit of empathy.
that's f*cking racist, condescending (oh yes, the discourse of the Anglo-Saxon Master Race as the only one capable of sophisticated humour is never far beneath the surface, is it?), and, besides, quite untrue. Shame on you. I had always taken you for one of the more reasonable deckhands. But I suppose Hell brings out the very worst in anyone... or is it just as with alcohol: it is under "the influence" that people show their true colours?
In any case, what you said there is a load of anglo-supremacist b#lls. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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There are only two things mousethief can't stand in this world. Strongly-stated conservative theology... and the Germans. / Austin Powers quote
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Originally posted by PaulTH*:
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
IngoB just accurately describes the faith to which you converted.
True, but very few Catholics I know, especially cradle Catholics who are entirely comfortable within their Catholic skin feel as he does. He's much more akin to Mel Gibson and the SSPX!
And what does the RCC care about the opinions of cradle Catholics in the West? I've long said Christians need a major realignment. I know many Roman Catholics wish the RCC was more like the Church of England or The Episcopal Church. Rather than just leave, they pretend the RCC was once something it never was and got hijacked by traditionalists like IngoB. Seems like you've joined to help them perpetuate the myth. IngoB joined with the understanding that the RCC is what she says she is and believes what she says she believes.
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I'm wondering whether this "Praise" of which you speak DT doesn't have the same psychological origins as A.H. worship ?
You know, like you just can't help but do it now and again.
Not that I'm making any comparisons of course ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Boogie:
oi!
We are slating IngoB here, not Germans.
OOPs . Lucky no-one mentioned the war .
I nearly did . Think I might have got away with it.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Desert Daughter:
that's f*cking racist,
Since when were Germans a race?
Oh, and the standard definition of racism includes oppression, and since when have the Germans been an oppressed minority?
But you are right, I overshot. Apologies to all empathetic Germans out there. I will lengthen the barrel of my shotgun and say: IngoB doesn't do passive aggression, etc.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Evensong:
I don't think I've seen Bingo do passive-aggressive. Could be most amusing.
Germans don't do passive-aggressive. Doing it right requires a bit of empathy.
Not sure what virtue racism takes. What a pity such a great man should be so ill-bred, as Talleyrand would have it.
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Desert Daughter
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This putting-down of cradle catholics, belittling their approach, implying that theirs is not the Real McCoy is unkind and arrogant, but really just a sign of insecurity.
It does make life difficult though: The parish I belonged to when I lived in Finland was made up of about 40% converts, and relations between "them" and "us" were not easy. It is never nice to be looked down upon. The fact that the parish was firmly in the hands of Opus Dei did not help. It did, however, confirm my early intuition that I must never let The Church stand between me and my faith.
And it made me wonder about the converts' mentality: Changing faith and adopting a new one does, if undertaken seriously, a tremendous change of one's innermost assumptions and outlook on life. Frequently, there is a need among such people to reassure themselves constantly about the sense which the step they took makes. For IngoB, this reassurance is sought in endless, painstakingly perfected postings on The Ship. I don't think he wants to proselytise. He probably just does it for reassurance.
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Sioni Sais
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If IngoB were a cradle catholic I don't think it would change him much. He might discuss different things or the same things differently, but he would reach the same conclusions, albeit by another route.
From what the cradle catholics in my family say and do, that might well be a shorter route.
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Desert Daughter
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I suppose every denomination has their little Talibans... they are just not as vocal on the ship as IngoB likes to be.
But really, he does not deserve this round in hell. Admit it, he's got entertainment value. Without types like him, The Ship would be a lot more bland and boring.
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I know very few Catholics, cradle or otherwise. I have the joy of a non-sleeping toddler, and as a result spend many wee hours reading Ingo's account of his stark Catholicism. It's been very informative - he's clearly very well read, intelligent, and of a singular vision (as Sir Humphrey Appleby might have remarked.)
I also feel some, I dunno, sympathy for him, perhaps. His account of his faith as "a hard slog"
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FWIW, my faith is for the most part calculated and workman-like, with all the personal passion of brushing one's teeth regularly. I also have not "encountered Jesus", though I have had some mystic experiences (which I found more scary than comforting, frankly). I consider Christian life mostly a hard slog, and the only thing the Christian community tends to inspire me to is rage-quitting. Yet I have a kind of faith, and it is a pretty resilient one. By Protestant standards, I'm probably nowhere near to "being saved" with that kind of faith, but I couldn't care less about that. By Catholic standards, my soul is also in danger. But for "practical" reasons, that can be fixed with available sacramental tools by priestly mechanics. I like that aspect of the traditional ways. There's room for gushing kitsch sentimentality, as well as for me, because it is in the end about moving your will in a particular direction. I can do that, in my way. Other people have their ways. Good for them, good for me.
is, in a stark sort of way, comforting, compared with the warm fluffy evangelical Anglicanism of my own background. (There will be comfort in your grief - there isn't. God has A Plan for your life - he hasn't.)
I'm sure Ingo would be thoroughly dismissive of such sentimentality on my part, though.
And that's the thing - he can be so sneering and dismissive of those who disagree. I paint a mental lip curl on the avatar so often when I read what he writes.
[Oh, and the dead horse thing. Maximise your chances of salvation through Catholicism > A Catholic understanding of marriage is primarily for child-bearing > maximise my chances of salvation through almost continuous child-rearing with all the attendant consequences. No thanks.]
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mousethief
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In case I wasn't clear above, I apologize unreservedly for my thoughtless swipe at Germans. It was wrong of me, and I am sorry.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Oh please. The Summa is a bit much for anybody's attention span. Aquinas was right when he said it was all straw. Pity the Church didn't listen.
Pity you distort what Aquinas actually said, more like. He had a mystical experience - possibly a glimpse of the Beatific Vision - whilst saying Mass: it was compared with that that he described his writings as "like straw". Compared with a glimpse of the Heavenly Banquet, the excellences of the collective work of all humankind will seem like so much straw. He is also said to have had another vision in which Christ said to him, "You have written well of me, Thomas." Why trust one tradition and not the other?
It's pretty transparent where your sniping at IngoB is coming from: same place as DT's - frustration at being (in your case, repeatedly) outargued by him. You can say this much even for straw: it is at least useful for constructing stuff. Splenetics? Not so much.
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It's pretty transparent where your sniping at IngoB is coming from: same place as DT's - frustration at being (in your case, repeatedly) outargued by him.
If that's how good you are at seeing through things, you need to send your x-ray goggles back to the manufacturer.
It would seem you just don't want to accept (as IngoB is incapable of accepting) the REAL reason people dislike his rhetoric. You think it must be because of his analytical acumen. Probably because you agree with him, although you know better than I what your motives are. But you are wrong. It has already been mentioned multiple times on this thread why he gets up people's noses. Perhaps you missed it? Perhaps you dismissed it and created in your mind other motives for these people, like you did for me? It looks for all the world like you have erected mental barriers against the truth here. And that's sad.
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I'll take a look at my perceptions and what's colouring them if you do, mousethief.
I see you getting steamed up and tantrummy when being trounced in an argument with IngoB too often not to suspect your motives when lashing out at him here. Maybe that's just my bad. Maybe there's something in that. Why don't we both have a think about that?
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I'll take a look at my perceptions and what's colouring them if you do, mousethief.
I see you getting steamed up and tantrummy when being trounced in an argument with IngoB too often not to suspect your motives when lashing out at him here. Maybe that's just my bad. Maybe there's something in that. Why don't we both have a think about that?
Actually when I get "trounced" in an argument by IngoB, as you call it, I tend to walk away and not respond. Usually because it's a hopeless task, as he is arguing from deep within a set of premises we do not share.
ETA: And vice versa of course.
EATA: I will take your word on Aquinas' deathbed utterances. But will stand by my conviction that the Summa is a slog for the best of modern readers, and twitting people for not finding it easy is stupid, or at the very least short-sighted bordering on blind.
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[ he is arguing from deep within a set of premises we do not share.
Indeed. And that's the whole problem, isn't it? That, plus maybe the occasional arrogance/sneering mentioned by Jemina.
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