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Smudgie

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Kick off!

This is the shiny new thread for discussing all things footbally....

[ 13. June 2014, 17:26: Message edited by: Imaginary Friend ]

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Looking even worse for West Ham now after that loss to Fulham. Hoping Fat Sam gets the sack.
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
Looking even worse for West Ham now after that loss to Fulham. Hoping Fat Sam gets the sack.

I do wonder if you can you get sacks that size.

Sam was trying to pin the blame on the donkey that is Kevin Nolan - two red cards in a month - but if the captain has problems like that what are the rest of them up to?

It'll all take the gloss off Karren Brady's gong.

[ 02. January 2014, 15:38: Message edited by: Sioni Sais ]

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Fascinating weekend in the cup. Moyes will be testing the patience of United fans to its fullest extent, Big Sam has got to be a dead man walking, the gloss came off Spurs' little revival under Sherwood, and City were forced to a replay.

Meanwhile, Chelsea neatly sidestepped their banana skin of a tie away at Derby, and all is good with the world. [Smile]

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A good weekend in the FA Cup. I suppose it means that the Mancs can concentrate on the Premiership, but will that make any difference?

The only sad note is that Eusebio, the Benfica and Portugal great, has died. When I say great, I mean it. He made a lot of friends amongst Evertonians in 1966 as Portugal were based at Goodison Park.

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We've decided to concentrate on the League this year [Hot and Hormonal]

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We've decided to concentrate on the League this year [Hot and Hormonal]

What do you think of Ian Holloway as manager? Can you forgive him his connection with Palace?

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My Spurs were off to a good start on New Year's Day. Mr. Sherwood seems to be managing well, though he could not stop the juggernaut Saturday...


[Disappointed]

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Assured myself of a season ticket today. 74 days until the home opener. 17 league games and 2 cup matches. For me, it works out to $30 a game for tickets in the area just below the middle range price wise.

Snow, rain, blazing sun, humidity and getting the chance to watch Defoe miss sitters (or so the persistent rumours state).

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I miss MLS pricing! (Although, having said that, I can get tickets for Stockholm's second team for about that much, so perhaps I shouldn't complain.)

[ 08. January 2014, 06:16: Message edited by: Imaginary Friend ]

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Aww, don't you feel sorry for him. After all those years David Moyes makes the trip down the East Lancs Road and finds that Sir Alex was right all along! Referees really do have it in for the Mancs!

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Assured myself of a season ticket today. 74 days until the home opener. 17 league games and 2 cup matches. For me, it works out to $30 a game for tickets in the area just below the middle range price wise.

Snow, rain, blazing sun, humidity and getting the chance to watch Defoe miss sitters (or so the persistent rumours state).

It looks like Defoe could be unveiled next week, but the bigger news for Toronto for now is Michael Bradley coming over from Roma. His playing time was down this year, but he has been a force in Italy in the past, and probably has a few more miles left in him than Defoe. While I am a little worried about how this might affect the game of one of the key players in the US squad, I'd say Toronto made a heck of a grab.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:
Originally posted by ken:
We've decided to concentrate on the League this year [Hot and Hormonal]

What do you think of Ian Holloway as manager? Can you forgive him his connection with Palace?
Mildly stunned to be honest. If they can afford him why did they ever go for... but then it was rumoured that Sean Dyche was interested in coming to Millwall last year, and look what happened to him!

At least Holloway is good value on TV. Both Jackett and Lomas are, well, not exactly orators. Or after dinner speakers. or stand-up comedians. Or even half-decent interviewees.

As for Palace... well, it seems that the died-in-the-wool born-and-bred man-and-boy Millwallists (of which I am not one, being an adult incomer to South East London) have different attitudes to our local rivals. Charlton are our friendly rivals. We want them to be in the same league as us, so that we can beat them every year. And we want them to do well (though not too well) against teams that aren't us. Palace, are well, "Place, Palace, who the fuck are Palace?" The True Millwall Fan (like the True Charlton Fan and the True Brighton Fan) dispises Palace, doesn't understand what Palace is for, or why anyone would support Palace at all - though guesses as to why tend to include references to anoraks and arseholes. West Ham on the other hand, are not our rivals, they are our enemies. Hard-line Millwall fans don't want to beat West Ham - they want West Ham to go out of business, to cease to exist.

So if a man - player or coach - was associated with Charlton and comes to Millwall that sort of makes sense. They have seen the light and are welcomed. Even a move the other way can be excused, just, if they were offered more money (and they would hardly be offered less, few teams in the division pay less than Millwall - thiugh I imagine Yeovil do) Someone coming from Palace to Millwall is seen perhaps as having had a lucky escape. (A journey the other way would be a betrayal though, as well as insane) So Holloway is probably going to be alright at least as long as we win a few matches) But someone who has been involved with West Ham - well they are contaminated. Damaged goods. It might just be OK if they were very young at the time and get out quickly. But 180 appreaances? Captain of the team? Playing in Europe? For old-school Millwall fans that is unforgiveable. Seriously - I know a few fans who stopped going to matches when Lomas took over. Just because of West Ham. Compared to that Holloway is sweetness and light. Assuming he manages to win a few matches...

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quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend
...City were forced to a replay.

Blackburn's in the money (weren't City generous?) and the quadruple's still on for us.

I've drawn up my four tick boxes... [Big Grin]

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Laugh at United all you want, we are in it for the long haul. It took Fergie 3 or 4 seasons to start winning but once we did we didn't stop.

David Moyes will do the same.

Anyhoo, the question I have is why on earth Ravel Morrison would want to sign for Fulham from West Ham?

They're both reasonably good Championship sides (or will be come... ooh... March?), but he's a quality player, so why settle for either of them?

I mean hasn't someone explained to him that you don't leave one crap club for another until you have proven you can't hack it with the best.

It doesn't seem very ambitious to me.

[ 16. January 2014, 08:16: Message edited by: deano ]

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Laugh at United all you want, we are in it for the long haul. It took Fergie 3 or 4 seasons to start winning but once we did we didn't stop.

Football's changed an awful lot since then. While I appreciate that United fans might be more patient than many other clubs', I wouldn't bet against the Glaziers taking a different view.

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quote:
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Laugh at United all you want, we are in it for the long haul. It took Fergie 3 or 4 seasons to start winning but once we did we didn't stop.

David Moyes will do the same.


Moyes has taken over a club that, since the 2007-08 season has won the Premiership four times, two League Cups and a Champions League title. In the five years before Fergie took over the Mancs had won the FA Cup twice, in 1983 and 1985. The baselines are totally different.

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I have to confess, I'm feeling rather under-whelmed by the prospect of our game against Moyes' boys on Sunday. It's just another should-win home fixture against mid-table opposition. Boring.

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Thought you lot might like to know that our poor season is all part of the plan...

MANCHESTER United manager David Moyes has announced that Old Trafford will enjoy a season of rest in 2013-14 to let the soil recover.

Just you lot wait!

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Bloody heck! The Holloway thing worked. At least for one game. Players seemed to be trying harder. And they ran rings round Ipswich (the 1-nil score was very unflattering to the winners). And the crowd was bigger, louder, and having a lot more fun.

Is this a one-week honeymoon? Or does getting a new manager in actually make a real difference?

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quote:
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Thought you lot might like to know that our poor season is all part of the plan...

MANCHESTER United manager David Moyes has announced that Old Trafford will enjoy a season of rest in 2013-14 to let the soil recover.

Just you lot wait!

If your players don't throw themselves at the ground so often, that will help the pitch. [Biased]

(be honest deano, you did walk onto that one)

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I'd say it's been pretty well fertilized considering how much shit Moyes has put out on it this season.

[Biased]

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Another good result for Spurs moved them up a notch in the standings...

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SPURS vs. CITY today: should I walk up to the local pub so I don't have to drink by myself or shall I watch it at home with no good ale on tap and no company? Methinks the latter and I may wear some SPURS kit even though one of the owners is a hard-core CITY supporter...

This should be interesting. I hope I'm off work in time to see it as our DVR seems like it will no longer record!

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Losing is one thing.

Losing a Merseyside derby is worse.

Losing it badly (4-0, and it could have been more) is worse still.

- and having another player carried off made it a bad day all round. That's Lukaku, Oviedo, Kone and Gibson, all out long-term, Distin and Coleman for a while too.

Come one you Blues! Last time I looked we had eleven men standing!

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OK, most Liverpool fans would rather thrash Man U, or Chelsea, or Arsenal, or these days Man C, than Everton. But we'll take it anyway.

The current table after 23 games is:
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Team    G.Diff Points

Man C 42 53
Arsenal 24 52
Chelsea 23 50
Liverpool 29 46
Spurs - 1 43
Everton 11 42
Man U 11 40

JtW's predictions for the end-of-season top 7 (in this order):

Man C
Liverpool
Chelsea
Arsenal
Man U
Spurs
Everton

No big surprises. Man U will (unfortunately) improve, but not enough to get them in the Champions League. Everton will fade badly (sorry Sioni) as will Spurs (sorry Sir K) to a lesser extent. Man C will be unstoppable and finish close to 10 points clear. Places 2-5 will be a dog-fight.

You heard it here first. Well you probably heard it down the pub already because there's nothing startling in my forecast.

Has anybody else got any predictions, now that we're past midway?

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Liverpool second? No chance! Not in a million years. Here's how it'll go down:

Man C
Chelsea
Arsenal
Liverpool
Man U
Everton
Spurs

City will run away with it now, I think. Arsenal's February-and-March-from-hell will catch up with them and their small squad of tired legs won't quite be able to keep up with Chelsea who will continue to stutter but also grind out enough thrilling(?!) 1-0 wins to secure second. Liverpool and United will have a close battle for fourth, and unfortunately I think Liverpool will just sneak it by virtue of the six point lead they already have. Everton will get a few of their players back and manage to scrape past Spurs, who's do-or-die, old school, "Tottenham Hotspur will play four, four, fucking two", "defensive midfielders ruined football", mentality will be shown up for being as out of date as it is.

[Biased] [Smile] [Big Grin]

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Mancs won't surpass my Spurs: don't forget how we defeated them on New Year's Day. They are no longer top four contenders: we are in spite of our ignominious loss earlier this week!

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quote:
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Mancs won't surpass my Spurs: don't forget how we defeated them on New Year's Day. They are no longer top four contenders: we are in spite of our ignominious loss earlier this week!

I don't want to rain on anybody's parade but van Persie and Rooney are back, Mata has joined and Fellaini & Carrick will be back soon.

Not sure Rooney is bothered though - rumours are that he'll be out in the summer.

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I thought he just signed a new contract? £300K per week.

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Ok, now this is just getting silly around here.

The spine of Toronto FC will be

The Brazilian NT goalkeeper - Julio Cesar

The former captain of Birmingham - Steven Caldwell

The playmaker of the US MNT - Michael Bradley

Some poor slob named Jermain Defoe

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I am glad City is no longer atop the table: the man who owns half of the local pub at the top of our street is not! Spurs should make it back to fourth, but it may take a small miracle...

[brick wall]

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Meanwhile, there's an interesting matchup looming in the cup. If Wednesday make it past Charlton (Hi, Tom!) in the replay we'll go to Bramall Lane for the next round.

The threads on the forums have names like 'Nightmare Tie'. I'm going to worry about one match at a time.

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On Man City [Projectile] vs Barca

Okay, crap ref but it was a definite sending off. I don't think anyone's arguing about that. But there was a foul earlier that should have gone City's way. Demichelis panicked when he saw it was Messi and tried to hack him down outside the area. What a pillock!

I wasn't impressed with either Clichy or Kolorov and Dani Alves had the beating of both of them all night. He should arguably have had a couple of goals.

Lescott is over-rated. That stupid back pass that gave away a corner was just idiocy. Good luck with that crap in Brazil!

City are a thoroughly good domestic team, I can't argue that, but they have no patience or subtlety - or indeed depth - to mix it up with Europe's finest.

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Watching Barcelona is quite weird, as they start the 'carousel', and you start to feel mesmerized, God knows what the defenders feel like. But after a bit, it also seems a bit sterile, but I suppose then they lay on a killing pass.

But then Bayern showed the way last year - 7-0, wasn't it, (aggregate)?

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quote:
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Watching Barcelona is quite weird, as they start the 'carousel', and you start to feel mesmerized, God knows what the defenders feel like. But after a bit, it also seems a bit sterile, but I suppose then they lay on a killing pass.

But then Bayern showed the way last year - 7-0, wasn't it, (aggregate)?

Yes, and that gives them some bragging rights, but I reckon that was a one off. Barca are beatable but not by that margin again.

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Sorry about that Sioni. I thought your lads were worth a point today.

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quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
Sorry about that Sioni. I thought your lads were worth a point today.

Just goes to show that that if you get chances, you have to score goals. Same thing happened at Spurs a couple of weeks ago. We were the better side, couldn't score, got beaten 1-0.

We can't complain, but we are going to whinge a fair bit and it will have people asking questions of our methods when we don't have a cutting edge.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
We were the better side...

I wouldn't go that far. We were all over you for the vast majority of the second half. But you did defend very well indeed, and for that I think a draw would've been fair.

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Okay, even I'll admit it. Man Utd. were rubbish last night and Olympiakos deserved their win. It was indeed a fair result.

Which makes me angry!

We just looked tired and yet we've played one game in a fortnight!

Moyes has said it's his fault, but I think he is being a little bit unfair on himself there. That team last night should have had enough quality to beat Olympiakos, even missing a few players for whatever reason, but they never got started.

Smalling couldn't even stay on his feet. I mean what is that all about? At half time he should have had some longer studs put on his boots. Pathetic!

It wasn't Moyes' fault at all it was the players on the pitch. We created one chance and Van Persie blew it. Okay fair enough even the best miss sometimes, but only creating one chance!

Andy Townsend said on the highlights show last night that some of the players would be thinking to themselves that they might not be playing for Man Utd at the start of the next season on the back of that performance. I agree. It must have at least made David Moyes mind up about some of them, and they're going to have to work awfully hard to change his mind I suspect.

I still think we can turn them over at Old Trafford as they are very ordinary. 3-0 is an ask but not impossible. But it is so frustrating when players behave like that.

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When the Mancs play like that you realise that Alex Ferguson's timing was impeccable.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
When the Mancs play like that you realise that Alex Ferguson's timing was impeccable.

Fergie Time!

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Excellent day. Lukaku scores and Everton win, beating West Ham in the process!

[ 02. March 2014, 00:22: Message edited by: Sioni Sais ]

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Looking forward to a good match today with Spurs. Was P.E. coach about a week and a half ago: taught the young lads and lasses all about the 4-4-2 formation and yellow cards...

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Looking forward to a good match today with Spurs. Was P.E. coach about a week and a half ago: taught the young lads and lasses all about the 4-4-2 formation and yellow cards...

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Will head off to one of the local pubs today to watch Man City in the League Cup Final.
Hoping they don't cock it up like they did in last years F.A. Cup Final.

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You see the game, Sir Kevin? [Yipee]

"Four - nil, and our strikers scored,
Four - nil, and our strikers scored,
Four - nil, and our strikers scored,
Four - nil, and our strikers scored!"

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quote:
Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
Looking forward to a good match today with Spurs. Was P.E. coach about a week and a half ago: taught the young lads and lasses all about the 4-4-2 formation and yellow cards...

Ah, 4-2-3-1 is where it's at these days! Interchanging forwards and a double pivot in midfield. Something like that...

Another away win for my Southampton chaps, and I have fresh hope that we might just finish ahead of Man U. I'll be surprised - eighth is surely the limit for Saints' ambitions - but it's still just possible, I reckon.

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quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
You see the game, Sir Kevin?

Unfortunately it was just torture to be endured, though I watched the second half over a food Irish lunch at the local Man City pub: the real Englishman sitting next to me allowed as that he did not like the Mancs sides either, being a Chelsea supporter!
[Disappointed]

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Spurs may want him, but we in Toronto are definitely not giving Defoe back.

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