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Ad Orientem
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I'm glad. Couldn't be dealing with all those fake Brazil fans. There's a lot of them over here.
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You are such a cheerful soul.
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Almost eight nil, but someone fluffed the finish.
And Brazil have now finally scored - a little late ...
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Doublethink.
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Tis over, Germany win seven one.
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The only question is how will the final go for Germany? So many times I have seen a team find it difficult to score in the next game after scoring so many.
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Ad Orientem
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
You are such a cheerful soul.
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) That's football. West Ham and England I like. All other teams I hate. It's just a matter of degree. I just happen to hate Brazil more than Germany.
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Autenrieth Road
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
Almost eight nil, but someone fluffed the finish.
And Brazil have now finally scored - a little late ...
I've never seen someone look so depressed after scoring a goal.
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IngoB
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Germany completely ROTFLstomps a back-broken Brazil.
To add insult to injury, Klose scores to overtakes Ronaldo as the best World Cup scorer ever (and he has one more game to go...).
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MOTD music for the credits was an amusing choice - most depressing version of everyone wants to rule the world ever.
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rolyn
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Did Brazil think the party-mood and passion would simply win the day . Seems they either didn't turn up or somehow forgot the golden rule of competition, that being -- Never underestimate your opposition .
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Cod
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Blimey. That was like watching a (very high speed0 game of chess between Kasparov and ... me. I never realised my jinxing powers were so powerful. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Tomorrow: Argentina to demolish the Netherlands. Probably 8-1, with Messi scoring 6 in the first 15 minutes. The Dutch goal will result from a Robben dive in the last minute. By then, the ref will be feeling sufficiently sorry for him to award it.
(Ad Orientem, I agree. I supported Germany due to their good taste in shirts - red & black hoops = QPR away)
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orfeo
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Watching on delay, but it got to the point where I thought I didn't even have to avoid this thread. Apparently I have 3 goals to go.
That was/is ridiculous. I mean, I thought for the first part of the tournament that Brazil were riding their luck and Neymar, but against Chile and Colombia I thought they'd improved.
Apparently not. The first goal was sloppy, but we've seen that level of sloppiness from other teams in the tournament. Not a good sign, but not fatal.
The second goal also was not good. But it's the third and fourth goals straight after that were absurd. Within a minute, minute and a half: game restarts after goal, Germany nicks ball, Germany strolls ball up to within range, Germany does a pass or two, Germany scores. Twice.
No team has played that badly in the entire tournament. And I've watched all 60 matches before this one.
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orfeo
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PS It just became 6-0, and the score down the bottom of the TV screen had to scroll to fit all the different goalscorers. That's when you know how far you've sunk, when your opponents' goalscorers don't fit without scrolling.
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Oscar the Grouch
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I'm gobsmacked.
With the benefit of hindsight, it always looked as if Germany had a couple more gears to shift into and that Brazil didn't. So a German victory hasn't surprised me. Nor the ineptitude of the likes of David Luiz (already looking like the best bit of business that Chelsea have done in a long, long time. PSG must be wondering what they have let themselves in for).
But 7-1!? How can a team that bad have got through to the World Cup semi finals?
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Originally posted by Cod:
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
I'd love to see Cesar go out on a high after the way QPR treated him. But the rest of his team is despicable.
Pah.
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They didn't let him train in a World Cup year. That's pathetic. He had to train in the park with his son.
Not necessary.
As for Green, different opinions.
And I don't trust the Independent that much.
A bit too closs to Harry.
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Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
But 7-1!? How can a team that bad have got through to the World Cup semi finals?
They lost two key players, and apparently they did not have the depth / team spirit to make up for it. Before, they did have those two players... And they ran into Germany having a good day.
We will see how well Argentina plays without Di Maria.
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Cod
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
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Originally posted by Cod:
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
I'd love to see Cesar go out on a high after the way QPR treated him. But the rest of his team is despicable.
Pah.
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They didn't let him train in a World Cup year. That's pathetic. He had to train in the park with his son.
Not necessary.
As for Green, different opinions.
And I don't trust the Independent that much.
A bit too closs to Harry.
Really? Did he use jumpers for goalposts? I bet they were expensive ones.
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Holy shit.
I turned off the TV after the second goal (I was supposed to be w*rking, after all, but more to the point, it was about as exciting as watching a cat play with a mouse) and by the time I got back to my desk it was 4-0. 5-0 seconds later.
The more I see of the Great Powers, the better I feel about the future of US football. The world is flat, or getting there. Germany was awesome, however--last time, I predicted they'd kick ass in 2014, and they're on track to do it. I really liked the "no superstars" team approach. For the first several matches they just seemed a bit mechanical, but now they're opening up. Of course, Brazil's defense shambling like zombies made it easy.... Too bad they didn't have Tim Howard in goal--it would only have been 3-1.
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Cod
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I don't agree. Julio Cesar stopped it from being even worse. The problem was the defenders in front of him. From the Graun:
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With the exception of some top drawer pre-match pointing, shirt waving and anthem singing, David Luiz has been shocking tonight. He looks like some hungover git from the Dog & Duck who's won a competition to play in a World Cup semi-final for Brazil. He was once again at fault for that goal, which by my estimation, makes him culpable for no fewer than six of the seven his team has shipped tonight.
Ouch.
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I suppose Julio Cesar and Oscar weren't actually bad, but Julio was no star and Oscar merely looked OK by comparison.
To be honest Brazil were no worse than poor for about 80 of the 90 minutes. For a ten minute spell however they were absolutely shocking and made me realise that England have a decent side after all. I don't think I have ever seen both sides leave the field at half-time looking like the match is over.
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Cod
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More than that, I'm sure I saw Jogi Low smile when Germany score, rather than his usual electric shock face.
The funniest bit was when Germany scored their sixth. Silence round the stadium, and Germany celebrated in true 1950s style, that is to say, not really celebrating.
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Tukai
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Originally posted by IngoB:
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Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
But 7-1!? How can a team that bad have got through to the World Cup semi finals?
They lost two key players, and apparently they did not have the depth / team spirit to make up for it. Before, they did have those two players... And they ran into Germany having a good day.
We will see how well Argentina plays without Di Maria.
Sure Brazil took the field without their best attacker and their best organiser of a defence, and Thiago Silva was certainly missed by a totally unorganised defence. But there are so many talented ball-players in Brazil, it's hard to believe that Brazil of all places didn't have enough depth to cover for those missing players. We're not talking about a small country like (say) Costa Rica with a relatively small pool of players.
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Well, it's the icing on the cake of an excellent World Cup. It was surreal, but very enjoyable.
I suppose the final will be an anti-climax now; but maybe not.
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After successfully predicting the results of the first 11 playoff games, our youngest son has crashed and burned on the last two. I'm glad he is at choir school where he would have missed yesterday's debacle.
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Well, it's the icing on the cake of an excellent World Cup. It was surreal, but very enjoyable.
I suppose the final will be an anti-climax now; but maybe not.
You realise there is still another semi final to go, right?
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L'organist
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My sons and their friends take it as a given that Argentina will be in the final - but only because they'll hack and cheat their way there.
They may be too young to remember Rattin (1966) or Maradona (1986) but the legends live on...
Germany were magnificent:
Final should be Germany=Netherlands with Germany winning 2-0
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Originally posted by L'organist:
My sons and their friends take it as a given that Argentina will be in the final - but only because they'll hack and cheat their way there.
I have two names for you... Arjen Robben and Nigel De Jong.
I'm sure NDJ is capable of putting it about in equal measure to any Argie, especially if it means taking out Messi.
And AR will go down at the slightest look from an Argie, and he's very, very good at it.
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Oscar the Grouch
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12/12 for my predictions!
I sat on the fence for Argentina v Holland. That's where I am still sitting (although tottering towards the Dutch). If Holland stop Messi, then I can't see Argentina having much of a chance.
Like Germany v Brazil, I get the impression that Holland still have a few extra gears to move into if necessary, but Argentina don't.
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I'm hoping for 8 goals again! Holland 5 Argies 3 with a Messi hat trick!
Won't happen and I'm not going to say who WILL win, but I WANT the Dutch to win.
I do love Messi though. I hope we buy him and Arjen Robben. And Tony Kroos.
Luverly!
Anyway, the diversion is nearly over. Sunday and the whole overblown, over-hyped shebbang will be over for a few more years. I do prefer the regularity - monotony? - of a league season to the big tournaments. I don't know if I'm alone in that but I find it reassuring in way that on blustery, rainy Saturdays, if we lose there is always next Saturday. Of course as a ManYoo fan I'm not really used to that either; it's usually a feeling of well we won today and we'll win again next Saturday as well. But you get my drift.
Is that the mark of a real fan, an idiot or someone who's just read "Fever Pitch" too many times?
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the spectacle as much as the next man, but I don't feel it truly replaces the week-in-week-out optimism-and-pessimism of club football. Perhaps if there was a transfer window in the world cup, between the group stages and the second round it might be better!
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GOOOOAAAL!
Nah, just kidding. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
I think they're doing the national anthems now. May the best team win. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Doublethink.
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Originally posted by deano:
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the spectacle as much as the next man, but I don't feel it truly replaces the week-in-week-out optimism-and-pessimism of club football. Perhaps if there was a transfer window in the world cup, between the group stages and the second round it might be better!
Watch the football !!!
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Ad Orientem
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Originally posted by Wesley J:
GOOOOAAAL!
Nah, just kidding.
I think they're doing the national anthems now. May the best team win.
May the best team win? There's no place for being non-partisan in football. ![[Biased]](wink.gif) Hopefully Holland will stuff the dirty Argies.
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Doublethink.
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And its nil nil going into extra time.
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One for the purists.
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Doublethink.
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Holland should have subbed their goalkeeper ...
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IngoB
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Called it, it's Germany vs. Argentina.
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So. A final where the teams have a Pope each.
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Ad Orientem
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Shit! Bollocks! Fuck! I ain't watching that final. Worst World Cup ever!
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Ha! Makes me re-think what comes to mind when someone says "hand of God" in this context.
[Edit: was responding to Firenze.]
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Og: Thread Killer
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Originally posted by Cod:
Really? Did he use jumpers for goalposts? I bet they were expensive ones.
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You tube video about his preperation
Cesar took a contract that was offered. Then he was treated like crud because of that contract.
Admittedly reality is probably between your opinion and what is on this video.
But the idea that he only cares about money is false.
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
Holland should have subbed their goalkeeper ...
They needed to have saved a sub so they could sub their goalkeeper. I wonder what the calculation is on that: sub during regular play in hopes of getting a goal, or assume it's going to go to penalty kicks and save the sub for then?
I'm wondering which Brazil team will show up on Saturday: the one that got them to the semifinals, or the one that played the semifinal? They'll have Thiago Silva back, so maybe that's the essential key to their defense.
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Timothy the Obscure
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Kind of uninspiring, I'd say. The question is, will Messi show up on Sunday? (He was a bit of a phantom menace today). Will the Argentine defense be the same one we saw today? Will the German offense be the one that thrashed Brazil, or the one that barely beat USA?
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Oh, and the whole thing was a foregone conclusion when it went to penalties. There is very conclusive research demonstrating that a goalie wearing a green jersey may as well go have a lie-down by the far post as try to stop anything (if you want to prevail in a PK shootout, wear red--but anything is better than green),
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Oh, and the whole thing was a foregone conclusion when it went to penalties. There is very conclusive research demonstrating that a goalie wearing a green jersey may as well go have a lie-down by the far post as try to stop anything (if you want to prevail in a PK shootout, wear red--but anything is better than green),
I'm old fashioned. i think players should shake hands to celebrate goals, referees should wear black and goalkeepers should be made to wear green jerseys with 1 on the back!
Then 100% of penalty shootouts would be won with a goalkeeper wearing green.
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L'organist
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posted by Firenze quote:
So. A final where the teams have a Pope each.
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Meanwhile, Luis Suárez has signed for Barcelona for €75 million. Unbelievable Jeff!
(And yes, despite the title, this is still a thread for general football discussion as well. The title change was meant to entice extra participation. )
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Oscar the Grouch
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A good deal for Liverpool. They get 75 million for someone who can't play until October.
Bad news for Suarez. Liverpool were prepared to give him the support and help he needs. I doubt that Barca will go to such lengths.
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Originally posted by Timothy the Obscure:
Will the German offense be the one that thrashed Brazil, or the one that barely beat USA?
How are they different teams? The Brazilians played so poorly it is difficult to imagine anyone not thrashing them that day.
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Oscar the Grouch
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There's no doubt that Brazil made Germany look good. But over all, Germany have been the side that has shown most talent and ambition so far. I don't think any one can deny that they would be worthier champions than Argentina, whose limitations are glaringly obvious. Stop Messi and you stop Argentina. In contrast, any one of 4 or 5 Germans could put in a match-winning performance.
Whilst I would be happy to be proved wrong, I don't think this will be a classic final. I can't see Argentina changing their game plan, which will be to play very conservatively and hope to get the ball to Messi in space at least once or twice. As a result, the Germans will find that they have no space to play expansively. Equally, they will have to keep a close watch on Messi. Unless the Germans score early on and force the Argentines to open up a bit, I think this will be grim watching.
It's going to be strange, as a Brit, to be cheering on the Germans....
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