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Weatherwax
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I too, got up to watch (it wasn't too much earlier than usual anyway), and thoroughly enjoyed myself. I thought the choirs sounded very good, and really liked the Mealor. The Rutter sounded, unfortunately in my opinion, like Rutter at his cheapest, most crass. Sugar-pretty at first hearing but no real substance. Which was disappointing, as I think some of his stuff is quite good. But choirs here in the States will no doubt rush to buy copies. My choir, however, will be attempting the Mealor next Maundy Thursday!
And I also thought James Middleton's reading of Romans was stellar. He really understood the idea of proclaiming the reading, not just mumbling it out loud. It came alive to me. And the sermon was definitely one of the better wedding sermons I've heard (and I've heard many). Short, sweet, to the point, and contemporary, but without falling into the trap of common ("and when you hurt each other, as you inevitably will..." blech.)
Here's an important thing to nit-pick over: What was up with Beatrice's/Eugenie's (don't know who's who) hat?! ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
Much good pomp and circumstance - I'm still wallowing!
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One thing I will say is that, from my perspective, this may wind up being one of the greatest events of Christian evangelism in the history of the world.
The Liturgy itself was filled with elements of the Gospel call, and the sermon by Bishop Chartes was amazingly prepared.
The press has stated that nearly 2 billion people worldwide were projected to watch the ceremony on TV. How wonderful that it was a moment of Christian worship, uninterrupted by talking heads.
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Quoth Og of Bashan:
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Yesterday, I was trying my best to explain to the Queen of Bashan why Anglican music snobs like myself instinctually sniff when we hear the name “Rutter.” The best I could do was say that Rutter is to us what Oasis is to rock snobs. He writes some fine melodies, and is quite accessible, but he doesn’t do much that is particularly interesting. The piece did a better job of explaining his style than I could. I am sure that it will have a long life of performances in diverse settings, but if I never sing it, I will not feel that I am missing something.
I've had the opposite experience. The first thing I ever heard (and sung) by Rutter was the Requiem - and I really loved it. I think it's just about perfect, actually - perfectly expressive without bombast. Very beautiful, in fact.
And ever since, with the exception of "What Sweeter Music," I've been disappointed. I can't figure out how a guy who can write such wonderful - occasionally even transcendent - music can also write such schlock at times.
It's a puzzlement to me, really. An odd phenomenon to say the least....
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NatDogg
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Originally posted by Chapelhead:
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Originally posted by FatherRobLyons:
I do have to ask, not being all that flamiliar with the royal bits (seeing as I live in the states), if it is normal to turn the Lord's Table into a curio cabinet for fine metalware for royal occassions.
Apparently yes. Something similar happened at Charles and Camilla's bash in St George's, Windsor. You get a pretty good view from about 2.18 in this clip (if it works in your location).
It is quite common at royal events in Westminster and St. George's, Windsor to dress the altar up with the best plate. Some of the stuff apparently dates back to Charles II and some of the large trays are still used at the Royal Maundy Services held every year.
At Elizabeth II's coronation in 1953, you can see pictures of the altar (and the side tables) loaded down with plate. Look at this video (around 3:50) and you can see it. Talk about Altar Guild burnout!
Elizabeth II Coronation Procession
A curious tradition, but I kind of like it. . .
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Rutter is to us what Oasis is to rock snobs
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Not part of the wedding service itself, but something that I was pleased to note...
On the way to and from the Abbey, sitting in the car and carriage, Princes William and Harry very properly acknowledged the salutes they received (from the guards bands, for example), and returned the salutes. They also, very properly, saluted the Cenotaph. Which is what one would expect of them.
What was perhaps less expected was that the Duchess of Cambridge also acknowledged the salutes (I believe there were some occasions when she failed to notice a salute, which is perhaps understandable). In her case her smiley face became a serious face and she nodded her head in acknowledgement.
Given the excitement of the moment and novelty of her situation, this was perhaps one in the eye for those who seem to think that the Middletons are a bunch of chavs with no idea how to behave (as was James's reading of the lesson).
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I saw that too, Chapelhead! I thought it was very appropriate and nicely done.
And I thought her brother's reading of the lesson was magnificent. If only all readers did such a job!
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They did well, both of them. And Harry too, looking after the nippers after the service. I used to have my doubts about him but he seems to have turned out alright.
I thought the salutes and the bowing of the head at the Cenotaph etc were nicely, and I'm sure, sincerely done.
But then, I'm turning into an old softee ...
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Chorister
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Originally posted by TE Brown:
Here's an important thing to nit-pick over: What was up with Beatrice's/Eugenie's (don't know who's who) hat?!
TEB
I expect you mean Beatrice. The hat (or at least the Tinky-Winky contraption on top) made the very loud statement: 'For once the biggest thing about me is not my eyes'.
I expect Kate's mother was very nervous. But it looked for all the world as if she was turning her back on the Abp. who very much wanted to talk to her as well as shake her hand.
Goodness, it must be one of the hardest things to walk into the Abbey and act normally with 2bn people the world over watching you. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Amanda write, "I like Rutter's Requiem* -- have sung it -- but I haven't found anything else of his that I like, including the piece they did today."
Do check out "I Will Lift Up Mine Eyes" and "The Lord is My Shepherd." Many an oboist has made car payments from playing the latter in church. Also, "God Be in My Head" and (perhaps) "The Lord Bless You and Keep You." (To me, the latter is the best of his treacle compositions.)
More on topic, I covet the Archbishop's and Dean's golden copes and stoles. They probably didn't come from an online vestment shop.
And, we do need to put out the best silverware on the altar for the next Evensong.
I don't think we need to line the nave with trees, though. Gotta wonder whether that was one of the Prince of Wales's Druid-things.
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Originally posted by daisymay:
... a couple of things I didn't like were the using the Lord's Prayer missing out the end bit most of us use, and not saying, Holy "Spirit" which IMO is more sensible than "Ghost". Going backward to years ago? Or did the two getting married choose these phrases?
Both of these are correct in the Prayer Book setting. If you're going to use trad language, then it needs to be done properly ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Oreophagite:
Amanda write, "I like Rutter's Requiem* -- have sung it -- but I haven't found anything else of his that I like, including the piece they did today."
Do check out "I Will Lift Up Mine Eyes" and "The Lord is My Shepherd." Many an oboist has made car payments from playing the latter in church.
Though orginally written separately I believe, Rutter's "The Lord is My Shepherd" is part of his Requiem.
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Originally posted by FatherRobLyons:
I do have to ask, not being all that flamiliar with the royal bits (seeing as I live in the states), if it is normal to turn the Lord's Table into a curio cabinet for fine metalware for royal occassions.
I am sure the stuff displayed has royal signifigance, but my sense of liturgical snobbery wanted to scream "If it isn't a Eucharist, than nothing should be upon the Altar except a cross and two candlesticks!!!"
Rob+
That did seem a bit strange looking. I think I heard a comment that some of the plate had been gifts from Elizabeth and Philip on the occasion of their marriage, so maybe that was a connection?
I preferred the 'Ubi Caritas' to the Rutter. And the Parry was excellent.
Good sermon from the Bishop of Chartres, too. And another thumbs up for the excellent reading from Catherine's brother.
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For a few minutes after I saw the music list, I said "Two of those hymns are to the same tune" but then I looked it up and found I was concatenating "Hydrofyl" and "Cwm Rhondda" (which are the tunes
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Amazing Grace, I've gathered from other discussions in Eccles that Blaerwern is the common tune for "Love Divine" in the UK. It is in some Protestant denominations in the US as well. Like you, I'm used to it being to Hyfrodol and prefer it that way.
[PEDANTIC NITPICK] It's Hyfrydol, not 'Hydrofyl' (?Rolls-Royce brake fluid), or 'Hyfrodol' (?royal wedding anti-hysteria sedative), or even 'Hydrofoil'. [/PEDANTIC NITPICK]
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
Adventuresome arrangers of choir music please note: "Jesus Joy of Loving Hearts" fits the tune and mood of the Pie Jesu movement perfectly.
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To make such an arrangement would be illegal, being a violation of Rutter's copyright, unless either you get permission or Rutter does that adaptation himself (and you buy the copies thereof).
I don't hold a brief for JR (or his music), but he's a commercial animal and can pay lawyers to "look after his interests". [/tangent].
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Originally posted by TubaMirum:
Quoth Og of Bashan:
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Yesterday, I was trying my best to explain to the Queen of Bashan why Anglican music snobs like myself instinctually sniff when we hear the name “Rutter.” The best I could do was say that Rutter is to us what Oasis is to rock snobs. He writes some fine melodies, and is quite accessible, but he doesn’t do much that is particularly interesting. The piece did a better job of explaining his style than I could. I am sure that it will have a long life of performances in diverse settings, but if I never sing it, I will not feel that I am missing something.
I've had the opposite experience. The first thing I ever heard (and sung) by Rutter was the Requiem - and I really loved it. I think it's just about perfect, actually - perfectly expressive without bombast. Very beautiful, in fact.
And ever since, with the exception of "What Sweeter Music," I've been disappointed. I can't figure out how a guy who can write such wonderful - occasionally even transcendent - music can also write such schlock at times.
It's a puzzlement to me, really. An odd phenomenon to say the least....
Whatever Rutter writes is skilfully crafted and lies well for the voices. Few would deny that he tends to recycle successful formulae rather a lot, but the answer to that is to be sparing in how much of his music one programmes. I've played for one or two Rutterfest Christmas programes and it all got rather boring, but I wouldn't use that as an excuse to down him as a composer.
Apart from 'What sweeter music', I particularly like 'As the Bridgegroom to his chosen', and in the Shepherd's Pie category, 'Jesus Child'.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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Originally posted by Nick Tamen:
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"The Lord is My Shepherd." Many an oboist has made car payments from playing the latter in church.
Though orginally written separately I believe, Rutter's "The Lord is My Shepherd" is part of his Requiem.
Yes, it is. I've done it both separately and as part of the Requiem. It's a lovely movement. But Leonard Bernstein's setting of Psalm 22 in Chichester Psalms trumps it, I think. But I digress.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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Originally posted by Morlader:
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
Adventuresome arrangers of choir music please note: "Jesus Joy of Loving Hearts" fits the tune and mood of the Pie Jesu movement perfectly.
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To make such an arrangement would be illegal, being a violation of Rutter's copyright, unless either you get permission or Rutter does that adaptation himself (and you buy the copies thereof).
I don't hold a brief for JR (or his music), but he's a commercial animal and can pay lawyers to "look after his interests". [/tangent].
Ah, but we're only taking note, not arranging anything. I do wonder, though, how Rutter would react if he realized that "Jesu" would fit the tune. Perhaps I'll write him to let him know.
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Originally posted by TE Brown:
Here's an important thing to nit-pick over: What was up with Beatrice's/Eugenie's (don't know who's who) hat?!
TEB
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Apparently there's a whole group on Facebook discussing (i.e. dissing) Beatrice's hat - word on the street says it's a uterus.
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A friend of mine thought it looked like a cat toy. That and Beatrice's eye makeup together gave me the giggles. Good thing I lost my invitation and couldn't go, or I would have disgraced myself. ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
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Originally posted by mettabhavana:
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For a few minutes after I saw the music list, I said "Two of those hymns are to the same tune" but then I looked it up and found I was concatenating "Hydrofyl" and "Cwm Rhondda" (which are the tunes
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Amazing Grace, I've gathered from other discussions in Eccles that Blaerwern is the common tune for "Love Divine" in the UK. It is in some Protestant denominations in the US as well. Like you, I'm used to it being to Hyfrodol and prefer it that way.
[PEDANTIC NITPICK] It's Hyfrydol, not 'Hydrofyl' (?Rolls-Royce brake fluid), or 'Hyfrodol' (?royal wedding anti-hysteria sedative), or even 'Hydrofoil'. [/PEDANTIC NITPICK]
You are quite right, and I know better, it being my favorite hymn tune. I attribute it to the late hour and my attempt to get one more post in before retiring.
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Forgive my ignorance, but can anyone tell me why Archbishop Rowan removed his mitre for certain prayers and put it on again for other parts of the service?
Even after 5 years as a Christian there are still some things I haven't got to grips with. I suppose that one's Christianity, like one's garden, will always be a work in progress.
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And the award for Best Vicar in the Anglican Communion Of The Day goes to this guy.
If he gets in trouble (which I suspect he will) I suggest the defense that one was merely physically expressing one's exuberance in the Lord.
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Re the liturgy:
According to the official programme the first part of the service, up to the address, was:
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Extract from The Book of Common Prayer, the rights in which are vested in the Crown,
is reproduced by permission of the Crown’s patentee, Cambridge University Press.
At the end of the service sheet the copyright notice was:
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Alternative Services Series One: A Form of Solemnization of Matrimony from Common Worship: Pastoral Services
is copyright © The Archbishops’ Council 2005 and is reproduced here with permission.
And no, I don't understand it either. Why not use one or the other?
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Originally posted by Spiffy:
And the award for Best Vicar in the Anglican Communion Of The Day goes to this guy.
He's not a vicar
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One person on a DigitalSpy Wedding-watch thread asked about the possibility of current music etc in a Royal Wedding.
Do you think it might ever be likely that we could see Tim Hughes or whoever leading worship at a Royal Wedding in the future?
You know - like HTB, Kingsgate, Hillsong...?
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
... Good sermon from the Bishop of Chartres ...
[another pedant alert]
I think his surname is Chartres and he's the Bishop of London.[/pedant alert OFF]
Another yea and amen for Mr. Middleton's reading of the lesson and a huge ![[Confused]](confused.gif) for Princess Beatrice's hat. British Shippies of A Certain Age might have thought it was inspired by the Vision On logo.
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Originally posted by Spike:
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Originally posted by Spiffy:
And the award for Best Vicar in the Anglican Communion Of The Day goes to this guy.
He's not a vicar
Funny, 'cause the website I got the clip off of said at first it was a verger and then everyone started screaming he's a vicar.
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Originally posted by Chorister:
Apparently there's a whole group on Facebook discussing (i.e. dissing) Beatrice's hat - word on the street says it's a uterus.
No, it's the complete set.
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I'm certain that the Duchess of Cambridge's wedding dress will inspire many imitators -- but I wonder, how many couples will now want to decorate their wedding churches with small trees?
In a building the scale of the Abbey, I thought they looked quite pretty -- especially this time of year when the new leaves are such a vibrant green. (And they stood out nicely against the red carpet.)
If I were a wedding planner, I'd buy a couple dozen saplings now to meet the coming demand.
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I am thankful that there is only one honest-to-goodness Gothic church in my neck of the woods that will come close the the Abbey's ambience.
Which reminds me of a wedding where I was "stand up; sit down" barker, which was done in one of those wedding venues. Chapel had bad acoustics made worse by the overgrown and dense flora and "natural" fountains.
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Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
One person on a DigitalSpy Wedding-watch thread asked about the possibility of current music etc in a Royal Wedding.
Do you think it might ever be likely that we could see Tim Hughes or whoever leading worship at a Royal Wedding in the future?
You know - like HTB, Kingsgate, Hillsong...?
Er... current music? How about the three pieces of music written within the last year or so, including two pieces specifically written for the service itself?
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Originally posted by ChippedChalice:
I'm certain that the Duchess of Cambridge's wedding dress will inspire many imitators -- but I wonder, how many couples will now want to decorate their wedding churches with small trees?
In a building the scale of the Abbey, I thought they looked quite pretty -- especially this time of year when the new leaves are such a vibrant green. (And they stood out nicely against the red carpet.)
If I were a wedding planner, I'd buy a couple dozen saplings now to meet the coming demand.
The Abbey is such a huge space that to use conventional floral arrangements would have denuded every florist in the Home Counties in order to provide arrangements of sufficient scale that they weren't lost. I think the trees worked well.
And I do hope that the Duchess's dress marks the death-knell for strapless dresses. They suit so few ladies.
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Originally posted by Laurence:
Er... current music? How about the three pieces of music written within the last year or so, including two pieces specifically written for the service itself? [/QB]
I think the person who asked is more attuned to charismatic worship. So while choral works would have been written - it was still a Trad Service.
But my question does hold - would be interesting to see a Royal Praise-Up...
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Reflecting on yesterday's events, another aspect that comes to mind is the splendid way that, despite all that needed to happen, everyone seemed to allow time.
When the various parties arrived at the west door there was time for some chat with the Dean, Chapter and Bishops. When Prince William and Prince Harry arrived at the lantern there was time to exchange a few words with some of the guests. As each part of the service ended there was a moment of pause before the next thing. Things didn't seem hurried (and again, I would single out James Middleton for particular note - he was entirely calm enough to allow space for the reading).
In a world where there is often a dreadful rush to get from one thing to the next, even in church services, and no time, for example, to allow the music to end before the applause starts (or the Classic FM presenter leaps in with another jarring banality - they're getting worse at it), it was delightful.
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Originally posted by piglet:
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
... Good sermon from the Bishop of Chartres ...
[another pedant alert]
I think his surname is Chartres and he's the Bishop of London.[/pedant alert OFF]
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Originally posted by Jigsaw:
Forgive my ignorance, but can anyone tell me why Archbishop Rowan removed his mitre for certain prayers and put it on again for other parts of the service?
Even after 5 years as a Christian there are still some things I haven't got to grips with. I suppose that one's Christianity, like one's garden, will always be a work in progress.
Thanks.
I see no one has answered this one. I'm probably as ignorant as you about all things Anglican, but I assumed that it was simply that while praying men should have their heads uncovered (Yes I may be fairly clueless about Anglican traditions, but I was a Brethren girl, so I know all about what 1 Corinthians says about head coverings for the different sexes!!)
As to why a bishop wears a head covering in church anyway, I haven't a clue, hopefully someone more knowledgeable will elucidate. (I noticed William collecting his own hat on the way out of church by the way, I think his gloves must have been inside the hat: - all these little touches that had to be organised and went so smoothly!)
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Pippa's buttons.
If there were 39, surely we should be told.
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Er... current music? How about the three pieces of music written within the last year or so, including two pieces specifically written for the service itself?
I think the person who asked is more attuned to charismatic worship. So while choral works would have been written - it was still a Trad Service.
But my question does hold - would be interesting to see a Royal Praise-Up... [/QB]
Or even something like this?
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Spiffy, the fellow doing the cartwheels appears (to me) to have on a black cassock and white bow tie. I don't think he's wearing a dog collar.
Hence, probably a verger.
As for clerical headgear, the rules can be intricate, especially in Anglo-Catholic circles. They are indeed worn indoors, and taken off and put back on again at certain times.
For non-Anglo-Catholic clergy, the easiest thing is to go hatless. For bishops, the pointy hat is expected. I think ++Rowan was the only mitered bishop at the wedding. By the time one gets to his position, one would know when to put it on and take it off.
<tangent>There was a flap last year when the US presiding bishop, who is female, visited London and presided at a Eucharist at Southwark. She was allowed to carry her miter in a service, but not to wear it.</tangent>
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We don't get many weddings at our place (for reasons too numerous to mention), but there is one planned for August. I now await the request to bring trees into the church........in fact, we do have room for a couple, so who knows?
The whole thing seems to have been done extremely well, and one is happy for Wills and Kate. What a pity that much of the subsequent comment on TV has been about trivia, slebs* etc., but such is the way of the world.
Ian J.
*the correct spelling of the diminutive of 'celebrities', I am told.
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I've been reading some comments on other (non-religious) boards. People were struck by the wrapping of hands in the stole, BTW; some found it beautiful. I'm sure they'd never seen it before, or even thought of it. Nice to have that kind of symbolism and ritual make a worldwide appearance.
Same for Rowan's removal of the miter, I think. Wasn't there a thread here recently about when bishops removed the miter - that it symbolized their humility before God, and was a ritual enactment of the "abdication" of worldly power as a symbol of submission to God?
Anyway, I was glad for Rowan being Archbishop and for doing things like these....
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I'm not sure about the rules for episcopal headgear either, but I noted with appreciation that with ++Rowan, a serious case of mitre-head doesn't seem to make much difference.
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I do have to ask, not being all that flamiliar with the royal bits (seeing as I live in the states), if it is normal to turn the Lord's Table into a curio cabinet for fine metalware for royal occassions.
Apparently yes. Something similar happened at Charles and Camilla's bash in St George's, Windsor. You get a pretty good view from about 2.18 in this clip (if it works in your location).
It used to be quite common to display plates and chalices on the alter for special; occasions.
In my teens, at Holy Trinity Weymouth, it was done for Festal Evensong on Easter Sunday, Pentecost etc.
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The Daily Mail is speculating that the taller of the two nuns was, in fact, a decoy body guard in disguise....
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When they returned from the signing of the registers, the couple did not bow to the alter (representing Christ) but they DID bow/courtsey to the Queen.
Just as one would expect loyal Anglicans to do. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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A bow to the altar would have been lovely, however the bow and curtesy to The Queen after the signing of the registers was the best bit for me. I had to stand up at that point.
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