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Firenze

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quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
me too. I have this embarrassing habit of answering the question as asked, rather than as meant, and I usually realize a couple beats too late that they really didn't want to hear about [fill in the blank]. By which point it's too late to redirect without major awkwardness.

If you see, from the look of spreading horror, that you are offering TMI, say, on a slightly rising inflexion, 'But apart from that.'
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JoannaP
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul.:
On somewhat the same theme I do wish people wouldn't use "How are you?" as the equivalent of "Hello". The pedantic is strong in me and I feel dishonest in mumbling some weak half-truth platitude ("surviving", "up and down"). And most of the time I don't really want to talk about my feelings, and don't, but I'm forced to think about it because of this social convention.

In those circumstances, I have taken to saying "surviving", as it has the merit of being true (assuming my mouth hasn't replied "fine" on autopilot first). My friends know what I mean; most people either don't listen or assume it is synonymous with "fine". Sometimes I get a joking "As bad as that?", which is awkward.

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quote:
Originally posted by Paul.:
On somewhat the same theme I do wish people wouldn't use "How are you?" as the equivalent of "Hello". The pedantic is strong in me and I feel dishonest in mumbling some weak half-truth platitude ("surviving", "up and down"). And most of the time I don't really want to talk about my feelings, and don't, but I'm forced to think about it because of this social convention.

But it's more than that. It's the fact that I feel trapped in the polite persona I inhabit because as far as I can tell normal social interaction relies on the fiction that we're all basically OK. And if you step outside that all that happens is that you embarrass people and whilst they might be sympathetic, you're no nearer to honest communication because you've just created a different kind of barrier.

[Frown]

Great post. There is a kind of tyranny of being alright. But work is an artificial environment, not designed for personal intimacy.

All of this reminds me of Kleenex - I used to run therapy groups, and if someone burst into tears (which frequently happened), we would notice who would thrust Kleenex on the weeper. Of course, it is kind, but we also thought that it was trying to stop them crying! All those unshed tears start to hurt, when someone else is letting them out. We were all in favour of the tears and snot really pouring out.

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Kelly Alves

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I've both been in groups where there is stated rules against tissue- thrusting, and huge peer pressure to tissue thrust.

In one of the latter groups, there is one woman who rushes to beat everyone to it, then gives everyone else the stink eye as if we all failed some sort of compassion test. Strange bedfellows.

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Paul.
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quote:
Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Great post. There is a kind of tyranny of being alright. But work is an artificial environment, not designed for personal intimacy.

Thanks. It was actually church not work I was thinking of but sadly I think your comment still applies.
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quetzalcoatl
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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I've both been in groups where there is stated rules against tissue- thrusting, and huge peer pressure to tissue thrust.

In one of the latter groups, there is one woman who rushes to beat everyone to it, then gives everyone else the stink eye as if we all failed some sort of compassion test. Strange bedfellows.

You've made me think of a new idea for groups, 'crying without tissues'. It sounds like issues.

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How about 'crying with pitchforks'? Do you think that'll take off?

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Kelly Alves

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In the case of Tissue Nazi above, I want to tell her, "If you really cared, you'd use your sleeve and become part of her grief..."

"Or your bare hand..."

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I sometimes wonder if that generation of cinema films called 'Weepies' weren't a deliberate attempt at outing the pent-up post war emotion in the 50s.

Q was correct in his clarification of what I was trying to say earlier. You were also right K that my intentions meant as helpful ,(in an off-the-wall kind of way), you were however entitled to tell me to f-off if you wanted as this is the Hot Place. If I don't like heat etc. etc. (appreciate the fact you didn't).

I'm fortunate to work in an environment where there isn't too much pressure to be cheerful, both me and the boss are nearly as fatalistic as each-other. I'm also fortunate to have a home-life that doesn't have a problem with this character.

I am though pretty certain that if I went to a doctor with claims of sleeplessness and feeling down then Ad's would be duly provided. I've always vowed not to go down that road unless that frigging Mutt drags me right onto the floor.
A view no doubt commendable in the 50s but possibly regarded as somewhat reckless these days. Sobeit.

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Rolyn

Not so sure you'd get a.d.s straight off. The first stop these days is normally talk therapy, short term at that, often cbt

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Thanks JJ.

Guess I'll continue to tread a firm line of resistance. Always remember the word 'psychiatrist' being an absolute anathema to our dear late dad.

Thing I find with negative feelings is that they're inclined to float in and float off again. I suppose after 50 something years of knowing oneself you simply get used to it. Something inwardly seems to say -- That's just the way life is.

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JoannaP
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quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:
I am though pretty certain that if I went to a doctor with claims of sleeplessness and feeling down then Ad's would be duly provided. I've always vowed not to go down that road unless that frigging Mutt drags me right onto the floor.
A view no doubt commendable in the 50s but possibly regarded as somewhat reckless these days. Sobeit.

If you think you will get a extra shiny harp as a reward for stoically enduring, knock yourself out but please do not inflict this attitude on anybody else. If you thought you might have diabetes, would you refuse to discuss it with your doctor?

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:


Q was correct in his clarification of what I was trying to say earlier. You were also right K that my intentions meant as helpful ,(in an off-the-wall kind of way), you were however entitled to tell me to f-off if you wanted as this is the Hot Place. If I don't like heat etc. etc. (appreciate the fact you didn't).

Ok let me rectify that-- fuck off. [Big Grin]

But allow me to return to what originally brought me here, which AmyBo originally expressed. It's not anything that is happening to me personally right now, but the holidays brings out the crazy in everyone, it seems, and one form of crazy is absolutely fucking kicking people when they are down. (Cover your eyes, rolyn, this ain't for you.)

Or, I should rephrase, kicking people when YOU are down. Kicking people when you don't like your own life circumstances, or your single status, or the fights you've been having with your family, or the fact that you are just a sad, bitter human being with nothing but spite to keep you warm at night, but there really are people who seem to define themselves by what people they can pick on and get away with it. As such, they go looking for people at this time of year for people who are too beaten down to hit back. Those people suck, as Amy pointed out, and if they are inclined to believe in God, they better be expecting a special little talk to happen when they finally meet Him.

[ 21. December 2014, 23:29: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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Kelly Alves

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Oh, and once again, this shit:
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Huh.

For my part, everytime someone has randomly unloaded on me, then labeled my reaction as oversensitive, there has usually been a followup conversation about how their dog is striken with canker sores or something, and they are agonizing about it, and therefore I need to be compassionate and spare them the natural consequences of their behavior, because they are having feely feelings that natually deserve way more repect than anyone else's. False self can manifest itself a lot of ways.

Sometimes I just want to say, "Are you aware of how transparently you are taking your shit out on everyone else? That whatever adjectives and judgments you are flinging around can be traced directly back to what you think of yourself? Or do you really think your proclaiming this-or-that person a loser or a whiner or a waste of space flings them in front of you like a human shield, and nobody can see how close to a nervous breakdown YOU are?"

Like I said, I am currently not in a downswing, but I am up enough to be really angry at people who like to keep people down.

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Twilight

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Just go ahead and say it, Kelly! I think it would do them good -- well it would do me good if you come back and tell us about it. [Two face]

Every year at about this time, I look up the date of Ash Wednesday, (February 18, 2015.) It helps me to know that, after slightly forcing this mood elevation through the Christmas season, I can look forward to a definite day when I can release the weight and sink back to my natural state.

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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
Every year at about this time, I look up the date of Ash Wednesday, (February 18, 2015.) It helps me to know that, after slightly forcing this mood elevation through the Christmas season, I can look forward to a definite day when I can release the weight and sink back to my natural state.

Twilight, that's inspirational.

On the other hand maybe I'll just hibernate until the middle of January.

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O bugger. It's been a while, but Black Dog has had me in its claws for the past week or so. WTF? I'm sitting here crying, for God's sake, for no bloody apparent reason at all.

Church has been stressful over Christmas, so I've taken a few days out, but it really was NOT helpful to have the Vicar describe depression as 'what the Devil wants'.................

[Votive] [Votive] [Votive] [Votive]

for all those weeping today.....

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Lia
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(....maybe I am stil so new I can offer hugs even in Hell?)

And as for me, fuck hope when it dies yet again and takes with it my first attempt at a relationship in many years.

So now that I don't even know why he changed his mind, I feel lonlier than ever and am raking around in endless heartbreak.

Fuck this dispair which literally takes my breath away and engulfs my days. No idea how will manage at work tomorrow - am supposed to manage people and can't even control my emotions!

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Bishops Finger
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Fuck this being Hell... but...

((Lia))

Been there....

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Huia
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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Church has been stressful over Christmas, so I've taken a few days out, but it really was NOT helpful to have the Vicar describe depression as 'what the Devil wants'.................

[Votive] [Votive] [Votive] [Votive]

for all those weeping today.....

Ian J.

What an incredibly stupid thing to say. Has s/he any pastoral skills at all?

Huia

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Kelly Alves

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I know. How smug and insensitive.

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quote:
Originally posted by JoannaP:
quote:
Originally posted by rolyn:
I am though pretty certain that if I went to a doctor with claims of sleeplessness and feeling down then Ad's would be duly provided. I've always vowed not to go down that road unless that frigging Mutt drags me right onto the floor.
A view no doubt commendable in the 50s but possibly regarded as somewhat reckless these days. Sobeit.

If you think you will get a extra shiny harp as a reward for stoically enduring, knock yourself out but please do not inflict this attitude on anybody else. If you thought you might have diabetes, would you refuse to discuss it with your doctor?
This. Waiting so long to get on anti-depressants nearly killed me. I started with talk therapy, which has done me a world of good. But when there's also a biochemical problem, talking can only do so much.

rolyn, at least talk to your doctor or to a therapist. (FYI: many people have both a talk therapist and a meds prescriber.) You can always turn down meds, but at least give yourself a chance to find out about them.

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I'm going to issue the standard Ship's disclaimer here:

This is an internet bulletin board, and not a suitable replacement for actual medical advice from an actual medical professional. Those suffering from recognised and sometimes treatable illnesses are generally advised to see their usual doctor.

DT
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
O bugger. It's been a while, but Black Dog has had me in its claws for the past week or so. WTF? I'm sitting here crying, for God's sake, for no bloody apparent reason at all.

I call this the random eye leakage. When I'm doing whatever in my slightly pathetic life and suddenly I find I'm crying for no reason. Random eye leakage sucks particularly in company.

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Yup: the worst thing being that if someone notices, they might (not unreasonably) ask what's wrong. And I have no chat for that.

I should really learn to say: "I'm feeling low/blue/depressed/unwell." But .......

I've been off work today, and just told my dad on the phone that I've had 'a temperature'. Bleurch.

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When I went to work the other day with eyes that looked like doughnuts after crying all night, I told my colleagues I had conjunctivitis....

They let me get away with it, perhaps because they were even more embarrassed than me!

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Depression caused me to leave this lovely Ship, and this 'lovely' board several years ago very suddenly when I was in the middle of hosting it. It's been one of the only times in my life when I had something serious to do and just abandoned it. I'm very sorry.

Depression has hit me several times since, and I'm just recovering from an especially painful bout.

Fuck depression right in the ear.

Solidarity with all of you posting here.

t

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Mere Nick
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quote:
Originally posted by Teufelchen:
Depression caused me to leave this lovely Ship, and this 'lovely' board several years ago very suddenly when I was in the middle of hosting it. It's been one of the only times in my life when I had something serious to do and just abandoned it. I'm very sorry.

Depression has hit me several times since, and I'm just recovering from an especially painful bout.

Fuck depression right in the ear.

Solidarity with all of you posting here.

t

Were you being treated for it when it would come back?

I had a horrible bout back in the fall of 2011. My doctor explained what was happening to me. Just having an explanation helped a good bit. He put me on citalopram and things have been ok since. However, I do wonder if the dog is hiding next to one of the monsters that are under my bed.

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quote:
Originally posted by Teufelchen:
Solidarity with all of you posting here.

Its good to see you again. I remember you well - oddly I remember a very detailed discussion we had about the definition of the word satanic, which seems to fit your name and avater.

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Teufelchen
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
Were you being treated for it when it would come back?

NHS cuts have meant I've run up against some fairly appalling gatekeeping. This time round, all I was offered was some counselling over the phone with someone who's a psychiatric nurse, but not a fully qualified psychiatrist. And these sessions were scheduled during working hours. They often clashed with meetings, and my employers (who are a disability charity!) insist that all time taken for medical appointments must be made up later. If I missed more than one phone interview, I'd be thrown off the course.

I quit, so as not to get yet another black mark on my NHS record.

So yes, I'm essentially untreated, and the black dog may come skipping back at any point. That said, having seen what sudden mandatory withdrawal from tricyclics did to my partner the other year, I'm not totally sure I want drugs either. What I want is to be seen by any fully qualified mental health specialist at all, but apparently I'd have to be more dangerous to myself or others to get that.

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Bloody hell, Teufelchen - that's awful. The attitude of your employer is a particular low point (from an outsider's point of view). I hope you get better support soon (but I'm not hopeful of that, given what you've said).
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quote:
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Bloody hell, Teufelchen - that's awful. The attitude of your employer is a particular low point (from an outsider's point of view). I hope you get better support soon (but I'm not hopeful of that, given what you've said).

I'm trying, within the constraints of childcare activity, to draw closer to friends with similar experiences. So far, that's been a far better way to cope than work or the NHS.

And I may call my employers to Hell separately for this and other reasons in a bit. I am not a happy imp.

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quote:
Originally posted by Teufelchen:
NHS cuts have meant I've run up against some fairly appalling gatekeeping.

Are there not generic drugs there? I get mine from a pharmacy in a grocery store and it costs $9 for a 90 day supply. A small price to pay to keep the black dog away.

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You can be prescribed anti-depressants by a GP, without ever seeing a psychiatrist - though that is not always what is appropriate. Psychiatrists don't typically offer talking treatments.

Lots of areas offered stepped care approaches to talking treatments, starting with assisted self-help on the phone, working up to face to face manualised therapy, to a pyschologist doing cbt etc etc.

Telephone counselling is less than ideal, thresholds have risen owing to lack of resources - but such approaches are offered to make at least some support available rather than nothing at all until someone is in crisis.

It would be unusual for talking therapy appointments, or psychiatry appointments, to be offered outside normal working hours, except by crisis teams.

Mental health services have just never been resourced as well as physical health services and it is a crying shame.

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Originally posted by Teufelchen:
NHS cuts have meant I've run up against some fairly appalling gatekeeping.

Are there not generic drugs there? I get mine from a pharmacy in a grocery store and it costs $9 for a 90 day supply. A small price to pay to keep the black dog away.
We have plenty of generic drugs, but psychoactives are not available over the counter. If I were prescribed (say) Prozac, I'd pay the standard prescription charge for it, rather than the alleged market rate. And I wouldn't get any specific brand - I'd be given whatever the pharmacist had in, as long as it was the right preparation of the right quantity of the right active ingredient.

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quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink.:
It would be unusual for talking therapy appointments, or psychiatry appointments, to be offered outside normal working hours, except by crisis teams.

Here in California, some talk therapists and psychiatrists have evening hours once or twice a week.


Teufelchen--Good to see you back! [Smile] IANAD, but maybe a supervised support group could help? And here, some therapists, psychiatrists, clinics, and charities offer a sliding fee scale. Here, you usually can go straight to a therapist/psychiatrist, without getting your GP's approval, unless your insurance requires it. FWIW, YMMV.

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Teufelchen--Good to see you back! [Smile] IANAD, but maybe a supervised support group could help? And here, some therapists, psychiatrists, clinics, and charities offer a sliding fee scale. Here, you usually can go straight to a therapist/psychiatrist, without getting your GP's approval, unless your insurance requires it. FWIW, YMMV.

Sadly, with two children to raise, I can't afford to go private on my own initiative at all.

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*ahem*

I would like to remind The Assembled that there are good places for seeking friendly advice, general help, or commiseration (but Not Therapy) on the Ship, but that Hell is not one of them. Actually, it might be the worst place. Great place to vent and swear at the demons that sap your life, passion, and vitality leaving you an inert, burnt out, and bitter lump when there's work to be done (and bikes to be ridden on the one nice winter day we're getting for two months—fuck all you little perverse imps, by the way); not so great for other things.

You might just want to take this somewhere else. Please.

—A, HH

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Seriously, what he said. When we have two Hostly memos on the same point visible on the same page, there's a risk of having the thread locked - which would be a shame, as telling the black dog to get to fuck is sometimes all we have left.

DT
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I am not a happy imp.

t

- but a nice imp to see back.

And absolutely.
Fuck it in the ear. With a tractor. A really big red tractor being driven by a really angry cactus which is cackling maniacally.
Fuck it royally and rollockingly.
Fuck it while gulping salaciously from a big medieval-style jewelled goblet of whatever you fancy (mine's an Irn Bru).
Fuck it, them [whichever 'them' suits at the time] and anything else that deserves fucking (and not in a good way).

Let's all grab some pitchforks and chase it off. Run the bastard right out of town. Even if it doesn't work, it'll give us all a nice little jog in the company of people who've some idea of what the whole depression thing's about, and we'll take some flaming torches to keep us warm.
And if we can't bring ourselves to run today, send it a note, or consider giving it a hard stare.

<sigh>

Fuck it all.

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And today the black dog is nipping at my heels, trying to convince me that...

...people who do amazing things for me secretly don't love me...
...I'm blocked by lots of people on the internet forums I use, for reasons no-one dares tell me...
...it's not worth my while making an effort to do things properly.

All of these things are almost certainly bullshit, but there they are again.

Fuck depression. Seriously.

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I hear you.

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quote:
Originally posted by Teufelchen:
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Originally posted by Mere Nick:
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Originally posted by Teufelchen:
NHS cuts have meant I've run up against some fairly appalling gatekeeping.

Are there not generic drugs there? I get mine from a pharmacy in a grocery store and it costs $9 for a 90 day supply. A small price to pay to keep the black dog away.
We have plenty of generic drugs, but psychoactives are not available over the counter. If I were prescribed (say) Prozac, I'd pay the standard prescription charge for it, rather than the alleged market rate. And I wouldn't get any specific brand - I'd be given whatever the pharmacist had in, as long as it was the right preparation of the right quantity of the right active ingredient.

t

Mine are not over the counter, either. When I'm about out I call the Dr's office and they call the pharmacy and tell them to work up another supply. At $3 for thirty, we normally buy 3 months worth. Is it really that more difficult where you live to get your prescription?

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Mine are not over the counter, either. When I'm about out I call the Dr's office and they call the pharmacy and tell them to work up another supply. At $3 for thirty, we normally buy 3 months worth. Is it really that more difficult where you live to get your prescription?

As this is a Hell thread, and (as noted above) not an advice thread, I'll be blunt:

You seem to know nothing about mental health care on the NHS. If you want a thread about that, start one.

Which bit of my protracted rant about gatekeeping wasn't clear? I've been fucked around by the people whose job it is to help me. It's good and wise that GPs don't hand out prozac like [S]candy[/S] sweets. It's not so good or wise that the people whose job it is to determine who gets the prozac are underfunded and mired in bureaucracy. If this isn't clear, please re-read.

Do you know one thing that depresses me? People not taking my experience of depression seriously when I report it.

t

PS: 'Where I am' is London, UK. It says so under each of my posts.

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I believe you, Teuf. I've been banging my head against the same deplorable gatekeeping all this week.

Oh, and black dog? Get the fuck out of my life you cunting bastard mongrel unclefucker.

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A -fucking -men to that.

[ 22. January 2015, 00:27: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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A note that drug prices vary by country. Now that I have crappy but expensive ACA insurance a couple of my drugs are available in Canada for $80 for a 90 day supply that cost $500 in the United States. It's illegal but tolerated apparently. We shall see.

I'll just poke at the Washington state health insurance organization. Having had to take two months and many calls and complaints to get my insurance, This week I found out how useless the promise I could pay a monthly payment directly to the insurance company and not have to suffer a week or two outage because the state lack the competence to pay the company in the same month. It turns out the insurance company just gives the check back to the state who pays them directly, so I'm going to have to deal with this every month. Damn their eyes.

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I want to scream, to bellow white hot, incandescent rage to make the heavens tremble. But I cannot, I just fucking cannot. Fuck. Soditallfuckinggodamit

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quote:
Originally posted by Teufelchen:

You seem to know nothing about mental health care on the NHS.

That must explain why I was asking questions. From what I have gathered thus far, though, it sucks.

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Which bit of my protracted rant about gatekeeping wasn't clear?
Most all of it, probably. I've never heard of such a thing here. It's between my doctor and me.

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I've been fucked around by the people whose job it is to help me.
Maybe their job is to fuck you around.

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It's good and wise that GPs don't hand out prozac like [S]candy[/S] sweets. It's not so good or wise that the people whose job it is to determine who gets the prozac are underfunded and mired in bureaucracy. If this isn't clear, please re-read.
Right. Your Dr. can write a prescription, but then he really can't, it seems. I've no doubt the swells and the connected get what they want.

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Do you know one thing that depresses me? People not taking my experience of depression seriously when I report it.
I'm sure it does.

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PS: 'Where I am' is London, UK. It says so under each of my posts.
Yes, so?

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What tells is this fiction of a National Health Service. Service (and for that matter, health) varies according to where the clinical professionals want to live and what specialism they want to practice. If I'm really lucky I get to see my neurologist in 8 weeks, and I'm fortunate, for South Wales at any rate.

That's my personal experience, and he is a good one.

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