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Just an interesting question on my part. I have wide-ish feet 4E, and have not bought shoes off the rack for a few decades (One of the advantages of being in a wheelchair is that shoes last forever)
My "dress shoes" are beginning to look tacky. I was looking at a pair in a store which I quite like - they have velcro closings, and I have been informed that they are quite wide for a standard shoe.
So tell me, O shipmates, what width are standard off-the-rack shoes? The clerk couldn't help.
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I thought the standard width for shoes was "C" - "A" and "B" being on the continuum for narrower feet, "D" and upward on the continuum for wider feet.
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Does anyone know where the expression "fell pregnant" originated? For some reason it annoys me intensely - I think it's because I associate it in my mind with people being seen as fallen.
I know it may have no connection whatsoever, but daoes anyome know, or can you help me to a useful website?
Huia
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Fall pregnant has always made sense. It is a take on the verb 'to befall' - to happen to [someone]
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Standard for Shoe width for men is D and women B, I am fairly certain.
Not that it is more than a rough guide. Deuced things vary so much it is frustrating.
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For women in the UK the standard width is definitely not B. I suspect it varies between C and D depending on the shoe manufacturer.
[ETA That's probably not massively interesting to PeteC anyway...]
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Originally posted by Huia:
Does anyone know where the expression "fell pregnant" originated? For some reason it annoys me intensely - I think it's because I associate it in my mind with people being seen as fallen.
Annoys me too because it implies people get pregnant by accident.
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Ok what essential piece of news have I missed?
After years when I rarely heard of rough sleepers, this winter there seems to be a number of them (three separate reports to date). Has something changed and I not spotted it? Or do they just appear when we have a Conservative government?
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Possibly, although in Leeds we are currently on a cold-weather protocol so there are (allegedly) no rough sleepers to be found out on the streets.
I suspect the debate about rough sleepers got binned in favour of dealing with drugs and criminal justice.
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Originally posted by PeteC:
Fall pregnant has always made sense. It is a take on the verb 'to befall' - to happen to [someone]
Thanks Pete.
I still don't like it as it sounds like something that just happens to a woman, rather than her having any active involvement.
I also take Ken's point about it sounding accidental, although I suppose historically it is something over which a vast number of women didn't have a lot of control.
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Originally posted by Huia:
I still don't like it as it sounds like something that just happens to a woman, rather than her having any active involvement.
You also fall ill, or fall asleep or fall to thinking of the old days. It just indicates a change of state.
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Or do they just appear when we have a Conservative government?
That would be the lesson of experience.
Also unemployment has been rising for years, yet house prices are still rising - in real terms they are perhaps four or five times higher than they were in the 1970s when mass unemployment came back - so we'd expect a housing crisis.
The only solution to the inevitable housing crisis is for prices to fall to a quarter of what they are now. Which would wipe vast quantities of capital out of millions of people (including me)
Essentially British housing market is in that old ethical dilemma - would it be right for ten people to imprison and torture one innocent person in order to improve their own lives slightly? (If not ten a hundred? A million?)
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Originally posted by Huia:
... I suppose historically it is something over which a vast number of women didn't have a lot of control.
But somebody still had to do something.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
You also fall ill, or fall asleep...
That's the exact point. Those are involuntary or unconscious things (though you can make them more or less likely). No-one can choose to go to sleep. You just have to wait around until it happens.
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But you could be having all the (non-contraceptived) sex you like, you still don't have control over whether or not the actual conception occurs. So, similarly, you have to wait around to find out if it's happening.
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Originally posted by ken:
quote:
Originally posted by Huia:
... I suppose historically it is something over which a vast number of women didn't have a lot of control.
But somebody still had to do something.
And for most of history that somebody was male and the woman was often 'done to' rather than 'doing'. Seduction, rape, 'wifely duty' - whatever the excuse, the woman is the one who ends up pregnant when she perhaps really didn't want to be.
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Originally posted by jlg:
And for most of history that somebody was male and the woman was often 'done to' rather than 'doing'. Seduction, rape, 'wifely duty' - whatever the excuse, the woman is the one who ends up pregnant when she perhaps really didn't want to be.
I almost choked on my dinner one evening at a diner-type restaurant in the Land of Comet. Two men were sitting in the booth behind me grumbling about their finances. One complained that "The wife went and got herself pregnant."
How she managed this on her own I don't know, but it was obviously done just to annoy him.
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Can someone please explain why Norman St. John-Stevas is pronounced:
"Sinjun"-Stevas
Was it a left-over from his youth?
Is it a class/breeding thing?
Did it come from Norman-French "Saint Jean"?
Another one is, should I say "Fanshaw" for Featherstone-Haugh.
Any etymographers in the house?
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I've always thought "St. John" as a name was pronounced "Sinjun." It seems a pretty natural contraction in English and it's certainly not unique to him
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I have always heard 'Fister' (or perhaps 'Fisterer') used as the pronounciation for Feathersone-Haugh, but I can see that 'Fanshaw' would be equally logical (if logic enters into it at all!) ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Along the same lines, am I correct that St Mary's, Rotherhithe is called 'Redriff'? (I don't trust my source.)
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Originally posted by NJA:
Can someone please explain why Norman St. John-Stevas is pronounced:
"Sinjun"-Stevas
Was it a left-over from his youth?
Is it a class/breeding thing?
Did it come from Norman-French "Saint Jean"?
Another one is, should I say "Fanshaw" for Featherstone-Haugh.
Any etymographers in the house?
I notice that Wiki has a page on 'counterintuitive pronunciation' issues, which may be helpful. Or not. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Huia:
Does anyone know where the expression "fell pregnant" originated? For some reason it annoys me intensely - I think it's because I associate it in my mind with people being seen as fallen.
I know it may have no connection whatsoever, but daoes anyome know, or can you help me to a useful website?
Huia
French's got this as well, in 'tomber enceinte'. I wonder if there's a Latin equivalent?
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Originally posted by Wesley J:
I notice that Wiki has a page on 'counterintuitive pronunciation' issues, which may be helpful. Or not.
Thanks, I thought of showing that to friends from abroad but I can't think of a more boring way of learning English.
If someone wrote a book explaining how some of these alternatives came about, that would be interesting.
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On the subject of fibres, I'm told that linen has very low electorstatic charge emission compared to other fibres, synthetic ones especially, can anyone explain why
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Originally posted by georgiaboy:
Along the same lines, am I correct that St Mary's, Rotherhithe is called 'Redriff'? (I don't trust my source.)
Friend of mine was organist there; he pronounced it as you would expect. But he didn't live there, so the real locals might say it Redriff. (Local pronunciations keep outsiders - um - out )
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Originally posted by Wesley J:
quote:
Originally posted by Huia:
Does anyone know where the expression "fell pregnant" originated? For some reason it annoys me intensely - I think it's because I associate it in my mind with people being seen as fallen.
I know it may have no connection whatsoever, but daoes anyome know, or can you help me to a useful website?
Huia
French's got this as well, in 'tomber enceinte'. I wonder if there's a Latin equivalent?
Could be - Spanish is caer embarazada ...
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Originally posted by georgiaboy:
Along the same lines, am I correct that St Mary's, Rotherhithe is called 'Redriff'? (I don't trust my source.)
Never heard that. Most people I've met from Rotherhithe pronounce it "Rovrive"
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Today I picked up a roadkill weasel (maybe a mink?). The pelt is in excellent condition and I am considering trying to skin and cure it. Not that I have any experience with this sort of thing.
However, the short ride home with it in the car made it clear that the musk glands got squished. Does this mean the pelt will stink forever more?
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Originally posted by georgiaboy:
Along the same lines, am I correct that St Mary's, Rotherhithe is called 'Redriff'? (I don't trust my source.)
There's a "St. Mary's Redcliffe," I know...?
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(Actually, this page has something interesting about the "Rotherhithe/Redriff" issue. Quote:
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I wondered about where I live: the Rotherhithe peninsula in south east London. ...
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The answer to Henry’s question is that in non-rhotic accents such as RP and London /r/ and /h/ are mutually exclusive in names like this. In this respect Rotherhithe is comparable to Leatherhead and Wolverhampton. ...
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Jenn- my reply in "this land is your land". Let me know if I can be of any more help.
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What is this place?
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Saw it and responded. I suppose we might limit the gross-out factor to the USA people, rather than littering Heaven. (Why do I hear this faint background noise of "Eeewwww, she picked up a dead animal and she wants to do what with it! Eeewwww."?
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I pick up bits of dead animal all the time (rub them with garlic, herbs and oil and cook them usually).
But OTOH, if you find something furry under the wheels of your car round here, it is apt to be cat.
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What? They don't talk about skins and tanning on This Sceptred Isle? Or maybe about different forms of the words!
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Originally posted by PeteC:
Just an interesting question on my part. I have wide-ish feet 4E, and have not bought shoes off the rack for a few decades (One of the advantages of being in a wheelchair is that shoes last forever)
My "dress shoes" are beginning to look tacky. I was looking at a pair in a store which I quite like - they have velcro closings, and I have been informed that they are quite wide for a standard shoe.
So tell me, O shipmates, what width are standard off-the-rack shoes? The clerk couldn't help.
Pete - it may be too late, but the answer is D for men's shoes, and B for women's. Individual shoes or certain brands may run wider or narrower than others (Nike's, for example, tend to run narrower than the norm). It sounds like - wheelchair or no - those shoes would not allow proper blood circulation.
(I used to sell shoes in 2 different family shoe stores)
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I am trying to remember the details / provenance of a folk tale / pious story I read years ago.
It involves an old hermit who has food delivered to him by a dove every day. One day a visitor tells him of a public hanging in a nearby town, and he says "Good! He probably deserved it". That day the dove ceases to come and he is told that this is a divine judgement because of his unsympathetic attitude. He has to wander the world begging from now on.
After several years of this he is attacked by bandits but the bandit chief's daughter (? I think) prevails upon them to spare him. He tells them his life story whereupon the bandit chief is terrified - "God did that to you just for *saying* something wrong? What sort of punishment are *we* going to get then?" - so all the bandits are immediately converted and become monks!!!
There is a happy ending because the hermit dies (frozen to death in the snow ISTR), but his staff sprouts some shoots to show that he has finally been forgiven...
Does anyone know where this somewhat ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) story comes from?
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Originally posted by Firenze:
I pick up bits of dead animal all the time (rub them with garlic, herbs and oil and cook them usually).
But OTOH, if you find something furry under the wheels of your car round here, it is apt to be cat.
Just had a fabulously maccabre conversation with my daughter about the lovely clothing you could make from cat hides. I think I'm going to hell.
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Originally posted by comet:
Just had a fabulously maccabre conversation with my daughter about the lovely clothing you could make from cat hides. I think I'm going to hell.
Well, I hope I see you there. I can quite relate to a discussion about clothing made from cat hides. Many kitties do have nice pelts, though not as soft as bunny skins.
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I'll be the one in the siamese parka.
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Gives a whole new dimension to the idea of a catsuit.
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Originally posted by Lothlorien:
quote:
Originally posted by comet:
I'll be the one in the siamese parka.
Better watch out for Campbellite . ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
I think it sounds like an excellent cooperative situation. Campbellite gets the meat and comet gets the skins.
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Would now be a bad time to mention this book? ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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Originally posted by piglet:
Would now be a bad time to mention this book?
It sold very well from our Cathedral bookshop when first punlished. What it says about our book stockist and/or our customers I'm not sure.
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My work here is done.
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Originally posted by Zappa:
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I've think I've lost the plot here
![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif) ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif)
It's a reference to this thread in Limbo
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Given the conversation above does anyone want a Beagle which is known to kill kittens?
A cousin has one going spare.
Unfortunately I suspect on the wrong continent for most people here.
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Given the conversation above does anyone want a Beagle which is known to kill kittens?
A cousin has one going spare.
Unfortunately I suspect on the wrong continent for most people here.
Jengie
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Originally posted by TurquoiseTastic:
I am trying to remember the details / provenance of a folk tale / pious story I read years ago.
<snip>
Does anyone know where this somewhat story comes from?
Boy that sounds Russian! I've never heard it but then I've only read one anthology of Russian tales.
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