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[tangent] Jake is short for Jacob. That's just a standard abbrevation.
But also, Jacob is a form of the name James. And in French at least, James/Jacob takes the form Jacques. Jack came into English from late medieval French, but became associated for some reason I don't know with John (for which it was the usual nickname for a couple of centuries), rather than with James.
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Originally posted by The Bede's American Successor:
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Originally posted by Comper's Child:
Wondering if those who've seen the film have come away with any understanding of the importance of evangelical religion in the background of the main characters. Did religion have an impact on them?
Precious little, if any.
Really? I wonder if the lack of any explicit religious dimension, albeit plenty of implicit connnotations, doesn't belie the real presence (pun intended) of an evangelical religious background. My point earlier about the inability to separate the norms of society from religious belief gets at this point. The societal norm, rooted in an evangelical religious understanding of sexuality, is what is constraining the characters from coming to understand their sexuality in a healthy and meaningful way. It is, in fact, the central tension of the film/story.
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Originally posted by badman:
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Originally posted by teddybear:
I just came across a very good review of the movie that I wanted to share:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18712
Thanks for this. It's unbelievably biphobic isn't it? Or bi-miopic anyway. In that, I think it does the film an injustice. The film is more interesting than you would guess from the review.
A couple of other things I would point out about that review: first, spoilers galore, so be warned those who haven't bothered to look it up yet.
Second, he states that what makes this film fundamentally different from any other "forbidden love" story is that the heroes hate themselves for what they feel, not just the external constraints that keep them away from their beloved. I'm not so sure that's unique to this story. No doubt there are straight people who fell deeply in love with someone else when they were already married who felt pretty darn crummy about themselves at the time! (However it may have turned out.)
Absolutely. Not only is there a very strong straight modern parallel in Brief Encounter , which has been raised before on this thread, but yesterday it occurred to me that a paradigm case of the lover who is ashamed of his feelings would be Sir Lancelot, whose love for Guinevere is not only adulterous but treason as well.
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Originally posted by CDLauffer:
My point is that society has never barred anyone from being together with anyone else.
What a lie. The hell it hasn't. This film takes place in Amerika, where what those two young men did up on the mountain was against the law, probably felonious, in every State in the Union until 1962, when Illinois repealed its prohibition of "sodomy." (Guess where I moved as soon as I was out of college?) It took at least that long in England, too. The laws in some States hung on until the Supreme Court knocked them over just a few years ago. Even now they nibble around the edges; e.g. while it may be o.k. to have gay sex, you can still get busted for talking as though you're looking for it.
Besides, if homosex is as strange and inconsequential and unnatural as the stuffed shirts depict it, it's marvelous how the same stuffed shirts imagine that it could possibly rise to the status of adultery.
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine quote:
Have any straight people on the ship seen it?
I’m straight and I’ve seen it but have also just joined the ship. It annoys me when people call it the gay cowboy movie (and I called it that myself before going to see it) when it is so much more than that, it’s a love story and so much more than just homosexual sex. It really was a beautiful film and tugs on your heartstrings a lot. It was a bit awkward during the "love" scene as I was with my dad but was very convincing seeing they are both straight and also close friends. In my opinion out of all the films I’ve seen (and my friends know that’s ALOT). This is one of the best and is also very brave. There I’m done with my rant now!!
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Thanks Forever_standing_strong for "coming out" as a straight member of the ship's company. It is a great film and it seems you figured out how simple yet complex it is!
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Originally posted by Comper's child:It is a great film and it seems you figured out how simple yet complex it is!
Indeed i have, im the biggest critic on films ever so you know where i am if you have a queery ive seen almost everything! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Luke:
Brian Godawa's movie blog provides an interesting analysis of [i]Brokeback Mountain
Eek! Interesting in the sense that a specimen scorpion can be interesting. And analysis in the sense of anal.
We do know, don't we, what a quote from Rushdoony standing at the head of a web page implies about the blogger's theological stance? He'd gladly see both of the protagonists executed as per Leviticus et al. Standing below that, his remarks on this film were so unsurprising as to be virtually redundant.
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So, Brokeback Crashed at the Oscars after all. A surprise?
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Ingo:
Damn shame too. Brokeback was much the better movie. Better acting, better script.
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Not really surprised. Too controversial. The academy didn't want to get put at the center of the controversey.
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Oh Fionn,
I must disagree. Crash is 10 times the movie Brokeback was. I cheered when it won, it so deserved it. Crash made me feel the characters whoile lives and their hearts in 20 seconds or less, something Ang Lee couldn't do in the whole length of his film.
On top of that, Crash was and original screenplay, not a drawn out short story like Brokeback, which shold have remained a short story in my opinion. Classic case of the book being miles better than the movie.
I must be the only person on the continent who nodded off during Brokeback. I found it shallow and tedious.
Bravo Paul Haggis & Co.
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AFF:
I couldn't connect with the characters in 'CRASH'. The language set my teeth on edge and I a frequent urge to strangle, shoot, stab, or otherwise to violence to the characters.
I could at least connect to the characters in Brokeback. They seemed human. In CRASH the characters seemed to be walking stereotypical bigots . I grew up with racial bigots and have tendencies but even in my youth I didn't here such s**t.
But to everyone their own.
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Originally posted by phoenix_811:
Not really surprised. Too controversial. The academy didn't want to get put at the center of the controversey.
I haven't seen either Brokeback Mountain or Crash. From everything I hear, they are both good movies. But far from being controversial, I would think Brokeback Mountain is mainly of historical interest and therefore marginal relevance.
Prior to Stonewall, it was customary for any novel or short story about gays to be a sob story like this. Lives full of heartache, unhappy ending... the poor homosexuals, we could feel sorry for them, but what good would it do. I read enough of them before I got out of college to last me a lifetime.
So why would I want to see a cinematic rehash? It's so-o-o 60s.
The pity is that, after books for and about adults started breaking the mold, the whole cycle replayed in young people's literature. Only recently can gay kids find stories that end happily or otherwise validate and celebrate their sexuality.
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Originally posted by A Feminine Force:
I must be the only person on the continent who nodded off during Brokeback. I found it shallow and tedious.
Not sure about your continent but my friend fell asleep in it and so found its power greatly diminished. She also fell asleep in Good Night, and Good Luck. I despair of her I really do.
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I'm fairly sure there are people posting on these boards, Gordon who have been through similar situations (married to someone who has subsequently come out as gay) and no-one would minimise it.
However the other premise which the item draws on (heartless gay crowd laughs at cheated wife in Brokeback) comes from an earlier column by the same controversial conservative op-ed columnist Miranda Devine (More of her columns here) She claims second-hand at the end of that piece " Chick flick with a hint of misogyny" that an unnamed 'gay friend' told her that a gay audience callously laughed at the wife at that point in the movie.
Isn't it funny how a controversial right-wing columnist who's paid to shock would have such a convenient source of gossip for a smear story like that?
When I saw Brokeback I went with a gay male friend and in front of us were a bunch of female teenagers who at the most moving part at the end were giggling and making facetious comments. I suppose I could start implying that women as a group are heartless homophobes and immediately write a newspaper op-ed column to that effect. That sort of thinking seems to work for Miranda Devine, so why not?
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Not surprised, but disheartened. I've seen both, and while Crash has an excellent "handle" on the LA cops/American racism problem, I'd thought at least theoretically that the "Academy Awards" had something to do with the artistry of filmmaking. We all know it's become a question of the more obvious political points being made and indeed racism in the US won't go away.
Brokeback Mountain? by far the better film...
Then again, there are far fewer gay people to worry about.
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
I'd like Gordon to go see it and report back on his own reaction.
I like Ang Lee stuff and I wouldn't mind doing that. But I'm told there is a portrayal of anal sex. I try to avoid watching movies that include depictions of either hetero- or homosexual intercourse.
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Why?
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Sometimes I've found it personally unhelpful, other times distasteful. I don't like the idea of actors being asked to engage in implied or actual intercourse on my account, even if they do it willingly. I don't like people using me as an excuse to see movies that they otherwise wouldn't, and would cause them personal difficulties in regard to their fantasy life. All the usual stuff.
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Originally posted by Gordon Cheng:
Sometimes I've found it personally unhelpful, other times distasteful. I don't like the idea of actors being asked to engage in implied or actual intercourse on my account, even if they do it willingly. I don't like people using me as an excuse to see movies that they otherwise wouldn't, and would cause them personal difficulties in regard to their fantasy life. All the usual stuff.
![[Confused]](confused.gif) But Gordon they are not doing it on your account, they would be doing it whether or not you watched the film yourself.
Anyway I'm glad to hear you don't make a distinction between heterosexual and homosexual sex scenes, and try to avoid them both - at least you are consistent ![[Biased]](wink.gif) Mind you I would have thought this meant there were very few films available that you would allow yourself to see? ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Originally posted by Gordon Cheng:
..I don't like people using me as an excuse to see movies that they otherwise wouldn't ...
Could you expand on this, please?
Also, FWIW, I've seen the film in the UK. There were no inappropriate audience reactions in my cinema, with a very mixed age audience.
As explained in several places further up the thread, there is only one brief scene each of homo- and hetero- sex. The intercourse is "implied" only very lightly (UK Cert 15, Aus Cert M) and is hardly a "depiction". I don't know you, Gordon, apart from on board the Ship, but I find it difficult to understand how anyone might find these scenes "unhelpful" or "distasteful" in the context of the whole film.
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Originally posted by Gordon Cheng:
Sometimes I've found it personally unhelpful, other times distasteful. I don't like the idea of actors being asked to engage in implied or actual intercourse on my account, even if they do it willingly. I don't like people using me as an excuse to see movies that they otherwise wouldn't, and would cause them personal difficulties in regard to their fantasy life. All the usual stuff.
So it's not OK to see even a few seconds of implied sex in a movie tackling violence and injustice, but it's fine to post to bulletin boards sensational articles based on second-hand reports and gossip which try to smear gay people as callous. Thanks for clearing that up, Gordon.
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Originally posted by Gordon Cheng:
I like Ang Lee stuff and I wouldn't mind doing that. But I'm told there is a portrayal of anal sex. I try to avoid watching movies that include depictions of either hetero- or homosexual intercourse.
If you've seen Ang Lee's stuff, then you've seen sex before. Or do you like him from afar? Or have you only seen "the Hulk"?
Kelly// another Ang Lee fan.
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Originally posted by Gordon Cheng:
I'd be interested in a discussion of the ethics of what we watch on another thread, more as a general question rather than one about viewing sexual intercourse.
Ok, although I still don't understand your second "I don't like", as I questioned above. However, on this thread, we're interested in your views on BBM.
You haven't seen the film. And despite Sine's invitation and your saying: quote:
I like Ang Lee stuff and I wouldn't mind doing that.
it seems that you're unlikely to see it. Ok, fair enough, that's your choice.
However, you chose join the thread and bump it up after four days' break to post a link to a highly tendentious columnist. So your point is ...?
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Originally posted by Gordon Cheng:
Actually I've seen Crouching Tiger Hidden Whatsit but I can't remember what else. The Hulk is on my list.
I'd be interested in a discussion of the ethics of what we watch on another thread, more as a general question rather than one about viewing sexual intercourse.
But sex is, when last I looked, very much part of the human experience, but if you find it distasteful okay. What passes for sex scenes in Brokeback Mtn is so mild and implied by today's standards that few would, IMO, take umbrage unless one feels same-sex dare not depict itself - which is another matter altogether.
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Originally posted by ezlxq:
However, you chose join the thread and bump it up after four days' break to post a link to a highly tendentious columnist. So your point is ...?
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I read the opinion piece. I read lots of opinion pieces by all sorts of tendentious people. I even read the Ship of Fools. But I was interested by the report of the woman regarding her gay husband's departure and the effect it had on her and her children. I suppose I'm assuming the account is true, and I posted it here for people to read as it has some relevance to the OP. I also assumed that after four days of thread dormancy, I wasn't interrupting anybody else's discussion.
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Sorry, but if the guy hasn't seen The Wedding Banquet and The Ice Storm, he really hasn't seen Ang Lee. To heck with the flashy Hollywood stuff.
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Actually Kelly I did see The Wedding Banquet, quite some time ago on the telly. It was a hoot. And, a really good piece of film making, with attractive characters and a real warmth.
I can't remember whether it had implied sex in it or not, but obviously it was toned down for Oz TV, and TBH I'm not really watching it to keep count of whether it crosses a line or not.
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Originally posted by Gordon Cheng:
But I was interested by the report of the woman regarding her gay husband's departure and the effect it had on her and her children.
Ok, Gordon, here's a response to your initial contribution: this particular Shipmate doesn't need third-hand reports, 'cos I've been there myself, done the anguish, got the T-shirt, and I can agree - people do get hurt. The wife says that she:
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..hopes the movie helps any young gay men who are too frightened to come out for fear of hurting a girlfriend or parents
And I, too, hope the movie helps young gay men who are too frightened to come out.
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Originally posted by Gordon Cheng:
Actually Kelly I did see The Wedding Banquet, quite some time ago on the telly. It was a hoot. And, a really good piece of film making, with attractive characters and a real warmth.
I can't remember whether it had implied sex in it or not, but obviously it was toned down for Oz TV, and TBH I'm not really watching it to keep count of whether it crosses a line or not.
Ok, Grasshopper. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Next, see The Ice Storm --a dismal endictment of the "Me Era" indugences of the seventies suburban America. Also a good example of how Lee uses sex scenes-- not in a lush, candlelit way designed to tittilate, but in a way that informs us about the characters.
(Wedding Banquet had to have been edited. When I saw it there were some pretty hilarious sex scenes.)
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Originally posted by Gordon Cheng:
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Originally posted by ezlxq:
And I, too, hope the movie helps young gay men who are too frightened to come out.
Yes, I think we can agree on that
Hey - thanks! So, can you try to get round to seeing this helpful film, please, pretty, please? And observe some of the (acted) anguish first-, rather than third-hand?
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Originally posted by Gordon Cheng:
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Originally posted by ezlxq:
And I, too, hope the movie helps young gay men who are too frightened to come out.
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Yes, I think we can agree on that, at least at the level of being willing to acknowledge same-sex attraction, rather than denying it or pretending it isn't there.
Uhm...and then what? Pray real hard?
(Actually I bet that is your answer.)
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I truly sympathesize with GC's view here regarding watching gratuitous sex (regardless whether its hetero or not) and violence - I've stopped watching rated R movies in the theater simply because of this. I wait until they come out on video and simply fastforward a lot of it. I just feel really, really bad when I see violence done to human beings even if I know its "just a movie." Simularly, I also find it strange to watch two people have sex onscreen as well.
I've watched Kill Bill I & II and the Passion and they are probably one of the most violently shocking artistic movies come out that I've seen in the last two years. That's why I don't blanket "no R" movies - because sometimes the stuff can be done tastefully and inspiring even if it is full of sex and violence.
It does surprise me occasionally when some people get upset about the licenciousness (sp?) of a movie but are completely unmoved by like violent mutilation of God's children.
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
Pray real hard?
Doesn't work.
Or maybe X didn't try hard enough.
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Originally posted by Gordon Cheng:
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Originally posted by Comper's Child:
But sex is, when last I looked, very much part of the human experience, but if you find it distasteful okay.
I can't remember where I said that I found sex distasteful. Did I?
Well, no, but films are works of art which reflect the human experience, so I wouldn't want to edit out anything so much at the heart of what it means to be human. It's okay if you do!
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I'm not sure Gordon was suggesting that he was trying to avoid films containing gratuitous sex - I thought it was any depiction of sex at all which was the problem?
FWIW I thought that the sex (such as it was) in Brokeback was anything but gratuitous. I also admit that occasionally sex scenes in films make me squirm (and not in a nice way!) but generally I'd rather watch sex than graphic violence. Def a topic for another Purg thread.
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Originally posted by Joyfulsoul:
I truly sympathesize with GC's view here regarding watching gratuitous sex (regardless whether its hetero or not) and violence
Yeah, but it comes down to what one's definition of gratuitous is. Gratuitous to me means it's put in there for titilating effect or just to keep one amused or interested. Here you're talking about a couple of very very short scenes which have everything to do with the four major characters and their relationships.
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Cross-posted with ezlxq & Comper's Child, and missed the edit window!
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Niënna
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Sorry, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean to imply that Bareback had gratuitous sex... (I was just speaking as a general rule...)
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Ags
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Sorry, Joyfulsoul - misunderstood!
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I think that we are most ourselves at our best, because that is what God intended us to be. The us we really like, the us that others love to be with. Moth
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Comper's Child:
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Originally posted by Joyfulsoul:
I truly sympathesize with GC's view here regarding watching gratuitous sex (regardless whether its hetero or not) and violence
Yeah, but it comes down to what one's definition of gratuitous is. Gratuitous to me means it's put in there for titilating effect or just to keep one amused or interested. Here you're talking about a couple of very very short scenes which have everything to do with the four major characters and their relationships.
Sounds like the movies I was talking about.
Gordon, just take a great big sip of your Coca Cola at that point.
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Qoheleth.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Gordon, just take a great big sip of your Coca Cola at that point.
.. and then come back here and discuss the film with us from a position of knowledge, not hearsay.
Please.
Ok?
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Gordon Cheng
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On balance, I think I probably won't, ezlxq. I assume it's a good movie, and I don't doubt that like all good movies, there's truth in it. On whether or not it will help me understand gay friends, I can find out plenty about the anguish or beauty of gay relationships by talking to these friends, and to those who know them.
On a blindingly trivial and off topic note, a friend of mine got to kiss Heath Ledger in a game of spin the bottle. She didn't like him though, so there's a magic moment gone begging.
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Comper's Child
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Originally posted by Gordon Cheng:
On balance, I think I probably won't, ezlxq. I assume it's a good movie, and I don't doubt that like all good movies, there's truth in it. On whether or not it will help me understand gay friends, I can find out plenty about the anguish or beauty of gay relationships by talking to these friends, and to those who know them.
On a blindingly trivial and off topic note, a friend of mine got to kiss Heath Ledger in a game of spin the bottle. She didn't like him though, so there's a magic moment gone begging.
Do talk to them then, and ask them what they thought about Brokeback Mtn. And I am sorry to be edgy about your posts!
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