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dj_ordinaire
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This is the new thread for images, vids, and other assorted Internet resources of a worship-based or liturgical nature.
As FCB wisely said whilst starting the original 'Ecclesiantics videos' thread many moons ago, 'it would be good to have a thread where people can post links to such videos and folks can offer their comments on them'.
And so, here is the new place for such posts and discussions... enjoy!
dj_ordinaire, Eccles host
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Oh yeah, I love the crumbly eucharistic bread -- Jesus can be all over the chancel carpet. Charming, indeed. Not.
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The Scrumpmeister
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Here is the first in a series of videos showing Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk serving the Divine Liturgy in the Basilica of St Ambrose in Milan, on his fairly recent visit to Italy. It's quite amazing seeing the Liturgy served in that setting. He also served in the equally stunning setting at Ravenna.
This last one is at home in Moscow but it's such a splendid photograph, I thought I'd share it. He even appears to be wearing his chandelier-shaped mitre.
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Here's a charming little video on the history of Grace-St. Luke's in Memphis, Tennessee. It was apparently made in their search for a new Rector. It is full of great Southern mannerisms and tells a good story.
The video is remarkably frank about the failings and foibles of past rectors, and of the parish itself.
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Am I the only one who feels somewhat intruded on when videoed while I'm praying?
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Am I the only one who feels somewhat intruded on when videoed while I'm praying?
It depends. If I'm saying private prayers at some shrine or other and someone comes to take close-up photographs of me, I suppose I'd feel that a little intrusive. However, if the person wanted to do take a photograph from a distance, I don't think I'd have a problem. There are some quite beautiful moments that can be captured on film/in cellulite of quiet, holy places, with people experiencing somethng of the mystery of the place. I like to think that they depict real moments aren't aren't photographs for which someone posed. There's something artificial and veering in the direction of the commercial that I don't like about the thought of that.
As for public services, I don't have any problem with this at all. I suppose I've been conditioned by the usual rules of filming/photography, which are that if you put yourself in a public situation where you would expect to be observed by other people, then expect to be filmed/photographed.
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Originally posted by Michael Astley:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Belle Ringer:
[qb]I like to think that they depict real moments aren't aren't photographs for which someone posed.
Er... and aren't.
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Originally posted by Michael Astley:
This last one is at home in Moscow but it's such a splendid photograph, I thought I'd share it. He even appears to be wearing his chandelier-shaped mitre.
That would be wonderful for the Caption Competition!
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Anglo-Catholic in Carlsbad - St. Michael's-by-the-Sea (why are those names always written with hyphens?) has recorded Masses online.
It is always good to see how other people do things. In this case I am wondering, why two sets of crucifer and torch-bearer? And I have to say their singing is truly dire!
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this is slightly off topic, but the video from Grace-St. Luke's in Memphis set me wondering -- the parish seems to have a problem holding on to rectors. What is it, 5 or 6 rectors resigned "under pressure"?
Does anybody know what's going on this parish? It seems like a prominent one -- but, when it comes to its rectors, also seems to have adopted what a seminary professor of mine called the "relationship of a dog to a fire hydrant."
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I don't know about that particular church, but there is always at least one parish in a diocese that makes a habit of chasing away rectors. I've been a member of one that reformed such habits. Usually such parishes stack on unrealistic expectations, move on to grousing about his or her inability to live up to these expectations mercilessly during coffee hour, then blossoming to outright passive aggressive rebellion at vestry meetings. Once the poor sot has left, often reconsidering his or her call to the ministry altogether, the congregation picks a new rector to repeat the process.
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Here are some photographs of a recent outdoor patriarchal Liturgy in Ukraine. I've shared photographs of this chalice in the past but now the diskos (paten) can be seen with it. I've never seen anything quite like it.
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Originally posted by Michael Astley:
Here are some photographs of a recent outdoor patriarchal Liturgy in Ukraine. I've shared photographs of this chalice in the past but now the diskos (paten) can be seen with it. I've never seen anything quite like it.
You and me both! What remarkable items, and what a fine array of beards ![[Smile]](smile.gif) Are those nuns of a particular order in one of the pictures?
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Originally posted by Low Treason:
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Originally posted by Oblatus:
Anglo-Catholic in Carlsbad - St. Michael's-by-the-Sea (why are those names always written with hyphens?) has recorded Masses online.
It is always good to see how other people do things. In this case I am wondering, why two sets of crucifer and torch-bearer? And I have to say their singing is truly dire!
They appear also to have a pipe organ that sounds exactly like a Hammond.
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The Scrumpmeister
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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
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Originally posted by Michael Astley:
Here are some photographs of a recent outdoor patriarchal Liturgy in Ukraine. I've shared photographs of this chalice in the past but now the diskos (paten) can be seen with it. I've never seen anything quite like it.
You and me both! What remarkable items...
Indeed. Then, if you're expecting a large congregation and many concelebrants, it makes sense to be prepared.
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Are those nuns of a particular order in one of the pictures?
Monastics generally tend not to be of any particular order and nuns usually look like the ones here, from that set. You do occasionally find monasteries with nuns looking like this but they are the exception. My guess would be that these ladies probably belong to a religious sisterhood attached to and taking part in the work of a monastery, but are not actually nuns themselves. Some of them are probably married and have children, and offer a certain amount of their time in service at the monastery. I know that the monastery that makes most of our vestments and hangings at church does work with children with special needs, and they have a similar sisterhood to help with this and with their fundraising around Europe and the USA, as they travel around in a van, selling things. They dress almost exactly that way.
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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
What remarkable items, and what a fine array of beards Are those nuns of a particular order in one of the pictures?
Bearded nuns?
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Originally posted by Michael Astley:
This last one is at home in Moscow but it's such a splendid photograph, I thought I'd share it. He even appears to be wearing his chandelier-shaped mitre.
That would be wonderful for the Caption Competition!
What a great photo! It reminds me of all those throne room processional scenes you get at the end of Star Wars or Flash Gordon Movies.
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Well, you're all very naughty people! Especially that Chapelhead. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
To restore you all to some sort of decorum, here are excerpts from a recent hierarchical Liturgy, showing the Lesser entrance and censing, the Trisagion, and the run-up to the Gospel.
I really wish I got to do this more often. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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All together now: 'Human slaves, in an insect nation - awwhahhhaw!'
(I'm guessing that reference may be a little obscure to some folks?! ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif) )
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dj_ordinaire
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Yes, I know I kicked it off with my ambiguous comment about bearded nuns, but let's not get too far from sensible discussion here people!
Thanks... djo, Eccles host
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The Scrumpmeister
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by Michael Astley:
This last one is at home in Moscow but it's such a splendid photograph, I thought I'd share it. He even appears to be wearing his chandelier-shaped mitre.
That would be wonderful for the Caption Competition!
What a great photo! It reminds me of all those throne room processional scenes you get at the end of Star Wars or Flash Gordon Movies.
It does, doesn't it? And Metropolitan Hilarion scrubs up well. He seems to always wear an omophor (pallium) in the more ancient white with red crosses rather than one that matches the fabric of the vestments. I quite like that and wish more of our hierarchs did the same.
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Actually, a quick google image search revealed that this is quite untrue but he does seem to appear with it often.
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Live liturgy from Irish RC churches
Just watched a very interesting Mass from St. Augustine's, Cork, during which the celebrant recited the responsorial psalm himself, saying the word "Response" instead of the actual response, and instead of letting the people say the actual response. Surreal. ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
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I've come across something like that, too. Except when the officiant said: 'response', the congregation did the response.
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Oblatus
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I've come across something like that, too. Except when the officiant said: 'response', the congregation did the response.
Wild! Never imagined or experienced that.
I've always thought that reciting the responsorial psalm without printed text for the people is the worst possible way to pray a psalm at Mass. The people spend the time trying to recall the response, with a slight panicky feeling if the reader or celebrant's bit goes on a little. What was that response again? Oh, that was it (as the celebrant looks over his glasses and says the response in a low voice, disapprovingly).
As opposed to actually praying the psalm knowing at least the words of the refrain.
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The Scrumpmeister
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Here's a video of the only attempt I've ever seen made to sing the Valaam setting of the Phos Hilaron by anybody but the Valaam Monastery choir. I think they did rather well. It is one of my favourites but is beyond the realms of possibility for any group wuth which I sing, (not so much in terms of skill but more to do with limited oppotunities for rehearsal). I'd love to be able to do it one day.
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And here it is sung by the Valaam choir themselves.
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by Michael Astley:
This last one is at home in Moscow but it's such a splendid photograph, I thought I'd share it. He even appears to be wearing his chandelier-shaped mitre.
That would be wonderful for the Caption Competition!
What a great photo! It reminds me of all those throne room processional scenes you get at the end of Star Wars or Flash Gordon Movies.
Yes, isn't that young Anekin Skywalker in the front left corner?
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Copied from another thread:
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Whilst searching around on the video website "Youtube" I found some rather excellent examples of Swedish Lutheran liturgy that you might all be interested in viewing.
I have to say that this is my favourite.
The channel is called karpov89 and can be found by visiting http://www.youtube.com/user/karpov89
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I've been following along as the Our Lady of Solitude Monastery in Arizona has been building their chapel. Well, they're at the point now where they're installing the reredos.
And my first thought was, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix? Note the phoenix *is* going on the cloister side...
Ah, well, can't help my cultural background.
The building does look pretty nice, and I like the Agnus Dei on the public side of the reredeos.
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Links for the Pope's visit to the UK can be found here.
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I can think of several clergy for which this would be a hilariously appropriate recessional as they walk down the aisle.
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I always like watching videos from this church, especially for the joy on the feasts, but I haven't checked for updates for a while and have been delighted to find this video from the end of their Christmas Liturgy.
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OOoooh, I loved that one, Michael. It was lovely when the singing became slower and almost hushed for the verse une étable est son logement / pour un roi, quelle abaissement (his lodging is a stable; for a king, what humiliation).
-- Mamacita, erstwhile French major.
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OOoooh, I loved that one, Michael. It was lovely when the singing became slower and almost hushed for the verse une étable est son logement / pour un roi, quelle abaissement (his lodging is a stable; for a king, what humiliation).
-- Mamacita, erstwhile French major.
Oh, I'm so pleased you liked it. I have a great amount of sympathy for these people in the bad treatment they have received from Orthodox in the past and I just love their services. The music is superb but in a homely, "gathered family" sort of way, if you know what I mean - and it seems to reflect the rest of their church life, if the communal effort of Pascha is any standard against which to measure it.
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
I've come across something like that, too. Except when the officiant said: 'response', the congregation did the response.
Wild! Never imagined or experienced that.
I've always thought that reciting the responsorial psalm without printed text for the people is the worst possible way to pray a psalm at Mass. The people spend the time trying to recall the response, with a slight panicky feeling if the reader or celebrant's bit goes on a little. What was that response again? Oh, that was it (as the celebrant looks over his glasses and says the response in a low voice, disapprovingly).
As opposed to actually praying the psalm knowing at least the words of the refrain.
I have an update on this. We do responsorial psalms and I print the response in the pew sheet so people can have the words in front of them. But I was asked at a recent meeting if I would say the word 'response' to indicate when the response should come in!
When I last posted, I thought I'd never do such a thing! But actually it's fine - the sky hasn't fallen in. And knowing the congo are easier with it and get into it better, is a small price to pay for a strange variation on liturgy!
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When I last posted, I thought I'd never do such a thing! But actually it's fine - the sky hasn't fallen in. And knowing the congo are easier with it and get into it better, is a small price to pay for a strange variation on liturgy!
At least they desire to be active, and asked for help. If it were me, I'm sure it would become too programmed in my head, and I'd end up chanting:
"The Lord be with you. Response"
"Lift up your hearts. Response"
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Here is a complete Low Mass said from the American Missal at Nashotah House.
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Here is a complete Low Mass said from the American Missal at Nashotah House.
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Intense thanks to you for this link. This is the sort of video I would love to see more of, documenting various styles of ceremonial. Wish someone had done this for a 1965 interim rite RC Mass. Looking forward to studying this one. The celebrant is the rector of the parish to the north of my apartment in Chicago. Haven't visited there yet.
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