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Cosmo
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Canon B14 does not mean that the Bishop can allow a priest not to wear the appropriate vesture for the occasion. It merely means that he can exempt a place from their obligation to celebrate the Holy Communion on the Annunciation (for example) or on every Sunday (in the way that happens with many multi-parish benefices in the country). It does not mean that the Incumbent can wear a tasteful polyester suit and tie to celebrate the Holy Cummunion.

In practice, of course, many blind eyes are turned. I still think it's rather regretable.

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quote:
Originally posted by Nightlamp:
so who are you to say how a bishop interprets the law?

Well, yes, which is why it was merely a suggestion. But I'd have to ask, what the point is of the canon at all, if the intention of those who wrote it was to allow anyone who happened to have an evangelical bishop, to do what they liked.

So I deduce what it's there for, and suggest that a bishop who allows them to be dispensed with permanently for no reason other than that the vicar doesn't like them, is wrong to do so. I doubt any bishop doing this will lose much sleep over my opinion.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cosmo:
It merely means that he can exempt a place from their obligation to celebrate the Holy Communion on the Annunciation (for example)

which canon obligates a parish to celebrate communion on the Annunciation?

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quote:
Originally posted by Nightlamp:
which canon obligates a parish to celebrate communion on the Annunciation?

I think it's the combination of B14(1):
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The Holy Communion shall be celebrated in every parish church at least on all Sundays and principal Feast Days, and on Ash Wednesday and Maundy Thursday. It shall be celebrated distinctly, reverently, and in an audible voice.
and B6(2):
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The principal Feasts which are to be observed in the Church of England are Christmas Day, Epiphany, the Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Easter Day, Ascension Day, Whitsunday or Pentecost, Trinity Sunday and All Saints' Day.


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quote:
Originally posted by Nightlamp:
which canon obligates a parish to celebrate communion on the Annunciation?

B6 defines it as a principal Feast Day, and B14 says you have to have Communion on such days. (Same link as for B8 in my post above)
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While I've always loved the great variety of worship across the CofE, I have to admit to being a little bit surprized at the ministers who sign up to what is basically a liturgically-focused expression of being church, and yet then go on to do as much as they can to appear as if they're anything but.

If one doesn't want to be publicly and easily identifiable as belonging to the Anglican forms of worship, even on a Sunday morning, or to be recognizably and visibly the Church in the Community in that way, then wouldn't it be easier to simply not get ordained into the Anglican church in the first place?

Remembering that the presidential role of priest in the Anglican church is at least partly about representing the people - eschewing, to an extent, one's private Christian individualism - what's the point of taking on a conspicuous and clearly public role only to deliberately blur the message by giving off an 'it's only little old private me, here' vibe?

I'm not saying there aren't times when it's appropriate to dress down for a service; or that every Anglican clerge should go out, relentlessly collared up, come what may (I don't!). But I do think that Anglican worship should have some appearance of the Anglican pattern which low or high church is about the presentation of Church to God, not the personal wardrobe of the minister to his/her congregation.

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I live and learn.

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quote:
Originally posted by GreyFace:
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
not at the annunciation, not being RC

Eh? Please explain. Are you claiming the Annunciation is no longer celebrated by Anglicans, or any other non-RC churches for that matter?

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what does wearing robes have to do with whether you celebrate Communion on particular special days?
I assume Cosmo was implying that a willingness to break the law on the question of vestments might indicate a willingness to break it on the question of feast days - both stemming, from, I assume, a rejection of anything that looks like Catholicism.

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just because they don't dress up in strange outfits doesn't mean that the sacrament of Communion is not viewed as a very important event each and every time it is celebrated.
True, but it does mean that they're explicitly refusing to follow the rules, and denying the right of the Church of England to make such rules. Is there a good reason for it?

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illegal or not, many other anglican churches do the same thing - even when there's a bish in attendance.
Many? Can you back this up? My best guess would be that you would only find this in an evangelical church in England, which chops it down to something like a third of the C of E to start with. My experience has been that a large portion of C of E evangelicals are low church traditional, where you would find low church vestments in use, and finally each new-style evangelical place I've been to (not many, admittedly) has had priests that decided to follow the rules in respect of alb + stole, even when the service was pushing the boundaries of what Common Worship allows for Holy Communion.

So, is this as common as LND thinks?

Annunciation
we tend towards just calling her Mary (dropping the whole 'Blessed Virgin' bit, being as how she had other kids after Jesus, so presumably wasn't a virgin for long after His birth) - maybe there's a little morning Communion service or something - but it's not an 'event' like Ascension or similar

Clothing-tat
don't know why not. Noone seems to complain. WHen people complain they do tend to take it seriously (eg. the musicians have recently been told not to put Bibles on the floor at all during a service as it offends some people from some SE Asian / Middle Eastern traditions). I think the whole robes thing is so it doesn't make people who drop in to see what the tourist-attraction-type church does in its services confused.

How Common?
most of the churches I've been in that are anglican are ones I've been playing in. I'm not an organist - so they would tend to be lower down the candle ones anyway. They would also predominantly be fairly hard-core evangelical. There are many of this type - not "most" of the anglican communion (as I may have unintentionally implied) but a large enough number to be called "many".

Would be interesting to have a surplus survey to see just what your 'average' anglican vicar steps out in for his(/her) usual Sunday services.

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I think the important thing to know is whether the people who bid for the Papal Sanctissima (remember that?) were vested correctly to do so.

As to the "average" anglican priest - is that average as in the mean (which would probably be a middling position of a sort that can prove surprisingly elusive in some regions) or average as in mode - the commonest choice?

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quote:
Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
Annunciation
we tend towards just calling her Mary (dropping the whole 'Blessed Virgin' bit, being as how she had other kids after Jesus, so presumably wasn't a virgin for long after His birth) - maybe there's a little morning Communion service or something - but it's not an 'event' like Ascension or similar

I assume you know that the Catholics, the Orthodox, and some high-profile Protestant theologians (Calvin, was it?) accept the perpetual virginity of Mary, and interpret the Greek differently? And that doesn't stop you calling Mary Blessed - as in Luke.

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Clothing-tat
don't know why not.

Any evangelical care to comment? Exercise of sola scriptura? I think it's anti-Catholicism myself, not in a particularly negative sense I hasten to add.

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I think the whole robes thing is so it doesn't make people who drop in to see what the tourist-attraction-type church does in its services confused.
I think not, because that would be a ridiculous reason. It would be more confusing to enter a church and find the vicar dressed in jeans. I don't mean to imply that I doubt your experiences - I believe you. But as you note yourself, you're self-selecting hard-core evangelical, less liturgical and so on.

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Would be interesting to have a surplus survey to see just what your 'average' anglican vicar steps out in for his(/her) usual Sunday services.
It would be interesting to have precise figures, but I can tell you the answer for England, at least. See Canon B8.
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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
P.S. My G/F wouldn't be seen dead at my church, she goes to a certain Anglican Church which is on the complete opposite side of the spectrum, she asked me if my "vicar" wore robes during "The Lord's Supper"!

Oh my! The old saw about opposites attracting does come to mind. [Biased]

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quote:
Originally posted by Fiddleback:
I think the reason for this is that there are actually not many female evangelical priests. There are female priests in evo churches because the bishop can't find anywhere else to put them.

So the evangelicals, obedient to their bishops as always, take direction from them as to who is an acceptable priest? But those naughty and uncanonical Anglocatholicians go their own way regardless?

Such good boys and girls we are.

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In any case, to slightly paraphrase the Bishop of Fulham, real evangelical women wouldn't want to be priests.

To slightly paraphrase Mandy Rice Davis, he would say that, wouldn't he?

The first generation of women priests ordained in the CofE included many older women who had been waiting for years or decades for ordination, mostly in their 40s or 50s. So obviously they were women who thought it was important to be a priest, else they wouldn't have waited.

And obviously there were proportionatly fewer evangelicals, because evangelical churches have been much readier than more catholic ones to give places of importance to lay people, including women. The superstars of the evengelical churches have been missionaries and evangelists, not (neccesarily) priests and bishops. And we had women preaching and teaching (in some churches at least) for a long, long time.

But we've mostly worked through the backlog now. The next generation of women being ordained are likely to be more representative of the CofE as a whole. I'd expect some increase in the relative lowness of the batch. (& a decrease in their age & general fitness - at the last few dos in the cathedral I couldn't help noticing larger numbers of babe-like deacons and new priests - quite distracting on occasion - though of course straight women & gay men have had such distractions in church for centuries)

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Dear heavens, I'm agreeing with Cosmo. Does anyone else feel a chill breeze?

Anslemina - [Overused]

In this country, it would be a rare anglican priest indeed who didn't vest for SUnday services. Of course, we have very few churches in the English evangelical tradition. If you're anglican here, it's because you want to be part of a liturgical church -- there's no bias towards being part of a "national" church. And the bishops are obviously more effective, even without canons like those you lot have.

John

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quote:
Originally posted by John Holding:
Dear heavens, I'm agreeing with Cosmo. Does anyone else feel a chill breeze?

That's right. Everybody comes over to the dark side eventually.

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quote:
Originally posted by Peronel:
Yeah. When normal teenagers are spending all their time in illicit furtling behind the bike sheds, or in dank and dark corners of the undergrowth, 103 and his lass are instead engaged in passionate discussions about the finer points of tat.

Ahhh well. At least it keeps them out of trouble [Biased]

Actually - we're campaigning for the Liberal Democrats in the College Mock election!
Go Lib Dems!

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Cosmo:
Funny how those clergy so blase about robes are those so hot on the authority of scripture

Eh? Are you really suggesting that one church's rules about vestments are as important as scripture?
Lex orandi...

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Originally posted by Duo Seraphim:
Never mind Heck - this place is turning into Heccles.

Indeed. And having read the rest of this page, I have to keep reminding myself I'm not a host here. [Help] We even have all of the usual suspects.
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Rather like the Mystery Worship of old then.... [Two face]
And having been away for a long weekend I come back to find this thread has grown to an inordinately long length but 103 has not become a Roman Catholic and I presume has not hissed at any more communicants.....
So nothing's changed then..!!!!
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He'd be a good parent though, as he'd make his offspring eat up all the greens....Eat it now!!!
[teasing tag off/] [Two face] [Killing me]

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Originally posted by The Royal Spaniel:
been away for a long weekend I come back to find this thread has grown to an inordinately long length but 103 has not become a Roman

We're going to have to exchange him for Squirrel at midnight on the north side of the Clifton Suspension Bridge.

Come unarmed, and if you bring any archdeacons, the deal is off.

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Originally posted by jlg:
quote:
Originally posted by Duo Seraphim:
Never mind Heck - this place is turning into Heccles.

Indeed. And having read the rest of this page, I have to keep reminding myself I'm not a host here. [Help] We even have all of the usual suspects.
One Lord. One Faith. One Board.

(Except here we can have an opinion without having to quote St. Percy.)

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quote:
Originally posted by ken:
quote:
Originally posted by The Royal Spaniel:
been away for a long weekend I come back to find this thread has grown to an inordinately long length but 103 has not become a Roman

We're going to have to exchange him for Squirrel at midnight on the north side of the Clifton Suspension Bridge.

Come unarmed, and if you bring any archdeacons, the deal is off.

Ah - But squirrel wouldn't like my church! It'd be too FiF!

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I think the whole robes thing is so it doesn't make people who drop in to see what the tourist-attraction-type church does in its services confused.

I think not, because that would be a ridiculous reason. It would be more confusing to enter a church and find the vicar dressed in jeans. I don't mean to imply that I doubt your experiences - I believe you. But as you note yourself, you're self-selecting hard-core evangelical, less liturgical and so on.

a lot of people who drop in to our church are not from the UK so unless they are of an RC or an Orthodox background the robes might not be part of their expectation.
As far as I know they've not robed up regularly since something like the 70s - maybe earlier. I suppose it's as much habit as anything else now.

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Rather like the Mystery Worship of old then....
And having been away for a long weekend I come back to find this thread has grown to an inordinately long length but 103 has not become a Roman Catholic and I presume has not hissed at any more communicants.....
So nothing's changed then..!!!!
[teasing tag on]
He'd be a good parent though, as he'd make his offspring eat up all the greens....Eat it now!!!
[teasing tag off/]

yup - real progress has been made on all fronts.

actually, 103, does your church do the wine before or after the bread - wouldn't the (now famous and increasingly ubiquitous) woman in question have been en route from bread to wine? Usually the bread comes first, doesn't it (unless the servers have got tangled up while serving the musicians which sometimes means Communion for some muzos is occasionally bread only, wine only or wine followed by bread. Keeps it interesting I guess.)

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22 pages Jeez. Maybe we should try driving a wooden stake through the heart of this thread. There must be someway to kill it.

Normally if I post on a thread it withers and dies. I'm still trying with this one.

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Why the fuck is this thread still going?

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Nightlamp
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22 pages Jeez. Maybe we should try driving a wooden stake through the heart of this thread. There must be someway to kill it.

It is called not posting on it! the fact you posted suggests you really want to keep it alive.

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Nightlamp
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quote:
Originally posted by Lurker McLurker™:
Why the fuck is this thread still going?

because you posted on it!

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I think it's got beyone the point of being stupid and reached the point of ridiculousness.

maybe we could keep discussing pilfered hosts, 103's enaction of his EM role, robes, insertion of wafers into unlikely female orifices and the like until Pope Benedict XII shuffles off the mortal coil too and a new would-be eBay entrepreneur puts a wafer blessed by the-artist-formerly-known-as-Ratzinger on sale so a new thread is needed.

I think it would make the hell-hosts very happy people [Snigger] [Two face]

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err... [Hot and Hormonal] computerly weirdness seems to have made my "edit" go all funny.

Could one of the hell-hosts (who is going to be made so sunny & happy by the eternal life of this thread) maybe un-weird it? [Hot and Hormonal]

I have no idea what happened - think my browser fell over its toes or something [Roll Eyes] [Help] [Hot and Hormonal] [Confused]

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quote:
Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
actually, 103, does your church do the wine before or after the bread - wouldn't the (now famous and increasingly ubiquitous) woman in question have been en route from bread to wine? Usually the bread comes first, doesn't it (unless the servers have got tangled up while serving the musicians which sometimes means Communion for some muzos is occasionally bread only, wine only or wine followed by bread. Keeps it interesting I guess.)

I won't answer any questions about "Bread" and "Wine"

And recieving in one kind only is perfectly fine and is actually prefered by a lot of people (At Weekday Mass I always recieve in one kind only)

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Yeah - this thread is great actually, lets see if we can get it to 30 pages!

-103

Are the hosts betting money on this thread to see how long it will last?
Could I join the bet too?

[ 26. April 2005, 21:48: Message edited by: 103 (One-O-Three) ]

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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
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actually, 103, does your church do the wine before or after the bread - wouldn't the (now famous and increasingly ubiquitous) woman in question have been en route from bread to wine? Usually the bread comes first, doesn't it (unless the servers have got tangled up while serving the musicians which sometimes means Communion for some muzos is occasionally bread only, wine only or wine followed by bread. Keeps it interesting I guess.)

I won't answer any questions about "Bread" and "Wine"

-103

eh? [Confused] I'm confused
why?
did I say something wrong? [Confused] [Tear]

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I think he's satirising the stereotype of the attitude Anglo-Catholics are supposed to have towards those who use terminology that differs from theirs. If he was in a more serious mood he'd be glad to answer you.

Hmm, this isn't going to get the thread closed, is it

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Hmm, this isn't going to get the thread closed, is it

hee [Snigger] you just can't get enough of this thread - admit it - you'd be bereft without it [Snigger]

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Almost as long as Percington Crescent....!!! [Snigger] [Snigger]
However I don't think 103's church follows the teachings of St.Percy so perhaps best left alone....
I'm still boggling over the need for 6 stations [Eek!] for the distribution of Holy Communion

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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
Yeah - this thread is great actually, lets see if we can get it to 30 pages!

-103

Are the hosts betting money on this thread to see how long it will last?
Could I join the bet too?

Congratulations. Now RooK will have his way with this thread, if not Sarky or Erin.

So long, farewell thee well, O Thread of Life.

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Originally posted by The Royal Spaniel:
Almost as long as Percington Crescent....!!! [Snigger] [Snigger]
However I don't think 103's church follows the teachings of St.Percy so perhaps best left alone....
I'm still boggling over the need for 6 stations [Eek!] for the distribution of Holy Communion

6 Stations because we're not allowed to rip out those Damn Awful pews and replace them with comfy chairs and we have way too many people attending Sunday Mass!

-103

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(The Ecclesiantics takeover of Hell is about complete. If you would just move the baldochino over there to the right a bit, the organist will start improvising on the Black Adder theme. Who has the tea lights?)

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Nave altar with the relics of St Simion... nice and central.
Excellant!

Banners with texts "Jesus is Lord" and "Alleluia"... put them up either side of the altar! Lovely!

-103

This is the new MW!

[ 26. April 2005, 22:17: Message edited by: 103 (One-O-Three) ]

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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
quote:
Originally posted by The Royal Spaniel:
Almost as long as Percington Crescent....!!! [Snigger] [Snigger]
However I don't think 103's church follows the teachings of St.Percy so perhaps best left alone....
I'm still boggling over the need for 6 stations [Eek!] for the distribution of Holy Communion

6 Stations because we're not allowed to rip out those Damn Awful pews and replace them with comfy chairs and we have way too many people attending Sunday Mass!

-103

now we know where the whole storm-trooper approach to the wafers comes from - reduce the congregation - person by person... [Devil]

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Has anyone got any gin?
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I've got the tonic!

-103

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103,I was having a holiday in Bristol this weekend and I went to St.Mary Redcliffe for the Eucharist.It's a big church and it was easily 2/3rds full if not more.They didn't seem to have any problem there - it was distributed kneeling at the high altar.
If there's a problem you'd need to get the wardens to let one line of pews at a time. It's known as crowd control!!!
They could then receive at the communion rail,and you could have one priest and two eucharistic ministers

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quote:
Originally posted by The Royal Spaniel:
103,I was having a holiday in Bristol this weekend and I went to St.Mary Redcliffe for the Eucharist.It's a big church and it was easily 2/3rds full if not more.They didn't seem to have any problem there - it was distributed kneeling at the high altar.
If there's a problem you'd need to get the wardens to let one line of pews at a time. It's known as crowd control!!!
They could then receive at the communion rail,and you could have one priest and two eucharistic ministers

Wardens are not a good idea, trust me they would not work and they make the service look a little too inpersonal.
And we're trying to move AWAY from old fashioned things like distribution kneeling at the high altar. The only good use for communion rails are to help disabled and elderly people up steps!

6 Eucharist Stations are fine and that is what we do and will do, we're now refining it so that there is no chaos involved as people recieve in exactly the same way.

Kneeling also isn't good because we then wouldn't comply with the Disabled Discriminations Act, the altar rail is at the top of 7 steps around the high altar and there is no ramp.

-103

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get someone to stand at the front with a couple of table-tennis bats [Snigger]

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quote:
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get someone to stand at the front with a couple of table-tennis bats [Snigger]

Open mouths please......


-103

[ 26. April 2005, 22:30: Message edited by: 103 (One-O-Three) ]

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I've got the tonic!

Oh, my, the thread starts morphing once again ... into a party thread!

The manuevering reminds me of the Ship-specific M* C* round played in the last stages of the "SOF Idol" competition. [Killing me]

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quote:
Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
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Originally posted by The Royal Spaniel:
103,I was having a holiday in Bristol this weekend and I went to St.Mary Redcliffe for the Eucharist.It's a big church and it was easily 2/3rds full if not more.They didn't seem to have any problem there - it was distributed kneeling at the high altar.
If there's a problem you'd need to get the wardens to let one line of pews at a time. It's known as crowd control!!!
They could then receive at the communion rail,and you could have one priest and two eucharistic ministers

Wardens are not a good idea, trust me they would not work and they make the service look a little too inpersonal.
And we're trying to move AWAY from old fashioned things like distribution kneeling at the high altar. The only good use for communion rails are to help disabled and elderly people up steps!

6 Eucharist Stations are fine and that is what we do and will do, we're now refining it so that there is no chaos involved as people recieve in exactly the same way.

Kneeling also isn't good because we then wouldn't comply with the Disabled Discriminations Act, the altar rail is at the top of 7 steps around the high altar and there is no ramp.

-103

But (he sputters), I thought you had a Porta-Altar at the crossing! Set up rails there, like this.

(I promise the rector was not sleeping when this picture was taken. He was preparing for after the anthem. We don't have Evensong with choirs from three churches every day.)

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quote:
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Originally posted by The Royal Spaniel:
103,I was having a holiday in Bristol this weekend and I went to St.Mary Redcliffe for the Eucharist.It's a big church and it was easily 2/3rds full if not more.They didn't seem to have any problem there - it was distributed kneeling at the high altar.
If there's a problem you'd need to get the wardens to let one line of pews at a time. It's known as crowd control!!!
They could then receive at the communion rail,and you could have one priest and two eucharistic ministers

Wardens are not a good idea, trust me they would not work and they make the service look a little too inpersonal.
And we're trying to move AWAY from old fashioned things like distribution kneeling at the high altar. The only good use for communion rails are to help disabled and elderly people up steps!

Kneeling also isn't good because we then wouldn't comply with the Disabled Discriminations Act, the altar rail is at the top of 7 steps around the high altar and there is no ramp.

*ahem*

It's not an all-or-nothing proposition, young man. You set up a station or two below the steps and have a few people serving at the rail. Some people actually prefer recieving at the rail.

At St. Spike's, we have about five shallow steps (with handrails) between the chancel (with communion rail) and the nave. Most of the elderly are bound and determined to get up the steps to the rails (at which they either kneel or stand, depending on their preference) and at least one usher stands by to assist. A serving team will check and see if anyone is waiting expectantly below the steps. We do actually have a mini-lift that could bring them up, but bringing communion to them is easier.

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ONCE upon a time, there was a happy little bulletin board. As the bulletin board grew, it noticed that it needed a place for people to contain their otherwise unacceptable outbursts. This worked well, and everyone was satisfied, except for Pyx_e.

Then one day, 103 tackled some poor little old lady to cram some stale bread product in her mouth. The outrage from this shook the happy little bulletin board, for about a day. Then people commenced babbling inanely about all sorts of really meaningless shyte. This prompted one Host to close the thread, in the interests of tidyness, and finding a way to resist hunting everyone down and killing them with a spoon.

But no. All the Host's colleagues and superiors were startled and aghast at the closure of the thread, just because Hell had been a little slow and lame lately and this thread might be seen as a way to perk things up a bit. So, fine, the damn thing was reopened. Then the fucking piece of shit thread turned into motherfucking blob thread that ate the goddamn bulletin board, with all of the most boring posters eagerly trying to outdo each other with lameness competitions.

SO THERE. HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT SHIT? NOW WE'VE GOT KRILL-FUCKING ECCLESIANTICS BITCHES MAKING FUN OF US BECAUSE THEY'VE DISCOVERED THEY CAN BE EVEN MORE LAME AND BORING IN HELL THAN ON THEIR OWN DUMBASS BOARD. IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED?! IS IT?!?! HUH?! YOU FUCKERS!

Anyway, carry on.

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Skewers posters and thread with toasting fork

Stupid muppets, deciding to throw a party down here:Thread closed.

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