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Imaginary Friend
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"Good fucking point. So, when the time comes, I'll add my (not inconfuckingsiderable) weight to get her lynched."
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Jay-Emm
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It's pretty near crunch time, in the 3 deviant case (even if the traitor is unrecognised* **). We've lost after 3 deaths (a lousy lynch and 2 murders or 2 lousy lynches and murder).
If anyone can work out a decent game-plan then let us know.
Failing that I'm going on the assumption that split villagers guarantee we lose, whereas united we have a small chance (50-50 if one of the accused is guilty, still 0 if neither are) and I'm '80%'*** sure that cuppaT is innocent so I'll follow his/her lead.
*I wonder if this might lead to the interesting case of a false villain role call-even if only in a hypothetical modification.
**In this case it is to be assumed that he'll go for the mafia win, although he could probably help us win.
***A number plucked out of...
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"Mon dieu!" thought Battista, "This beer is suddenly tasting astoundingly good!" He tapped another keg just to make sure.
"Well, the outlook may be bleak for us all, but at least the drinking is going to be satisfying. Bottoms up, my friends."
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Imaginary Friend
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"A-fucking-men, my friend!"
[ 10. January 2011, 18:32: Message edited by: Imaginary Friend ]
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Eliab
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Major Daute sips his morning coffee. Appalling. It tastes of chlorine. Someone should do something about the kitchen staff, he reflects briefly, before realising that somebody already had.
Leaving the cup unfinished, he turns to study his aide's notes. They tell the story of not one but two internecine struggles: two British NCOs and two Belgian civilians in dispute, with:
Sergeant Harry Bournemouth accused by Corporal Jacob Marley; and
Agnés Machant accused by Battista Lalonde.
That's more like it. With two deaths last night, the pool of suspects will soon be cut in half - in fact it certainly will be today unless both the accused are innocent and escape lynching. Daute smiles congratulating himself on resisting the urge to meddle. Soon they'll be a manageable number of suspects left, and he can bring this sorry episode to an end.
VOTING COMMENCES.
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Imaginary Friend
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"I vote for Agnés. Sorry love, but I know I'm fucking innocent."
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Brian Clough
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And I also vote to lynch Mademoiselle Agnés Machant.
[ 11. January 2011, 12:31: Message edited by: Autenrieth Road ]
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I'm not convinced of the guilt of either of the accused, but by Cpl Marley's reasoning above, if we don't lynch today, we're effectively giving up one of our (probably only two) chances to get a conspirator. That being the case, and because she's not talking much, I vote for Agnes Machant.
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There are 9 of us alive. That means 5 are required to lynch someone. With 3 votes already for Mlle. Machant, 2 more votes will suffice to lynch her. Or, to lynch Sgt. Bournemouth will require 5 out of the now remaining 6 votes to be cast for (or is it against?) him.
After the lynching, a service of compline, with footwashing, will be held to observe Maundy Thursday. The only spots large enough to fit all of our (alas depleted) ranks are Batty's Bar and Major Daute's office. Major Daute objects for fear that the footwashing will damage his hardwood floors. Therefore: see you in Batty's Bar at 9 p.m. Bring a towel.
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Amorya
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Well, this time I was a bit suspicious of Harry due to his calling for no lynching. (I know he retracted it, but what else have we to go on?) Also I haven't had much luck following the crowd in the past.
At this stage of the game I don't think someone being quiet makes them more likely to be a conspirator.
But hey, what do I know? I've been wrong before… continually, in fact. Nevertheless:
Voting for Harry
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I'm not hugely suspicious of either of the two nominees so am in a quandary. No lynching seems out because that leaves no chance of lynching the enemy. So who to vote for? I don't believe silence is clear evidence of guilt, but then nor are loud protestations of innocence.
I'll vote for Harry, at least in part to stop a guaranteed lynching before everyone has voted.
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Banner Lady
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Sadly, Agnes.
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Jay-Emm
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If I'm allowed to then I'm carrying on with my plan of voting for Whoever CuppaT votes for.
If this is unacceptable then given how the votes lie Harry has the same outcome (which saves any delay).
[In fact assuming Agnes isn't suicidal this means CuppaT has the casting vote]
[ 11. January 2011, 20:38: Message edited by: Jay-Emm ]
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Jay-Emm
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At least we have a simple narrative/choice for next turn.
If we lynch an innocent then:
Either they were both innocent (and the mafia could be anywhere in the remaining 7)
Or the lynching party consists of the mafia and (a) dupe.
Or the mafia have risked one of their own in a daring (but needless?) bluff.
If we lynch a mafia then:
Either they were both mafia (in which case only 1? remains, again anywhere)
Or the other party consists of the mafia and (a) dupe.
Or the mafia have sacrificed their own in a daring (but needless?) bluff.
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Autenrieth Road
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quote:
Originally posted by Jay-Emm:
[In fact assuming Agnes isn't suicidal this means CuppaT has the casting vote]
We have to assume both that Agnés isn't suicidal, and that she actually shows up to vote. Which isn't guaranteed, since she missed the last vote and didn't show up to defend herself on this vote. To lynch her requires just one more vote at this point. To lynch Harry requires all three remaining votes, including Agnés'. So if you and CuppaT both vote for Harry, we could end up with a 4-4 tie and no lynching.
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Eliab
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quote:
Originally posted by Jay-Emm:
If I'm allowed to then I'm carrying on with my plan of voting for Whoever CuppaT votes for.
I'm not going to permit that as a valid vote - the reason being that as this is, at least in part, a game of deception, it ought to be possible to say one thing and then do the opposite. If I allow people to vote "same-as-X" then I'm effectively disallowing double crosses of this sort, because no one will believe a stated intention to do that if the deceiver doesn't commit themself, and if they do, then as its a vote it would be irrevocable.
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If this is unacceptable then given how the votes lie Harry
Since you provide an alternative, which plausibly has the effect that you (say that you) want of leaving the decision to CuppaT, that IS a valid vote for Harry.
[ 12. January 2011, 06:23: Message edited by: Eliab ]
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CuppaT
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Burt scowls. He not used to being followed around. Just to end all this and put poor Agnes out of her (assumed) RL miseries, I will vote for her.
Missing crucial days at a time and not allowing Mafia to take over one's life is reprehensible. But we all have had too large a dose of RL here on the Ship lately, and I'm sure we all hope that Hen is well and simply busy.
Prayers,
CuppaT
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Agnes is duly lynched, and may post a death scene.
Investigations quickly confirm that Mde. Machant's grandfather served as a Military Policeman, making her something of an expert in their ways.
Further investigations reveal that he left her his antique percussion-cap revolver, which is found with her possessions. A discarded percussion cap exactly matching the weapon was found outside General Zurcon's office on the morning of his death. The conclusion is inescapable. Agnes Machant was a Conspirator.
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And night falls.
It has been a day of tragedy for the Royal Flying Corps. As Archie Blackhouse so optimistically hoped, the new Bristol Fighter did arrive at the front, and flew its first patrol on 5 April, a patrol led by the celebrated and heroic Captain William Leefe Robinson VC. The pilots and observers had been carefully drilled in the sort of two-seater defensive tactics ably and effectively demonstrated by the late Messrs Hamilton and Blackhouse, and trained to fight in a circle formation, with each machine covering the blind-spot under the tail of its neighbour.
The German fighting squadrons, of course, were well-used to such methods. Robinson's patrol of six aircraft was obliterated by five Albatross DIIIs led by Richthofen, the Germans destroying four and damaging one for no loss. Robinson successfully crash-landed and was taken prisoner. He was to die shortly after his release, on the last day of 1918, aged 23.
The Bristol Fighter, once the British pilots had learned to fly it as a fighter, became one of the most effective aircraft of the war.
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Battista tapped another keg of the most blessed Belgian beer ever tasted, and gave a silent prayer of thanks.
"Terrible when these leetle ones get caught up in such dreadful things. It is unbearably sad. A sorrowful day indeed. Now drink up my friends, for tomorrow is Good Friday.
The bar will not be open, and I have told the chaplain over in the corner there that he may use the crypt for a service. It will not be a happy day either. It makes me wonder how many of us will get to drink together another day?"
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I've been drinking milk milked by a Conspirator?! Ewwwwwww! Give me a whisky and whiskey, straight up.
(Phew, we finally got one! Things are looking up!)
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DAY 5 - "Belgian beer wants a good deal of bush."
Corporal Alan Lund motions the man behind him to stop, and the signal is passed back to the patrol which has just navigated the German wire. Wire isn't a problem for the Anzacs. They've been out here in no man's land more times than they care to remember, and know every treacherous twist of the barbed metal tunnels. Lund passes his rifle back, and inches forward, keeping as low as he can, his bayonet and face both black with soot, as his expert eye studies the German parapet a few yards away.
Nothing. Lund grits his teeth in frustration. That bloody Pom was trying to pick a fight again this afternoon, and Alan has a gutful of beer and is just itching to break someone's face. It isn't the fact that the English Ordnance Sergeant has the wheezing lungs of a gas casualty that saved him a broken jaw. As far as the Anzac is concerned, any cunt who wasn't at Gallipoli can't claim to have seen any fighting at all. What restrains the Aussie's powerful fists was the memory of two previous demotions for brawling, and the hope, if this raid goes well, of winning back his precious third stripe.
He forces himself to wait, crawling forward only a few more feet for a closer view. The mud is cold and foul, but it is better to lie half-submerged than take a bullet in the brain. One rare comfort is that it had been decent beer tonight, for a change. Very decent indeed. Nothing at all like the dogs' piss Batty usually served. Either the wily Belgian had made a mistake, or his dog had died, or, as Lund considers most likely, the old skinflint had 'received' or stolen a spare barrel or two meant for officers, and was flogging it off as his usual bilge. Well in that case, Alan had no qualms about helping him dispose of the evidence.
There! There is just enough starlight to catch the thin line of cigarette smoke above the trench line. That's where the sentry is. Lund stretches his legs, pushing his body softly forward through the mud, once, twice, three times, and then springs over the parapet, splashing down beside the astonished German. His left hand is over the man's mouth in a heartbeat, and the bayonet is at his throat. "Quiet, Fritz. ‘Kamarad', understand? You come with us. Quiet, ja?"
The man's eyes are wide in terror, and he nods as vigorously as he dares given the position of Alan's blade. Suddenly, another German stumbles out of a dug-out entrance, holding out a flask to his comrade, when he sees the Australian, and swings his rifle around at the intruder.
Lund slams the bayonet forward into his prisoner's neck without thinking, and as the second German brings his weapon down, Alan seizes the barrel, jerks the man off-balance, and kicks him solidly in the balls. The other Australians are now at the parapet, and the corporal shoves the stunned enemy towards his men. "He'll do. Let's go!" orders Lund, and as the patrol manhandle the breathless German out of the trench, he flings a Mills bomb at the dugout entrance.
Which strikes the wooden frame, and drops back to disappear in the mud at Alan's feet. He stares down in shock. Best fucking wicket-keeper in the company, and to miss a throw like that! That beer must have been stronger than it looked.
The Australians and their prisoner are half-way across no man's land, dodging from one crump hole to another in between flares, before anyone notices the corporal's absence. But by then, the German machine-gunners are fully awake, and no one suggests that they go back.
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Eliab
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Also not answering the morning's role call is Second Lieutenant Burt. Lt. Burt was an Allied Soldier. And he wasn't just wearing that ridiculous helmet-and-goggles get-up for show. He was indeed an Expert Aviator.
Prosecution phase is now open and will be until Monday afternoon (at least 72 hours).
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The Great Gumby
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Now, this makes things very interesting! We've caught one conspirator, and I'd wager a substantial sum that the group that voted for Harry to be lynched instead of Agnes contains at least one more. The alternative is a reckless act of back-stabbing within the conspirators' camp, which can't be discounted, but seems highly unlikely. Furthermore, if the aviator just got bumped off, that appears to mean that whoever did it is now out of commission for the next two nights.
[Rules check - does that mean that the conspirator group can't make a hit at all, or just that the particular person who carried out the hit can't?]
If it's just the one person, we may be able to learn something from tomorrow night's actions, i.e. whether there's a single conspirator left, or (assuming we started with 2 conspirators and 1 traitor) if the traitor has made contact with the conspirators. That's still useful, even if not quite as good as two nights without murders.
I strongly suggest that we need to focus our attention on the people who voted to lynch Harry last time. I'll need to check my notes before making a firm accusation.
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Eliab
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quote:
Originally posted by The Great Gumby:
[Rules check - does that mean that the conspirator group can't make a hit at all, or just that the particular person who carried out the hit can't?]
Whoever it was whose night action killed Lt. Burt will have been wounded. That person cannot take any action for the next two nights.
If there are more than one conspirators, one of them being wounded doesn't affect any of the others. All it means is that one of them is out of commission. I won't process any orders that that one might have wanted to submit. Everyone else, on either side, is free to act as normal.
Being wounded doesn't stop the character from talking, nominating, defending themselves, voting, and conspiring with their accomplices (if permitted to do so). They can put on a brave enough face that no injury is apparent during the day. The only thing that they can't do is carry out night actions for two full turns.
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Jay-Emm
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(In voting order)
Harry was the other accused
Battista nominated the guilty
Aurenrieth Rd and the Gt Gumby voted for the guilty.
Amoya, Leonato and Jay-Emm voted for Harry.
We again likely have room for one mistake:
(assuming 2 mafia, 5 innocents)
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Battista put his feet up on a handy keg, and shut his eyes. He was enjoying the day off. As a sign of his deep religious convictions he was fasting from food, which made the ouzo he was sipping even more satisfying.
"Yes, yes, it is the leetle girls we still have to watch. I nominate you, Miss Eliza Bradshaw. I do not think you are at all what you seem."
He took another sip of ouzo, said a barman's prayer for Burt, and sincerely hoped the Greek entry into the war would bring more ouzo his way soon.
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Amorya
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Sorry all, having an attack of real life. I'll hopefully post a spirited defence later.
For now I'll say: I can see why you're suspicious of me, I would be as well. I'm merely an innocent who has no freaking clue what's going on.
As you were ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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quote:
Originally posted by Amorya:
having an attack of real life
I don't want anyone, whatever side they might be on, to be disadvantaged because of RL. If you (or anyone else) need an extension of time to consider another nomination or make a defence, then I'm happy to give one, but you do need to ask.
Nominations will close tomorrow afternoon - since you have indicated RL issues, if Eliza is at that point the only nominee, I'll assume that if you were not otherwise occupied, you would at least have thought about accusing someone else, and give you a short period to do so. If we have two nominees, we'll go to Defence as planned. If you want more time than that, please send a PM with a specific request.
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Strange that everyone's gone so quiet, especially considering that we've just got our first serious lead of the game. Having had a glance through my notes, one name leaps out at me - Major Conte Leo di Leonato. He's slipped under the radar so far, never voting before half the votes have been cast, saying little, and of course he voted for Harry to be lynched in preference to Agnes.
I think we could do with hearing more from you, Major.
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In my defence I admit voting for Harry was wrong, and I can't deny I look guilty, but as I said I had no great reason for suspecting either him or Agnes and so chose pretty much at random at to prevent Agnes being lynched before everyone had voted.
I have often been late to vote, partly because of the effects of real life but mostly because I haven't known who to vote for. After all, many of the candidates for lynching have turned out to be innocent so a bit of caution in voting is justified. Indeed I have voted for no lynching where I thought no nominee was guilty, and it seems I was right to do so (unless Harry is also guilty of course).
Unlike the guilty who can happily and quickly vote for people they know to be innocent, I don't know who is guilty, so any vote is guesswork. Like many people most of my guesses have sadly been wrong, but taking my time to vote is not, I think, proof of guilt. Neither is not nominating. We have had too many nominations which have just ended in the deaths of the innocent.
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Two nominees, no requests for more time, so the Defence phase begins.
The accused have 24 hours from now to answer their accusers.
Everyone else may chime in with helpful or unhelpful comments, as usual.
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"Yes, thank you, Captain Slackbladder. I too am of the opinion that the tank commander could be the head of the traitorous opposition. If so, however, he should be unable to attack anyone for the next two nights owing to a slight mishap in picking off Lt.Burt.
If Miss Bradshaw is a turncoat, then actually she is the dangerous one right now, for she may still kill one of us. This was why I nominated her. It is, of course, most important that the remaining citizens vote together.
And no. The bar is still closed. I will however sell you a leetle something to take away with you to tide you over until tomorrow."
Battista smiled. " Of course, it will be a trifle more expensive than usual, but then, who else could you come to on Good Friday?"
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quote:
Originally posted by Banner Lady:
"Yes, thank you, Captain Slackbladder. I too am of the opinion that the tank commander could be the head of the traitorous opposition. If so, however, he should be unable to attack anyone for the next two nights owing to a slight mishap in picking off Lt.Burt.
If Miss Bradshaw is a turncoat, then actually she is the dangerous one right now, for she may still kill one of us. This was why I nominated her. It is, of course, most important that the remaining citizens vote together.
And no. The bar is still closed. I will however sell you a leetle something to take away with you to tide you over until tomorrow."
Battista smiled. " Of course, it will be a trifle more expensive than usual, but then, who else could you come to on Good Friday?"
As the 3rd of the 3 suspicious ones, I'm in the slightly odd place that:
While if we lynch a guilty person then I'm sorted (the odds become likely it's one of us two* we can each point fingers, but you have 2 turns)
If we launch an innocent, you are likely to assume that means my & the other's guilt.
I on the other hand am bound to suspect that we three were likely innocent.
Whatever happens after that then we have an interesting (effectively) last turn!
*else their accomplice could have saved Agnes.
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So the suspicion is that Conte di Leonato is a Conspirator and Miss Bradshaw is the Traitor?
We don't know if the Traitor is dangerous yet, because we don't know if s/he has yet found the Conspirators. (Or found the Conspirator, if we think on numerical-advantage grounds that there were only two conspirators to start with.) Would it be better to try to lynch a Conspirator, and so reduce the possibility of the Traitor finding the Conspirator(s)?
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Indeed, we don't know if the Traitor has made contact with the Conspirators yet, which is important. If not, and the remaining Conspirator (I'm assuming there were 2 initially) is lynched today, we win. If the Traitor has joined the Conspirators, they will surely be acting like a Conspirator. In either case, we surely need to be looking for Conspirators.
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If Miss Bradshaw is a turncoat, then actually she is the dangerous one right now, for she may still kill one of us. This was why I nominated her. It is, of course, most important that the remaining citizens vote together.
This is where I don't follow you. If Bradshaw is the Traitor, and if she has joined the Conspirators, then unless she joined last night (which is possible, but wouldn't give you much cause for suspicion), there's no reason to suppose she didn't carry out last night's hit herself. The same goes for anyone else who might be the Traitor. If we believe someone to be a Conspirator, I think we need to go for them first.
Another factor is that I consider it unlikely that two Conspirators (or rather, one Conspirator and one Traitor who has made contact with them - an unrevealed Traitor is of no immediate concern) would allow a round of nominations to consist of no one but themselves, which virtually guarantees a second Conspirator being lynched. Admittedly, both the accused may be suffering from real life (although what could be more real than being blown to bits in the trenches?), but I doubt that they could both be active members of the Conspirator group.
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Both Miss Bradshaw and I voted for Harry, which is the primary reason why we were nominated. So if one of us is the traitor it is fairly safe to assume that the traitor has joined the conspirators.
As Gumby says we are probably not both conspirators since surely one of us would have made another nomination. It is possible that we are both innocent and Corporal Marley is guilty. He did nominate Harry in the first place.
I suspect at least one of us three is a conspirator. In my defence I did not nominate Harry, nor was I first to vote for him.
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Major Daute is a happy man. Whatever else happens now, he will be able to report that the murderess of General Zurcon is dead.
There is no doubt that is at least one still living accomplice to that crime, because the American aviator was murdered after the conspirator was killed in the course of evading justice. But really, if he ends up needing to pin that latest murder on some unfortunate recently-deceased in order to close the case, it wouldn't be the end of the world. After all, long, pointless discussions on who exactly shot down whom are pretty much the hobby of the air service, and they're welcome to it in this case.
Seven suspects left - so who will they recently-decease today:
Miss Eliza Bradshaw at the instigation of Battista Lalonde; or
Major Conte Leo di Leonato as suggested by Captain Arthur Slackbladder?
Or maybe they are both wrongly accused?
Voting is now open.
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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
"Yes, thank you, Captain Slackbladder. I too am of the opinion that the tank commander could be the head of the traitorous opposition. If so, however, he should be unable to attack anyone for the next two nights owing to a slight mishap in picking off Lt.Burt.
If Miss Bradshaw is a turncoat, then actually she is the dangerous one right now, for she may still kill one of us. This was why I nominated her. It is, of course, most important that the remaining citizens vote together.
And no. The bar is still closed. I will however sell you a leetle something to take away with you to tide you over until tomorrow."
Battista smiled. " Of course, it will be a trifle more expensive than usual, but then, who else could you come to on Good Friday?"
I'm not sure I follow you, if they are both the conspirators then we still win just with no margin.
(this seems unlikely)
If they are 2 of a bigger conspiracy, then they can kill anyway.
(again this is a little unlikely)
In the other cases then worrying about the finer details of roles is unimportant.
If only one is guilty then we need to get whichever we've listed (and then get their accomplice in 2 tries).
If neither are guilty, we've thrown away our chance and need to recognise this ASAP. In which case it will likely remain to the odd innocent to decide the game.
Given it's looking very likely at least one of us will have to convince the odd innocent in a clash between the obvious pair (me and the survivor) and the mafia, I assert that I'll vote the opposite way to the first non accused*.
*of course I may not, and in any case it could be me and an outside member, but...
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Well, this is curious. Voting has been open for about 20 hours, and so far, the only post is by someone abdicating responsibility for the decision. I know we're down to 7 of us, but I find that odd.
Anyway, I'm going to stick with my gut instinct and vote for leonato.
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It certainly is quiet around here.
I obviously don't have much choice in my vote: Eliza Bradshaw
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Captain Slackbladder, it may be odd, or it may reflect that none of us is sure of anything. I'm going to go with your gut instinct and vote for Conte Leo di Leonato.
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Jay-Emm
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Originally posted by The Great Gumby:
Well, this is curious. Voting has been open for about 20 hours, and so far, the only post is by someone abdicating responsibility for the decision. I know we're down to 7 of us, but I find that odd.
Anyway, I'm going to stick with my gut instinct and vote for leonato.
As promised Eliza.
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"Right, I'll stick my fucking neck out again... Major Conte Leo di Leonato gets my vote."
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Banner Lady
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Battista was not sure his fasting from everything except ouzo was helping his thought processes at this critical point. With some difficulty he hung the upturned cup on the bottle and staggered up the stairs to vote.
The freezing wind certainly woke him up. Unfortunately it also woke up his bladder. After a long, satisfying and steamy piss against the church wall, he made his way to the hotel as snow began feathering down in the gathering gloom.
"Well," he thought, "If I vote for Eliza, it is a tied vote, and she is certainly not going to vote for herself. She may not even vote for Conte Leo. It is possible she will vote for no lynching and then we have lost an opportunity to expose a conspirator. And I do indeed think the Conte may be the ringleader." He cleared his throat.
"Very well, Major Daute, I will cast my vote for Conte Leo.
May God have mercy on his soul."
Suddenly, Battista felt a pressing need for another cup of ouzo...
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"Pass the fucking bottle when you're done, will yer?"
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Eliab
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In the circumstances, I'm prepared to assume that Eliza is unlikely to have voted for herself, and not hold up the end of voting to wait for someone who may be under RL time pressure.
Conte Leo is lynched and may post a death scene. He was an Allied Soldier.
NIGHT FALLS. Any unwounded character with a night action may take it now.
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The Great Gumby
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Shit. Sorry, guys.
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"Merde!!!" Battista was overcome by sorrow. He had honestly liked the dashing tank commander with his love of fine brandy and good wine.
"Ah, mon ami, these leetle girls will be the death of us all yet..."
He sighed, and having sworn off ouzo for life, poured himself a stiff Sambucca.
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Ugh. Good Friday has turned out to be very bad indeed. How many more chances do we have?
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