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jedijudy

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
re spoilers in trailer for upcoming "Star Wars: The Last Jedi":

IMPORTANT: the trailer, evidently out now/soon, is known to have a major spoiler. Even someone from the film said so. I don't know what it is, and I haven't seen the trailer.

But I'm already having to avoid articles about the *trailer*, let alone the movie. NOT a happy camper.

Now I'll have to avoid the trailer, too. [Frown]

Anyway, fair warning to all who don't want spoilers.

And to anyone who knows: PLEASE don't even think of posting the slightest whiff of a hint.

Thx.

I have started a thread here to address this issue. Golden Key, (and all others who would like to avoid spoilers,) you are excused from looking at it! [Big Grin]

See, I told y'all that I was nice! [Biased]

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lilbuddha:
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They are all Force sensitives, but that does not equal Jedi.
The meaning of the word has evidently changed since the 70s then, when Lucas certainly *seemed* to be using 'Jedi' to mean 'anyone who can manipulate the Force [who hasn't gone over to the Dark Side]' in the first three films: "He is our last hope... No. There is another".

Mind you, he's been guilty of clunky retrofitting of plot devices before <whispers> midichlorians <\whispers>

I admit, I did like the reboot, I mean the first of the new films. Even though it was basically a remake of 'A New Hope'.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jane R:
lilbuddha:
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They are all Force sensitives, but that does not equal Jedi.
The meaning of the word has evidently changed since the 70s then, when Lucas certainly *seemed* to be using 'Jedi' to mean 'anyone who can manipulate the Force [who hasn't gone over to the Dark Side]' in the first three films: "He is our last hope... No. There is another".


From the original first film.
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I want to come with you to Alderaan. There's nothing for me here now. I want to learn the ways of the Force and become a Jedi like my father
Become. Given that Lucas isn't super strong on building characters or worlds subtly, the most logical interpretations that one becomes a Jedi.
It is difficult to tell because of time and the tangled mess that the birth and continuation of that universe is.

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quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
[]I have started a thread here to address this issue. Golden Key, (and all others who would like to avoid spoilers,) you are excused from looking at it! [Big Grin]

See, I told y'all that I was nice! [Biased]

I have not clicked the link, but could you do us a favour? Threads often appear on the front page with bits of the text. Can you put in a medium sized paragraph of filler before discussing the issue?

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jedijudy

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Consider it done, lilBuddha!

Looking back at my OP, I think the original paragraph will suffice. It has no spoilers, just a greeting, so to speak.

If someone finds it to not be sufficient, please let me know!

[ 16. October 2017, 16:32: Message edited by: jedijudy ]

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quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
Consider it done, lilBuddha!

Looking back at my OP, I think the original paragraph will suffice. It has no spoilers, just a greeting, so to speak.

If someone finds it to not be sufficient, please let me know!

Thank you! Just to be safe, I recommend not looking at the front page until after one sees the film.

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How long do we have to wait - is it December again? Cos that's a long way away to avoid trailers and everyfink.

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jedijudy

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Opening day is set for December 15, 2017. Unless, of course, you go to the early show on December 14! [Big Grin]

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First, February cannot arrive soon enough, Black Panther!!!

Second Blade Runner spoiler


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I really liked the film, but
Fuck Ridley Scott and Hans Zimmer with a red hot and rusty farm implement!
The music need never be that loud and tense. The fucking idea is to underscore the film, not fucking compete with it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Prester John:
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
Blade Runner fan reporting back here from Blade Runner 2049. You won't be disappointed if you enjoyed the first one. Avoid spoilers at all costs.

Just saw it and throughly enjoyed it, although I felt some of the nudity was gratuitous.
I would agree. There was a place for part of it, but not all of it.
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One thing that struck me though was that the original did a much better job of capturing the grittiness of urban living, despite the fact it was created three decades ago.

Without adding any spoilers, I think this was the choice of adding so much aerial particulate to scenes. They went to lengths to shoot physical sets, both miniature and full size. Given the amount of effort made the look is intentional, not an artefact of the process.

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quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
Opening day is set for December 15, 2017. Unless, of course, you go to the early show on December 14! [Big Grin]

Ta.

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I watched Se7en for the first time since the cinema in 1995.

It's an excellent film. But what struck me was how desensitised I have become since then. Perhaps it's watching CSI, or that I was in my early twenties and hadn't seen a lot of violence/ gore. But I found the scenes really quite gruesome in 1995, but wasn't shocked this time. I was more impressed by the coughing.

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I didn't like Se7en, though I was impressed by it. I thought the lieutenant's wife could have done a lot better for herself - Brad Pitt barely seemed able to string a coherent sentence together most of the time, unlike Morgan Freeman.

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* mild spoilers ahead *

I agree with lilBuddha about the volume of the music on Blade Runner 2049 - at times it made dialogue hard to hear, at other times it was slightly painful.

For me, this was a real shame, because the music and the visuals were otherwise very immersive. They took me back into the tense, grimy, alienating world of the original film (suitably adjusted for 30 more years of environmental degradation).

I liked the way that 2049 has digital people (AI holograms) as well as humans and replicants, expanding on the blurring of the distinction between natural and artificial people in the first film. Also: yes, the nudity seemed gratuitous (and one-sided) to me, too.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alwyn:
expanding on the blurring of the distinction between natural and artificial people in the first film.

If you want a similar, longer look at this theme, see if you can find Äkta människor (Real Humans) series anywhere, preferably the Swedish original not a remake.

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Äkta människor was great.

quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
The music need never be that loud and tense. The fucking idea is to underscore the film, not fucking compete with it.

Agree with you and Alwyn. It distracted me terribly and I wish I had earmuffs for it.

The visuals had me hooked [glad I saw it on the big screen] and the story, and issues it raised, had me thinking and also thinking I may need a second viewing to examine them more deeply.

On the nudity, I felt a bit uncomfortable, and did notice it was the one sex featured. I did wonder though if that was a sign of society regressing...K's "companion" was a woman also and marketed on billboards as such - no sign of a man? In a Trumpian world, was it a sign of what may happen when society collapses and is ruled by organisations?

But I say that as a man and will listen to what the women have to say on this as I may be blind/mansplaining away...

Orient Express next for me I think. Only saw the poster but I'm a sucker for Agatha.

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:

I really liked the film, but
Fuck Ridley Scott and Hans Zimmer with a red hot and rusty farm implement!
The music need never be that loud and tense. The fucking idea is to underscore the film, not fucking compete with it.

I hadn't made the connection before but Zimmer also directed Sicario. Same issue.
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quote:
Originally posted by Prester John:
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:

I really liked the film, but
Fuck Ridley Scott and Hans Zimmer with a red hot and rusty farm implement!
The music need never be that loud and tense. The fucking idea is to underscore the film, not fucking compete with it.

I hadn't made the connection before but Zimmer also directed Sicario. Same issue.
Sicario was directed by Denis Villeneuve, who also directed Blade Runner. I think buddha meant that Zimmer did the music for Blade Ronner 2049? He is a composer, I believe.
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quote:
Originally posted by Stetson:
quote:
Originally posted by Prester John:
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:

I really liked the film, but
Fuck Ridley Scott and Hans Zimmer with a red hot and rusty farm implement!
The music need never be that loud and tense. The fucking idea is to underscore the film, not fucking compete with it.

I hadn't made the connection before but Zimmer also directed Sicario. Same issue.
Sicario was directed by Denis Villeneuve, who also directed Blade Runner. I think buddha meant that Zimmer did the music for Blade Ronner 2049? He is a composer, I believe.
Yep. You're correct. Misread that.
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Scott was the executive producer. I was thinking Nolan as the last two movies he and Zimmer worked on together, the music was oppressive and obnoxious. Interstellar and Dunkirk.
So Zimmer is the common denominator but equally execrable are the producers that allow him to produce such excrement.

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Watched in this corner of the world(animation) on monday night. This is an excellent film for anyone who is interested
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Also looking forward to seeing both a silent voice and your name (animation). Has anyone seen them, are they as good as I am expecting them to be?
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I'm racking my brain for a film title:

Australian, around 2007-2010, about a group of high school graduates who conduct a home invasion of an ex-music teacher whom one of the grads accuses of having molested her.

I went to the Wikipedia list of Australian films and nothing jogged my memory.

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Originally posted by Trudy Scrumptious:
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Originally posted by Twilight:
I long to see Maudie, but it's not showing in a theatre near me; it not being animated, nor having any guns.

Oh, Maudie is lovely, I hope you do get to see it somehow. I know what you mean about the lack of animation or guns ... we also live in the sort of place where smaller, artier movies either don't come at all, or are here so briefly that by the time you've made plans to get out of the house, the movie is gone. But Maudie had a good long run here because it was filmed here and lots of local people were involved (even though it's set in Nova Scotia, it was filmed in Newfoundland because [obscure thing about the Nova Scotia film industry that I don't understand but that lots of NS arts people are mad about but worked out to our benefit here in Nfld in this case]).
I finally got to see it when my son bought the DVD for me. It was so beautiful! Just my kind of film, brilliantly acted and lovely to look at with the most inspiring story.

Maudie just went through life, quietly doing what was important to her, letting problems like zero money, a painful disability and a grouchy husband just roll off her back.
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quote:
Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
I'm racking my brain for a film title:

Australian, around 2007-2010, about a group of high school graduates who conduct a home invasion of an ex-music teacher whom one of the grads accuses of having molested her.

I went to the Wikipedia list of Australian films and nothing jogged my memory.

Hey PG, this description did not ring any bells for me, but I entered some of your terms into Google and Blame popped up. Is this the one?

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I just saw Murder on the Orient Express. Even plumped for the Gold Class cinema* as I had a rough week and thought I deserved it.

I really enjoyed it. The moustache should really be in the credits as its own character, but from the scenery to the filming to the superb actors, I just loved being taken along for a ride on a good old-fashioned murder mystery. Good doses of humour too.


* larger-seats; fewer patrons; meals/drinks available

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quote:
Originally posted by Ian Climacus:
I just saw Murder on the Orient Express. Even plumped for the Gold Class cinema* as I had a rough week and thought I deserved it.

I really enjoyed it. The moustache should really be in the credits as its own character, but from the scenery to the filming to the superb actors, I just loved being taken along for a ride on a good old-fashioned murder mystery. Good doses of humour too.


* larger-seats; fewer patrons; meals/drinks available

I think I'm going to see it tonight so I'm glad to see your review.

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Call me by your Name - beautiful scenary but self-indulgent - and they cut the ending of the book.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
quote:
Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
I'm racking my brain for a film title:

Australian, around 2007-2010, about a group of high school graduates who conduct a home invasion of an ex-music teacher whom one of the grads accuses of having molested her.

I went to the Wikipedia list of Australian films and nothing jogged my memory.

Hey PG, this description did not ring any bells for me, but I entered some of your terms into Google and Blame popped up. Is this the one?
Indeed! Blame is the film. Thank you.

I highly recommend it. I saw it at the Toronto Film Festival, and Michael Henry was in attendance for a Q&A. For a first time feature director, he was surprisingly light on his feet, very apt. It helped that the audience was very receptive.

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POSSIBLE SPOILERS

A few weeks back, I watched Mother!, by Darren Aronofsky. Sort of a reflection on the incursion of literary fame into the writer's family, done up in barebones parable form. Characters and situations just seem to come and go out of nowhere for the purpose of making the story's main point, with little depth or background to any of them.

The story kind of combines Rosemary's Baby with The Exterminating Angel(woman loses control of her maternity, in an environment of increasingly horrific zaniness). Bonus points for going into themese that the horror genre doesn't normally explore, at least not in the last couple of benighted(for that genre) decades.

Overall, though, I tend to think that when an artist gets to the point where his subject-matter of choice is the life of an artist, it's time to start thinking about maybe doing something else.

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Justice League spoilers!!
Really!! A lot of spoilers!!

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Daughter-Unit and I went to see Justice League today. It was fun to watch, and there were some good belly laughs, but I'm afraid Marvel does better in the movie realm than DC does. And this is a confession from a DC fan from many decades ago.

I love Wonder Woman. That's all there is to it. She is da bomb. She has the most heart, and looks like she really cares about what she's doing. Cyborg was OK once he stopped feeling so sorry for himself. (OK, I'd probably feel sorry for myself too.)

The Flash is a cute kid, but I think DC was trying to make their own version of the latest Spiderman, who is amazing.

The Justice League all came together, but I didn't feel they were quite a team. Maybe the next movie.

Actually, I think this was a remake of Lord of the Rings with the JL as the Fellowship, Steppenwolf as Sauron, and one tower instead of two.

But go watch it if you like such movies. It's not a dud, in spite of everything I just wrote!

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THE BEAVER

I'd been putting this one off for a while, since I figured it would be a lot of cutesiness and gimmickery, but it actually wasn't half bad. Though "not half bad" can probably be taken a little more literally than usual there.

Manages to present, by Hollywood standards, a semi-credible portrayal of mental illness, without falling into the usual pseudo-intellectual cliches about how it's really society that is crazy. And while we do end up with the standard tinseltown happy ending, the script takes us into some fairly dark places before we arrive there.

The idea of a manic-depressive guy who talks through a hand-puppet becoming a national hero has its own feel-good logic to it, but that's about the best you can say for its plausibility.

(No spolier worries on the happy ending; it's obvious from the promos that this isn't The Little Girl Who Lives Down The Lane.)

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Battle Of The Sexes.

With the caveat that I am a total sucker for socially relevant period-pieces set in the 1970s, this one is pretty good.

As the title suggests, it's about the 1973 tennis match between Bobby Riggs and Billie Jean King, and the notorious build-up in which the "male chauvinist pig" Biggs baited the "women's libber" King. Also included is the concurrent story of King's same-sex love affair with her hairdresser.

I think it's been generally known that Riggs hyperbolized his own sexism for the purposes of showmanship, but this film gives you the impression that he wasn't really that sexist at all, apart from his outrageous mocking of woman athletes. Riggs here is portrayed as desperately wanting the match for his own career purposes, and is actually the one who sold the idea to King as "chauvinist vs. libber". There seems to have been very little animosity between them(though he apparently expected her to lose), and quite a bit of affection, which from what I've read about the match, is quite true.

The protrayal of King's relationship with her girlfriend manages to be quite erotic(in a subdued sort of way), without being exploitative. The script also doesn't try to minimize the impact that an extramarital relationship can have on one's marriage, though King's husband is shown as continuing his support for her throughout(true, from the little I remember of her outting in the late early 80s).

And it's always a pleasure to watch Steve Carrell. Riggs ends up being the more interesting of the two characters, probably because we're pleasantly surpised at what a likable, though somewhat troubled, guy he is. But all the performances, especially the two leads, are pretty good.

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Has anyone seen Paddington 2 yet? I'm longing to see it.

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Originally posted by Sparrow:
Has anyone seen Paddington 2 yet? I'm longing to see it.

Yes - it's lovely, very funny, and Hugh Grant is wonderful. Go and see it [Big Grin]

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I've only just got to see the first Paddington film - it was on special offer, and I needed something comforting to watch.
It was quite lovely.

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The original Rocky is making the rounds in Korea again, and I watched it for the second time in my life(the first time being less than a decade ago). I guess it's engaging enough, in that 1970s gritty urban realism sort of a way.

Still mildly repulsed by the drinking raw eggs business, especially since it seems that the glass has used repeatedly for that purpose without washing. But I guesss that's the point.

And it has to be said that Talia Shire's dorky-wallflower-becomes-sexy-and-extroverted-just-by-taking-off-her-glasses was about as unconvinving as those things usually are.

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Murder On The Orient Express.

I can't say I've been much impressed with Kenneth Branagh's directorial efforts(of those I've seen), and this one didn't do much to change that. Part of the problem, as some critics have argued, might be the script's over-emphasis on Poirot, but I think the lacklustre source material might be thhe bigger culprit.

I'm probably not the only person who thinks Agatha Christie is rather past her best-before date. I mean, how many stories do we need to read or see featurning a bunch of well-heeled socialites trapped in close quarters as murder suspects? Especially in a story like this, where you can pretty much figure out the big plot twist(or at least the general gist of it) halfway through the investigation.

The exact moment I decided to stop reading Agatha Christie's books was when I was maybe a few pages into a novel, and was able to figure out the culprit by reading the chapter headings in the table of contents. I did enjoy her before that, though, and I guess if you're a newbie and totally unfamiliar with her devices, something like Murder On The Orient Express might be interesting.

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We nipped out last night and caught The Man Who Invented Christmas, a movie about Charles Dickens. Delightful and pretty fairly accurate as far as I can tell. And it is never a hardship to look at Dan Stevens, having a grand time in the role of a 30-ish Dickens.

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War Horse - somewhat sentimental

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War Horse - somewhat sentimental

It's stuff like that which holds me back from being a Spielberg completist.

(Though I suppose if I were a Spielberg completist, I would watch it, and if I realized it was better than expected, I'd be glad I WAS a completist, not like the unfortunate non-completist I am without realizing it in this time-line that I'm stuck in.)

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Question about War Horse (the book, not the film) - Would a horse eat a Cornish pasty? Meat, and all that.

As to both book and film, they are terribly sentimental, and I find myself incapable of resistance, to my shame. And I don't know why.

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I haven't read the book; but I found the film so sentimental as to be totally innoculated to its charms (though there were some great cinematic set-pieces). The stage show is coming next yar and it will be interesting to see its "take".

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I saw the stage show, and the puppet horse is just fantabulous -- all the farm animals are a triumph of stagecraft. The sentimentality however is still there.

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All the reviews of Wonder say that it "has its heart in the right place", but then, how likely is it that a film about a kid with a facial deformity going to school for the first time is not going to unashamedly take the side of the kid?

The reviews also said it was formulaic and predictable, but with thoughtful, creative and original twists.

I didn't find that.

It was not nearly as gritty, realistic or astringent as I had hoped.

It just seemed to systematically tick every box in the genre.

SPOILER ALERT

At the point where the family's cute dog dies, I thought, "Fonzie's just jumped the shark!".

And the boy's father (Owen Wilson who, as usual, just plays himself) is obviously well-off, but just as obviously has a very undemanding job which gives him unlimited time with his family.

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Beach Rats where a teenager gets so high on drugs that he becomes accomplice to murder.

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This isn't quite the place for this, since it's a movie that isn't out yet, but here's the first official trailer for

The Public

I can not wait to be able to see this!

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Pangolin Guerre:
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Question about War Horse (the book, not the film) - Would a horse eat a Cornish pasty? Meat, and all that.
Depends (a) on the horse and (b) how hungry it is. Other herbivores have been observed eating meat in the wild: sheep and deer have both been spotted killing and eating bird chicks.

Pretty sure Michael Morpurgo would have done his homework on this issue.

...though what I actually logged in to say was, I have seen Paddington 2 and it is very nearly as good as the first film, something which you can't say of many sequels.

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No spoilers here about the latest Star Wars movie. I enjoyed it for the most part although there was some fluff that could have been cut which would have cut down on the plot holes. Definitely going to see it again, and again and again.
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a 2 -film weekend for me, which is amazing seeing as I probably go to the cinema about 6-7 times a year

Saw new Star Wars on my own, on Friday night. Thought it was really good, and I'll discuss it further on the specific thread

On saturday we took the Kipperlets to see "The Star" - a cartoon retelling of the Nativity story from the Donkey's perspective

Of course there is a degree of artistic license involved (backstory of the donkey, additonal peril on the road to Bethlehem), but it's no more far-fetched / heretical than you would see in a typical School or Sunday School Nativity play and most of it seemed to match the biblical points and even brings in the idea of redemption.
Plus a roster of stars doing the voices and a liberal sprinkling of some gospel Christmas songs that I recognised from years of Choir Christmas concerts. Even if you don't have kiddies (who won't just dismiss the bible story) to take to it, the soundtrack might be something to look out for.

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