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Originally posted by Anglican_Brat:
The Blessed John XXIII, I suspect, would be more open to collegiality and dissent. I suspect he would be quite conservative on some matters, but he would not silence Hans Kung, and even though he might find Matthew Fox a bit "unique", I suspect Fox would still be in the RCC fold.
I don't know about that. It was during his pontificate that the Holy Office "monitum " was issued against Teilhard de Chardin
It was easier treatment then under Pius XII. And Chardin was mild compared to the likes of Kung and Fox
Ottaviani was the Cardinal in charge of the Holy Office/Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and also the lead conservative in the Curia. It was Ottaviani who lead the charge against de Chardin. See here:
Cardinal Ottaviani
This analysis in the National Catholic Reporter, I believe accurately sums up where Fr Ratzinger stood at the time of the Council and cogently points out that he has been consistent in his position since Vatican II - but that his and the previous pontificate have been those of the conservative wing of the reformers. He is no Siri or Ottaviani. Thankfully. Insight into the reforming party at Vatican II
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For me the really wonderful thing about John XXIII was that he was a person who had spent many ,many years away from the Vatican,away from Catholic Italy also.He was for a long time in the secular,though by tradition Muslim, Turkey
where clergy were not allowed to wear religious habits.this was followed by more years in France,eldest daughter of the Church perhaps,but a country which had ,like Turkey, complete separation between the religious and the secular sphere.This long experience of life outside of traditional Catholicism made him in many ways more open to the world that his hieratic predecessor who was in my lifetime my first experience of the papacy,the 'pastor angelicus' of the prophecies of Malachy,Pius XII.
John XXIII smiled,and when you see photographs or film of his public appearances usually either the pope and more importantly those he was meeting were smiling and happy to see him. In this way he simply made the world a better place to be.Those who look back to the brief pontificate of JP I usually focus on his smile.
I hope that above all the new pope will be a 'papa sorridente',a smiling pope,who will be able to transmit to others that happiness which comes of serving Christ .
The gentle smile of Benedict XVI has been noticed over the last period of time. His words today at his penultimate Sunday Angelus were very moving. Do we choose 'io o Dio' ? myself (in first place,of course) or God ?
It must be God who has first place.
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One of the finest men there, imo, is an Irishman, Mgr Paul Tighe.
I met Mgr Paul Tighe a couple of years ago, and I was so impressed by him. He and his department seemed utterly focussed on serving the Church.
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I think the Curia is in need of a massive restructuring and some joined-up thinking between the various dicasteries. As it is, I think they are like a collection of medieval Italian duchies, all doing their own thing.
That was my impression from visiting the Vatican - the operation was just massive. I'm CofE and was coming with pre-conceptions (and prejudices?) that everything would be tightly controlled from the top. I did not think that once I'd been there.
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It is possible to successfully run an organisation like that - there is some interesting research on how Bletchley Park worked during the WWII. Heard about it on radio 4, but I can't find a link.
Anyway the gist was that Bletchley was the anti-thesis of how organisations are conventionally supposed to be managed - 100s worked there and didn't know what each other were doing. But the organisation was very successful
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The Reuters news network has an interesting article: Pope Will Have Security,Immunity By Remaining In The Vatican.
I'd been wondering if that was a factor. (And if we can't avoid the Dead Horse of abuse by clergy, we can start a DH thread. But I think there's room for discussing how/whether the legal logistics are affecting his decision to stay in the Vatican.)
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
The Reuters news network has an interesting article: Pope Will Have Security,Immunity By Remaining In The Vatican.
I'd been wondering if that was a factor. (And if we can't avoid the Dead Horse of abuse by clergy, we can start a DH thread. But I think there's room for discussing how/whether the legal logistics are affecting his decision to stay in the Vatican.)
From the same article -
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Another consideration was that if the pope did move permanently to another country, living in seclusion in a monastery in his native Germany, for example, the location might become a place of pilgrimage.
... and tourism of course. 1000s visit the Vatican for this purpose.
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Yes, that, too. It surprised me when I read the article, because I hadn't thought of that. And I suppose some folks might decide that HE is still the true pope, which could trigger another schismatic mess.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
And if we can't avoid the Dead Horse of abuse by clergy, we can start a DH thread.
Some folks have argued that it should be a DH, but currently it isn't. Best not to tangent this thread, however, if any of you do want to discuss this some more.
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I see Fox gets a plug in for his book after getting off his high horse
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According to La Repubblica, the dossier comprising "two volumes of almost 300 pages – bound in red" had been consigned to a safe in the papal apartments and would be delivered to the pope's successor upon his election.
Poisoned chalice? Maybe his reasons for resigning - age frailty etc - were also a carefully considered reaction of 'I can't deal with this'?
My first thought (which I pushed back as uncharitable ) when I heard of his resignation was 'there is scandal here'.
![[Frown]](frown.gif) I feel for ordinary Catholics who don't need their foundations shaking.
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I feel for ordinary Catholics who don't need their foundations shaking.
Ordinary Catholics would feel that the foundations of their faith are shaken by the existence of a homosexual network among prelates?
Maybe somewhere deep in Africa, but they are unlikely to get the news anyhow. In the West, this will rather demonstrate that saying the word "obviously" can indicate many different things...
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When did the Pope call Thich Nhat Hahn the anti-Christ?
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Originally posted by IngoB:
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Originally posted by Boogie:
I feel for ordinary Catholics who don't need their foundations shaking.
Ordinary Catholics would feel that the foundations of their faith are shaken by the existence of a homosexual network among prelates?
Maybe somewhere deep in Africa, but they are unlikely to get the news anyhow. In the West, this will rather demonstrate that saying the word "obviously" can indicate many different things...
What I find unbelievable is that the existence of a homosexual network amongst Priests would lead to the Pope resigning. If there is a scandal it's got to be bigger than that or is the organisation so morally bankrupt that men having sex with other consenting adults and then being blackmailed brings down a papacy but multiple cases of rape and mistreatment of children around the world is hushed up and the perpetrators are protected over decades and shielded from civil justice.
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A normally reasonable and rational acquaintance of mine posted an awful article from some stupid website that was highly inflammatory claiming the Pope resigned because of crimes against humanity and was seeking immunity under Italian law.
Such charges included:
" documented crimes of child torture, trafficking and genocide linked to Pope Benedict and Vatican officials"
"In Canada alone, the Roman Catholic Church and its Vatican agents have been found guilty of responsibility for genocide and the deaths of at least 50,000 aboriginal child children in the Jesuit-initiated Indian residential school system, that operated until 1996.
In Ireland, more than 10,000 women suffered and were exploited in the Catholic-run Magdalene Laundries, where many of them died. Similar church-run institutions all over the world have caused enormous mortality, disease and ruination for millions of children. And yet the church has never been held accountable or prosecuted for these deaths and the theft of enormous wealth from entire nations."
I don't want to link to the website because it's already said it's thrilled to have received 300,000 hits and it totally doesn't deserve anymore.
It implies the Catholic church is intentionally engaging in criminal acts.
Jaysus effing Christ.....the stupidity of some people knows no bounds.
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Originally posted by Evensong:
In Ireland, more than 10,000 women suffered and were exploited in the Catholic-run Magdalene Laundries, where many of them died.
That's actually true of course, Though you would expect that insitutions that held thousands of inmates and operated for over two centuries would have had quite a few deaths just at random.
I don't see what the soon-to-be-not-Pope has to do with it though. They were set up long before he was born, the abuses that the Irish State is accused of colluding in were committed while he was a university professor in Germany, and they were already under investigation and being closed down before he got to be Pope.
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Originally posted by Evensong:
A normally reasonable and rational acquaintance of mine posted an awful article from some stupid website that was highly inflammatory claiming the Pope resigned because of crimes against humanity and was seeking immunity under Italian law.
Which ignores the rather obvious point that as the head of state of Vatican City the Pope would have more legal immunity if he didn't resign.
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It implies the Catholic church is intentionally engaging in criminal acts.
Well, I'm pretty sure you don't run what amounts to a slave labor network like the Magdalene Laundries for over a century purely by accident, but as ken points out the only connection the current Pope has with them is institutionally. The few heads of state that have been brought to trial for the misdeeds of their government (e.g. Slobodan Milošević) have only been regarded as responsible for things that happened during their rule, not every past misdeed of the state they represent.
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Originally posted by IngoB:
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Originally posted by Boogie:
I feel for ordinary Catholics who don't need their foundations shaking.
Ordinary Catholics would feel that the foundations of their faith are shaken by the existence of a homosexual network among prelates?
Fair point - I will put my unwarranted empathy away.
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So I wonder if every cardinal going into the conclave thinks about what name they'd choose. I don't really see that at all. So the new pope just has to think quickly?
It usually takes several elections to find a new pope. Often it takes several days. Generally the future pope would have ample warning through that process, even time to sleep on it. That said, I wonder if there's a sort of unofficial but widely agreed upon understanding of the symbolism of the names. Or whether each candidate relies on his own reading of papal history...
My money is on Gregory.
To use 'Benedict' would be too obvious a link with what had gone immediately before, and provide a little confusion as the former pontiff is still alive; 'John Paul III' might be seen as too presumptuous and wanting to be another 'super-pope' as it were; 'Paul VII' might awaken an image of a Hamlet-like figure (to use John XXIII's phrase about Montini); 'John XXIV' too obviously a reforming agenda, and many in the College would recall that all Johns have short pontificates; 'Pius XIII' would send out too clear a possible restorationist theme, and give rise to shrieks from the unthinking about 'Hitler's pope' and all that twaddle; Leo a possibility as Leo XIII was gentle, intelligent and mildly reformist.
Which of more modern name uses leaves...Gregory. And a distinguished past with 'Gregory the Great'.
This might be an interesting choice for members of the English Church - however you may wish to interpeet that.
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This might be an interesting choice for members of the English Church - however you may wish to interpeet that.
Yes. It reminds everyone of the Italian Mission to the Angles.
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Fair point - I will put my unwarranted empathy away.
The sympathy is appreciated but remember it has been just over 10 years since news of the scandals broke in the U.S. Most peoples' faith was not shaken by that or by subsequent rumors.
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Originally posted by fletcher christian:
When did the Pope call Thich Nhat Hahn the anti-Christ?
In another essay Fox writes that 'the Vatican' declared Nhat Hahn the antichrist. Being a fan of Nhat Hahn, I was surprised and wanted to follow this up. However, the only source for this online is Matthew Fox and he fails to substantiate the accusation.
Ironically Google will point you to sites accusing John Paul II and Benedict XVI of being the antichrist for engaging in inter-religious dialogue with among others Buddhists.
Nhat Hahn's book Living Buddha, Living Christ reports cordial and enlightening exchanges with lay Catholics and clerics, including the odd cardinal - none of whom appear to regard him as the antichrist.
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HH Pope Benedict XVI is to be known as... HH Pope Benedict XVI
I think his successor should go for Innocent.
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Why can't he have a new name - what about Luke, Mark or someone suitable penitent like Dismas.
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Well, I quite the idea of Onesimus too, if only to enjoy people stumbling over it.
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I'd like to see Adrian. Adrian VII. It is a good strong name, and recognizable to modern ears. But it is also old enough that it doesn't come with a ton of baggage.
Julius IV wouldn't be bad either. I'm also partial to Felix, but there would be issues with numbering because two of the five popes with that name are now considered antipopes; awkward.
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Cardinal O'Brien seems to have sensed a weakness in the force allowing him an opportunity to talk about women clergy again!
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Originally posted by Anglican_Brat:
Matthew Fox shares his opinion
I detect a tone of bitterness...
Fox invented the Rave Mass. That alone should prevent sensible people from taking anything he says seriously.
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My money is on Gregory.
I beat you on that one, see above.
(On the off-topic question of the Magdalene laundries, the commentary by Brendan O'Neil was interesting.)
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(On the off-topic question of the Magdalene laundries, the commentary by Brendan O'Neil was interesting.)
Thanks for that. Interesting.
Anti-Catholicism seems to be getting almost as bad as Islamophobia.
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How is discussing the very real sins of the Catholic Church anti-Catholicism?
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Has a Jesuit ever been elected Pope?
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No. Thirty-four popes have come from religious orders, but no Jesuits.
The last pope to be a religious was Gregory XVI (1831-46), who was a Camoldolese monk.
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How is discussing the very real sins of the Catholic Church anti-Catholicism?
It's not.
But it can become it. As Ingo's article suggests
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Cardinal O'Brien seems to have sensed a weakness in the force allowing him an opportunity to talk about women clergy again!
In the news item I saw, he wasn't talking about ordaining women. He was talking about re-opening the prohibition on male priests having wives.
Unless one were to argue that the clergy in all the other ecclesial communities in the world, who marry women, sleep with them and have children with them, become women priests by association, these aren't even related topics.
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Father Lombardi also observes that quote:
the Vatican spokesman said those putting themselves in positions of judgement had no authority to do so.
The RC Church has always been strong on acknowledging the authority of others to make judgements, of course.
The Vatican does seem extremely uneasy at the attention they're getting at the moment, and it's very naughty of the internet not to do what it's told. "Mummy knows best" no longer seems to have the weight it once had.
Reminds me of the first time my kids said "no" in a measured rather than petulant way. Mrs passer and I were suddenly aware that this display of free will and self-determination meant that they would be leaving at some point.
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(On the off-topic question of the Magdalene laundries, the commentary by Brendan O'Neil was interesting.)
Interesting maybe, but his assertions about the McAleese report is incorrect. Here is the full report. Only 118 women who were actually in the institutions came forward to contribute to the report. Of all of them, there was one reported incident of sexual abuse and a minority reported severe physical abuse (not corporal punishment) or witnessing such.
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Has a Jesuit ever been elected Pope?
Jesuits take a vow to support the (white) Pope. I had recently read on a Catholic bulletin board of someone replying to the same question by answering, "Why would a Jesuit aspire to be (white) Pope when he could become 'black Pope' " (i.e. Jesuit General, who many including Catholics believe to be the Eminence Grise, power behind the 'the throne of Peter'. Their being thrown out of dozens of countries in the past is well documented - noticably absent is the discussion of this order on these boards).
[ PS: My many years of interactions with the Jesuits was by and large a fairly reasonable happy experience - with the 'lower' strata of the order, who do not get moved around much. Unfortunately, like with the Freemasons (at the lower end of the spectrum), most of whom enter to (genuinely) serve their community for the greater glory of God and so on, are conditioned into the system where anomalies are seldom questioned - or are allowed to be questioned. For instance, Freemasonry and St Peter’s Rome share the very exact symbolisms. As one ascends the ladder of these respective societies, the nature of worship and know-how begins to slightly change, significantly so nearer towards the summit where symbolism begins to unravel the Architect's (and Structural Engineers?) "knowledge".
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Computer security guru Bruce Schneier discusses how hard it would be to "hack" the conclave's election process. Answer: very. (He of course merely means hacking the election process itself. Attempts at "political" hacking of the election are, I'm sure, in full swing already...)
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Re hacking the conclave:
I've heard that no cell phones, etc. are to be allowed. But I bet *someone* will have one. If not the cardinals, then the various staff supporting them.
Think of that secret video of Romney saying that the lower classes aren't important, and all the fuss that caused...
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Re hacking the conclave:
I've heard that no cell phones, etc. are to be allowed. But I bet *someone* will have one. If not the cardinals, then the various staff supporting them.
Think of that secret video of Romney saying that the lower classes aren't important, and all the fuss that caused...
Interesting times!
I think maybe secrecy is becoming a thing of the past, especially for the rich and famous.
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Re hacking the conclave:
I've heard that no cell phones, etc. are to be allowed. But I bet *someone* will have one. If not the cardinals, then the various staff supporting them.
Think of that secret video of Romney saying that the lower classes aren't important, and all the fuss that caused...
I can confirm that these work most efficiently.
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There has been a Motu Proprio Normas Nonnullas issued by still Pope Benedict XVI. As analysed for example by Canon Lawyer Ed Peters, it basically means that the conclave can start earlier. I hear 10th or 11th of March being floated as the most likely date.
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They’ll have me whipp’d for speaking true; thou’lt have me whipp’d for lying; and sometimes I am whipp’d for holding my peace. - The Fool in King Lear
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With a hat tip to Fr. Z (no, really!), here's "Choose Your Pope!" by TheLutheranSatire. Ecumenic lulz, NSFL.
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