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I watched REV last night. Whilst more realistic than the pithy vicar of Dibley it was not really that funny IMO. I also was sad that the church seemed such a bleak and unhappy place.... and where was any sense of calling and dovotion in him?
But I did like a few of the characters and there were lots of truisms in there
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I thought it was very good. And perhaps it says about some of the churches I encounter that the church portrayed in the show seemed real. As did the portrayal of the vicar and his wife.
I found it laugh out loud funny most of the way through and very true.
"SPOILER ALERT"
I particularly liked the pit where he took off his dog collar to shout at builders who'd been giving him stick.
As a Methodist I can't say how accurate the portrayal of the Archdeacon was as we don't have those.
I loved it
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I enjoyed it. It felt real. I have no idea how real it was because my experience of CofE churches is very limited.
The humour was a bit predictable in places but the characters were strong and likeable (or love-to-hateable in the case of the Arch-Deacon).
What I liked most about it was that these felt like real flawed human beings. The fact that the congregation were something of a collection of oddballs without being caricatures or grotesques felt true to my non-Anglican experience of church in general - I've certainly met my fair share of Colins and Nigels.
And I did feel there was a sense of vocation about the vicar - it just wasn't overplayed. I enjoyed the scene where he prays and we hear it in voice-over.
Not laugh out loud funny but gently amusing and quite heart-warming in a way. I'd watch again.
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I was sorry to miss it, as I'd read it has had really good reviews. Hopefully it will be on BBCi.
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I agree, Wilson. I had expected to hate it, expecting it to take the piss out of the Church and be a bit cringey (cf The Vicar of Dibley). As it was, though, the people felt real and the humour was gently amusing, especially to those of us who have met the same characters IRL (all churches have them, don't they?).
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Chorister, it is indeed on iPlayer, here .
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I started another thread on this because I didn't see this one. This is what I said:
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Any reactions? The Guardian thought it was the Vicar of Dibley-lite. There are many similarities, the setting and the gender of the Vicar notwithstanding. I thought it was an entertaining half-hour's viewing but there were few laughs (wry chuckles maybe). Hopefully as the series gets into its stride it will develop more character. Perhaps we church professionals are always going to be on the look-out for liturgical and other faux-pas, or insider-humour, that we're not the best judges of how it comes across to others.
I hope the Archdeacon continues to pop up in future episodes: his world-weary cynicism was spot on.
I like Colin too!
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PS: Ecclesiantical tangent: considering his predecessor left 'for Rome' (according to the Archdeacon), the style of the church seemed very boringly MOTR. But there were no obvious solecisms that I noticed.
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I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. I agree the laughs were low in the first episode, but I'm quite heartened by that - we need time to get to know the characters. I'd rather have laughs from the characters coming up against situations rather than cheap gags - the bottle through the window was a bit rubbish.
And I LOVED the Archdeacon. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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PS: Ecclesiantical tangent: considering his predecessor left 'for Rome' (according to the Archdeacon), the style of the church seemed very boringly MOTR. But there were no obvious solecisms that I noticed.
Indeed. Cassock-alb and stole; two candles on the altar (with dust cloth, IIRC).
Is the church St James, Bermondsey? If so, it's quite a coincidene that I'd only read their new MW report a couple of days ago.
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Is the church St James, Bermondsey? If so, it's quite a coincidene that I'd only read their new MW report a couple of days ago.
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I think the exterior is St Leonard's Shoreditch .
I also enjoyed it - but I wonder if anyone who isn't acquainted with the C of E will stick with it long enough to understand the nuances?
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If his predecessor went to Rome and he wears a cassock-alb and stole to celebrate (even at a holy table with a dust sheet on it!), who on earth introduced the very evangelical 'Hymns for Today's Church' (in which 'All creatures of our God and king' is indeed no. 13)?
But in general I thought it was surprisingly convincing, and I enjoyed the not inaccurate caricatures.
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The closeted, educated, bookish type who is higher than he'd like his church to be ("Hello, Father!" "Please call me Adam!") and has become a Reader [after being turned down by his BAP*] despite having the pastoral skills of a gnat?
We've never met anyone like that...
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I found it gently humorous, but felt there was something badly wrong with the pacing.
That might improve as it gets into its stride ... or if they commission a second series?
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Also: what do we make of Nigel?
At first I didn't like the way he was portrayed as a Reader, but then I realise I've met far too many Readers like him!
Overall, I really enjoyed it but I'm trying to figure out why the Archdeacon seems to spend his time riding around in a black cab.
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Is the church St James, Bermondsey? If so, it's quite a coincidene that I'd only read their new MW report a couple of days ago.
Thurible
Not the interior, if indeed the same church is used for both. No east window. And the Archdeacon would have had difficulty getting his black cab to go sarf of the river.
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It is St Leonard's, Shoreditch according to a newspaper report I read about the series.
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Yes but I found it very sad. There was NO sense of church as dynamic, exciting, happy, meaningful. It made it seem as if church was a dead place where people only go when forced to by silly school rules.
THank GOd my own church is a much more vibrant, lively, God filled and happy place!
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Originally posted by Curious:
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Originally posted by Thurible:
Is the church St James, Bermondsey? If so, it's quite a coincidene that I'd only read their new MW report a couple of days ago.
Thurible
I think the exterior is St Leonard's Shoreditch .
I also enjoyed it - but I wonder if anyone who isn't acquainted with the C of E will stick with it long enough to understand the nuances?
Curious
This Methodist will - though having trained with Anglicans maybe it does help to understand some of the machinations.
But as I said above, I think many ministers of whatever denomination will understand the situations e.g. the wife who is a professional in her own right but there's an expectation of the her being "the vicars wife"; the grotty vicarage / manse near the church; the over friendly geriatric parishioner.
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I thought it was hysterical, it reminded me of so many people (even the Reader ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif) ). Was surprised at the language as there'd been no hint of that in the clips of it I'd seen.
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I found it very funny. Some of the characters were just so very recognisable and the vicar was just so vicar-ey...
Fab - can't wait til next week!
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Originally posted by Benny Diction 2:
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Originally posted by Curious:
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Originally posted by Thurible:
Is the church St James, Bermondsey? If so, it's quite a coincidene that I'd only read their new MW report a couple of days ago.
Thurible
I think the exterior is St Leonard's Shoreditch .
I also enjoyed it - but I wonder if anyone who isn't acquainted with the C of E will stick with it long enough to understand the nuances?
Curious
This Methodist will - though having trained with Anglicans maybe it does help to understand some of the machinations.
But as I said above, I think many ministers of whatever denomination will understand the situations e.g. the wife who is a professional in her own right but there's an expectation of the her being "the vicars wife"; the grotty vicarage / manse near the church; the over friendly geriatric parishioner.
[Edited to say] Sorry, Benny Diction! I meant to select your penultimate phrase above, not pass off your words as mine. I've seen far too many vicarages like that ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif) - though I've never had to live in one. The last 'proper' vicarage I had was far more elegant, but of course freezing cold.
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I’m obviously missing something……. I found it depressing and at times rather cringe worthy. I would hate for people to think that church is such a dead enervating place. I suppose I shall have to give it a chance, but I hope that there will be a bit more going on in church than just singing badly on a Sunday.
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has become a Reader [after being turned down by his BAP*] despite having the pastoral skills of a gnat?
![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif) I've met bishops with even less.
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Readers are primarily preachers and teachers.
Some take on pastoral work but it isn't in the job description.
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Chorister, it is indeed on iPlayer, here .
Hooray! Just a pity I'll have to wait until the weekend....
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I’m obviously missing something……. I found it depressing and at times rather cringe worthy. I would hate for people to think that church is such a dead enervating place. I suppose I shall have to give it a chance, but I hope that there will be a bit more going on in church than just singing badly on a Sunday.
I know what you mean, but we are told that he'd only been there a month, after the previous vicar poped. It's not surprising it wouldn't look too lively, and from a story-line point of view, it gives us somewhere to go. Hopefully (this being the first episode) we get to see the fruits of his labours!
I loved his wife's line: 'Everyone was very impressed you can still do the splits' - and her delivery was brilliant.
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I was pleasantly intrigued, and there were a good few laugh-out-loud moments- although I did wonder how many people not in the Club would get jokes about not mentioning Mary and incense.
One thing that I rather liked was the matter-of-fact way the eponymous Rev said "Let's say Morning Prayer"- I never got the sense of day-to-day prayer life in the Vicar of Dibley. Day-to-day chocolate life, perhaps... ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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That’s an encouraging thought Panda…
Perhaps that’s like a church I visited recently, the new Rev had only been in place for three months and the subject of his sermon was largely about coping with change. Chatting to people at tea/coffee (as y’ do), I asked whether his predecessor was a hard act to follow – I just got a v brief “no” and a little tight-lipped look – so didn’t push further. So – yes – I can see how a dull as dish-water beginning could at least give them somewhere to go. It could be more to do with my own hang-ups that the idea of subsequent ill judged attempts to liven up the place (with, perhaps the odd little success here and there) fills me with dread.
Do we know anything about the writers? Do they have any church *insider* experience? Or any known religious beliefs?
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I found a lot more resonance with my experience as an Anglican than I ever did with the Vicar of Dibley, I certainly got got more of a feeling that the central character had both a vocation and prayer life. I had quite a few smiles of recognition and I'm sure I'm not the only one convinced that they know the Archdeacon who that character was based on ...
I am hopeful that it develops from where it started.
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Ten times better than Dibley in all sorts of ways, and at least twice as funny, even though it might be seen as a bit of a slow starter. Pity that the line about doing the splits had been broadcast about 23 time already in the trailer - why does the BBC do that?
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It's very hard to find a place for readers in the catholic tradition of the church, as preaching and teaching tend to be seen as central "priest's work". That was our experience anyway, and there is still blood in certain corners of the church to prove it.
There is very little feeling of a post-poping church to me, at least. Far too MOR.
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It's very hard to find a place for readers in the catholic tradition of the church, as preaching and teaching tend to be seen as central "priest's work".
Don't you believe it!
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It's very hard to find a place for readers in the catholic tradition of the church, as preaching and teaching tend to be seen as central "priest's work".
Don't you believe it!
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it was apparently researched in quite a lot of depth with the writers spending time following a couple of London priests around over a fairly long period.
I liked it, gentle and well observed, with promising signs of room to develop.
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I’m obviously missing something……. I found it depressing and at times rather cringe worthy. I would hate for people to think that church is such a dead enervating place. I suppose I shall have to give it a chance, but I hope that there will be a bit more going on in church than just singing badly on a Sunday.
I thought maybe that was because we saw very little of the day-to-day congregation - apart from the "cassock-chasing" lady. Hopefully they will address that in future episodes.
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I think I must have been watching a different programme from practically everyone else! I caught up with episode 1 on i-Player, but never got to the end because I was just so bored.
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I'm trying to figure out why the Archdeacon seems to spend his time riding around in a black cab.
Church Commissioners Expense Account!
The Archdeacon is magnificent. I can certainly think of one he reminds me of. I loved the purple scarf.
The "school whores" rang a few bells.
I have great sympathy with Colin's solution to the Dawkins delusion - "I'd kick him in the bollox".
And Adam's answer to the builders
But the Vicarage. Oh, the Vicarage. There must be hundreds like that up and down the country.
What a good programme.
I do hope we're going to see a Bishop at some point. Spotting the likeness there could be very interesting.
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I've just watched the first episode on iplayer and I did enjoy though think it probably needs to go up a notch if it's to remain amusing. I did like him pulling out his dog collar to rebuke the builders and I loved "Let's say morning prayer, but very quietly in case someone has a hangover". As +Chad says, the purple scarf on the Archdeacon is rather good. I'll be looking forward to the next episode.
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I was disappointed. I loved Tom Hollander in 'In the Loop' and expected more from him. Perghaps it's all just too close to home (I'm a vicar) but for me it was almost like a drama with a few vaguely comic moments rather than an actual comedy (a bit like Chris Morris's recent film about islamist terrorists, Four Lions). Maybe it will get better...
Best bit in this for me was interplay between him and the wife (and the builders!) both of which I could identify with!!!
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Best bit in this for me was interplay between him and the wife (and the builders!) both of which I could identify with!!!
Most clergy I know have found something to identify with in the programme, so they must have got something right.
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The Methodist Recorder's review today complains about the "sexually explicit and vulgar language" which I think is rather to miss the point.
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The scene with the builders certainly gave me a chuckle as our vicar always looks around to check no-one else is watching and then takes his dog collar off if he is going to swear. Whether he thinks God can't hear him if he isn't collared-up I'm not sure
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The Methodist Recorder's review today complains about the "sexually explicit and vulgar language" which I think is rather to miss the point.
Well, you didn't get that (much) in Dibley, you see, and it seems to have become something of a benchmark in clerical comedies, for good or ill.
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It was a good(ish) beginning. Whether it will develop into something long lasting is another matter.
I really REALLY liked the archdeacon - (previously seen as the nerdy choirmaster at Dibley! Insider joke, perhaps?). I loved the fact that he drives around in black cabs and clearly hasn't got time for losers like the Rev Smallbone.
The bit with the builders was spot on and I cheered him on as he took off his dog collar and let rip. VERY true to life.
I think that there is more to come from his wife, but I'm a little worried about the weird guy and the orgasmic woman in the congregation. They seem a little too obvious at the moment. Alexander Armstrong is good but can play smarmy MPs in his sleep.
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I thought it was absolutely fantastic. It reflected some of the real problems of run-down urban ministry. And seeing the funny side of it. The response to the builders was priceless, and I have known clergy who might have said the same.
The window thing I liked. The various responses reflected the range of responses that you get - from the concern about the destruction of a priceless work of art, to the problems of how pay for the repairs, to an desire to find the people responsible and bring them to book. Not to mention the revelation as to what had actually happened at the end.
The discussion with the Archdeacon on attendance numbers was priceless. And I think the sense of calling/mission was there - the search through the episode for purpose and direction, and the final decision he made to not sell his morals just to get the money for the window. I thought that was awesome.
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Well he certainly was an Arch Demon.
I'll be interested to see how the series develops - it could either become terribly hackneyed or else get rather interesting. If it could be set slightly into the future, so that when the bishop turns up she is a woman, that would be rather fun. And of course the gay issue will have to be in there somewhere.
And call me naive, but I wasn't expecting the ending with the bottle!
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It was interesting, not laugh out loud funny though and afew too many annoying characters. I hope Nigel gets more air time, enjoyed the swearing at builers and the comment about the shag.
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