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Hedgehog
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Personally, I do have a bit of a problem with Capaldi's accent at times. I can understand a good 90% of what he says, but occasional words get missed. I am expecting this to improve as I get more used to his accent. I figure the fault is more with me than him.
And, to be fair, I often missed chunks of what Matt Smith said as well...not because of accent but because he spoke so quickly!
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
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From Tom Baker's first three seasons, Ark in Space, Genesis of the Daleks, Terror of the Zygons, Brain of Morbius, The Deadly Assassin, and Robots of Death, are nearly universally admired. (Pyramids of Mars, Seeds of Doom, and Talons of Weng-Chiang are widely admired as well. Talons of Weng-Chiang is one of the classics of Doctor Who; unfortunately, it is exactly as racist as the title makes it sound.)
Horror of Fang Rock completes the run.
Sun Makers is rather good. So is The Ribos Operation. (The Ribos Operation, The Pirate Planet (Douglas Adams), The Stones of Blood, The Androids of Tara, The Power of Kroll, and The Armageddon Factor form a sequence called the Key to Time. The first four is possibly the most consistently good run of four stories in Doctor Who. The last two... have some good bits somewhere.)
City of Death is what Douglas Adams did just after he did the first radio series of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
Warriors Gate is one of my top ten Doctor Who stories ever.
The fourth Doctor's reign, like Gaul, can be divided into three parts.
The first part, produced by Philip Hinchcliffe was magnificent with three dud stories (Robot, Revenge of the Cybermen and Android Invasion) and a couple of patchy ones (Weng-Chiang for the reasons stated and Brain of Morbius). After which Hinchcliffe left and he was replaced by Graham Williams who faced two adversaries more formidable than the Master and the Black Guardian of Time, to whit Mrs Mary Whitehouse and Tom Baker's ego. Consequently there are more duds.
Horror of Fang Rock and Image of the Fendahl are hangovers from the Hinchcliffe era, Sun Makers is, as stated, excellent. Ribos Operation, Stones of Blood and Androids of Tara are all pretty good, as is City of Death. It's probably a minority view but I like Destiny of the Daleks and Horns of Nimon. On the other hand you have the Prawn of Peril, Land of the Dodgy CSO, Attack of the Unimpressive Aliens (oh, and the Sontarans) knocked up by Williams in a hurry when the script arrived with a production requirement for Wembley Stadium filled with actors in Cat Prosthetics, Attack of the Giant Squid, The Trivial Nuclear War (with William Squire, the greatest of all the Hunters as a panto villain), Catweazle and the Balloon from Space and A Very Special Drugs Episode. Oh, and Shada which was nixed by the unions. There's also Pirate Planet, which is basically all right but benefits from the undoubted affection in which the late Mr Douglas Adams is held and from the absence of a Target novelisation. (An awful lot of Doctor Who stories suffer on repeat viewing from not being as good as the version in one's head from childhood provided by Mr Terence Dicks.)
Finally, John Nathan-Turner took over and produced Leisure Hive, State of Decay (the final leftover from the Hinchcliffe era), Warriors Gate, Keeper of Traken and Logopolis all of which are excellent; Full Circle, which is basically all right and Meglos which is bloody awful even if it does have Jacqueline Hill in it. (You wouldn't guess from that little lot that the same bloke would go on to produce The Twin Dilemma, Timelash, Time and the Rani and Delta and the Bannermen.)
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Trudy Scrumptious
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This family of Canadian viewers always watches Doctor Who (and most other BBC shows) with the subtitles on when possible, just so we don't miss a good line because we were struggling to catch the accent. So it's not just Capaldi.
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I live in Australia, and have a satellite TV package. I can understand Who fine. But what I have noticed is that when USA-based channels show programs from other countries, they often put their own sub- titles in. Not just really foreign ones either, but UK and Oz.
I have always figured it just says something not very complimentary about Americans' ability to hear other accents at all.
But then last night, as I flicked through, it was being done on some American show about families in lived in swamp areas of tne USA.
So, who knows!
But oh, I am loving Who!
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Lamb Chopped
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We do have trouble with a lot of them, hearing-wise, I mean. I think that they go in auditory directions we're not used to. For example, I do just fine with Mexican, Southern US, Asian, and Australian accents, but I have a darned hard time with UK accents (most of them). I can only describe it by saying that the pitch sounds more vertical to me, where the first few I listed (bar the Asians) sound horizontal. Which is probably as clear as mud.
Don't mind me, I have synesthesia and I use the visuals to classify sounds. But I haven't worked out what degree of verticality means in actual sound terms. ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif) Proper technical terms, I mean.
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Long ago I knew someone in Boston who had a job creating subtitles for the British drama and mystery shows that Public Broadcasting was showing. It was funded specifically so deaf viewers could watch the show. This was sufficiently long ago that they may have had special decoder boxes to put the subtitles on the TV rather than the feature that is now built in on most televisions.
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RuthW
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I have no problem understanding Capaldi. (I did, however, turn on the subtitles for the first few episodes of "The Wire," till I got used to the accent.)
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We watched the latest episode last night, as my husband was away at the weekend and we like to watch it as a family. I enjoyed it, it was thoughtful. I especially found the obsession with Clara's timeline interesting, not just that they could visit within it but that the Doctor almost said her life expectancy; Strax did the same a few weeks ago and I wonder if there is any relevance in this? It struck me immediately the similarity.
The toy soldier also puzzled me. Am I right that she also gave one to the young Doctor? Or am I misinterpreting what happened? Yet, unlike Dan, the Doctor professes not to like soldiers. It seems to have had the opposite effect on him.
My boys went to bed afterwards, the 10 year old, who sleeps below his older brother, said on the way up 'I'm the monster under your bed' ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Jane R
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Wood: quote:
Re. Talons of Weng-Chiang. I remember Stephen Moffat talking about it on the BBC website last year and saying, "everyone always points out the rubbish giant rat..." and thinking, no, mate. Anyone with a brain points out the yellowface makeup.
By an odd coincidence, we were watching this the other night and when the Doctor asked Li H'sen Chang if he was Chinese, we started giggling...
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...the bit at the start with Sally's mate being stalked into marriage by that guy on the hill.
I think 'stalked into marriage' is a bit OTT. First of all, she was shunted back to the 1930s. Things were different then; what we would now consider sexism was the way most people behaved back then. Are you suggesting 1930s Man should have behaved like 21st Century Man in fancy dress to avoid offending us? All historical drama does this to a certain extent, but you can only go so far with it before destroying the illusion that you are recreating the past.
Secondly, you're assuming she had no choice in whether or not to marry the guy. This was 1930s Britain, not the Dark Ages (and even in the Dark Ages she wouldn't have been forced to marry him). Lazy scriptwriting, perhaps, to have her sending Sally a letter to say that she married the first guy she met and lived Happily Ever After. But I don't see any suggestion that she was coerced into marriage.
I agree with you about the ending, though. The ending is weak. Sally ends up running the DVD shop with her brother's best friend? Really? That's the summit of her ambitions? She could have done so much better... and I'm not talking about the boyfriend's looks here.
That's why I liked Martha (even though she couldn't act); medical student with some gumption. Leaving school with a handful of GCSEs and hanging about practising gymnastics until the Doctor turns up to whisk you away on an adventure is not a good life plan (can you tell I didn't like Rose?)
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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This talk of Capaldi's accent is interesting to me as a Brit; it's not just that I have no difficulty understanding him, but I hardly notice he's got one; it's a very mild Scots; almost RP compared to what you'd hear on the streets of Glasgow.
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It's what I'd call (probably wrongly) 'Edinburgh' or 'elite Scots'.
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Originally posted by Jane R:
That's the summit of her ambitions?
I am mystified by the general assumption that, because Sally Sparrow is depicted at a DVD shop at the end of the story, she continued to run it until the age of 65.
Or more broadly, the general assumption that the end of a character's story as depicted as the end of the character. If you're going to treat characters as "real people" in this way and draw all sorts of real world implications about them, that necessarily involves accepting that these characters continue to have a life beyond the end of when you were watching them. Treating the end of their story as the end of change in their entire lives is just wrong. You can only treat a character's own narrative timeline as having ended if you know they've died.
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
This talk of Capaldi's accent is interesting to me as a Brit; it's not just that I have no difficulty understanding him, but I hardly notice he's got one; it's a very mild Scots; almost RP compared to what you'd hear on the streets of Glasgow.
Likewise. Capaldi's other roles show that he can do the full range from really quite effete Englishman to full-on see-you-Jimmah Scot. He tends to gravitate towards this particular accent, though, so I suspect it's his natural one.
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In fact, if you're going to treat Sally Sparrow in this way, it's fundamentally wrong to say "she ended up with the nerd". No, she was with the nerd the last time you saw her. For all you know, 6 months later she finally got sick and tired of him, knuckled down at university and married a surgeon.
That's what happens if you treat characters in this fashion, as having a life beyond the realms of the story you see them in.
Asking writers to provide you with the final life story of every significant character is asking them the impossible. To do so would require an ever-growing list of spin-off shows or for every show to be an ensemble piece. Doctor Who is clearly not an ensemble piece. It has a lead. It has some ongoing secondary characters, most of whom eventually leave the narrative thread.
In fact, fan fiction thrives on the fact that there are all sorts of gaps available to fill in. There's Sally Sparrow fan fiction - I just checked. The reason it can exist is that Sally's future is not defined to the extent that some of you seem to be claiming.
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That's what happens if you treat characters in this fashion, as having a life beyond the realms of the story you see them in.
Wow.
OK. I said upthread I think I was going to have to agree to disagree with you and let you have the last words on the sexism thing, and on this point, I think that goes at least triple here.
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Rosa Winkel
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Elsewhere I've come across criticism of what was deemed to be stalking by Eleven of Clara.
Another issue is the way in which the Doctor is treated. Ten's arse was molested by a woman in "The end of time". One episode (can't remember which, in one of his first episodes) saw Amy forcing herself upon Eleven. Didn't Eleven get unwanted attentions in "The day of the Doctor"? This series has seen Clara give a right clout to (for want of a better word) Twelve.
While mistreatment happens to male and female sexes in the show's history, the mistreatment of the Doctor in the version doesn't appear to find attention in the show itself, even the Doctor hasn't spoke out against it.
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Heavenly Anarchist
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I agree with you about the ending, though. The ending is weak. Sally ends up running the DVD shop with her brother's best friend? Really? That's the summit of her ambitions? She could have done so much better... and I'm not talking about the boyfriend's looks here.
That's why I liked Martha (even though she couldn't act); medical student with some gumption. Leaving school with a handful of GCSEs and hanging about practising gymnastics until the Doctor turns up to whisk you away on an adventure is not a good life plan (can you tell I didn't like Rose?)
Whilst I agree with you about the sexism issue, as someone from a working class background who left school with a handful of o'levels I have to disagree with this. Having a good life plan does not have to mean leading an academic or professional life and society would be somewhat stuffed without the shop workers. I did become an academic despite my background but most of my family are quite happy and fulfilled having not written an essay since they left school.
And for all we know Sally might be studying part time whilst working, just as I did ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
Elsewhere I've come across criticism of what was deemed to be stalking by Eleven of Clara.
The first five minutes or so of Rings of Akhaten are creepy as hell. No lie.
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
This talk of Capaldi's accent is interesting to me as a Brit; it's not just that I have no difficulty understanding him, but I hardly notice he's got one; it's a very mild Scots; almost RP compared to what you'd hear on the streets of Glasgow.
He's certainly no Rab C Nesbitt, a series which might as well be in a foreign language for all I understood. I wouldn't call it mild Scots, though - that would be the sort of "regional accent" you find in BBC newsreaders/presenters, where it's mostly been trained out of them, leaving just enough of an accent to count towards the quota. Mild Scots would be nearer to his very English civil servant in Torchwood:CoE. But yes, any problem understanding him is more likely to be down to gabbling or intrusive music.
I'm sure the possible significance of colours has been commented on - people named after colours is fairly odd, whether or not you count Will Scarlet, and patterns like that are rarely coincidence. Leaving aside the possibility that this is leading up to a game of intergalactic snooker (as the Daleks already tried something similar previously, so it would be another stolen/adapted story), I'm idly musing whether the significance of soldiers called Blue and Pink is the fact that Blue is the woman and Pink the man. An inversion of the norm/custom/stereotype? Probably nothing in it, but I'll mention it just in case.
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Jane R
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Whilst I agree with you about the sexism issue, as someone from a working class background who left school with a handful of o'levels I have to disagree with this. Having a good life plan does not have to mean leading an academic or professional life and society would be somewhat stuffed without the shop workers. I did become an academic despite my background but most of my family are quite happy and fulfilled having not written an essay since they left school.
And for all we know Sally might be studying part time whilst working, just as I did.
And me (two professional qualifications acquired whilst studying part-time). And come to think of it, my sister left school with four 'O' levels (showing our age here) and is now more highly qualified than I am (BSc, MBA).
Orfeo's right too. I suppose what got up my nose was the fact that *I* would hate to work in a DVD shop (and she doesn't just work there, she is joint owner, suggesting a more long-term commitment than some people are implying). But I am describing my own emotional reaction to 'Blink' here - it doesn't have to be logical ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
And I REALLY don't like Rose. Although perhaps if I met her in real life and wasn't forced to sit through all the sickly sentimental claptrap about her relationship with the Doctor, I might find her quite entertaining.
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And I REALLY don't like Rose. Although perhaps if I met her in real life and wasn't forced to sit through all the sickly sentimental claptrap about her relationship with the Doctor, I might find her quite entertaining.
![[Smile]](smile.gif) what about Donna? A similar background and as common as muck but her moral compass was usually spot on and she showed great strength of character. Of course, her advantage was that there was never anything romantic between her and the Doctor; she was quite a relief as a companion.
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Jane R
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Yes, I liked Donna! She reminded me of one of my operatic friends (who says opera isn't for the working classes?)
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Donna was the best new series companion hands down. Which meant it was all the more awful what they did to her.
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I think I'd rate Amy and Rory above Donna, but Donna is certainly still my second choice; shame she is in such an overall weak season. (Although Clara after making a poor initial showing is steadily climbing the ranks.)
Martha starts out well, but her character arc never really lets her develop beyond 'nobody can ever measure up to Rose'. And then what dignity her character arc gives her is blown when she gets summarily paired up with Mickey off screen.
Rose depends upon whether she's on screen or off screen. On screen she's likeable enough. Off screen she's a pain.
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The character of Martha was a waste of a terrific actor.
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Originally posted by Jane R:
I think 'stalked into marriage' is a bit OTT. First of all, she was shunted back to the 1930s. Things were different then; what we would now consider sexism was the way most people behaved back then. Are you suggesting 1930s Man should have behaved like 21st Century Man in fancy dress to avoid offending us? All historical drama does this to a certain extent, but you can only go so far with it before destroying the illusion that you are recreating the past.
Secondly, you're assuming she had no choice in whether or not to marry the guy. This was 1930s Britain, not the Dark Ages (and even in the Dark Ages she wouldn't have been forced to marry him). Lazy scriptwriting, perhaps, to have her sending Sally a letter to say that she married the first guy she met and lived Happily Ever After. But I don't see any suggestion that she was coerced into marriage.
Nor me. And there's a definite line in there to indicate that she wasn't - Sally notices that her friend lied about her age, claiming to be a couple of years older than she was. Which indicates she was chasing him as much as he was her - or certainly Sally read it that way. With the minimal evidence we have, assuming stalking is ... uncharitable.
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I agree with you about the ending, though. The ending is weak. Sally ends up running the DVD shop with her brother's best friend? Really? That's the summit of her ambitions? She could have done so much better... and I'm not talking about the boyfriend's looks here.
This. Very much this. The exception I see is if it gives Sally a decent income so she can go and do things like exploring abandoned buildings while doing something she basically enjoys to keep food on the table.
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That's why I liked Martha (even though she couldn't act); medical student with some gumption. Leaving school with a handful of GCSEs and hanging about practising gymnastics until the Doctor turns up to whisk you away on an adventure is not a good life plan (can you tell I didn't like Rose?)
It's also something I have against Amy although she has more of an excuse.
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Ladies and Gentleman, once again I find myself called upon to defend the under-appreciated Martha. She remains the only nu-Who companion to have saved the world the old fashioned way, through grit and elbow grease. She didn't merge with the TARDIS, look into the Eye of Harmony, or split into thousands of Impossible fragments. No, she walked the world - the whole world - spreading the word that saved the world. She showed tenacity and moral fibre even when relegated to servant status and patronised. I am forced to agree that setting her up with other-Micky was a mistake, an over hasty tidying up of two interesting characters, but overall she was magnificent!
I may have to set up a new MMMS - Make Mine Martha Society.
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
I think I'd rate Amy and Rory above Donna, but Donna is certainly still my second choice; shame she is in such an overall weak season.
I'd rate Amy and Rory as a group over Donna but Donna ahead of Amy. Despite the Amy on her own episodes being generally strong due to the writing, and Donna having to contend with The Wasp.
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(Although Clara after making a poor initial showing is steadily climbing the ranks.)
Are you kidding? Her first showing, in the Snowmen, was amazing. Her first half season on the other hand? Not so much.
And nthd on Martha being the worst waste of a good actor I'm aware of on Dr. Who since Bonnie Langford. Also on Rings of Akhenaten being very creepy. (I really liked Rose with Nine - and wasn't impressed by Rose with Ten).
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Originally posted by Robert Armin:
Ladies and Gentleman, once again I find myself called upon to defend the under-appreciated Martha. She remains the only nu-Who companion to have saved the world the old fashioned way, through grit and elbow grease. She didn't merge with the TARDIS, look into the Eye of Harmony, or split into thousands of Impossible fragments. No, she walked the world - the whole world - spreading the word that saved the world. She showed tenacity and moral fibre even when relegated to servant status and patronised. I am forced to agree that setting her up with other-Micky was a mistake, an over hasty tidying up of two interesting characters, but overall she was magnificent!
I'll grant you that the one thing about Martha that made her more heroic than any of the other new series companions: she didn't get superpowers or a Massive Cosmic Significance attached to her. And she left because it was time for her to go, not because of some weird arc.
I wish there were more companions like that.
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(Although Clara after making a poor initial showing is steadily climbing the ranks.)
Are you kidding? Her first showing, in the Snowmen, was amazing. Her first half season on the other hand? Not so much.
Seconded. Although she's been given more identity in the current series.
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Apropos of nothing that's currently being discussed, and I'm only three years late, but why have I only just discovered this ?
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Apropos of nothing that's currently being discussed, and I'm only three years late, but why have I only just discovered this ?
That was new to me too. Loved that.
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Apropos of nothing that's currently being discussed, and I'm only three years late, but why have I only just discovered this ?
Love that - thanks for the link.
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Dafyd
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(Although Clara after making a poor initial showing is steadily climbing the ranks.)
Are you kidding? Her first showing, in the Snowmen, was amazing. Her first half season on the other hand? Not so much.
I'm ignoring Asylum and Snowmen. The poor initial showing I'm talking about runs from Bells of St John to Time of the Doctor. She's been climbing the ranks since Deep Breath. (I think the potential was always there, but it wasn't being used.) Capaldi's Doctor makes a space she can fit into that Smith's Doctor didn't.
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Gill H
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I hadn't seen that video either - that was fab.
Little ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif) at seeing Lis Sladen in there too. Much missed.
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Robert Armin
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Ladies and Gentleman, once again I find myself called upon to defend the under-appreciated Martha. She remains the only nu-Who companion to have saved the world the old fashioned way, through grit and elbow grease. She didn't merge with the TARDIS, look into the Eye of Harmony, or split into thousands of Impossible fragments. No, she walked the world - the whole world - spreading the word that saved the world. She showed tenacity and moral fibre even when relegated to servant status and patronised. I am forced to agree that setting her up with other-Micky was a mistake, an over hasty tidying up of two interesting characters, but overall she was magnificent!
I'll grant you that the one thing about Martha that made her more heroic than any of the other new series companions: she didn't get superpowers or a Massive Cosmic Significance attached to her. And she left because it was time for her to go, not because of some weird arc.
I wish there were more companions like that.
I thank you M'Lud. The Defence rests.
And another vote of thanks to Stumbling Pilgrim for that wonderful clip!
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Penny S
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Another thanks for the link -though the Scots is a wee bit inpenetrable......
LC, would your vertical and horizontal accents be in any way connected with the mouth shape necessary to produce them? Only when I hear accents I can feel the shapes in my mouth.
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Might be. I wish I had a couple of representative people round to test out my theory with! (plane tickets, anyone? ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif) )
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Paul.
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Someone in my Google+ circles posted this re: accents and I'd go along with it not being the accent per se. I'd go further and say it's not necessarily even Capaldi - though perhaps his particular diction style makes it worse.
No, I've been watching Doctor Who with the subtitles on at least since Ten. And whilst this is no doubt in part an age-related hearing drop-off, ![[Frown]](frown.gif) , I do find there's something about the sound mix on Who in particular that means I was constantly rewinding to catch dialogue. In fact I think I was swearing at the TV through most of that speech.
Re companions - I'm another Donna fan. I don't mind the idea of an underlying sexual tension with the companions but it was nice to see a relationship not based on that. It was also nice to see someone who was her own person without having to become either a Strong Female Character or Great Mystery. I'm not counting Doctor-Donna as that was just the beginning of the end, the way they wrote her out - which I agree was a shame.
Listen - for me it's another Blink - i.e. an episode with a strong central idea, an OK execution and which for some reason almost everyone but me raves about. And another similarity I think the thing under the bed will be the Weeping Angels of Twelve - i.e. it'll return and be progressively less effective. I dunno I'm aware I have some personal reactions mixed up in this. I struggle with anxiety issues and being told Fear is a Superpower doesn't really resonate with me. In fact I think I was swearing at the TV through most of that speech.
Looking forward to next week's. I tend to like heist stories. I'm one of the few fans I know that liked Angel's "Shroud of Rahmon".
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Pine Marten
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Well, here's another fan of 'The Shroud of Rahmon', an excellent episode .
As for accents, I'm usually lost with broad Scottish accents but find I can understand Capaldi pretty well. And although a fan of Matt Smith's, I got increasingly irritated at his gabbling (and Tennant's, too). So maybe it's speed more than anything.
Donna was my favourite companion - I liked her bolshiness, her strength and the way she talked back to 'space boy', and...praise the Lord, no hint of any romance, which was a blessed relief.
Clara is growing on me .
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Robert Armin
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When there was a romance between Rose and the Doctor, that was interesting because it had never been done before. Martha's quiet hero worship was also touching but, by now, the whole romance thing is very dull indeed. The rock bottom point was Amy trying to drag the Doctor into bed on her wedding night (had it been the other way round everyone would have been screaming rape).
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Wood
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Nervous about next week's story, because it has "Time" in the title, and stories with "Time" in the title tend to be terrible.
Time and the Rani.
Last of the Time Lords.
Time Flight.
Time Lash.
Closing Time.
The Time Monster.
The End of Time.
It ain't looking good.
(On the other hand, there's the Time Warrior and Time Meddler... but...)
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doubtingthomas
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Originally posted by Pine Marten:
As for accents, I'm usually lost with broad Scottish accents but find I can understand Capaldi pretty well. And although a fan of Matt Smith's, I got increasingly irritated at his gabbling (and Tennant's, too). So maybe it's speed more than anything.
Similar feelings here - although I barely notice Capaldi's accent at all. I used to live in Scotland, so for a long time, Scottish accents were just what English sounded like.
I went to see Deep Breath in the cinema and thus got to see the 10-minute "Extra", which had clips from the read-through, with Capaldi doing lines we had just heard with something much more like his real accent
(BTW, I can also understand Tennant better if he speaks with *his* real accent,and at half the speed.)
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Donna was my favourite companion - I liked her bolshiness, her strength and the way she talked back to 'space boy', and...praise the Lord, no hint of any romance, which was a blessed relief.
Clara is growing on me .
I definitely second Donna for the modern era, and also now have hopes for Clara.
I also liked Rose with Eccleston - to is easy to forget that there was a time before Tennant, but it I that pre-prettyboy pairing worked quite well..
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Pyx_e
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Just caught up on I Player.
Very very Good, Very funny, very clever, very well acted throughout. So good to see some real venom, wit and thought.
Going to watch it again tomorrow.
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The Rogue
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When it comes to accents it seems that Clara's is wandering around the country at the moment. She used to be pretty south but is definitely (to my ear) travelling north. Will she stop when she meets the Doctor or will she continue on to Iceland and then turn into a polar bear in her last episode?
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I wish they would let her use her real accent. I think it's adorable.
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Heavenly Anarchist
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Crap spouted by The Rogue:
When it comes to accents it seems that Clara's is wandering around the country at the moment. She used to be pretty south but is definitely (to my ear) travelling north. Will she stop when she meets the Doctor or will she continue on to Iceland and then turn into a polar bear in her last episode?
* keep picking up on her wandering into Lancashire, it reminds me of elderly relatives from my childhood
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Ariel
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Too much television gives people square eyes.
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jedijudy
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Crap spouted by Ariel:
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Tubbs
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Opened just so * can say that * thought last Saturday's episode was really good. Hopefully this will continue!
And closed again. Because * can
Tubbs
Last Saturday? That was days ago.
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