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Scot

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quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
Note to self:
Find some way to get even with Scot for starting this thread.

Be nice, or the next one will be poetry again.

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Scot

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quote:
Originally posted by fatprophet:
these are persons of profound genius. (takes one to know one)

That would explain your confusion.

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JimT

Ship'th Mythtic
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quote:
Originally posted by fatprophet elsewhere:

So beware foolish christians. For I am Legion and we are Many (i.e. really have gone bonkers)

<snip>

P.S [Fuckety Fuck] if you have a problem with that.

I seem to have suffered from the same problem you have, and have the same reaction to your problem with me.
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Chorister

Completely Frocked
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quote:
Originally posted by Moo:
Apparently Joann posted huge amounts of stuff in a very short space of time by copying and pasting.

Suse spent one night deleting Joann's posts. There were more than two hundred in eight hours.

I think this happened in January, 1999.

Moo

Wow, an even higher posting-per-minute rate than Smudgie! [Wink] [Not worthy!] I am impressed....... [Big Grin]

(but Smudgie's posts are much nicer, of course. [Cool] )

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ChrisT

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I think I missed Joanne as well (I've not been here quite as long as the Milkman). But she sounds wonderful. Maybe we ought to pcopy up some of her posts here, in the hopes that some of the current very mediocre-quality trolls will learn how to do things properly.

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Ley Druid

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quote:
Originally posted by Scot:
FWIW, I think LD might actually believe some of the stuff he posts.

Dear Scot,
Have I posted anything on this thread that you don't believe? What is to be done with people, trolls or otherwise, to disabuse them of their unbelieveable posts?

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Kelly Alves

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Which makes me ask once again, where, oh, where is our Book of Fools? (lament, lament) The tale of Joanne needs to be revealed to the world. I"d buy it.

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Moo

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I first heard the story of Joann from Suse.

Last year there was a thread in the Styx on the history of the ship. Simon and Erin told some more about Joann's huge number of posts, which Erin, Simon, or Suse promptly deleted.

I don't know what happened to that Styx thread. It may have been deleted.

Moo

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Why am I here?
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To Err is Human, to Delete is Divine.
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Paul W.

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quote:
Originally posted by Moo:
I first heard the story of Joann from Suse.

Last year there was a thread in the Styx on the history of the ship. Simon and Erin told some more about Joann's huge number of posts, which Erin, Simon, or Suse promptly deleted.

I don't know what happened to that Styx thread. It may have been deleted.

Moo

No, it's just right down the bottom.

History of the Ship

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Scot

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quote:
Originally posted by Ley Druid:
Have I posted anything on this thread that you don't believe? What is to be done with people, trolls or otherwise, to disabuse them of their unbelieveable posts?

LD, the mark of trollery is not in whether the reader believes, but whether the writer believes. I'm afraid trolls cannot be cured, only pilloried.

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You know what I find funny about the history of the ship thread? The way it begins with Erin acting like the story teller and everyone else wanting her to tell us all more.

She's like old bear.

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Merseymike
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hehe...now that is amusing. I can't see why anyone should be eulogised simply because of past or present involvement,personally.

Feeding egos, I think.

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Wood
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quote:
Originally posted by Merseymike:
Feeding egos, I think.

And you'd know.

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ChrisT

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quote:
Originally posted by Merseymike:
I can't see why anyone should be eulogised simply because of past or present involvement, personally.

I can't see why anyone would want to ask about the memories of one of the longest-standing members of this website on a thread called "History of the Ship". Seems ludicrous to me.

We should all be grilling the newbies about the history of Ship guidelines, and what happened 4 years ago, rather than one of the people who have made this place what it is.

Far be it from me to hold in esteem someone who has devoted more time and energy to making sure that we can all have this resource to use. I don't want to be caught praising the people responsible for creating one of my favourite places - be it virtual or real. That would be silly, wouldn't it?

Pull the other one, Merseymike.

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duchess

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it is called "BITING THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU" Merseymike, something you seem to enjoy doing.

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Chorister

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It's just a sign of how long the Ship has been around now (and all credit to its creators and maintainers) that we have got to the stage where we all feel nostalgic for the 'past'. If it wasn't for the dedication of many - and the extreme dedication, nay vocation, of a few, then there would be no past, or present either. So there! [Razz]

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Kelly Alves

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You've got shit timing, MM.

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KenWritez
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quote:
Originally posted by Merseymike:
hehe...now that is amusing. I can't see why anyone should be eulogised simply because of past or present involvement,personally.

Well, then please peruse the Miss Molly eulogies and afterward, return here and let us know if you still hold to this.

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Kelly Alves

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Amen, kenwritez. [Not worthy!]

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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
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Erin
Meaner than Godzilla
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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
You've got shit timing, MM.

You think it's a coincidence, Kelly? I'm quite convinced that Mike is the kind of person who gleefully kicks people when they're down, and I'm sure my post in AS gave him the gentle nudge he needed.

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Ley Druid

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quote:
Originally posted by Scot:
I'm afraid trolls cannot be cured, only pilloried.

I like it. You make me see Foucault in a whole new light.
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Merseymike
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What post in AS ?

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Alan Cresswell

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Erin, did you seriously think that someone who has said on numerous occasions that the Ship is "just a website" and doesn't have any desire to be part of the community here would even be aware of the amount of prayer support that is expressed in All Saints, let alone care enough to read the relevant threads?

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Merseymike
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Generally I look at Purgatory, Hell and , sometimes, the MW. Visits to other boards are rare.

Is a further expectation that we look at all boards ? Must say, I find the level of expected conformity towards one's attitude towards this site and its participants and ethos a classic example of the dark side of 'community'. You can't enforce your vision upon all who choose to visit. Unless you only want those who 'fit in' according to your invented criteria. Which is fair enough, but if there are expectations of how we should approach this site, then it is reasonable to inform applicants.

The Mid and IbP made some valid and worthwhile points.

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Merseymike
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...on the other thread, that is ( this is getting confusing...)

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Erin
Meaner than Godzilla
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Erin, did you seriously think that someone who has said on numerous occasions that the Ship is "just a website" and doesn't have any desire to be part of the community here would even be aware of the amount of prayer support that is expressed in All Saints, let alone care enough to read the relevant threads?

Well, I know he goes into AS and knows what it's for, evidently he tried to organize a meet with people who don't matter because it's "just a website".

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Chorister

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MM, I think it is vital that you do read AS, because it gives you information about certain shipmates which have a bearing on what you do or do not say to them when you post. eg. would you want to make a derogatory post about mothers to someone whose mother has just died? So it always pays to be aware of how others in the community are faring.
A little smidgen of human empathy wouldn't do any harm, hey? [Roll Eyes]

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Erin
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But Chorister, it's "just a website". No one here matters. Haven't you been taking notes?

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Merseymike
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I think I've only been in to All Saints two or three times. Yes, I know what its about, but I don't read the threads there. I'm sure not everyone reads all the sections....

Having thought about all this, there seems to be clear expectations as to how we should approach this site - as a community, to which we should be prepared to invest emotional as well as intellectual energy - and both acknowledgment and agreement with the hierarchical way in which it is organised and those in the positions which afford them 'superiority'.

I recognise I'm not on that wavelength and that most people like the ethos of whats being done here.
I like the discussions, but I don't think I feel the same way about this place that many others appear to.

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Erin
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No, Mike, no one is expected to read everything or even every board. However, the fact that you turned on me like a junkyard dog a day after I posted that I was being tested for leukemia and lymphoma and various other diseases seems a little too convenient.

Bottom line: I don't really care how you view Ship of Fools. What I care about, and what others seem to care about, too, is how you behave. For a majority of people here, it is a community of sorts. You are free to not view it that way. However, you are NOT free to treat other people on here like they are unimportant, irrelevant, and meaningless based on the fact that "it's just a website". If you walk into a community or club or whatever, you either (a) respect the ethos and the intent of the place or (b) find another place to belong.

You can choose (c) to be a complete git about the whole thing, of course, but really, the only person you're damaging is yourself.

[ 21. May 2003, 10:41: Message edited by: Erin ]

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Merseymike
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I had no idea about your illness. You can choose to believe that or not, but its the truth.

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Eutychus
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quote:
Originally posted by Merseymike:
I think I've only been in to All Saints two or three times. Yes, I know what its about, but I don't read the threads there. I'm sure not everyone reads all the sections....

Having thought about all this, there seems to be clear expectations as to how we should approach this site - as a community, to which we should be prepared to invest emotional as well as intellectual energy - and both acknowledgment and agreement with the hierarchical way in which it is organised and those in the positions which afford them 'superiority'.

I recognise I'm not on that wavelength and that most people like the ethos of whats being done here.
I like the discussions, but I don't think I feel the same way about this place that many others appear to.

MM no-one can dictacte your or anyone else's expectations as you log on to this site. But one criticism that has been levelled at you on the other thread is that you do not take an interest in other people here as people. Again, it's your prerogative not to, but you might find yourself attracting less flames if you took the time to do so.

There are two threads which I never used to read and which I now scan through occasionally, not because I normally take an active interest in the content or post myself, but because I have discovered they are good ways to find out what is going on in people's lives, and particularly if they are going through difficult times. They are "Monthly prayer requests" and "TICTH".

Again, no obligation, but taking a look there from time to time might improve your stock and who knows? give some more credibility to your causes. You might even discover what "community" means in the context of the Ship.

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Merseymike
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I think I am out of step with the dominant ethos here. I'm happy about that as I am not looking for virtual 'community' in the way it has been described.

I know I am not the only one who feels like this. Its clearly a minority view, though....

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Erin
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See, this is the thing, Mike. From the perspective of those of us who do see it that way, you appear to take great delight in coming in here and shitting all over that. I don't know if that's your intent or not, but that's how it looks from here.

No one's asking you to embrace the community aspect with open arms. The only thing we ask is that you recognize that others do and conduct yourself accordingly.

(And if you say you didn't read the AS post, then I believe you.)

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dyfrig
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Has anyone noticed the connection between the trotting out of the complaint "it's only a website, it doesn't matter" and a posting average of at least 1 post every single day since they registered?

Or in merseymike's case, a daily posting average of 6.

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Og: Thread Killer
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An observation:

You know when somebody makes a comment to a Canadian about their bad timing, it is customary for us to say a little more then "I wouldn't have known." Must be a cultural thing I guess to throw the word "sorry" in there some where. Yeah, we don't have to apologise, but we just culuturall feel the need to do that. I'm not expecting or asking MM to live up/down to that; but, it is one example of the subtle cultural differences found on a board.

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Matrix
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MM you seem to be saying that although you're aware that most of the users of these boards treat them as a community, you choose not to do so, and therefore feel free to shit all over it.

I just can't find a polite way of saying this, so i'll just say it - please fuck off.

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Laura
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There is a bit of an odd disconnect between the number of posts and the contention that "it's just a website". It is more than just a website, mostly because it's one of the more well-conceived bulletin boards, which are an extension of one of the most terrific web magazines (even if none of you look at it). I say that, even though I only look daily at Purgatory, Hell, the Styx and Kerygmania. And I also do not regard web community as a substitute for real life.

So, Matrix, I'd agree with most of your post, except for the part with the swearing, but I've heard rumors that you were dissing me in the cafe.

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Matrix
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Disagreeing, never dissing....far too polite don't ya know?

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Merseymike
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Why, Laura ? I like discussion, and the web is a good place to do it. I can't see why frequent posting and a view of SoF as 'community' need to go together.

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Laura
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MM,

I understand that you don't think of this as a community. You have made that clear. But you seem to behave as if it oughtn't to be a community, or that those who care about it as such are pathetic losers (even if they post far less often than you do), while you're above it all. If this be so, you ought not be surprised if people react badly to your patronizing attitude.

I'm not currently deeply pissed off at you as many here appear to be, but I do think that, if anything, you've been cut a lot of extra slack here because your intolerance is liberal intolerance. If an evangelical had been as nasty about liberals as you have been about evangelicals, I doubt he or she would still be around.

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Moth

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It seems to me that if someone wants to debate on the boards but not become part of the community, they need to be particularly careful to stick rigidly to the rules of debating and neverattack anyone ad hominem. If you want to make little jokes and asides, let alone personal attacks, you need to keep up with how people are feeling, as expressed on the relevant boards.

I find it ironic that this whole thing started because MerseyMike said that Erin bored him. MerseyMike bores me, as all his posts bang on about the same things and from the same viewpoint. I don't tell him that he bores me, I just avoid engaging him in debate, and after a while I have reached the point where I simply scroll through his posts in Purgatory. I would advise him to do the same to Erin's when she posts in her personal capacity.

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snowgoose

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What Laura said! [Not worthy!]

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Save a Siamese!

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Kelly Alves

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..and what Moth said as well.

We had a whole stompin' "Is SOF a community?" a while back, and while the issue was kind of unresolved, my contention was that it is at least a place to encourage community.

When I read the post about Erin's tests on the prayer thread, I felt my stomach drop. Over the last few days, as I have been going on about my business, She has crossed my mind and the worry returns, accompanied by prayer, and even a little lump in the throat, I'm not ashamed to say. Even though Erin lives in Buttfuck, Florida and I never met her and concievably never will, and even though I may not agree with everything she has to say, she has provided me with laughs, insight, straight talk, and an example of self-assurance. I've grown to care about what happens to her.

SO when I read sniggery little remarks about Erin's blood pressure--which were just objects d' art of bad, bad, BAD fucking timing--I was furious. I waited till the fury passed to expand on my "shit timing" comment because my anger was based on the prayer thread post, and I wasn't sure Erin wanted someone who has stated the community aspects of the Ship are meaningless to know her personal shit.

Merseymike, how hard is it to say, "I wasn't aware of the prayer thread, but I can see how some of my comments came at a bad time"?

As to sucking up---I felt exactly the same way when Chastmastr's cat died, and (sorry,Chast honey) what has he got to offer me authority-wise other than bad poetry and a plug on Lonk-o-rama?

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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
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ChastMastr
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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
... bad poetry ...

[Eek!]

b-b-b-

[Eek!]

b-b-b-

[Paranoid]

B-B-B- BAD??

BAWWWLLLL... [Waterworks]

...

BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA! [Killing me]

Psych! [Two face]

David
knows his poetry isn't great, but 'tis all a game
so fear not, Kelly, all is well, he loves you just the same
[Love]


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Kelly Alves

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[Big Grin]

Sorry, I was making a point. Will craft peace offering for your poetry thread.

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Ham'n'Eggs

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quote:
Originally posted by Merseymike:
Why, Laura ? I like discussion, and the web is a good place to do it. I can't see why frequent posting and a view of SoF as 'community' need to go together.

So how exactly do bald statements of your opinion and how much you disapprove of other opinions constitute "discussion"?

If you were to actually engage in discussion in the majority of your posts, you would have some respect here.

As it stands, regularly ramming your opinions down others throats without engaging in reasoned discussion renders you obnoxious to the vast majority of posters.

But then that doesn't matter, does it. Because this is just a website, and serves no purpose other than to make you feel good. Other people are of no significance whatsoever (other than as a good target for cutting down to size), which is why you would never dream of apologising, unless you were forced to.

I'm asking myself exactly why I should not consider you to be a troll and I'm struggling to find a satisfactory answer. Can anyone help me with this one?

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Scot

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I work in a city about an hour from where I live. I do not take an active part in the civic life of the city where I work. I don't vote here, go to church here, sleep here, or have relationships with many people here. For all intents and purposes, I am not a part of this community even though I spend a fair amount of time and money here.

However, I recognize that there is a community in this city. I respect that community. I do not paint graffiti on the walls. I do not bad mouth the police. I am polite in traffic. I do not disrupt this community, even though I do not choose to be a part of it. I feel like it's the least I can do, both out of basic human decency and because of the fact that the community serves my needs even though I am not part of it.

Merseymike, when you are offline do you treat people and communities the same way you do online? Or do you feel justified in treating us differently just because you'll never see most of us face-to-face?

[Scottie, Scottie, Scottie - small things can make a huge difference.]

[ 21. May 2003, 21:29: Message edited by: sarkycow ]

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Merseymike
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I will , without hesitation, apologise for making comments which may well have appeared grossly insensitive. I may be combative, and say what I think, but if I had known about the tests then I would have not used those examples or made those comments.

However, I'm not about to pretend that I see things in the same way as some of my critics, or that my feelings about the Ship will change. To be honest, it rather feels like 'do things the way we want, or you don't fit in here....', which I think is probably the case.

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