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KenWritez
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Originally posted by Merseymike:
I will , without hesitation, apologise for making comments which may well have appeared grossly insensitive. I may be combative, and say what I think, but if I had known about the tests then I would have not used those examples or made those comments.
Yes, you say you will apologize, but you don't apologize, and that is a core issue why you're getting so many negative reactions. You keep on about how you don't see things the way other people here do, and that you see no reason why you should.
Unfortunately, no one here is telling you, "You must agree with me on this issue" or, "You must agree with the Shipmates on everything."
What people are saying is that you are relentlessly belligerent, single-issue and bad mannered in that you're unwilling to abide by the guidelines that govern human community.
You don't believe the SoF is a community? Fine. Your choice. But lots of other people here do believe it, so if you want to interact with people here in a reasonable manner, it falls upon you to respect their belief in this "community" regardless of how you feel about it.
When you visit someone, do you wipe your feet before entering their home or do you decide to track dogshit into their house just because you don't think it's a "proper" house?
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Originally posted by Merseymike:
However, I'm not about to pretend that I see things in the same way as some of my critics, or that my feelings about the Ship will change. To be honest, it rather feels like 'do things the way we want, or you don't fit in here....', which I think is probably the case.
Since I'm not every other Shipmate, I'll speak for myself. The only thing I want from you is nothing more than common courtesy toward me in the Ship. Treat me as a human being, not as a stereotype. You dislike or disagree with my opinions? Great--let's discuss. That is the Tao here on SoF. If you don't follow the Tao, then you are correct; you don't fit in, and your ill-fitting is your own choice.
Continual and snide personal attacks coupled with gross generalizations are not the way to get your points across successfully, unless, and I mean unless, your only desire is to paint yourself as a total horse's ass.
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Ham'n'Eggs
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Reform Boy - too little too late.
Troll.
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Merseymike
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Seems like you've already made your mind up - doesn't it.
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JimT
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There's a start, Mike. Go ahead and take the second step: apologize for taking the bait way, way, way too hard. True, Erin baited all the Michael Moore admirers on the Bowling For Columbine thread with a trollish unsupported statement that he was a "propaganda whore." One of the newbies, who appeared to be used to trollish statements from posting elsewhere, did the right thing and brushed it aside with, "c'mon, he's not that bad, if it's propaganda, back it up."
What's so tough about that, Mike? You gave three salvos back about anyone who seriously criticizes Michael Moore being exactly the kind of right wing idiot he is making fun of. You showed no signs of stopping. No wonder Erin went off like a Roman candle. You think it unnecessary to apologize for jumping straight into "Erin should be fired, Erin is psychologically dependent on the Ship, and your critics on The Ship are some kind of co-dependent enablers?"
Apologize.
You know, if you did, you might get Erin to say, "Yeah maybe newbies might see what I did as a trollish move, but I tell the refs to call a loose game in Purgatory. Welcome to the Big Leagues of Christian debate, newbies."
Or something.
Oh what the Hell, I’ll set a good example. I apologize for interpreting Ley Druid’s posts as “bait” recently because he unapologetically referred to all Shipmates (again) as being “without the balls or brains to debate Father Gregory” several months ago. I went overboard making damn sure he sees us as neither.
Ley Druid, I hope I’ve convinced you, even if you still refuse to apologize.
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JimT
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Massive crosspost. I was responding to MM at the bottom of page 4.
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Ham'n'Eggs
Ship's Pig
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Originally posted by Reform Boy:
Seems like you've already made your mind up - doesn't it.
You have made my mind up. You can also change it back. I won't hold my brath though.
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RooK
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[HOSTLY APPEARANCE UNDER THE BRIDGE]
You all seem to be doing quite well. Points being scored all around, though some of you seem to limit yourself to kicking shins.
However, with regards to the primary vein of this thread, it is meant to address trolling. This is a topic about which there is plenty to snarl about. Merseymike, for the most part, is not really a troll. He's more of a senseless gibbering idiot with Tourette's syndrome and a crocadilian fixation. This useless walking bladder really should be cornered on other threads...
...IF you want this thread to have much chance of talking about trolls.
Hey, listen... billy goats.
[HOST SHRUGS AND LETS THE SCREAMING RESUME]
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Ham'n'Eggs
Ship's Pig
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I wish to make an apology to Merseymike for labelling him a troll.
Merseymike, I apologise for calling you a troll.
Although I feel that he has displayed some behaviour which may be interpreted as characteristic of a troll, and has a posting style which may be seen as antisocial, in general he is here to debate to a certain extent.
I have seen him make some accommodation of his behaviour to this community in the past, so I do not beleive that he is completely without regard for it.
I feel that it is counterproductive to back him up against a wall, as he is particularly well adapted to repelling direct attacks.
You often irritate the hell out of me, but you do represent a challenge that I am the richer for. Whether that is the case for the majority of less robust Shipmates, I cannot say.
Pax
(sorry RooK - this seems to be the only current thread bashing MM, and to start a new one to apologise seems particularly inept)
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Black Dog
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The thing is with all this is that you are all going to turn into mr and mrs pananoids if you don't all stop accusing people at the drop of the hat of being a troll.
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Lifeman
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Like several other on this thread, Joanne was before my time on the Ship.
What was the outcome with her? did she jump or was she pushed?
It sounds like something must have really been eating her up (I assume that most trolls have a reason for trolling?).
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Fibonacci's Number
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Hi Lifeman, check the link Paul W posted earlier.
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Originally posted by Paul W:
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Originally posted by Moo:
I first heard the story of Joann from Suse.
Last year there was a thread in the Styx on the history of the ship. Simon and Erin told some more about Joann's huge number of posts, which Erin, Simon, or Suse promptly deleted.
I don't know what happened to that Styx thread. It may have been deleted.
Moo
No, it's just right down the bottom.
History of the Ship
Paul W
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Lifeman
Troll
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I've had to re-activate this thread because David has annoyingly closed the 'Hello I'm drunk' thread.
I found the above thread of interest because I have sometimes come back from the pub after one too many beers and decided to do a bit of late trolling; I'm sure that alchohol has induced me to turn into a troll on more than one occaision.
It could be that there is a link between booze and trolling - perhaps scientists are currently researching this!!!
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Alan Cresswell
Mad Scientist 先生
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Originally posted by Lifeman:
perhaps scientists are currently researching this
Nope. Trolls are just far too boring. Drunk ones doubly so. More interesting things in the world to research.
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Lifeman
Troll
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I've never heard of trolls described as boring! ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Chapelhead*
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quote:
Originally posted by Lifeman:
I've never heard of trolls described as boring!
I've never heard them described as anything other than boring.
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Scot
Deck hand
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I will not have my brilliant thread bent to serve the purposes of a drunk troll.
My Helltithe is terminated effective immediately. Let nature, red in tooth and claw, take its course.
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Lifeman
Troll
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Well Scot,
You did want to explore trolling ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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Anselmina
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Well, Lifeman, by the sound of it, Scot would like to explore your intestines with that red tooth and claw of his ![[Wink]](wink.gif) .
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Lifeman
Troll
# 579
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An important question, for me, remains unanswered.
How did the word 'troll' come to be used in this context? I always thought that a troll was a kind of Norwegion goblin
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Og: Thread Killer
Ship's token CN Mennonite
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I give Lifeman a 0.7 out of 10 troll score on this one. Far too obvious.
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Alan Cresswell
Mad Scientist 先生
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He may be a master of comedy assessment (though that is still under discussion), but clearly fails the "read all threads" test. I refer, of course, to this thread in the the Styx
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Lifeman
Troll
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Thank you Alan,
That link was useful and illuminating.
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Edward Green
Review Editor
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The nice thing about SoF is that when you do slip a crafty troll into a post because you are pissed off your friends smack you down gently.
Works for me.
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ChrisT
One of the Good Guys™
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Lifeman, you seem to be bent on outing yourself as having troll tendancies. Either fulfil these inner desires with some imagination and flair, or just take part in discussions like the rest of us - with sensible, fun and interesting posts. If you are capable of such.
You are getting really boring.
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Matrix
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What ChrisT said...
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Sarkycow
La belle Dame sans merci
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Originally posted by Edward Green:
The nice thing about SoF is that when you do slip a crafty troll into a post because you are pissed off your friends smack you down gently.
Works for me.
Gently? Gently? What does this word mean?
Slap someone down gently?
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Lifeman
Troll
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Miss Cow, it has been known for shipmates to be slapped down gently; even in hell........
[No, you're getting a hard slap. That wasn't worth saying even once, let alone twice.]
[ 29. May 2003, 14:18: Message edited by: sarkycow ]
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Erin
Meaner than Godzilla
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Chris and Matrix, you don't quite get it. Our resident "Master of Comedy Assessment" has the distinctly anti-comedy habit of picking up something that elicits a weak chuckle at best and beating the fucking thing into its individual molecules for months afterwards.
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Lifeman
Troll
# 579
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You've got a point Erin but what you've described is exactly the way many 'professional' comedians make a living; Bernard Manning is notorious for it and as far as I can see, so is Andrew Dice Clay.
I'm not sure about Tom Green though - he seems to be a genuine original talent.
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Nanny Ogg
Ship's cushion
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Now come on Lifeman - do you really want to be a troll for the rest of your life here on the ship?
What with the constant "clip clip clop" of Billy Goats Gruff over your bridge you won't get any sleep - and believe me the older you get the more sleep you need. ![[Snore]](graemlins/snore.gif)
Also, surely it's just a little too hot for trolls in hell? It has been said that slowness of thought comes about from the effect of heat on the troll brain (being made of silicon).
Now if your brain was deep frozen you would be surprisingly intelligent ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Og: Thread Killer
Ship's token CN Mennonite
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Lifeman is not even a good journeymantroll. Real mastertrolls do not call attention to themselves as trolls, only wannabe weenies who can't get it right.
Would any of the bunnies on here be willing to do a Bugs impersonation and say the most appropriate one word response to Lifeman's little foray into self-promotion?
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Lifeman
Troll
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A post by Nanny Ogg followed by a post by Og!
I take on board the points made but I think that things are being taken a little too seriously. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
I'm not trying to present myself as a 'journeyman troll' (whatever that is); just admitting to have done a little trolling in the past, and that was often as not never meant to be taken seriously (I've been genuinely surprised at times just what some Shipmates do take seriously )
Frankly, trolling is quite unnecessary these days when you look at the depths (and lengths)of abuse that certain very vocal shipmates go to (a recent thread springs to mind which was a war between a transatlantic duo - who need trolls with that going on?) ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Og: Thread Killer
Ship's token CN Mennonite
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Hmmmm....a "Master" doesn't know what a journeyman is?
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Nanny Ogg
Ship's cushion
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quote:
Originally posted by Lifeman:
A post by Nanny Ogg followed by a post by Og!
Those Oggs get everywhere
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I take on board the points made but I think that things are being taken a little too seriously.
Maybe my SOH is a little to subtle?
Or does someone not read the same books? ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Priest
BANNED
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According to my two daughters (7 & 5) Trolls hide under the table and steal your best chips (Americans read "fries") when your not looking.
Needless to say if I catch any of you under my dinner table I'll feed you to the fish.
![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
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Nanny Ogg
Ship's cushion
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quote:
Originally posted by Priest:
According to my two daughters (7 & 5) Trolls hide under the table and steal your best chips (Americans read "fries") when your not looking.
Needless to say if I catch any of you under my dinner table I'll feed you to the fish.
Not worthy so much as to gather up the crumbs under your table... ![[Not worthy!]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
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Lifeman
Troll
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This thread is getting to the point that it would'nt be out of place in heaven!
Surely, this has been the opposite of trolling? ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
(actually, what is the correct adjective that is opposite to being a troll?)
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Black Dog
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You are all brilliant.
just amazing.
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JimT
Ship'th Mythtic
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When one is dim, everyone around them seems brilliant.
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Papio
Ship's baboon
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quote:
Originally posted by JimT:
When one is dim, everyone around them seems brilliant.
JimT - I couldn't agree more. It's funny how the light always beats the darkness isn't it. Or how bright colours always catch the eye faster then dark.
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Black Dog
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quote:
Originally posted by JimT:
When one is dim, everyone around them seems brilliant.
You as well then eh?
Nevermind mate.
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ChrisT
One of the Good Guys™
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Are we really down to the childrens favourite reply to an insult "Yes you are, but what am I"?
And Lifeman, the difference between that thread and trolling is that trolls don't have an intention to clear the air, just pollute it even more.
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Lifeman
Troll
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fair point Chris but I have personally found this thread quite informative (and I don't think that the air has been cleared in the thread that I referred to... just made murkier!)
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JimT
Ship'th Mythtic
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Now I am curious. Why don't you write a long and detailed description of exactly what you learned from this thread that you didn't already know, Lifeman.
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Lifeman
Troll
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Jim T
I don't see need to go into details but it has interesting enough in itself to learn about leading trolls of recent years; in particular the story of Joanne is quite astounding (I have a morbid fascination to meet her just to see what she's really like).
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Nanny Ogg
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quote:
Originally posted by Lifeman:
Jim T
I don't see need to go into details but it has interesting enough in itself to learn about leading trolls of recent years; in particular the story of Joanne is quite astounding (I have a morbid fascination to meet her just to see what she's really like).
I'm sure Erin could bring you her head on a plate
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Moo
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quote:
Originally posted by The One and Only Nanny Ogg:
quote:
Originally posted by Lifeman:
Jim T
I don't see need to go into details but it has interesting enough in itself to learn about leading trolls of recent years; in particular the story of Joanne is quite astounding (I have a morbid fascination to meet her just to see what she's really like).
I'm sure Erin could bring you her head on a plate
Erin might prefer to put the two of you in a locked room (with viewing windows) and see what happens.
Moo
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Black Dog
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Thing is about jimt is that i jsut look at his avatar and lose all will to live.
To me thats his face, and I can't communicate with avatar images like that.
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JimT
Ship'th Mythtic
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Note to self: *never* change avatar.
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ChrisT
One of the Good Guys™
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Whereas, Black Dog, you are faceless. As well as witless.
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