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luvanddaisies
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I thought it might be handy to have a thread for people to rant about the leading light of Westboro Baptist C****h, Fred Phelps, and his actions, rather than the regular new threads that pop up every so often.
Out of curiosity, I was checking up on his hideous godhatesfags.com website and discovered this wonderous quote;
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...Westboro Baptist C****h of Topeka, Kansas, and her picketing ministry...
WTF is a 'picketing ministry'? [I get the definition - but to call it a ministry?!?!?]
Their latest stop along the way on said 'picketing ministry' is this; picketing the funerals of children killed when their school-bus came off the road.
Bastards.
Has the baptist c****h no authority to get rid of the man? If they do, why don't they?
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I could be wrong, but I suspect his church is not actually affiliated to any Baptist denomination.
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luvanddaisies
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You're probably right, actually.
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Since I live in the general area of the folks in question, I think that if you would ask them they would be proud to say that they are not connected with any other Baptist Church in the world, since they are the only true light. ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif)
I was informed this week that since the ECUSA parish they enjoy picketing was burned out of their building, they have been following them around to wherever they hold worship services. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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"Picketing ministry"?!?
FF, I wonder....have the police checked out the activities of all Westboro Baptist Church members on the night of the fire? After that other Episcopal Church was burned down because some kid didn't like their take on the Bible, this one doesn't look very random.
(Perhaps the Phelpses are here to force us to remember to turn the other cheek and pray for our enemies. It is hard sometimes.)
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I thought it looked a bit suspicious too.
Surely even they couldn't justify that?
Well, actually, if they can picket funerals (especially kids' ones, which somehow seems worse), they probably can. Tiny-minded little bigots.
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WTF is a 'picketing ministry'?
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You've got to give them points for the notion.
I've just been called by God to create a 'slap the shit out of assholes ministry' based in Topeka.
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Originally posted by 206:
I've just been called by God to create a 'slap the shit out of assholes ministry' based in Topeka.
I might donate to that.
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luvanddaisies
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I think that's a noble calling, 206.
Maybe it's time the Ship had an official 'cause of the year' - think that might be a strong contender...
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The Lord told me to anticipate it being a very cash intensive ministry what with attorney fees, jail bond and private jets to the ministry sites so fork it over sucker, I mean, please find it in your heart to contribute to this important cause.
And The Vision He's given me is coming into clearer focus minute by minute: unmarked 50 dollar bills are His preference, and lots of 'em.
You'll be doing God's work.
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My God is more cash poor than your God. God's telling me non-sequential hundred pound notes. (Have to cover all of expenses listed by 206, plus trans-Atlantic flights, visas, and VAT.)
Your reward in heaven shall be great.
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God's telling me non-sequential hundred pound notes. (Have to cover all of expenses listed by 206, plus trans-Atlantic flights, visas, and VAT.)
Obviously you're being misled by a false god or you wouldn't forget my franchise fees for the concept. I mean, God's concept. I'm merely His humble servant.
And I'm trying to come up with a slogan: how about
'Slapping Assholes To God's Glory - Please Send Cash'?
But I was never good at details: I'm more of the 'visionary' type which is why I'm working to find minions, er, 'ministry partners'.
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Mea culpa. I was planning on paying the fees with a bit of arbitrage on the foreign currency exchange rates.
With enough success, we can pay others to do the slapping for us. "Wasn't me, guv." We could call it "Happy Slapping". Wait, there's already something called that. Other ideas?
Your minion in ministry,
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quote:
Originally posted by 206:
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WTF is a 'picketing ministry'?
You've got to give them points for the notion.
I've just been called by God to create a 'slap the shit out of assholes ministry' based in Topeka.
Can we picket pickets?
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quote:
Originally posted by MouseThief:
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Originally posted by 206:
I've just been called by God to create a 'slap the shit out of assholes ministry' based in Topeka.
I might donate to that.
Well I have had a semi serious discussion with a member of Cathedral staff about the ministry of the boot he was exercising at the time. We were exempt from administrations having made the journey to the cathedral to attend evensong.
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I wonder if Phelps would regard Jack Chick as a heretic and vice versa. Maybe they could be installed in a room together to tear strips off each other, rather than the world at large.
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I know that American Baptist churches can throw each other out of the region and that if a church does not reaffilliate legally with another region (can be hard) then the church may have to give up the denominational property (building etcetera.) Attended an American Baptist church, (until I moved) who got thrown out of their region for joining The Association of Welcoming & Affirming Baptists. This region was going to ask all its members to sign a statement of doctrine saying they were against homosexuality and if this passed (I don't know about that region since said church is now in a different region) then any church who refused to sign would have been legally leaving the region (and thus would be in shit creek without a paddle.)
However, Southern Baptists are a different boat and I can not speak to their systems.
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I wonder if Phelps would regard Jack Chick as a heretic and vice versa. Maybe they could be installed in a room together to tear strips off each other, rather than the world at large.
But then we'd be flooded with Chick tracts about nutjob protesters, and Phelps would be picketing comic shops, which would be a pain in the arse on both counts.
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Did he take the caramel? I can't imagine he would accept something from one of those f*g-loving 'Piscopalians*.
(*of which I'm one)
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
I thought it might be handy to have a thread for people to rant about the leading light of Westboro Baptist Church, Fred Phelps, and his actions, rather than the regular new threads that pop up every so often.
Out of curiosity, I was checking up on his hideous godhatesfags.com website and discovered this wonderous quote ...
Their latest stop along the way on said 'picketing ministry' is this; picketing the funerals of children killed when their school-bus came off the road.
This gave me an idea -- maybe we could designate one person on the Ship to read and summarize what's on Phelps' website so we're not all running up his hit count.
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Good suggestion but I fear I must decline; I have high blood pressure as it is. Plus I've just had breakfast and would like to retain it within my body in the usual time-honoured manner. quote:
Originally posted by Al Eluia:
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Originally posted by HangarQueen:
I could be wrong, but I suspect his church is not actually affiliated to any Baptist denomination.
I'm pretty sure that's right, and of course there's no such thing as "the Baptist Church," since even within Baptist denominations every congregation is self-governing. Does anyone on this board know, just out of curiosity, how much authority there is within various Baptist denoms to discipline wayward congregations?
Technically, none at all, I'm afraid. As you've said, each Baptist congo is autonomous and pretty much do and believe what the hell they like without sanction. Most Baptist congregations however do choose to affiliate together in various unions, conventions and associations with other like-minded Baptist congos: SBC, ABC and, over here, BUGB and Grace Baptists, to share clergy and other resources, but these associations are purely voluntary and do not in any way amount to denominations, and the worst that can happen is that a congregation can be disaffiliated from a particular grouping - the convention or association can't stop the congo doing what it's doing. AFAIK, Phucktard Phelps and Co have never been in affiliation with anyone else; after all, who would have them?
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Has anyone ever picketed Fred?
Not a happy thought, going out deliberately to make contact with the slimeballs, but I was just wondering what would happen.....
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What I don't understand is how this guy and his ministry make enough money for all this travel, ballot initiatives, etc. Does anyone know? Did he inheirit a lot of money somewhere?
Although what is really scary is that when his daughter ran for office on a very open "I'm in complete agreement with Phelps" ticket, she got a pretty high percentage of the vote.
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That kind of thing reminds me of the scenes in Borat with the rodeo crowd and university students ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Originally posted by altarbird:
What I don't understand is how this guy and his ministry make enough money for all this travel, ballot initiatives, etc. Does anyone know? Did he inheirit a lot of money somewhere?
Although what is really scary is that when his daughter ran for office on a very open "I'm in complete agreement with Phelps" ticket, she got a pretty high percentage of the vote.
Your paragraph 2 answers paragraph 1. There are lots of vindictive, judgmental bastards out there. For every bigot that shows up to picket a soldier's funeral there are a hundred who inwardly cheer Phelps and his ilk.
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Originally posted by My Duck:
Has anyone ever picketed Fred?
Not a happy thought, going out deliberately to make contact with the slimeballs, but I was just wondering what would happen.....
Shipmeet for those in south USA?
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Originally posted by Paul W.:
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I wonder if Phelps would regard Jack Chick as a heretic and vice versa. Maybe they could be installed in a room together to tear strips off each other, rather than the world at large.
But then we'd be flooded with Chick tracts about nutjob protesters, and Phelps would be picketing comic shops, which would be a pain in the arse on both counts.
bloody funny though - and it'd keep them occupied.
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
I thought it might be handy to have a thread for people to rant about the leading light of Westboro Baptist Church, Fred Phelps, and his actions, rather than the regular new threads that pop up every so often.
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Originally posted by RuthW:
This gave me an idea -- maybe we could designate one person on the Ship to read and summarize what's on Phelps' website so we're not all running up his hit count.
That'd be an, er, interesting assignment. Good idea - but can I volunteer NOT to be the Chosen One&trade
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I think they're technically Primitive/Particular Baptists; so they claim to be on their website. It seems like what non-homosexual-hating theology they do teach is uber-Calvinist.
Primitve Bapists AFAIK are pretty autonomous though, dont have many links with each other. Also looks like the Primitive Baptist Web Station doesn't list them amongst its members... Could be they're as appalled by Westboro as everyone else.
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You do realise that Phelps is the heart of American society though, right?
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Orb:
You do realise that Phelps is the heart of American society though, right?
No, not the heart but the "mean center" according to Wiki'. It's very probably a fine place and has done nothing to deserve its name.
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
Shipmeet for those in south USA? ...
Not so very far south; Kansas licence plates read "Midway USA" in my childhood. We could draw from a wide geographic area and be equally inconvenient for (almost) all.
And I know where there's an excellent microbrewery in nearby Lawrence -- perfect for pre- and post-picketing libations. I'll bet Frustrated Farmer could help us out on that front, though.
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Now that would be nervewracking - can you imagine dropping the MW calling card into that particular collection plate?
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Did he take the caramel? I can't imagine he would accept something from one of those f*g-loving 'Piscopalians*.
(*of which I'm one)
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Years ago on a mailing list now far away, you could request the listserver to send the FAQ for the list. The command was 'get anglican-faq'.
Every now and again somebody would slip and send the request to the list rather than to the server. And it seemed that every time somebody made the mistake, they would also make the second mistake, and ask to 'get anglican-fag'.
This was the source of some hilarity...
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If someone would like directions to the church in question, please contact me by PM.
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luvanddaisies
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How about directions for the church in question?
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An interesting point is when bad things happen (a.k.a. children dying in a bus crash), Phelps & Co. are there in a hurry 'cause "God is punishing the unrighteous", but when bad things happen to the WBC (i.e. bombings, acts of violence toward them) they're considered to be "attacks" from the sinful world.
B'golly gosh, yuh think he might jest be tryin' ta git attention?
Anyway, here's a great video of a faux-news reporter hitting on Fred Phelps Jr. It's definitely worth a view.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KZPsTM-4qgg
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Anyway, here's a great video of a faux-news reporter hitting on Fred Phelps Jr. It's definitely worth a view.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KZPsTM-4qgg
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Yes, the Phelps have been picketed in the past and all it did was give them more fodder for their hatred. It also made the group more newsworthy and that is the last thing they needed. Personally, having seen them in action on a daily basis since they began picketing, more attention is the last thing they need. From what I hear, they are also very controlling about who is allowed to join them for worship. You may have to undergo close scrutiny before they will allow you in their services. If anyone wants directions on how to find their church, I would be more than happy to give directions on getting there. As for me, no way on earth you would ever find me darkening their door. PM me for directions.
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Originally posted by Al Eluia:
If I remember the story correctly he did, although I don't know if he ate it. (And me too; I love f*g Newtons)
Repent sinner! Don't you know that God Hates F*gs? ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by SearchingForAbsolutes:
Anyway, here's a great video of a faux-news reporter hitting on Fred Phelps Jr. It's definitely worth a view.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KZPsTM-4qgg
That's rather satisfying to watch - particularly when he runs to hide behind his wife.
Maybe if a bunch of people were recruited to hit on Phelps and his wife whenever they're out picketing, they might be put off it a bit.
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Originally posted by Campbellite:
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Originally posted by Al Eluia:
If I remember the story correctly he did, although I don't know if he ate it. (And me too; I love f*g Newtons)
Repent sinner! Don't you know that God Hates F*gs?
Remember what Jesus did to the f*g tree....
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Refresh my memory - split them open and grilled them lightly with a dash of honey and served it up with homemade vanilla bean ice cream?
Because that's what I do, and I do so try to emulate Christ in all my doings.
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what, you eat the whole tree?
Burn the heretic ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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SearchingForAbsolutes
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LINK
Found another gem! A Norwegian radio station does a little prank on Big Freddy himself. They call him and play a (quite obvious) prerecorded tape of questions, but Fred starts with his preaching and doesn't even notice (even when the audio starts repeating itself and malfunctions!).
[Are you sure that link name was long enough?]
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
Maybe if a bunch of people were recruited to hit on Phelps and his wife whenever they're out picketing, they might be put off it a bit.
It would be funny, but I wouldn't recommend it.
IIRC, Matthew Shephard's murder was triggered by hitting on (?) a straight man in a bar. I'm NOT in any way, shape, or form blaming Matthew. Just saying that the proposed action could be very dangerous.
And I suspect that Fred is mentally ill, deeply closeted, possibly an abuse survivor, or some combination of the three. If someone pushed his buttons by hitting on him...
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