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Thread: Doctor Who: Fall 2014
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Dafyd
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Originally posted by Gill H:
The Christmas specials are not usually my favourites, and last year was particularly awful
I liked it.
Christmas Special Ranking best to worst:
The Snowmen.
A Christmas Carol.
Time of the Doctor.
The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe.
Voyage of the Titanic.
The Runaway Bride.
The Christmas Invasion.
End of About Sodding Time.
The line between would watch again and wouldn't watch again without some ulterior motive is somewhere just above The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe.
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Dafyd
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The Snowmen.
A Christmas Carol.
Time of the Doctor.
The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe.
Voyage of the Titanic.
The Runaway Bride.
The Christmas Invasion.
The Next Doctor.
End of About Sodding Time.
I forgot The Next Doctor. It goes in there on the grounds of clearly utterly unmemorable.
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Callan
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The Feast of Steven?
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jedijudy
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Originally posted by M.:
I thought Father Christmas lives in Lapland - why are they going to the North Pole?
M.
He does. I have proof.
![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Adeodatus
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
The Snowmen.
A Christmas Carol.
Time of the Doctor.
The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe.
Voyage of the Titanic.
The Runaway Bride.
The Christmas Invasion.
The Next Doctor.
End of About Sodding Time.
I'm not going to contradict the opinion that the forthcoming Christmas episode looks dire. But Dafyd, you've hit the nail on the head - most of them are dire. For me, The Snowmen is outstanding, in a completely different league to any of the others. I'd put The End of Time somewhere around the middle, and Voyage of the Titanic so far down the list that the guy in the flat downstairs from me will complain about this Doctor Who episode that's just fallen through his ceiling. Otherwise, I'd pretty much agree with your ranking.
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beatmenace
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Re: Orson Pink
Not sure if this is mentioned higher up but Clara's trying to get hold of Danny with big news (before she inadvertently helps to get him killed). "Watch where you're going with that Mobile , Eugene". One of the Post-Its says '3 Months'.
Now I think that probably resolves the origin of Pink jr.
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Marvin the Martian
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So what did people think of the Christmas special this year? I liked it - very Inception-like!
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M.
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I liked it too.
M.
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Robert Armin
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Was expecting to hate it, but loved it! One of the best this series, and so much better than last year's effort. In my humble o, of course.
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Inception - yes, very much. It was very good, very interesting, confusing in a nice way.
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Adeodatus
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I really really liked it, though I thought it took a while to warm up. Once the dream premise got established it got really creepy. One of the friends I was watching with wondered how the BBC had got away with showing a horror story at teatime.
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Ariel
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I missed the first 10 minutes but came in at the point where Santa had arrived and the rainbow slinkies were crossing the floor, and thought this was going to be dire.
After that it improved a bit but got a bit predictable with the layers of nested dreams, no real surprises as you could see that coming, but slightly disquieting all the same. It was, however, clever than I'd initially expected it was going to be.
Not one I'd watch again and I'm not sure whether I actually liked it, but an ok episode.
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Dafyd
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It's obviously going to be about nested dreams from the point at which they're attacked by facehuggers. What's good isn't the nested dreams as such, but what it has to say about dreams along the way.
Probably the best Christmas special so far.
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Ariel
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I hadn't actually heard of Facehuggers (or seen "Alien") but the Dream Crabs are the latest version of a theme that goes back a very long way. "Am I a man dreaming he was a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming I am a man?"
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orfeo
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Quite enjoyed that. Had an interesting mix of downright scary bits with lighthearted entertainment (the sleigh ride).
It was also quite moving at times, with Danny and old Clara.
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Jack o' the Green
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I really enjoyed it and agree that overall, it was the best Christmas special. It was scary, mildly thought provoking, and moving. I'm glad Clara is staying. I feel her and the Doctor's relationship still has ways to develop.
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Eigon
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I thought it was a lovely way to see Danny again (I love Danny - I just want to hug him) - and what a way for the Doctor and Clara to find out they were both lying at the end of the last episode.
The thing with the cracker and Old Clara looked awfully familiar from the end of the Eleventh Doctor's time, as well.
I'm glad they'll have another season together. I like Clara almost as much as Sarah Jane.
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Penny S
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So when did the Dr pick up his dream, since Santa irrupted into the Tardis at the end of Death in Heaven? And how do we know, now, what is, or is not, dream. (I gather from elsewhere that the old Clara was originally the end - note the stair lift in the opening tracking shot to her room, but that when Jenna asked to continue, they did a rewrite.)
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LeRoc
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I liked it too. Yes, the "we're still dreaming" was preditable, but it was done in a fun way. Slowly warming up to the Twelfth Doctor.
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Roseofsharon
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Both (grown up)sons enjoyed 'Last Christmas'. Elder thought it was Capaldi's best so far. Both mentioned Inception (meant nothing to me, but clearly does to fans here).
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Wet Kipper
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other than the "yippee-aye-aaaaaay" bit where the Dr drove the sleigh, I thought it was good.
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Mr Clingford
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Originally posted by Wet Kipper:
other than the "yippee-aye-aaaaaay" bit where the Dr drove the sleigh, I thought it was good.
A nod to another Christmas production? (Die Hard?).
I was dismayed at the trailer with the appearance of Santa but was hugely relieved by the show as it was excellent. I also was pleasantly surprised at the level of horror especially when the sleepers broke through like a nightmare.
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Wet Kipper
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it just felt out of place to see this particular Doctor behaving like a child - even if it was someone's dream at the time.
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balaam
Making an ass of myself
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The elements of the dream sequences were given at the end. The to do list at the end read: quote:
Christmas Day Itinery
1. DVD (Alien)
2. DVD (the Thing from another world)
3. Dad comes round
4. DVD (Miracle on 34th Street)
5. Thrones Marathon
6. Forgive Dave???
There was Inception too, the Doctor's explanation of dreams not having a beginning is taken straight from that film.
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Hedgehog
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Okay, with the recent discussions of clearing out Oblivion and with several Doctor Who threads currently in Limbo, I decided to go there and review the comments around the 50th Anniversary Special, "The Day of the Doctor."
On November 26, 2013, M. commented:
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There is a point where Clara is coming out of the Tardis and, as Macarius pointed out to me, the arm holding the door open is clearly not hers (I will need to go and have another look to see exactly when/where it is).
Is it just an error? Does Stephen Moffat make errors like that? Am I just reading too much into it?
As a technical correction, Clara was not coming out of the TARDIS, but out of the painting, as the three Doctors break into the secret Unit archive that has been TARDIS-proofed. But M. is correct that, as Clara emerges, the hand clinging to the edge of the picture frame is not Clara's. Because we see Clara's head in the background and the hand in the foreground, it was meant to give the impression that it was her hand, but on close inspection (if you have it on DVD) it clearly isn't.
But it isn't a mistake by Moffat. Look at the hand closely--I am pretty certain that it is Missy's hand! So Moffat, even before he introduced Missy properly, had provided a visual clue as to how the Master/Missy got away from Gallifrey when the Doctor was about to freeze it in a moment of time! She got out the same way the Doctors did, through the painting that was a frozen moment in the final battle for Gallifrey.
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Callan
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Basically OK but 'Field Trip' (X-Files) and 'Won't Get Fooled Again' (Farscape) did the same thing much better, particularly the latter.
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M.
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Ooh, Hedgehog! Will have to go and re-watch it!
M.
[ 05. January 2015, 06:14: Message edited by: M. ]
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Adeodatus
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Folks, I just saw something that made me go "Wow". For those of you who have followed the TARDIS Eruditorum blog, the magnificent Philip Sandifer has brought it to a close - with a gorgeous entry close to 100,000 words. Enjoy!
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Kelly Alves
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No way!
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Adeodatus
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
No way!
Way.
But I confess I'm a bit confused about why he's finished it the way he has. He's only covered the Peter Capaldi stories as first-reaction reviews, which is very different from the style of the rest of the Eruditorum.
It leads me to think that perhaps in a year or two he'll come back to it. On the other hand, perhaps he sees his beautifully convoluted coverage of River Song's story as the last thing he wants to say about the show.
Either way, that last entry is a lovely piece of writing. I'm only part-way through it yet, but Sandifer is clearly a very talented and skilled writer, writing about a subject close to his heart.
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Dafyd
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
But I confess I'm a bit confused about why he's finished it the way he has. He's only covered the Peter Capaldi stories as first-reaction reviews, which is very different from the style of the rest of the Eruditorum.
It leads me to think that perhaps in a year or two he'll come back to it. On the other hand, perhaps he sees his beautifully convoluted coverage of River Song's story as the last thing he wants to say about the show.
I believe he's coming back to Peter Capaldi, if only because he'll be able to make money off the book. But his style in the rest of the Eruditorum depends on being able to treat each episode as a historical artifact with some critical distance. His piece on Name of the Doctor, for example, suffers because Name of the Doctor was still pretty much current events.
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Either way, that last entry is a lovely piece of writing. I'm only part-way through it yet, but Sandifer is clearly a very talented and skilled writer, writing about a subject close to his heart.
I think Sandifer likes the idea of long convoluted sentences more than he has the talent to structure them effectively. I say this as someone who thinks Rowan Williams is a model of good prose style.
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Dafyd
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Having criticised his style, I should say that I think the content of Sandifer's blog is uniformly intelligent and thought-provoking. Also he likes the McCoy and Smith-Capaldi eras, which automatically puts me in sympathy with him.
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Dafyd
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According to the BBC's Doctor Who site, [spoiler] is going to come back for the new series.
If you'd asked me even a year ago I'd have said I couldn't imagine looking forward to that, [spoiler] being to my mind one of the most overused and least interesting elements of the Doctor Who mythology. Now I am looking forward to it.
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balaam
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The BBC website and the Radio Times website seem to have different spoilers.
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Ariel
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I can't stand that woman. I doubt I'll be watching if she's in it.
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LeRoc
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If it is who I think it is, I'm rather happy. I don't know how they'll fit it into her time line though.
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Penny S
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I want Osgood back. It isn't often we get a good female thinker.
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Eigon
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Poor Osgood.
I've just started a book called Who Goes There, by Nick Griffiths, which is an account of him visiting all the Doctor Who locations he can find. It looks like it's going to be a fun read.
Apparently the doll factory in Spearhead from Space was just off the Holloway Road in London - the interior views, anyway.
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Ann
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Originally posted by Eigon:
Poor Osgood.
I've just started a book called Who Goes There, by Nick Griffiths, which is an account of him visiting all the Doctor Who locations he can find. It looks like it's going to be a fun read.
Apparently the doll factory in Spearhead from Space was just off the Holloway Road in London - the interior views, anyway.
And the Autons broke through the windows of the old John Sanders in Ealing Broadway - diagonally opposite Christ the Saviour Church - where my junior shcool was - I'd left the year before.
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Eigon
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Ealing Broadway was the first place the author visited!
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balaam
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There are places that have not been used as locations, and should be.
Like the Dalek in Leeds.
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