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Golden Key
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Amen! Preach it!
(And may the spirit of Fred Phelps be able to laugh at the happenings, just a little bit.)
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In Seattle a couple of years ago, they made a musical Stu for Silverton about the transgender mayor of a small town in Oregon. When the Westboro Baptist Church decided to picket him at a town parade, they inspired most of the rest of the town to show up at the parade in drag to support their mayor.
It was a pretty funny musical.
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lilBuddha
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Had to look at the masthead, thought that was an Onion article.
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What particularly amazes me about this story (apart from the fact that it exists at all) is that they consider it arrogant to use the indicators to predict the weather (as Jesus said people do, without condemnation), but is is not arrogant and presumptive to say what God hates.
I suspect that, actually, God Hates Westboro.
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Latest assault on reason is to protest outside Kim Davis' office Oct.19th. As an adultress she should be issuing marriage certificates to gays as punishment to herself. (use links in previous posts if you want more).
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Palimpsest: In Seattle a couple of years ago, they made a musical Stu for Silverton about the transgender mayor of a small town in Oregon. When the Westboro Baptist Church decided to picket him at a town parade, they inspired most of the rest of the town to show up at the parade in drag to support their mayor.
It was a pretty funny musical.
Wouldn't it be possible to write a musical about a LGBT topic that casts them as extras, since we can be sure that they will show up?
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From the weather article:
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"...nothing happens in this earth without the direct command of God ..."
Including the existence of gay, lesbian, bisexual and trans-gender people?
The words "shoot", "self" and "foot" spring to mind ... ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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So basically, all forms of science that risk telling you something about the world are evil. One should engage in constant supplication and, when there's a thunderstorm or tornado, shrike "God is angry!" and cower under the table.
And yet these morons seem to cope with the modern technology spreading their self-advertising.
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Alan Cresswell
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I wonder if they'll take commercial airlines to get to Kentucky for their picket of Ms Davis office? If so, would they complain if the pilot decided to route around any severe weather on the way?
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Lyda*Rose
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Originally posted by Piglet:
From the weather article:
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"...nothing happens in this earth without the direct command of God ..."
Including the existence of gay, lesbian, bisexual and trans-gender people?
The words "shoot", "self" and "foot" spring to mind ...
Shrug. They're hyper-Calvinists. God created some people to be damned. The thing that I don't understand is why they spend all this time and energy protesting. It isn't going to change anything if God decreed it. Everything is signed and sealed in the Book of Everything. All I can think is that it is just a big raspberry at the world, "Nyah! Nyah! We've been saved and you haven't and you never will be! HAHAHA!!!"
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Schroedinger's cat
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I think you are also attributing more logic and sense to their position that it justifies.
I know in some areas, some of them are reasonably intelligent. But when it comes to defining their theological position, all of that goes out of the window. Not unlike in other churches, of course, but there the results is rather more incomprehensible.
And I still can't get over the fact they miss Jesus saying in Mt 16, where he explains that they know how to do (rudimentary) weather forecasting, without condemnation, but they still can't see the signs of the kingdom.
Although I suspect they interpret "signs of the kingdom" as being the hideous placards they hold up. In the end, they have a religion of hatred, so they just have to hate everyone, and then find justification for their hatred.
And it does always intrigue me that, while they are very extreme, many other churches and church groups use similar tactics. This is not just evangelical groups either.
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Golden Key
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The situation of the Phelpses themselves isn't necessarily hopeless. Some members got out of the family cult and have separate lives. One, Fred's son, has been public about it.
I wonder how things are between Shirley and the rest of the clan. She was kind of lawyer-in-chief. AIUI, other members tried to push her out, before Fred died--and he actually stood up for her. If they now pushed hard enough to make her leave, however angrily and reluctantly, a) it might be good for her; and b) would the remaining group gradually crumble?
I was just thinking it would be cool for Pope Francis to walk up to one of their protests. (Not that I'd wish it on him!!) Maybe have some gentle but strong comments for them. But they might well try to hit him with their protest signs. Hmmm...Westboro vs. Papal and US Secret Service...
ETA: And, afterwards, wouldn't that make a great skit on "Saturday Night Live"?
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Golden Key
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Several years ago, we had a discussion when Megan and Grace Phelps-Roper, two twenty-something sisters, left Westboro.
The New Yorkers Nov. 23, 2015 issue has an article on their journey, focusing mostly on Megan. It's a long article, but IMHO worth reading. And it's interspersed with classic New Yorker cartoons. (Unrelated to the article.)
Don't miss the last paragraph! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Fred Phelps died in March, 2014, at the age of eighty-four. Former members of the church told me that Fred had had a softening of heart at the end of his life and had been excommunicated.
HA HA HA HA HA!
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Golden Key
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Rook--
Did you read the end of that paragraph? His heart evidently softened a *lot*, comparatively, given who he began to accept.
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It does definitely sound like, at the end of his life, he realised how completely wrong he had been.
That must have been horrible. I can honestly say that I hope he was able to make his peace with God, because my God is like that, a God of mercy.
Of course, maybe he just realised that everything he had stood for and worked for in his life was mistaken and broken, and died an utterly desperate soul, which would have been justice.
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And it does sound like the daughter Meg is a discerning and seeking person, who eventually could not tolerate the crap they were ladling out. Good for her, to walk out.
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
It does definitely sound like, at the end of his life, he realised how completely wrong he had been.
That must have been horrible. I can honestly say that I hope he was able to make his peace with God, because my God is like that, a God of mercy.
Of course, maybe he just realised that everything he had stood for and worked for in his life was mistaken and broken, and died an utterly desperate soul, which would have been justice.
Wiki says that Fred was reportedly excommunicated for speaking positively about Equality House ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) .
If true, just WOW. That is the Holy Spirit in action. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Even if he died thinking he had been very wrong and that God had turned his back on him, I believe that there was a pleasant surprise in store for him.
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The Grauniad of 10 April 2016 has an article about 'Losing extreme faith', with, amongst others, Megan Phelps-Roper.
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That was interesting. And I can't help reading it with the current Archers discussion about domestic abuse in mind, particularly with regard to the Hasidic Jewish young woman.
It looks as if there is a capability for people to submit to situations which are not beneficial to their development as individuals, though they may be beneficial to physical survival.
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I'm not familiar with the app, but, having kids, I am aware of Pokémon (sue me). It appears that WBC have enlisted Jigglypuff. I'm not sure whether Fred would have approved...
Behold!
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Schroedinger's cat
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Are WBC going to picket the funeral of democracy, which must be due in the UK sometime soon?
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I saw this article about the neighbourly relations between WBC and the LGBTetc rainbow house opposite them, and now the trans-house by it. It's interesting; seems like there is actually some positivity there. Who'd have thought it?
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There was a piece in the Guardian about the mayor of Miami after the shooting finding a nice area in the cemetery which would take all the victims, if their families wanted it, and organising construction fencing around it, in case the WBC decided to turn up.
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
I saw this article about the neighbourly relations between WBC and the LGBTetc rainbow house opposite them, and now the trans-house by it. It's interesting; seems like there is actually some positivity there. Who'd have thought it?
Being around them helped Fred Phelps to start changing his mind and heart, before he died. (Something I read, afterwards.) It's awesome. And what a great way for the LGBT folks there to quietly let Fred know they're human.
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
I saw this article about the neighbourly relations between WBC and the LGBTetc rainbow house opposite them, and now the trans-house by it. It's interesting; seems like there is actually some positivity there. Who'd have thought it?
Don't get your hopes up. I drive by their compound nearly every day, on the way to the local dog park. Their weekly church signs are getting even uglier. The following is an example.
GOD SENT THE SHOOTER TO ORLANDO! NOW GO AND SIN NO MORE!!!
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As so often, their public display and show will get more aggressive as their core beliefs are shattering. I still see it as a possible positive development.
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I'm with you, SC. Rhetoric is rhetoric, but the choice to treat humans like humans has the tragic consequence of changing attitudes.
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Golden Key
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So...WBC protested at the RNC convention. And were met by folks with other signs. Great pic.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Not WBC, but some other nut of the same ilk.
I rather like this account of it, which contrasts Perkins' claim that
Hurricane Joaquin was punishment from God for the Supreme Court’s decision to legalize gay marriage with his explanation of his own flooding:
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[I]t was sent as “as an incredible, encouraging spiritual exercise to take you to the next level in your walk with an almighty and gracious God who does all things well.”
So when other people are flooded out, it is a sign of God's displeasure, but when he is flooded out it is a sign of God's gracious nature in affording him an encouraging spiritual exercise.
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Kelly Alves
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Yeah, it's a compliment, really.
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Golden Key
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As the Book says, "Whom the LORD loveth, He chasteneth".
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The HuffPost version of the story ended by saying that *no one* deserves what this guy went through--and that the writer hopes he comes to realize that.
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Perhaps Fred Phelps will visit him in the night, maybe in his dreams, and Explain A Few Things.
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Not Westboro as such but a "supporter" insists on telling kids waiting to visit Santa that he isn't real.
What an uncircumcised glans* he is.
*Complete dickhead.
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Former Westboro member Megan Phelps Roper gives a TED talk. I wonder if we could get her on some Dead Horse threads?
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Golden Key
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We discussed her, a few years ago. IIRC, we wanted her to join the Ship, but thought it might be too much exposure for her. We might have been going by something she said publicly, or maybe someone wrote to her.
I think the gist was that it might be too hard on her.
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Schroedinger's cat
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I think it was one of those strange times, when the ship as a whole wanted to send out a message of love and support for her, someone who was not and was unlikely to be a shipmate.
It was something very special.
I am just waiting until she can make it over here and talk at Greenbelt. That would be completely awesome (but might be too much for her). She would find so much love and care there.
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Golden Key
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IIRC, one of the other escapees--a man--wrote a book about his experiences. I think Megan wrote some articles, but I'm not sure if she's written any books.
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Well, all credit to both of them, showing that the evil propagated by Westboro (I won't dignify them by calling them a 'church') is not invincible.
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Well, look who's in Phoenix this weekend.
Odd choice of places to picket, especially since there was a huge Gay Pride celebration going on this weekend.
(Apparently at the high school about ten Westboro picketers showed up, outnumbered by parents protesting them.)
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