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mr cheesy
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We've just started using the celtic daily prayer liturgy (from the Northumbria Community) as an effort to be more disciplined during lent (and possibly beyond).
I was wondering what offices other liturgically minded shipmates use, why and how.
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I tend to flip between Morning and Evening in the BCP and using The Little Book of Hours from the Community of Jesus.
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I have used the celtic office when praying the offices alone, but I eventually got a little fed up with the lectionary, which, IIRC, had little continuity in itself, being roughly structured around monthly subjects. So I used the Celebrating Common Prayer lectionary instead, and also used a reflection from a Taize book, which had one for each day of the year. I found this a helpful structure for individual prayer.
Now I say the office with others, we either use the Common Worship Daily prayers, or the Book of Common Prayer. Both offer a day-to-day familiar structure which is supplemented by a weekday lectionary.
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Ian Climacus
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I used to use a Benedictine prayer book [Glenstal Book of Prayer] that was selling quite well when I lived in Dublin.
I also used the Anglican Australian Prayer Book offices.
Nowadays I use the Orthodox Morning and Evening prayers [when I remember ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif) ] and use the daily readings from the Lectionary.
I find it a great help; it does provide some form of structure for my wildly up-and-down prayer life.
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Rossweisse
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I usually use the Daily Office from the American BCP. I try to do MP and EP every day (I really do try!), and on REALLY good days I do Noonday Prayer and Compline as well.
I also use -- sometimes as an extra discipline, sometimes just for a change -- the offices from my grandfather's Anglo-Catholic Prayer Book. There's some very nice stuff in there.
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I use Celebrating Common Prayer: a book by David Stancliffe (in a personal capacity, but he is chair of the CofE Commision for Liturgical Reform) and Br. Tristam, SSF.
This book is very good at enhancing the rhythms of the day, week and year. The rather minimal lectionary is starting to get to me though, so I may have to find some more substantial readings to add to it.
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Like ACOL-ite, I use Celebrating Common Prayer, but with the CW lectionary. I use Common Worship for compline, because it's not variable like CCP and so I can pretty much say it without the book.
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I tried CCP for a while, but had some difficulties. I found myself at home with The Anglican Breviary for a while, but I have now started to find my way around The Sarum Psalter, which contains everything, including the plainsong for the hymns and antiphons.
It is difficult initially, but I'm finding my way through it and settling into a comfortable routine.
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I use the Roman Breviary. It only gets beyond a joke when the Office of Readings goes into the lengthy (and it seems ever more lengthy with each passing year) serialisation of St Augustine's meditation on the Shepherds.
I also try to read a Chapter of the Rule of our Holy Father St Benedict each day.
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Amazing Grace*
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Items I have and use, with varying degrees of frequency:
Book of Common Prayer (bookmarked at Compline, which I usually read)
Seasonally-appropriate copy of "The Divine Hours" - contains morning and noonday prayer, vespers, and compline, complete with readings. Somewhat bulky, so inappropriate for travel.
If the BCP isn't findable and my copy of "Shorter Christian Prayer" is, I read Night Prayer in the latter. It also has hymn texts printed in tiny text in the back, which I find useful and more portable than my hymnal.
I recently obtained a set of the Daily Office books for ECUSA. These contain the offices, the psalter (natch), and all the Scripture readings for the day. I'm pretty excited about this, as even the prospect of flipping around in my Bible for OT/Psalm/Epistle/Gospel has put me off full MP/EP.
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GreyFace
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CCP again, and I play fast and loose with the lectionary.
The latest Pocket Version requires less page flicking although for some reason I seem to prefer the wording in the older larger one.
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Rossweisse
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Originally posted by Amazing Grace:
...I recently obtained a set of the Daily Office books for ECUSA. These contain the offices, the psalter (natch), and all the Scripture readings for the day. I'm pretty excited about this, as even the prospect of flipping around in my Bible for OT/Psalm/Epistle/Gospel has put me off full MP/EP.
The big green quartet, or the cute little black ones? (There's also a big one with BOTH years in it, but it's inappropriate for travel.) I find that the CLB book for the year fits nicely into a ziplock bag for toting purposes, and it makes it SO much easier to stay with it.
Rossweisse // needing all the help I can get
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Thurible
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I generally use "Morning and Evening Prayer", which is the shorter Roman Breviary, with CW lectionary. However, over Christmas, I used Common Worship: Daily Prayer, which was fine, but lacked a certain something.
I used CCP in Advent, but didn't really find it terribly inspiring (and the Psalter doesn't have antiphons! ![[Frown]](frown.gif) ).
I use the BCP when I go to Cathedral Evensong, or at Matins in Chapel on a cycle of BCP/CW/Methodist Worship Book, or when I fancy it really.
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The Expatriate Theolinguist
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When I remember (and it's been a good few weeks since I did ) I use the Pocket Version of CCP.
Thing is, though, there doesn't seem to be a proper Lectionary in it - just some very short verses...
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CCP morning prayer (weekdays) and BCP evening prayer (every day of Lent) though I must confess that I don't do the readings and the psalter.
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I use Common Worship: Daily Prayer but I'm not liturgically-minded and I'm assuming that if one is, one is supposed to dislike it. I've been using the "test mode" paperback edition for about two years and I like it a lot. It's also available online.
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The Scrumpmeister
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For those of you who use Common Worship: Daily Prayer, here is a fantastic resource:
http://www.davegoode.net/
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Originally posted by Rossweisse:
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Originally posted by Amazing Grace:
...I recently obtained a set of the Daily Office books for ECUSA. These contain the offices, the psalter (natch), and all the Scripture readings for the day. I'm pretty excited about this, as even the prospect of flipping around in my Bible for OT/Psalm/Epistle/Gospel has put me off full MP/EP.
The big green quartet, or the cute little black ones? (There's also a big one with BOTH years in it, but it's inappropriate for travel.) I find that the CLB book for the year fits nicely into a ziplock bag for toting purposes, and it makes it SO much easier to stay with it.
Your acronymage made me do a doubletake, as those are my initials. Whichever set I got would be the CLB books ![[Biased]](wink.gif) .
The store made the choice extra-easy for me (post-bifocals, anyway ) by only having two volumes of the four-volume green set available. And it wasn't even for this year!
Actually the original "black book" I got was missing sixty pages of the psalter. I'm glad that's where the problem was; with fifteen hundred plus pages, it may have taken me a while to discover other omissions. They were extremely cheerful about exchanging it for me.
Thanks mucho for the ziploc baggie tip; my BCP got a tiny bit water-damaged over Christmas and that will help prevent other problems when I'm transporting it in my big bag.
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Tractor Girl
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I go for the Celtic ones, having done a year of the readings without the office included when I recently saw the big book with them all in I invested. So now also use the office for prayer when I have time to do it properly.
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The Silent Acolyte
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I recently obtained a set of the Daily Office books for ECUSA. These contain the offices, the psalter (natch), and all the Scripture readings for the day. I'm pretty excited about this, as even the prospect of flipping around in my Bible for OT/Psalm/Epistle/Gospel has put me off full MP/EP.
Amazing Grace, is this really true?! Every couple of years or so I torture myself looking for a single volume that contains all four readings, two for MP and two for EP, for either the full year or a portion of it. Every couple of years, frustrated, I wonder if I am the only person who would buy such a book.
Is there now such a thing? Is it suitable for travel?
I would settle for a light-weight pocket-size combination 1979 BCP & Bible with Aprocrypha.
Oh, by the way, what are the CLB books?
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Rossweisse
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Sorry, sorry, sorry -- "CLB books" was short for the previously mentioned "cute little black books," which may be found (and even purchased) here.
I like the two-volume set (complete with box) because they're eminently portable. I also like having both Rite I and Rite II, 'cos I think it's healthy to switch off and not grow too automatic with one or the other.
Rossweisse // and they fit nicely into quart-size Ziploc bags...
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The Silent Acolyte
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Rosseweise, I know I'm a whiner and not easily satisfied, but these CLB books had only three of the four lessons necessary to read both Morning Prayer and Evening Prayer. Has this changed, along with the price increase to 116 dollars. [They were 95 clams last time I checked.]
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Thurible
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"The Prayer Book Office" used to do a similar thing for the BCP (1662, I assume, although possibly English 1928). This, though, is now out of print, and incredibly difficult to acquire.
Does anyone know if there's any sort of plan in the pipe-line to do it with a contemporary language English Anglican office - whether CCP or CW? I mean, I'm not asking a lot - all I want is a Roman Breviary published by Church House Publishing and costing a lot less!
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Originally posted by The Dumb Acolyte:
Rosseweise, I know I'm a whiner and not easily satisfied, but these CLB books had only three of the four lessons necessary to read both Morning Prayer and Evening Prayer. Has this changed, along with the price increase to 116 dollars. [They were 95 clams last time I checked.]
I use the Daily Office Book (two cute bonded-leather volumes with too many typos) most often, to pray the office exactly the way it's done twice daily in my parish church (Ascension, Chicago): in the evening, the first lesson is the Gospel in Year 1 and the Epistle (or middle lesson) in Year 2. Second lesson is from Readings for the Daily Office From the Early Church. Canticles are always Mag and Nunc at EP. Not 100% rubrical (I'd have to look it up), but that's how we do it as a parish.
I have the Monastic Diurnal Revised and the Anglican Breviary and sometimes fancy getting through the entire office from one of those for a day. But the discipline I can actually keep is the BCP with our parish's enhancements (the Angelus at the end as well).
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I use CCP with the CW lectionary. Or I use CW morning prayer from the Oremus website. What I'd really like is to be able to download the weeks morning office on to my MP3 player and listen to it while I travel to work. Anyone know if that's available? The Cof E ought to get it organised from the website, but "like a mighty tortoise moves the Church of God"....
Help anyone?
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Now for those who ain't be around for long enough I will shock people.
I have used at some stage regulary i.e. not just for a holiday:
Baillie, J A Diary of Private Prayer
Newell, J.P.,Each Day and Each Night
The Northumbria Community Office (fell to pieces)
Susan Sayers A lifetime of Moments
Society of Saint Francis Celebrating Common Prayer both full and pocket
The Iona community worship book about two incarnations ago (not recommended)
At present I am uncertain what my pattern will be, but have been following a form I prepared myself.
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From choice, I tend to use the 1662 Prayer Book offices modified by some of the 'additions and deviatons' contained un the Prayer Book as proposed in 1928. It's what I'm comfortable with and always seem to end up going back to. Occasionally, for the sake of variety, I use the Roman Catholic Morning and Evening Prayer which is very good because everthing you need is available in one slim black volume! For much the same reason I have occasionally used parts of the 'Hours of Prayer' - a traditional Anglican translation of the Sarum Offices. My local priest in charge and the team rector in a local market town both like CCP but I don't get on with it too well. For me it has all the disadvantages of the Roman Office and none of the advantages.
Dumb Acolyte wrote:
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Amazing Grace, is this really true?! Every couple of years or so I torture myself looking for a single volume that contains all four readings, two for MP and two for EP, for either the full year or a portion of it. Every couple of years, frustrated, I wonder if I am the only person who would buy such a book.
There have been various half hearted attempts at it, often by way of private enterprise rather than synodically authorised provision, but I don't think the Anglican church on either side of the Atlantic has really cracked producing a user friendly office book which contains everything a person might need (ie no juggling with separate Bibles and lectionaries) but which can be easily carried around and used say on a bus or train.
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The Bede's American Successor
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Amazing Grace claims:
I recently obtained a set of the Daily Office books for ECUSA. These contain the offices, the psalter (natch), and all the Scripture readings for the day. I'm pretty excited about this, as even the prospect of flipping around in my Bible for OT/Psalm/Epistle/Gospel has put me off full MP/EP.
Amazing Grace, is this really true?! Every couple of years or so I torture myself looking for a single volume that contains all four readings, two for MP and two for EP, for either the full year or a portion of it. Every couple of years, frustrated, I wonder if I am the only person who would buy such a book.
Is there now such a thing? Is it suitable for travel?
I would settle for a light-weight pocket-size combination 1979 BCP & Bible with Aprocrypha.
Oh, by the way, what are the CLB books?
There are options out there.
Daily Office Book (2 volume version) with readings. Check the Psalter in Volume (year) 1 if you get it. My first set had a problem there, also.
If you only want Rite II.
Complete US BCP bound with complete NRSV.
(And, no, John—the owner—did not pay me to post those links.)
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John Baillie Diary of Private Prayer at the moment, as part of a homemade liturgy that includes silence, extempore prayer, scripture, intercessions, various non-verbal elements, and a poem. Very important for me, the poem. It's the carrot that makes me do the rest. Currently using Edward Thomas.
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The Silent Acolyte
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Dear Bede's American Successor, thanks very much for the links. I'm much obliged. Lamentably, they seem to be what I come up with in my periodic search. The defects are:
Option 1: Daily Office Book (2 volumes) with readings
To do two lessons at MP and two lessons at EP one has to drag around both volumes. Too big and why bother in the light of Option 3.
Option 2: If you only want Rite II
I haven't reconciled myself to Rite II, so it's the wrong language. I've forced myself to adapt to the 1979 Psalter, because the earlier versions' language is too archaic. But, reading some of the canticles in Rite II language just makes me giggle.
Option 3: Complete US BCP bound with complete NRSV
This option is too large for travel, around the city or for longer trips. But, it is similar to the option I current use: A clothbound 4x6 inch BCP and a similarly-sized leatherette Anglicised NRSV with Apocrypha. It meets all the criteria except for weight. Perhaps I could shave off a couple of grams by buying an expensive NRSV printed on India paper.
Adrian1, there are single volume choices using books printed in the UK (e.g. The English Office, waaay out of print). They have the advantage of being small and lightweight. Also, that lectionary plows through the entire Bible in one year, without leaving out any of the genealogies and hard bits. The disadvantage is that the Daily Office is common prayer, even if we do it by ourselves, so reading from a lectionary different from that of my fellows seems wrong. Can you give any pointers to find these 'private' efforts, besides the reprinted Anglican Breviary?
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Originally posted by The Dumb Acolyte:
Option 3: Complete US BCP bound with complete NRSV
This option is too large for travel, around the city or for longer trips. But, it is similar to the option I current use: A clothbound 4x6 inch BCP and a similarly-sized leatherette Anglicised NRSV with Apocrypha. It meets all the criteria except for weight. Perhaps I could shave off a couple of grams by buying an expensive NRSV printed on India paper.
I have a much-beloved copy of an early BCP79/NRSV combo that was published by Oxford with soft genuine leather in the same height and width as the "cute" 2-volume Daily Office Book. Imagine both of those volumes bound together...a fat but small brick. Handy, durable, comprehensive. Small type for some, especially in the Bible. I've written to OUP to beg them to print more, but they haven't. Why won't they obey me? And why do items that are so excellent go out of print? Same question applies to the Howard Galley Prayer Book Office.
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For those not familiar with the Daily Office Lectionary in the US BCP...
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Originally posted by The Dumb Acolyte:
Dear Bede's American Successor, thanks very much for the links. I'm much obliged. Lamentably, they seem to be what I come up with in my periodic search. The defects are:
Option 1: Daily Office Book (2 volumes) with readings
To do two lessons at MP and two lessons at EP one has to drag around both volumes. Too big and why bother in the light of Option 3.
The lectionary provides three lessons for any given day (plus Psalms). If you want two lessons in the morning and in the evening, the directions call for taking a lesson for the same day from the opposite year.
Dedicated, The Dumb Acolyte is.
I confess that lately I find myself simply reading three lessons in the morning while on the train from Everett to Seattle. (I read the Gospel lesson between the second canticle and Creed.) There is something about being there, quiet, and knowing that I will be more than distracted after a day of work when riding home.
When returning, the natives are much more chatty and friendly with each other—myself included. Also, the views of the sun setting over the Olympic Mountains across Puget Sound have been more than spectacular this week (OK, someone read Psalm 19 for me in the background while I gawk). With the view over the Sound, I can't even think of reading Daily Evening Prayer until after the Edmonds stop.
Carrying Year 1 of the Daily Office Book with me has removed my excuse about saying the offices being too big a bother for the lessons.
Also, I too appreciate the idea of the lectionary being a part of "common" prayer with other people (even if I do three lessons at one sitting). As the voice of praise not being silent around the world, I know that others using the US BCP with me are joined together in common praise and meditation.
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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:
Same question applies to the Howard Galley Prayer Book Office.
Check with the same bookstore in the links I gave. I thought I had seen a few of these there recently. No promises, though.
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I must admit that I haven't gotten to the point yet of actually reading through MP and/or EP.
The main impetus behind my getting the book was to get some daily Bible into my system. So at the moment I am merely reading the three daily readings at some point during the day (I flip back in the Psalter if I am feeling energetic) and continuing to read Compline in my BCP, which I don't need the lectionary for. Although it would be easy for me to take the DO book instead of my BCP for travel as they are close to the same size and it has Compline in it.
Some day I might work up to MP - canticles and all - but for now I'm just trying to instill a new Scripture reading habit. I still have a tic about opening up my actual Bibles thanks to my time among the fundies, so this is really going to help me finally Get. Over. It.
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Originally posted by The Dumb Acolyte:
Rosseweise, I know I'm a whiner and not easily satisfied, but these CLB books had only three of the four lessons necessary to read both Morning Prayer and Evening Prayer. Has this changed, along with the price increase to 116 dollars. [They were 95 clams last time I checked.]
Those are all the lessons of which I'm aware.
Their prices do seem to rise mysteriously, though, I will grant you.
Rossweisse // sorry I can't be of more help!
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Originally posted by The Bede's American Successor:
To do two lessons at MP and two lessons at EP one has to drag around both volumes. Too big and why bother in the light of Option 3.
The lectionary provides three lessons for any given day (plus Psalms). If you want two lessons in the morning and in the evening, the directions call for taking a lesson for the same day from the opposite year.
You're supposed to take Howard Galley's advice and read just one lesson at Evening Prayer, followed by Magnificat, and save Nunc dimittis for Compline. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:
You're supposed to take Howard Galley's advice and read just one lesson at Evening Prayer, followed by Magnificat, and save Nunc dimittis for Compline.
Howard Galley is also responsible for Eucharistic Prayer C in Rite II. While I don't dislike it as much as others do around here (and, if sung all the way through, I actually like it), I still think that Prayer C is enough to prove Galley is not infallible. From the primal elements...
All Galley did was acknowledge the origin of Daily Evening Prayer in the BCP. That is, it was a combination of Vespers (Magnificat) and Compline (Nunc). I would suggest that those who wish to follow Galley's advice take a look at the Order of Evening Worship in the US BCP, following the rubrics to expand it to a full office.
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Dumb Acolyte. I've heard of the 'English Office Book' and would love to own a copy but I gather it's as rare as hen's teeth. However I do have a copy of the proposed 1928 Prayer Book with the lessons for Mattins and Evensong (1922 lectionary) bound in with it. It's not the sort of book you can carry around easily though - it's too bulky to be considered really portable. The examples of private enterprise I had in mind were the Sarum 'Hours of Prayer', the Priests book of Private Devotion and its offspring 'Prime and Hours' as well as the 'Monastic Diurnal.' CCP also really comes under the umbrella of private enterprise as it's not synodically authorised.
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A few pictures of my office book:
Front Cover
Title Page (a little blurred)
and again
The Psalter
David anointed
The office of Prime
I have a love for all things Sarum, and so being able to use this translation works very well for me. The volume itself dates from 1852 and holding it alone reminds me of the eternal conversation that is the Divine Office.
V/ O Lord, open + thou our lips
B/ and our mouth shall shew forth thy praise.
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I saw a copy of this advertised on abe books, but by the time I ordered it, it had already been sold. It was only when I mentioned this on the ship some months later, that a kind shipmate PMd me and linked me to a copy on auction on ebay. I was outbid at the last minuite and was gutted that I had missed it second time round.
However, withint two hours, I received an e-mail from the seller, letting me know that he, in fact, had a second copy, which is the one you see photographed.
I am so pleased with it and, at first, I had it wrapped in tissue paper and kept it put safely away, but a friend pointed out that Joseph Masters put a lot of effort into the translation and into making it the beautiful thing that it is, to aid people's prayer, and that there was no point treating it as a museum piece, and so I made the decision to use it for the purpose for which it was intended (it is only marginally more difficult to navigate then 'The Anglican Breviary, which I used previously), and if it falls apart in twenty years' time as a result, then so be it - I will have no regrets.
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Back-to-Front. It looks like a truly magnificent book and I wouldn't mind acquiring one for my liturgical library. I'll have to keep my eyes peeled!
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It really is, Adrian.
The person who outbid me actually got in touch with me, explaining that he needed it for public use. He is a Russian Orthodox priest of the Western Rite, living and working in Australia. His community uses the Sarum Rite for the Mass (and I believe that the do call it 'Mass') and now the Offices as well. The Patriarch has blessed the Sarum Use for use in Russian Orthodoxy (with a few amendments). I am so glad that it is still alive and well in the Church, and is not a 'dead' rite, as some Romanisers in the CofE would have us believe.
I also have a copy of the Sarum Missal in two volumes, but it is a print-to-order copy of the 1912/1913 reprint of the 1865 book - so some wonderful texts, and a wealth of information about where a significant portion of the Prayer Book comes from, but nothing particularly glorious to behold.
I think I'll still keep the Anglican Breviary though, as it's more compact for travel.
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Amazing Grace, I believe this is one place where those who whine about the lectionary have got it exactly right. While the lectionaries may be sensitive to put right themes, authorship, and errors in redaction, one follows the two-year '79 BCP and never gets Numbers chapter one or Nehemiah chapter three. I'll grant that hearing that Shelumiel was the son of Zerushaddai or that Shallum repaired the Fountain Gate doesn't bolster the modern idea of worship. But, this smoothing down the rough edges of a Daily Office lectionary demonstrates a failure to understand what sort of person is actually grinding through it day by day--we can manage. The occasional reader of morning prayer would do well to leave the church wondering 'what was that all about?' or pausing to consider that Ono is more than Yoko's surname.
Adrian1, I first started looking for The English Office several years ago, I saw it once on offer, but not knowing how rare it was, I failed to bid. I would pay handsomely for it. I sometimes wonder that, with the interest the reprinted Anglican Breviary generated, whether a reprinted English Office might not do at least as well. Thanks for the examples of private enterprise. I can just barely hold to the discipline of Morning and Evening Prayer; extending the number of Hours beyond two (to, say, three, as Bede and Galley urge) is really too much for me.
Back-to-Front, that is a beautiful book. Use it in good health. Just remember the lesson your Mother taught you: wash your hands first, turn the pages gently, one at a time, and turn a page only with your dominant hand by the upper corners. It should outlast you.
OBTW, BtF, which Patriarch?
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Originally posted by Back-to-Front:
He is a Russian Orthodox priest of the Western Rite, living and working in Australia.
I'll have to try and visit that parish! The only Western Rite parish I knew of previously was St Cuthbert's (under the Antiochian Patriarchate). They use a modified liturgy of the 1549 BCP [Rite of St Tikhon].
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Originally posted by The Dumb Acolyte:
OBTW, BtF, which Patriarch?
Many thanks for the sound advice and kind words.
I don't know which Patriarch. He did tell me but this was some months ago, and we are no longer in contact. I shall try to find the website that he linked me to so that you can see and that Ian can get an idea of where the parish is.
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As promised.
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Thanks Back-to-Front: it looks like I need to plan a trip to Tasmania!
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Back-to-Front, thanks. I'm surprised to find the ROCOR folk countenance the Western Rite. I've only stumbled across Antiochian Western Rite congregations in the States.
It does seem pressing things a bit far, however, to caption the picture of their lovely chapel as "A traditional Western Rite Orthodox church".
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* Daily Offices fom the Church of England Website.
* At my computer, at home.
*First thing in the morning and last thing at night.
* Because it's easy to access and I'm already sitting here. I only have to move my hands.
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