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Originally posted by Alaric the Goth:
Given that we are all Atheist Socialists or Marxist Atheists on here, and hadn’t realised ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif) , perhaps we need a name change amnesty to reflect this. The following suggestions may (not) be taken up:
- Marxin the Marxist Marxthief
- Atheiab chastmarxist
- Marx Black Sioni Socialist
- Marxseger kenmarx
Allmarxist the Goth
I very much look forward to my first post as Infinite_Marxist.
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In 200 years' time, female clergymen and anal sex amongst men may be accepted by the shell of the organisation called the CofE today. The triumph of Satan would then be total.
Can I please use this as my sig? It's the absolute best fruitcake myopia I've come across in years.
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Methinks Angela has been reading Frederick Baron Corvo [Fr Rolfe]'s Hadrian the VII - but probably missing out the longer words as he lacks both the wit and the erudition of that fairly appalling author.
As I got up to pee in the night I was also wondering whether he [Angela] was a sounding gong or a tinkling cymbal but decided he is really more like a pixie farting under a toadstool.
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What part of Matt. 7:1 don't you understand?
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Originally posted by Zappa:
Sir Wiff, or is it Waff?, I believe it is a grotesqueness and a sin and may even make the Baby Jesus cry to have been thinking of Angela whilst twinkling in the darkness.
Better to twinkle in the darkness than curse the troll.
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Anglican2009
Does it bother you that you're complaining about multiculturalism while being a multicultural person yourself?
Does it bother you that, having attempted to wind other people up, you're getting uptight?
Does it bother you that your reliance on truthiness rather than evidence has been exposed?
Does it bother you that your OP was a complaint about us using religion to justify extremist politics, and yet you're trying to do the same thing (unless you're a group of students having a laugh)? Accusing others of the thing that you're doing yourself is straight from the BNP/CCB playbook, isn't it?
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Anglican2009
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1Tim1 refers to "menstealers". This must mean people who steal other men's slaves, and by extension those who oppose slavery as a system. As the 10 commandments say: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's.
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Intriguingly modern versions have "slave traders" (NIV) or "enslavers" there. I think it probably refers to piratical practice of kidnapping people and selling them as slaves.
Jengie
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Welease Woderwick
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One of my neighbours has a really cute ass, can I get away with just admiring it?
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What part of Matt. 7:1 don't you understand?
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Originally posted by Anglican2009:
1Tim1 refers to "menstealers". This must mean people who steal other men's slaves
"Must"? "Must"? That's a very strong word to use to describe an interpretation of a verse that's so far off the wall that even the most looniest of loonies would have difficulty even contemplating that as a valid interpretation. Afterall, the author of Timothy could have chosen a number of other words to describe people who take the property of others ... "thief" would be the obvious one!
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and by extension those who oppose slavery as a system.
Even if the totally idiot interpretation you presented could be justified, the extension doesn't necessarily follow. Any more than you can say that if someone nicks your car they're obviously in opposition to the system of private ownership or campaigning for better public transport.
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Originally posted by Anglican2009:
1Tim1 refers to "menstealers". This must mean people who steal other men's slaves, and by extension those who oppose slavery as a system.
Why "must" that be the interpretation?
Oh right, because you want it to be. Because that interpretation allows you to pursue your hate-filled racist agenda.
You're scum, you know that? And why haven't you obeyed your master?
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Hawk
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Intriguingly modern versions have "slave traders" (NIV) or "enslavers" there. I think it probably refers to piratical practice of kidnapping people and selling them as slaves.
Don't be silly - why would you think Angie would listen to a modern translation, (or the original text - 'cos it's in forin' and so obviously it's inferior)? Didn't you know that anything other than the garbled KJV is a work of satan?
In that vein, did the KJV just make up the word "menstealers" or was it in use at the time? Can we know what the translator was actually talking about?
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I looked up 1 Timothy 1:10 in multiple translations at Bible Gateway.
The word is translated as 'slave traders', 'enslavers', 'menstealers', and 'kidnappers'.
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Methinks the OP-er is now taking the piss. That's not a serious exegesis, even for a really really really right-wing looney.
Maybe our work here is done.
Or maybe they just got over their gout.
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Drooling Drummer
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I have been reading the inane crusading ramblings of AngriTroll Beta v2.009 with great delight and watching with amazement the systematic demolition of the vague arguments laced with "truthiness" (Thanks Alwyn), and for some time now have been content to watch other people poke holes in the wet paper bag holding his/her arguments. However, the time has come for me to weigh in on the slavery issue.
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1Tim1 refers to "menstealers". This must mean people who steal other men's slaves, and by extension those who oppose slavery as a system. As the 10 commandments say: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's.
Well...no. This MUST not be anything of the sort. How do you make the link between "menstealers" and opposing slavery? Wouldn't that mean that "menstealers" would be freeing the slaves rather than kidnapping them to be sold as slaves to another person? Because that doesn't make sense if they opposed the very institution they endeavour to make a quick profit from.
Menstealing is clearly defined as quote:
'slave traders', 'enslavers', 'menstealers', and 'kidnappers'.
(Thanks Moo)
So you see, your argument is proved baseless by your own words ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
"Slaves" are owned. "Servants" (manservants or maidservants) are hired/employed. So the Commandment you are quoting doesn't apply to "slavery", but "servants". The operative word is "stealing" which is not "coveting". The stealing is dealt with in another Commandment. Look it up.
Oh, and just a teensy little hint...If you are going to "interpret" scripture (which you have obviously done), at least refer to it as your interpretation, or what you believe the scripture means, rather than purporting it as fact. Because that just makes you appear loony.
Feel free to accept that your arguments have been obliterated by all and sundry, with far more finesse and factual reasoning than you possess. Or not.
It's fair to say we know which way you will go....
Oh by the way, can you please enlighten me on my spiritual journey? I post on the Ship, so I must be a part of the great unwashed Faux Christians who infest this site, and therefore in dire need of Salvation*
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Originally posted by Hawk:
Didn't you know that anything other than the garbled KJV is a work of satan?
Absolutely! Everybody knows that the KJV is the bible that Jesus used.
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Originally posted by Anglican2009:
Infinite Monkey you may use my deep thoughts in your signature.
That line does remind me very much of the posting style of someone who is already on board...
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Originally posted by davelarge:
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Originally posted by Hawk:
Didn't you know that anything other than the garbled KJV is a work of satan?
Absolutely! Everybody knows that the KJV is the bible that Jesus used.
Wrong, heathen! The KJV fell out of Jesus' pocket as He ascended. He'd very helpfully written out His words in red, too.
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Originally posted by Spiffy:
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Originally posted by davelarge:
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Originally posted by Hawk:
Didn't you know that anything other than the garbled KJV is a work of satan?
Absolutely! Everybody knows that the KJV is the bible that Jesus used.
Wrong, heathen! The KJV fell out of Jesus' pocket as He ascended. He'd very helpfully written out His words in red, too.
As Saint Adrian of Plass so truthfully put it:
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KJV: form in which the Bible was originally written in seventeenth century English. Later translated into Hebrew and Greek for some obscure reason, and then translated back again into those ridiculous modern English versions.
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Originally posted by Anglican2009:
You are people who have no strong doctrinal beliefs - certainly not in anything written in the Bible - but you simply believe in "being nice people"...
Well you obviously don't.
I am not nice to racists and homophobes: in fact I make a point of it. So we agree on something.
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I have proved my point to the satisfaction of people of good faith.
Who? Where? How many people do you know who fit that description? And how did they show their satisfaction?
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I may log on de temps en temps...
And that's yer actual French!
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Originally posted by §Andrew:
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Originally posted by Spiffy:
Same inflexible fundamentalisim, just dressed up in a shiny new atheist outfit.
I'm not an atheist. But don't let what I say stop you. If you were to actually engage with what I'm saying, then things might get uncomfortable for you. Do carry on.
Squiggle, I wouldn't engage with you if you were the last man on earth and presented me with the Hope Diamond on a ring. You're not my type. I might be able to forgive my partner for being male, but I will never, no never, marry someone who claims they can read my mind and tell how firm my beliefs are.
Unlike yourself, other people having differeing opinions doesn't make me uncomfortable. The only thing that really makes me uncomfortable are high heeled shoes and too-tight underwear.
Oh, wait, is that the kind of 'engagement' you want? Because in English, that's actually called a 'scene'. It's not my kink, but I can get you some web links, if your Google-fu has failed.
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Originally posted by davelarge:
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Originally posted by Hawk:
Didn't you know that anything other than the garbled KJV is a work of satan?
Absolutely! Everybody knows that the KJV is the bible that Jesus used.
Can I make a basic point? Jesus was not an Englishman. He may have spoken in foreign, but our own church has spoken to we Anglo Saxons in our own Nordic tongue and the KJV is the greatest gift the CofE has made to the English nation.
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Dear beloved brethren,
I have posted here to explain a few things to you in the hope the Holy Ghost would move you to repentance. The message is simple - the Christian religion should teach today the same things that were taught hundreds of years ago in this country. Why should things be updated?
The catechism of the BCP - I nearly wrote BNP by accident!! - plainly states the Christian religion. Anything beyond that is wrong. Please read and take it to the Lord in prayer.
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He may have spoken in foreign, but our own church has spoken to we Anglo Saxons in our own Nordic tongue and the KJV is the greatest gift the CofE has made to the English nation.
There's something quite odd about the grammar and punctuation of this sentence. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Originally posted by Anglican2009:
The message is simple - the Christian religion should teach today the same things that were taught hundreds of years ago in this country. Why should things be updated?
Because for hundreds of years the Christian religion has been teaching falsehoods that did damage to the people upon which they were imposed?
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Dearly beloved brethren,
I have posted here to point out some things to you all and urge you to repentance. The CoE should teach the same things it has always taught. Some of you, at the urging of the Devil, have mocked me for being Anglican1009, but what difference should there be between the teaching of Ecclesia Anglicana in AD 1009 and today? None at all, I should hope.
Please study the catechism of the BCP prayerfully and everything will become clear. Put away the Phariseeism general on this site and approach the Lord in sincere prayer.
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Originally posted by Anglican2009:
what difference should there be between the teaching of Ecclesia Anglicana in AD 1009 and today? None at all, I should hope.
Please study the catechism of the BCP prayerfully and everything will become clear.
The very first BCP was published in 1549, after a fairly major bit of theological revision called the Reformation.
So I guess the only question is, if you're so keen on keeping things the same from way way back to now, why are you idolising such a modern heretical upstart of a book?
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I don't think much of this troll. it's too stupid to be interesting and it lacks any other qualities that might make it amusing. ![[Snore]](graemlins/snore.gif)
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Originally posted by Nicolemrw:
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He may have spoken in foreign, but our own church has spoken to we Anglo Saxons in our own Nordic tongue and the KJV is the greatest gift the CofE has made to the English nation.
There's something quite odd about the grammar and punctuation of this sentence.
It's that Nordic tongue of his, makes things terribly confusing...
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But aren't you thrilled that we have gone from "Ship-of-Twits" to "beloved brethren"? It's just so beautiful when repentance happens.
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Originally posted by Anglican2009:
Some of you, at the urging of the Devil, have mocked me for being Anglican1009
Damn. I thought I had gotten most of the-devil-is-behind-everyone-who-disagrees-with-me types out of the Anglican communion.
So, Anglican2009, what would the church have to do to convince you to leave? I'm sure someone's got some raisin cakes stashed somewhere.
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Originally posted by Nicolemrw:
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He may have spoken in foreign, but our own church has spoken to we Anglo Saxons in our own Nordic tongue and the KJV is the greatest gift the CofE has made to the English nation.
There's something quite odd about the grammar and punctuation of this sentence.
I fear it is not altogether spoken in a language understanded of the people.
Sorry Anglican-anus: petards are so unpleasant.
Goodbye and thanks for the memories. I'm sure the BNP - oops I meant to type BCP - will enjoy your full attention once again. Look out for pieces of twisted metal on your journeys.
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Originally posted by Anglican2009:
Our own church has spoken to we Anglo Saxons in our own Nordic tongue and the KJV is the greatest gift the CofE has made to the English nation.
Nordic tongue? If you're reading a Scandinavian translation that might be the problem. Hint: Find a Bible written in English - you might find it helps your comprehension.
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Originally posted by Anglican2009:
Please study the catechism of the BCP prayerfully and everything will become clear.
I've had a look but I can't find anything there about enslaving people or persecuting Muslims. I've probably just missed it - perhaps it's only in the Nordic version. Could you help and point it out for me please?
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On that thing about the King James version being the CofE's greatest gift to English, wasn't it commissioned by King James (obviously)? Who was a teensy weensy little bit catholic, no? (and also a homosexual, which I would have thought wouldn't endear him over much to trollie)
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Originally posted by Anglican2009:
Can I make a basic point? Jesus was not an Englishman. He may have spoken in foreign, but our own church has spoken to we Anglo Saxons in our own Nordic tongue and the KJV is the greatest gift the CofE has made to the English nation.
Hang on. It's been a while since I did linguistics, but isn't Anglo-Saxon a Germanic language, and not Nordic?
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Hang on. It's been a while since I did linguistics, but isn't Anglo-Saxon a Germanic language, and not Nordic?
Anglican2009, I hate you. You made me go and look things up and I dropped one of my dictionaries on my foot.
Anglo-Saxon and Nordic are both Germanic languages/language groups (because the Nordic group contains Icelandic, Faroese, Norn, Norwegian, Danish, Swedish and Elfdalian*) but Nordic is North Germanic and Anglo-Saxon is West Germanic and closely related to Old Frisian.
So they're related but not the same.
*brilliant. I want to learn it.
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Originally posted by Anglican2009:
He may have spoken in foreign, but our own church has spoken to we Anglo Saxons in our own Nordic tongue
To quote the Lone Ranger's sidekick, Tonto, "Whaddya mean 'we', white boy?"
And on a similar note, today the Episcopal Church celebrates the life and witness of the Blessed Alexander Crummell, priest, missionary, educator.
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Am I the only one who thinks this guy is kind of funny? He's clearly got some model in mind that he is parodying.
My theory is that he's Simon and that this is some really elaborate set up. Has anyone ever seen Simon and Anglican2009 photographed together?
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Originally posted by Anglican2009:
Can I make a basic point? Jesus was not an Englishman. He may have spoken in foreign,...
may have? I didn't realize there was any doubt about that. quote:
... but our own church has spoken to we Anglo Saxons in our own Nordic tongue and the KJV is the greatest gift the CofE has made to the English nation.
Anglo Saxon is a West Germanic language. The Nordic languages are North Germanic.
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Originally posted by Hawk:
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Originally posted by Anglican2009:
Please study the catechism of the BCP prayerfully and everything will become clear.
I've had a look but I can't find anything there about enslaving people or persecuting Muslims. I've probably just missed it - perhaps it's only in the Nordic version. Could you help and point it out for me please?
You've been looking for the wrong thing. Who said we have to enslave people and persecute people? All I said is that the Bible urges Christians to accept social inequality and show Christian love to mollify any unequal arrangements. The Bible doesn't positively urge maximum inequality. But it does not counsel revolution either. You will always have the poor with you. No, we shouldn't persecute Muslims. But you are leaping directly from my support for a new immigration policy, preventing Muslims from immigrating to Britain, to claims that this amounts to persecution. We must keep our own culture, and that includes keeping England Christian, and specifically Anglican, and this is not persecution at all.
God confused the tongues at Babel. Who are you to try to reverse the dispersion of the nations instituted then?
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The catechism is still the official doctrine of the CofE and can be consulted at http://www.eskimo.com/~lhowell/bcp1662/baptism/catchism.html
The most important part is:
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WHAT dost thou chiefly learn by these Commandments?
Answer. I learn two things: my duty towards God, and my duty towards my Neighbour.
Question. What is thy duty towards God?
Answer. My duty towards God, is to believe in him, to fear him, and to love him with all my heart, with all my mind, with all my soul, and with all my strength; to worship him, to give him thanks, to put my whole trust in him, to call upon him, to honour his holy Name and his Word, and to serve him truly all the days of my life.
Question. What is thy duty towards thy Neighbour?
Answer. My duty towards my Neighbour, is to love him as myself, and to do to all men, as I would they should do unto me: To love, honour, and succour my father and mother: To honour and obey the Queen, and all that are put in authority under her: To submit myself to all my governors, teachers, spiritual pastors and masters: To order myself lowly and reverently to all my betters: To hurt no body by word nor deed: To be true and just in all my dealing: To bear no malice nor hatred in my heart: To keep my hands from picking and stealing, and my tongue from evilspeaking, lying, and slandering: To keep my body in temperance, soberness, and chastity: Not to covet nor desire other men's goods; but to learn and labour truly to get mine own living, and to do my duty in that state of life, unto which it shall please God to call me.
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On that thing about the King James version being the CofE's greatest gift to English, wasn't it commissioned by King James (obviously)? Who was a teensy weensy little bit catholic, no? (and also a homosexual, which I would have thought wouldn't endear him over much to trollie)
And Scottish, if I remember correctly.
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I thought King James wrote the Bible on his journey south from Scotland - my illusions are shattered!
Anyway, so much for this de temps en temps idea, it seems that the nutters are always with us. When do you think the CPN* will be round to give him his medication?
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WHAT dost thou chiefly learn by these Commandments?
Well, Commandment 8 is touchy on the subject of Crusaders, particularly Crusader Trolls. That's why you're banned now.
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Please study the catechism of the BCP prayerfully and everything will become clear.
I've had a look but I can't find anything there about enslaving people or persecuting Muslims. I've probably just missed it - perhaps it's only in the Nordic version. Could you help and point it out for me please?
You've been looking for the wrong thing. Who said we have to enslave people and persecute people? All I said is that the Bible urges Christians to accept social inequality and show Christian love to mollify any unequal arrangements. The Bible doesn't positively urge maximum inequality. But it does not counsel revolution either. You will always have the poor with you. No, we shouldn't persecute Muslims. But you are leaping directly from my support for a new immigration policy, preventing Muslims from immigrating to Britain, to claims that this amounts to persecution. We must keep our own culture, and that includes keeping England Christian, and specifically Anglican, and this is not persecution at all.
God confused the tongues at Babel. Who are you to try to reverse the dispersion of the nations instituted then?
If Christianity is all about accepting the status quo and endorsing inequality and injustice, why did Jesus get crucified? If Our Lord simply said "Yeah, Rome is ok" why would the Romans execute him?
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um... AB? he's unlikely to answer.
Move along, dorkfaces, nothing to see here.
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