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mousethief
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Originally posted by Callan:
God may have spoken through Balaam's Ass, but I like to think he has some standards.
I really am not at all sure what your point is here. What are you not convinced of?
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Final my arse. If she gets elected they'll find a way to resurrect it.
Since they're still discussing the "murder" of Vince Foster nearly a quarter of a century later, that seems like a safe bet.
Regardless of the circumstances of Foster's death, Hillary is a lying shit-bag corporate shill war-hawk no more deserving or qualified to be President than Trump, and on many points less so.
Anyone who would vote for her is brain-dead, and a threat to the rest of us as such.
Where there is smoke there is fire, and that woman has been smoking like a Rastafarian wedding ceremony for decades.
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Barnabas62
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Many points less worthy than Trump? Give 5.
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I have long known the man was a compulsive liar and shockingly irresponsible, but his recent trade speech is shocking even by his warped standards.
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The biggest problem with Trump’s speech, according to trade policy experts, is that he doesn’t actually appear to know what he’s talking about.
So Leader Trump is against the TPP...but even an economist who is also against the TPP does a point-by-point take-down of just how uninformed Trump is about the deal.
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romanlion
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Many points less worthy than Trump? Give 5.
-She has never created a job or had to make a payroll
-She has never built anything or had to make a budget doing so
-She has never dealt with government except when cashing their checks
-She maintained a marriage to a philandering sexual predator purely for pursuit of her own power and wealth and actively participated in the destruction of the reputations of her Husband's victims
-She perpetuated what she knew to be a lie to the families of Americans killed under her watch for the political convenience of a man whom she can't stand because it advanced her own agenda
Want 5 more?
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Callan:
God may have spoken through Balaam's Ass, but I like to think he has some standards.
Balaam's ass probably thought the same about humans.
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Og: Thread Killer
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Many points less worthy than Trump? Give 5.
-She has never created a job or had to make a payroll
-She has never built anything or had to make a budget doing so
-She has never dealt with government except when cashing their checks
Ur assumption Trump is different is more flawed then you think.
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simontoad
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Romanlion keep going. This thread is boringly pro-Hill. Give us some meat to chew though. Considered argument mate, not one-liners that we can knock down with a breath.
EVERYONE: Be nice to the fox for the moment. The chase is afoot! TOOT BARK BARK TOOT
John from Canada, loved your post. Just got a memory with holes and am too lazy to scroll back for your full name now that Romanlion is wagging his little white tail again.
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romanlion
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
Ur assumption Trump is different is more flawed then you think.
Where did u read such an assumption in my post?
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Originally posted by simontoad:
Romanlion keep going. This thread is boringly pro-Hill. Give us some meat to chew though. Considered argument mate, not one-liners that we can knock down with a breath.
EVERYONE: Be nice to the fox for the moment. The chase is afoot! TOOT BARK BARK TOOT
John from Canada, loved your post. Just got a memory with holes and am too lazy to scroll back for your full name now that Romanlion is wagging his little white tail again.
Dude! Chill!
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Crœsos
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Regardless of the circumstances of Foster's death, Hillary is a lying shit-bag corporate shill war-hawk no more deserving or qualified to be President than Trump, and on many points less so.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
Ur assumption Trump is different is more flawed then you think.
Where did u read such an assumption in my post?
If you can't be bothered to pay attention to what you're writing, why should anyone else?
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She has never created a job or had to make a payroll
How are you defining "created a job?" And how is "creating a job" really a criteria for political office (and how many politicians have ever "created jobs"?)
-She has never built anything or had to make a budget doing so
Build something? really? You think building something qualifies one to be president? Budget, yes, but I am quite sure she HAS had to create many different budgets of various sorts, in each of her many roles. I'm also sure Trump has not personally "built" anything. He has managed managers of construction projects.. but why a construction project would be more valuable than any other type of project is beyond me (unless, of course, construction is the goal).
-She has never dealt with government except when cashing their checks
Huh? of course she did. she was IN the government, and has had to deal with the government on many levels in many jobs. I really don't understand this one. what do you mean by "deal with the government"? do you mean in terms of having to go through a bureaucratic process? As a Federal employee I assure you that we deal with aspects of the Federal beurocracy that most people have no idea even exists!
Any time you deal with funding, with contracting, interacting with other Agencies, you encounter a beurocratic process which boggles the mind. daily. hourly. very few of us here in DC can avoid it in our jobs. I can assure you that as head of an Agency she had to deal with beurocracy hereslf (as well as managing the State Department's own beurocracy).
-She maintained a marriage to a philandering sexual predator purely for pursuit of her own power and wealth and actively participated in the destruction of the reputations of her Husband's victims
So maintaining a marriage "for better or for WORSE is somehow a bad thing, but trading wives every few years for a younger model is great? what the hell. you seriously criticize her for THAT? I don't know of any evidence of her actively working to ruin the reputations of her husband's "victims" (not sure they would consider themselves such), but if she did, not sure I could blame her as long as it was not illegal.
-She perpetuated what she knew to be a lie to the families of Americans killed under her watch for the political convenience of a man whom she can't stand because it advanced her own agenda
What are you talking about? Benghazi? Because, um.. yet ANOTHER investigation into that has shown no wrongdoing on her part. and they certainly tried.
Look, one can criticize her for her for policies with which you disagree (in my case, her hawkishness). But I can't see how any can, with a straight face, accuse her of not being qualified. she is without doubt the MOST qualified candidate in some time.
She is a liberal. if you are a conservative, I can see why you wouldn't like her positions on many issues. But that's not what I'm seeing here.
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And to vote in conscience for Trump you need to make a good case that he is =better= than Hillary in these areas. He has to be =way= better to counterbalance his obvious out-of-his-own-nouth flaws.
I would argue that (a) Trump is not a successful businessman but a grifter. Until we see his tax returns there is no proof that he has ever made a profit in any long-term way.
More deeply, (b) being as uccessful businessman has nothing to do with running a government well, any more than being a ballerina is. The goal of a business is to make a profit, for you or for te shareholders. The goal of government is to run the country well.
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lilBuddha
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We know Trump is not a great business man.
Daddy loaned him a million.
Daddy built a network of connections which he used.
Daddy bought him out of trouble at least once.
Daddy Left him millions more.
And still he bankrupted companies.
And still he had to shift his personal debt into is companies in order to avoid personal ruin.
After all that, he would be worth much more if he'd simply taken what daddy gave him and invested it in an indexed fund.
So, he is not a great business man.
But business is not an analogue for government. Only the ignorant can conclude it is.
Trump has only demonstrated one ability which is common in politics: the ability to use fear as self-promotion.
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Originally posted by Anyuta:
-She perpetuated what she knew to be a lie to the families of Americans killed under her watch for the political convenience of a man whom she can't stand because it advanced her own agenda
What are you talking about? Benghazi? Because, um.. yet ANOTHER investigation into that has shown no wrongdoing on her part. and they certainly tried.
One of the interesting things about most Clinton conspiracy theories is that they make no sense even on their own terms and are mostly crafted to illustrate that the Clintons (either separately or together) are just evil for the sake of being evil. This particular conspiracy posits that Hillary Clinton told the families of those killed at the Benghazi compound that their loved ones were killed by people who hated America for one reason, when she really secretly knew that the attackers actually hated America for a different reason altogether. Knowing the exact reasons the killers hated America was supposed to be comforting to the families of those killed (for some reason), but Hillary Clinton denied them that comfort. Exactly how Clinton "knew" this when the CIA changed its mind on this question four times in the space of 48 hours is left unspecified. Probably because she was there, scaling the walls and killing those Americans herself, doubtless using the same gun she used to murder Vince Foster. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Barnabas62
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romanlion
Anyuta's right hook has been followed by Croesos' right cross. I reckon your first five points are knocked out. Got any more?
[From previous posts I understand you aren't intending voting for either Hillary or the Donald.]
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Brenda Clough
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I still can't copy and past the URL, but if you go over to the Washington POST site and look under Opinions, a Jim Ruth has a piece titled I hate Donald Trump. But he might get my vote. He makes some sort of a case for his opinion, but I do think that this whole PC complaint is trivial and silly.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I still can't copy and past the URL, but if you go over to the Washington POST site and look under Opinions, a Jim Ruth has a piece titled I hate Donald Trump. But he might get my vote. He makes some sort of a case for his opinion, but I do think that this whole PC complaint is trivial and silly.
Snarky commentary, including a link.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I still can't copy and past the URL, but if you go over to the Washington POST site and look under Opinions, a Jim Ruth has a piece titled I hate Donald Trump. But he might get my vote. He makes some sort of a case for his opinion, but I do think that this whole PC complaint is trivial and silly.
Snarky commentary, including a link.
Oooh, beautiful snark in the comments: "Confederate monuments are the ultimate participation trophy."
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Crœsos
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So this is going on:
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Since members of the British Parliament have complained about receiving several fundraising emails from Donald Trump, politicians in several other foreign countries have revealed that they've also been flooded with email requests for donations from Trump.
Members of parliament in Australia, Iceland, Denmark, and Finland have all received the emails, according to news reports and tweets from the politicians.
Tim Watts, an Australian member of parliament, told TPM's Josh Marshall on Twitter that he has received several fundraising emails from the Trump campaign, and that he believes all Australian members of parliament have gotten the emails as well.
It is illegal for American political campaigns to either solicit or receive campaign donations from foreign nationals. I'd guess that goes double for foreign nationals who are members of foreign governments.
The Trump campaign had a bad fundraising month in May and Trump is now bragging unconvincingly about his June fundraising. So what's going on here?
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Now, you're likely asking: what on Earth is going on here? Obviously, it is strictly against US election law to receive campaign contributions from foreign nationals. I suspect knowingly soliciting them is likely also illegal. And when you're soliciting money from foreign parliamentarians it's probably a pretty good bet they're not US citizens. But obviously, as big as a buffoon as Trump is, and as crooked as he is, there's no possible way his campaign is intentionally soliciting small donor contributions from members of foreign parliaments. Somehow this must be incompetence in how they bought their email solicitation lists. But how?
Candidly I didn't know you could easily buy the email list of all members of the Icelandic parliament. But it seems like you can.
Now a few people suggested that maybe someone was just pranking Trump - going to the website and signing up various foreign parliamentarians and dignitaries. But this seems far too systematic for that. It does appear to be every member of each parliament. You'd need to collect each email and then manually add them in on the Trump website, somehow get them to confirm the opt-in confirmation email. It's too complicated. These are lists that were almost certainly added from within the campaign.
The only plausible answer seems to be that the Trump campaign either dealt with a sloppy or disreputable list broker or was so desperate after its horrible May FEC report was released that it went to a broker and just said they wanted every list and they'd sort it all out later. I confess that both scenarios seem a little farfetched. But some version of one of them basically had to happen, unless there's a prankster actually inside the campaign.
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
It is illegal for American political campaigns to either solicit or receive campaign donations from foreign nationals.
Not quite. Permanent Residents (green card holders) may donate to political campaigns, be solicited for such donations, and so on.
It would be challenging for someone to maintain permanent residency in the US whilst being an MP in a different country.
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mousethief
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These foreign MPs are better people than I am. I would have contributed, and THEN squealed. Knowing -- even without knowing the details of US law -- that this would make easier for US law enforcement to bring charges against him.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
Ur assumption Trump is different is more flawed then you think.
Where did u read such an assumption in my post?
The fact you were answering a question that states:
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Many points less worthy than Trump? Give 5.
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Very very good stuff on foreign donors. Tim Watts is a labor MP, so he's likely to be sympathetic to a request from Trump. That's not sarcastic. There is no hidden meaning.
What chance the list-seller is a Trump company? He keeps everything else in-house.
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So if Trump is dialing for dollars in the forbidden zone, but doing so through "the campaign" rather than in any direct way-- what are the potential legal consequences? Would most of them fall upon the campaign itself, rather than on Trump personally?
Several commentators are building a compelling case for the whole campaign being nothing more than a money-making scheme-- something I suspected all along although not in the particular way it seems to have played out. If Trump really has no interest in actually doing the dirty work of being president, but is in this for some ulterior motive, does he stand to lose anything from approaching foreign nationals for a handout?
So much for his claim of not being beholden to special interests...
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I doubt it will make any difference (though certainly it should). His supporters don't seem to care about anything.
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Josephine--
OMG. The press should absolutely investigate--keeping in mind that they shouldn't do anything that would hinder a court case. (E.g., they should avoid *salacious* style.)
And law enforcement should investigate, too, if they're not already--making sure to do it by the book, so there's no hint of a political agenda.
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The wheels are coming off in more ways than one.
I suspect that those who are foolish enough to speak for him at the GOP convention will be doing rather more damage to their future political ambitions. A lot are planning to stay away.
Ah well. Family members will just have to make longer speeches.
On Josephine's link to the Huffpost article I note it is written, carefully, by a lawyer. I feel sure that the claims and the claimants are being scrutinized very carefully by the media. Rather more carefully than the very silly James Dobson scrutinized his sources - and even his own earlier statements.
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Originally posted by Josephine:
Do you think the child rape charges against Trump should be ignored? Reported? Discussed? Shouted from the rooftops?
Do you think they will have any effect on anything? Or is the weapons-grade plum immune even from that?
Given that it happened around 25 years ago, I expect the case is likely to be dismissed on statute-of-limitations grounds. There will be a few cries of indignation and then it will be forgotten. Law enforcement will probably not bother to investigate.
Nevertheless, some enterprising investigative journalist might do some deep digging and find info that keeps the issue alive in the public square even if it is dead in the courts. How likely is that, though? The current crop of political reporters do not seem especially gifted with initiative, much less time to pursue loose ends.
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Originally posted by Nicolemr:
I doubt it will make any difference (though certainly it should). His supporters don't seem to care about anything.
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"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
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Originally posted by fausto:
Some enterprising investigative journalist might do some deep digging . . . .
Do they even exist anymore?
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Tch. I say unto you, Bengazi! If there is the smell of something, they will dig. Journalists are like sharks; the tinge of blood in the water is enough to get things churning. Pulitzer Prizes are made of this.
However. I am suspicious of very old and flashily-scurrilous charges dug out like this. Yes, the statue of limitations is long past. There are many more current and useful things to be pointed out about Trump (the thing about accepting money from foreign governments is not only sedition but current, with a nice long digital trail). You have to dig in mines that have ore in them; if there's no gold in them thar hills it's not worth it.
I would not be astonished if this went just as far as the idea of Obama's Muslim Caliphate. (Which he had better get moving on; it's July. He has only half a year left to crush the Constitution under his iron heel and usher in Sharia Law.) Just a red rag to wave.
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Originally posted by fausto:
Given that it happened around 25 years ago, I expect the case is likely to be dismissed on statute-of-limitations grounds. There will be a few cries of indignation and then it will be forgotten. Law enforcement will probably not bother to investigate.
If I read the complaint correctly, the rape is alleged to have happened in New York. While the statute of limitations for a civil action brought by the victim may have passed, there is no statute of limitations for criminal rape charges in New York.
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Thanks for the clarification. The issue is also dealt with in the lawsuit itself. Paras 22-26 apply. That link was embedded in Josephine's original link.
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Originally posted by Gwai:
Boy do I hope those charges are seriously investigated, but the mainstream media are so carefully not saying a thing despite the sensational nature. I wonder if they're worried of being sued. Sadly, I fear it'll be her word against his, and he's bigger, so I suspect nothing will happen. And if nothing happens, the media don't seem to plan to cover it, so I fear I don't think it will influence anyone.
If there proves to be any credibility to the claims, I suspect the media more aligned and favored by left-wing Americans will probably cover it extensively. Then the right-wing media will tout how it's a witch hunt and the lefties are persecuting poor, misunderstood Trump, etc etc.
Which is the problem-- the polarization not just of America, but of the media. Indeed, it's to some degree a chicken-and-egg phenomenon. So Americans will listen to the media that confirms their beliefs, and the echo-chamber continues.
What would be a game-changer would be if some outfit such as Fox News would cover the scandal. I'm not holding my breath.
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A handy chart detailing the statute of limitations for various offenses in the state of New York, and a link to the relevant law.
That chart shows the statute of limitations for criminal cases. The pending case against Trump is a civil case between private parties, though, not a criminal prosecution by law enforcement. That's why the complaint included arguments why the ordinary statute of limitations should be "tolled" (i. e., measured in such a way that it has not yet run out).
It would not surprise me if the court were to deny the request to toll the statute of limitations, and dismiss the case on those grounds.
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If there proves to be any credibility to the claims, I suspect the media more aligned and favored by left-wing Americans will probably cover it extensively. Then the right-wing media will tout how it's a witch hunt and the lefties are persecuting poor, misunderstood Trump, etc etc.
And, if the media and/or the Democrats give the allegations significant play, you can expect the words "Juanita Broaddrick" to become the veritable slogan of the Trump campaign.
Of course, what Broaddrick alleges is unprovable at this point, but then, the allegations against Trump probably are to, or at least won't be proven before November.
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If there proves to be any credibility to the claims, I suspect the media more aligned and favored by left-wing Americans will probably cover it extensively. Then the right-wing media will tout how it's a witch hunt and the lefties are persecuting poor, misunderstood Trump, etc etc.
And, if the media and/or the Democrats give the allegations significant play, you can expect the words "Juanita Broaddrick" to become the veritable slogan of the Trump campaign.
Of course, what Broaddrick alleges is unprovable at this point, but then, the allegations against Trump probably are to, or at least won't be proven before November.
Oh, there will surely be all sorts of nasty mudslinging before this is over. Nevertheless, if indeed there is any substance to the Jane Doe allegations, dredging up Broaddrick hardly balances the scale. First, she was an adult, not a minor, at the time of the alleged incident. Second, she filed a sworn affidavit in the Paula Jones case stating that she was not raped. Third, at the time of the alleged incident, she was in fact having an illicit extramarital affair with yet another man, whom she later divorced her then-husband to marry. Fourth, the public has already heard everything there is to hear about Bill's philandering, but they re-elected him anyway. Fifth, Hillary is not Bill, and even if all the allegations against both Bill and Donald were true, unlike the other two she never raped anybody.
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A handy chart detailing the statute of limitations for various offenses in the state of New York, and a link to the relevant law.
That chart shows the statute of limitations for criminal cases. The pending case against Trump is a civil case between private parties, though, not a criminal prosecution by law enforcement. That's why the complaint included arguments why the ordinary statute of limitations should be "tolled" (i. e., measured in such a way that it has not yet run out).
Right, and I noted the civil/criminal distinction in my post, which seems to be what prompted Crœsos's post. But part of what I was responding to was the suggestion that no law enforcement investigation would be undertaken because the statute of limitations had run. The point is simply that no statute of limitations would prevent a criminal investigation and indictment, should law enforcement otherwise be inclined to pursue the allegations. (Whether credible evidence exists after all these years is, of course, another matter.)
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But part of what I was responding to was the suggestion that no law enforcement investigation would be undertaken because the statute of limitations had run. The point is simply that no statute of limitations would prevent a criminal investigation and indictment, should law enforcement otherwise be inclined to pursue the allegations. (Whether credible evidence exists after all these years is, of course, another matter.)
(Italics mine.)
Maybe I'm dense today...but how would/could they do that if the statute has run out?
Thx.
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According to links posted earlier, the limit had been exceeded for a civil case, but not a criminal one.
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According to links posted earlier, the limit had been exceeded for a civil case, but not a criminal one.
Right—there is no statute of limitations for a criminal case.
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Since some people are so unhappy with their choices in this election, let me ask: in each party, out of all available eligible individuals--not just those who ran in the primary season--who would you ideally have running in this election?
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I am tell that Barack Obama spoke before the Canadian Parliament the other day. They broke into a chant: "Four more years! Four more years!" There's my choice.
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