homepage
  roll on christmas  
click here to find out more about ship of fools click here to sign up for the ship of fools newsletter click here to support ship of fools
community the mystery worshipper gadgets for god caption competition foolishness features ship stuff
discussion boards live chat cafe avatars frequently-asked questions the ten commandments gallery private boards register for the boards
 
Ship of Fools


Post new thread  Post a reply
My profile login | Register | Directory | Search | FAQs | Board home
   - Printer-friendly view Next oldest thread   Next newest thread
» Ship of Fools   » Community discussion   » Purgatory   » Oops - your Trump presidency discussion thread (Page 44)

 - Email this page to a friend or enemy.  
Pages in this thread: 1  2  3  ...  41  42  43  44  45  46  47  ...  59  60  61 
 
Source: (consider it) Thread: Oops - your Trump presidency discussion thread
Bishops Finger
Shipmate
# 5430

 - Posted      Profile for Bishops Finger   Email Bishops Finger   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
If the White House is an 'adult day care centre', it's not doing a very good job. In this country, it would be under investigation, or even closed down.

BTW, just who arethe adults? There's a mad kid on the block, as anyone can see, but...

IJ

--------------------
Our words are giants when they do us an injury, and dwarfs when they do us a service. (Wilkie Collins)

Posts: 9449 | From: Behind The Wheel Again! | Registered: Jan 2004  |  IP: Logged
Martin60
Shipmate
# 368

 - Posted      Profile for Martin60   Email Martin60   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
It is becoming increasingly clear in the US that we are not being led by a rational person, no sir. It's terrifying.

It wasn't clear before? Though I continue to wonder if this is the disease or only the latest symptom.
What disease? What symptom? What irrationality? I agree there IS irrationality, but it's normal irrationality which everybody has to 270 degrees or another.

--------------------
Love wins

Posts: 17009 | From: Never Dobunni after all. Corieltauvi after all. Just moved to the capital. | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
Pigwidgeon

Ship's Owl
# 10192

 - Posted      Profile for Pigwidgeon   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
While Pence actually was at the game, the picture he tweeted was actually something he had already tweeted three years ago.

I did think his wife looked a bit younger than she does now, but thought it might just be some Melania-type "improvements."

--------------------
Don't keep calm. Go change the world.

Posts: 9546 | From: Hogwarts | Registered: Aug 2005  |  IP: Logged
lilBuddha
Shipmate
# 14333

 - Posted      Profile for lilBuddha     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
If the White House is an 'adult day care centre', it's not doing a very good job. In this country, it would be under investigation, or even closed down.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both systems. The ability to remove the head mid-term is both, as is the inability to easily do so.
quote:

BTW, just who arethe adults? There's a mad kid on the block, as anyone can see, but...

IJ

It's politics, lad. Adults do not get elected.

--------------------
So goodnight moon, I want the sun
If it's not here soon, I might be done
No it won't be too soon 'til I say goodnight moon

- A. N. Parsley, D. Mcvinni

Posts: 17115 | From: the round earth's imagined corners | Registered: Dec 2008  |  IP: Logged
Bishops Finger
Shipmate
# 5430

 - Posted      Profile for Bishops Finger   Email Bishops Finger   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
'Lad'? That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me today... [Razz]

But yes, point taken.

IJ

--------------------
Our words are giants when they do us an injury, and dwarfs when they do us a service. (Wilkie Collins)

Posts: 9449 | From: Behind The Wheel Again! | Registered: Jan 2004  |  IP: Logged
no prophet's flag is set so...

Proceed to see sea
# 15560

 - Posted      Profile for no prophet's flag is set so...   Author's homepage   Email no prophet's flag is set so...   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Martin-
Foundational: the triumph of commerce over people.

North South East West
Kill the best and buy the rest
It's just spend a buck to make a buck
You don't really give a flying fuck
About the people in misery

Posts: 11183 | From: Treaty 6 territory in the nonexistant Province of Buffalo, Canada ↄ⃝' | Registered: Mar 2010  |  IP: Logged
Gramps49
Shipmate
# 16378

 - Posted      Profile for Gramps49   Email Gramps49   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
When someone wants to continually brag about his I.Q., something is seriously wrong.
Posts: 2067 | From: Pullman WA | Registered: Apr 2011  |  IP: Logged
lilBuddha
Shipmate
# 14333

 - Posted      Profile for lilBuddha     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gramps49:
When someone wants to continually brag about his I.Q., something is seriously wrong.

It is like class; if you brag about your own, it is probably fairly low.

[ 10. October 2017, 16:44: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]

--------------------
So goodnight moon, I want the sun
If it's not here soon, I might be done
No it won't be too soon 'til I say goodnight moon

- A. N. Parsley, D. Mcvinni

Posts: 17115 | From: the round earth's imagined corners | Registered: Dec 2008  |  IP: Logged
Crœsos
Shipmate
# 238

 - Posted      Profile for Crœsos     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
If the White House is an 'adult day care centre', it's not doing a very good job. In this country, it would be under investigation, or even closed down.

BTW, just who arethe adults? There's a mad kid on the block, as anyone can see, but...

Depending on how far you want to trust Politico's various sources (many of whom are former Trump staffers, so they'd know but would also want to polish their own public images), it goes something like this:

quote:
As White House chief of staff, Reince Priebus mused to associates that telling President Donald Trump no was usually not an effective strategy. Telling him “next week” was often the better idea.

Trump would impulsively want to fire someone like Attorney General Jeff Sessions; create a new, wide–ranging policy with far–flung implications, like increasing tariffs on Chinese steel imports; or end a decades–old deal like the North American Free Trade Agreement. Enraged with a TV segment or frustrated after a meandering meeting, the president would order it done immediately.

Delaying the decision would give Priebus and others a chance to change his mind or bring in advisers to speak with Trump — and in some cases, to ensure Trump would drop the idea altogether and move on.



--------------------
Humani nil a me alienum puto

Posts: 10505 | From: Sardis, Lydia | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
# 1984

 - Posted      Profile for Doublethink.   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
quote:
Originally posted by Gramps49:
When someone wants to continually brag about his I.Q., something is seriously wrong.

It is like class; if you brag about your own, it is probably fairly low.
There is clip of him, doing the rounds on Twitter, bragging about how humble he is. Literally, bragging. Can't work out to link it here.

--------------------
All political thinking for years past has been vitiated in the same way. People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. George Orwell

Posts: 19194 | From: Erehwon | Registered: Aug 2005  |  IP: Logged
Boogie

Boogie on down!
# 13538

 - Posted      Profile for Boogie     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Can severely limited language skills and an incredibly restricted vocabulary go with a high IQ?

--------------------
Garden. Room. Walk

Posts: 12740 | From: Boogie Wonderland | Registered: Mar 2008  |  IP: Logged
Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
# 1984

 - Posted      Profile for Doublethink.   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Depends on the size of the bribe, I imagine.

[ 10. October 2017, 17:48: Message edited by: Doublethink. ]

--------------------
All political thinking for years past has been vitiated in the same way. People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. George Orwell

Posts: 19194 | From: Erehwon | Registered: Aug 2005  |  IP: Logged
no prophet's flag is set so...

Proceed to see sea
# 15560

 - Posted      Profile for no prophet's flag is set so...   Author's homepage   Email no prophet's flag is set so...   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
Can severely limited language skills and an incredibly restricted vocabulary go with a high IQ?

You mean smart stupid people? people who can demonstrate factual knowledge but cannot navigate their personal lives, and the converse, those who have limited knowledge and can navigate the interpersonal world? I would place trumpy as someone who has limited knowledge, believes he is smart, and covers over everything with a charisma. This charisma either charms or repels (I find it seedy, smarmy, rude myself). Am I wrong to think that the problem with trumpy is that his charisma actually wins over some people who have enough knowledge to know he's playing them? Though wrestling, horoscopes, some forms of faith healing are also appealing to people who are willing to set intellect aside. Hell, it is even possible to convince young people that joining military forces and learning to kill other human beings will be fun. You can even earn a degree whilst doing so.

--------------------
Out of this nettle, danger, we pluck this flower, safety.
\_(ツ)_/

Posts: 11183 | From: Treaty 6 territory in the nonexistant Province of Buffalo, Canada ↄ⃝' | Registered: Mar 2010  |  IP: Logged
no prophet's flag is set so...

Proceed to see sea
# 15560

 - Posted      Profile for no prophet's flag is set so...   Author's homepage   Email no prophet's flag is set so...   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Mensa offers Trump and Tillerson an IQ test.

Personally I'd rather it was an eating contest, maybe hot chili peppers.

Posts: 11183 | From: Treaty 6 territory in the nonexistant Province of Buffalo, Canada ↄ⃝' | Registered: Mar 2010  |  IP: Logged
Martin60
Shipmate
# 368

 - Posted      Profile for Martin60   Email Martin60   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Martin-
Foundational: the triumph of commerce over people.

North South East West
Kill the best and buy the rest
It's just spend a buck to make a buck
You don't really give a flying fuck
About the people in misery

Exactly. Rational. Normal, historical, human, legal abuse of power.

--------------------
Love wins

Posts: 17009 | From: Never Dobunni after all. Corieltauvi after all. Just moved to the capital. | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
Pigwidgeon

Ship's Owl
# 10192

 - Posted      Profile for Pigwidgeon   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Mensa offers Trump and Tillerson an IQ test.

But if they were to take the test, and the inevitable happens, you know it will be declared a FAKE test, and Mensa will be a FAILING organization. (And, possibly, Hillary and Obama will somehow be at fault.)

--------------------
Don't keep calm. Go change the world.

Posts: 9546 | From: Hogwarts | Registered: Aug 2005  |  IP: Logged
lilBuddha
Shipmate
# 14333

 - Posted      Profile for lilBuddha     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Doublethink.:
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
quote:
Originally posted by Gramps49:
When someone wants to continually brag about his I.Q., something is seriously wrong.

It is like class; if you brag about your own, it is probably fairly low.
There is clip of him, doing the rounds on Twitter, bragging about how humble he is. Literally, bragging. Can't work out to link it here.
You're welcome?

--------------------
So goodnight moon, I want the sun
If it's not here soon, I might be done
No it won't be too soon 'til I say goodnight moon

- A. N. Parsley, D. Mcvinni

Posts: 17115 | From: the round earth's imagined corners | Registered: Dec 2008  |  IP: Logged
Brenda Clough
Shipmate
# 18061

 - Posted      Profile for Brenda Clough   Author's homepage   Email Brenda Clough   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
An excellent, and free, summary of the situation as it now stands.

--------------------
Science fiction and fantasy writer with a Patreon page

Posts: 5833 | From: Washington DC | Registered: Mar 2014  |  IP: Logged
simontoad
Ship's Amphibian
# 18096

 - Posted      Profile for simontoad   Email simontoad   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
chorleywooded bread

I might agree with most of your list, but what do you have against the Chorleywood process?
It produces an exceptionally soft bread within which the protein molecules are all shattered into very short chains, it requires the addition of large amounts of sugar, yeast, often additives, and the product stales quickly. Inferior massed produced startch in many cases. (I've baked for 35 years)
Really? American bread tastes very very very "different". This must be why.

--------------------
Human

Posts: 1281 | From: Romsey, Vic, AU | Registered: May 2014  |  IP: Logged
simontoad
Ship's Amphibian
# 18096

 - Posted      Profile for simontoad   Email simontoad   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
I agree that Trump is a normal, mostly rational person who should never have been elected President of the United States. For that, I blame the Republican Party, the banks who rescued him from financial ruin in the 1990's, the people who hired him to play the boss on The Apprentice, the people who voted for him and who I do not know personally, Jeb Bush, Vlad Putin, the American business community, Facebook and Google, the Supreme Court Judge who died and myself.

Edit: James Comey, Hilary Clinton and the Democrats and Romanlion

[ 11. October 2017, 00:47: Message edited by: simontoad ]

--------------------
Human

Posts: 1281 | From: Romsey, Vic, AU | Registered: May 2014  |  IP: Logged
Gramps49
Shipmate
# 16378

 - Posted      Profile for Gramps49   Email Gramps49   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
I disagree. Trump is far from rational. And far from normal.

He is a Narcissist. I believe he is a sexual predator, He is extremely volatile. He has defrauded many people.

No, he is not normal. No, he is not rational.

Posts: 2067 | From: Pullman WA | Registered: Apr 2011  |  IP: Logged
no prophet's flag is set so...

Proceed to see sea
# 15560

 - Posted      Profile for no prophet's flag is set so...   Author's homepage   Email no prophet's flag is set so...   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
Really? American bread tastes very very very "different". This must be why.

I can't speak to American bread or flour. Don't know it at all. I do know that hard Canadian spring wheat (all purpose flour) has more gluten than any other including American and European. Europeans get closest when they use "strong flour" but it still contains some soft wheats (~25%) whereas Canadian contains all hard. Americans doe the same. I found bread in London to be reasonably similar to the commercial bread in Canada but loaves are slightly denser and smaller (bought in chain groceries).

The difference in making of bread commercially is the rushing of the process, whereas traditional bread may take 2-3 days. You can find traditionally made bread in all countries, it is handled differently and produces a different product.

Posts: 11183 | From: Treaty 6 territory in the nonexistant Province of Buffalo, Canada ↄ⃝' | Registered: Mar 2010  |  IP: Logged
Martin60
Shipmate
# 368

 - Posted      Profile for Martin60   Email Martin60   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gramps49:
I disagree. Trump is far from rational. And far from normal.

He is a Narcissist. I believe he is a sexual predator, He is extremely volatile. He has defrauded many people.

No, he is not normal. No, he is not rational.

Normal then.

--------------------
Love wins

Posts: 17009 | From: Never Dobunni after all. Corieltauvi after all. Just moved to the capital. | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
Bishops Finger
Shipmate
# 5430

 - Posted      Profile for Bishops Finger   Email Bishops Finger   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Not normal, but also not unique.

[Disappointed]

IJ

--------------------
Our words are giants when they do us an injury, and dwarfs when they do us a service. (Wilkie Collins)

Posts: 9449 | From: Behind The Wheel Again! | Registered: Jan 2004  |  IP: Logged
Martin60
Shipmate
# 368

 - Posted      Profile for Martin60   Email Martin60   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Far from it. Which is normal.

--------------------
Love wins

Posts: 17009 | From: Never Dobunni after all. Corieltauvi after all. Just moved to the capital. | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
simontoad
Ship's Amphibian
# 18096

 - Posted      Profile for simontoad   Email simontoad   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
How can you possibly think that narcissism and being a sexual predator is not utterly run-of-the-mill among rich men? It's not universal by any means, but it is certainly in plague proportions.

We used to let it slide because we were part of an insufficiently challenged patriarchy. But how many American Presidents and public figures would have been on the Ashley Madison site if it had been around in their day? I understand Martin Luther King Jr would have, and he is not on his Pat Malone.

A little less than half of voting Americans let it slide this time (instead of crucifying him like what happened to Gary Hart et al) because they hated Hilary Clinton's guts, and by association everything she believes in, the stupid bastards.

--------------------
Human

Posts: 1281 | From: Romsey, Vic, AU | Registered: May 2014  |  IP: Logged
simontoad
Ship's Amphibian
# 18096

 - Posted      Profile for simontoad   Email simontoad   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
How can you possibly think that narcissism and being a sexual predator is not utterly run-of-the-mill among rich men? It's not universal by any means, but it is certainly in plague proportions.

We used to let it slide because we were part of an insufficiently challenged patriarchy. But how many American Presidents and public figures would have been on the Ashley Madison site if it had been around in their day? I understand Martin Luther King Jr would have, and he is not on his Pat Malone.

A little less than half of voting Americans let it slide this time (instead of crucifying him like what happened to Gary Hart et al) because they hated Hilary Clinton's guts, and by association everything she believes in, the stupid bastards.

Can you imagine how hard Trump laughed when he realised he didn't have to quit over pussygate. Bastard.

--------------------
Human

Posts: 1281 | From: Romsey, Vic, AU | Registered: May 2014  |  IP: Logged
Brenda Clough
Shipmate
# 18061

 - Posted      Profile for Brenda Clough   Author's homepage   Email Brenda Clough   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
It is only marginally helpful to cite the past. We agree that mores have changed; what passed in thee 1950s and 1960s can well be impossible now. Dinosaurs (among whom we can include Liddle Donny and Weinstein) are, or were, unchanging as times changed around them, and couldn't adapt.
We must deal with the present. I am good with prosecution of crimes. Yes, Weinstein raped a woman; jail sounds fine to me and there's even a Hollywood tradition of producers using the penitentiary as a springboard to greatness. (Before you ask: Springtime for Hitler) People have been trying to get traction on prosecuting Lyin' Don for years, maybe now the tires will bite and we'll get somewhere.

--------------------
Science fiction and fantasy writer with a Patreon page

Posts: 5833 | From: Washington DC | Registered: Mar 2014  |  IP: Logged
Ohher
Shipmate
# 18607

 - Posted      Profile for Ohher   Author's homepage   Email Ohher   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
BUT:

Brenda, In the main I agree. The problem is that we -- the American people -- are putting eggs in the wrong basket when and while we wait on the President to take a bridge too far (that bridge is likely in Brooklyn and up for sale), or for Congress to "do something," or the Cabinet to "do something," or Mueller to "do something."

Yes, "something" must be done. Longstanding foreign alliances are cracking. The rule of law at home is fracturing. Racism, sexism, classism, and domestic terrorism are on the rise. This administration is fleecing taxpayers, depriving citizens of basic rights, and on and on.

This is on us. We're the ones who have to "do something." A substantial minority of us catapulted this loose cannonball into office, and it's time for the Mad-as-hell Majority to surround the White House with pitchforks and torches and demand regime change.

--------------------
From the Land of the Native American Brave and the Home of the Buy-One-Get-One-Free

Posts: 280 | From: New Hampshire, USA | Registered: Jun 2016  |  IP: Logged
Crœsos
Shipmate
# 238

 - Posted      Profile for Crœsos     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Those of you who had "Carter Page" in your office betting pool as the first Trump campaign/administration official to plead the Fifth, please collect your winnings.

--------------------
Humani nil a me alienum puto

Posts: 10505 | From: Sardis, Lydia | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
cliffdweller
Shipmate
# 13338

 - Posted      Profile for cliffdweller     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
How can you possibly think that narcissism and being a sexual predator is not utterly run-of-the-mill among rich men? It's not universal by any means, but it is certainly in plague proportions.

We used to let it slide because we were part of an insufficiently challenged patriarchy. But how many American Presidents and public figures would have been on the Ashley Madison site if it had been around in their day? I understand Martin Luther King Jr would have, and he is not on his Pat Malone.

A little less than half of voting Americans let it slide this time (instead of crucifying him like what happened to Gary Hart et al) because they hated Hilary Clinton's guts, and by association everything she believes in, the stupid bastards.

I get your point, but bristle at the false equivalence.

Bill Clinton, (possibly MLK) and the Ashley Madison clients committed adultery-- immoral, a breach of trust, a sin. But not a crime. Even someone like myself whose first marriage broke up under similar circumstances do not think it should be illegal.

Weinstein and POTUS, otoh, are accused of sexual assault. Non-consensual sexual activity. That is a much, much more serious criminal allegation-- and it was just as illegal (if more selectively prosecuted) in 1980 as it is today.

--------------------
"Here is the world. Beautiful and terrible things will happen. Don't be afraid." -Frederick Buechner

Posts: 11131 | From: a small canyon overlooking the city | Registered: Jan 2008  |  IP: Logged
romanlion
editorial comment
# 10325

 - Posted      Profile for romanlion     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by cliffdweller:

Bill Clinton, (possibly MLK) and the Ashley Madison clients committed adultery-- immoral, a breach of trust, a sin. But not a crime. Even someone like myself whose first marriage broke up under similar circumstances do not think it should be illegal.

Weinstein and POTUS, otoh, are accused of sexual assault.

Of course you know that Bill Clinton was credibly accused of rape and sexual assault by multiple women, right?

--------------------
"You can't get rich in politics unless you're a crook" - Harry S. Truman

Posts: 1405 | From: White Rose City | Registered: Sep 2005  |  IP: Logged
mr cheesy
Shipmate
# 3330

 - Posted      Profile for mr cheesy   Email mr cheesy   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
There are unproven accusations against Clinton, however [... listen to the chorus]

--------------------
arse

Posts: 10327 | Registered: Sep 2002  |  IP: Logged
Gramps49
Shipmate
# 16378

 - Posted      Profile for Gramps49   Email Gramps49   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
A special prosecutor looked into the claims against Clinton and concluded there was not enough evidence to bring any charges against him.

A special investigator is looking into Trump, but his mandate does not include looking into any sexual allegations against him.

Posts: 2067 | From: Pullman WA | Registered: Apr 2011  |  IP: Logged
Brenda Clough
Shipmate
# 18061

 - Posted      Profile for Brenda Clough   Author's homepage   Email Brenda Clough   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ohher:
BUT:


Yes, "something" must be done. Longstanding foreign alliances are cracking. The rule of law at home is fracturing. Racism, sexism, classism, and domestic terrorism are on the rise. This administration is fleecing taxpayers, depriving citizens of basic rights, and on and on.

This is on us. We're the ones who have to "do something." A substantial minority of us catapulted this loose cannonball into office, and it's time for the Mad-as-hell Majority to surround the White House with pitchforks and torches and demand regime change.

The most cheering reply I can make to this I saw in the Post today -- it is a scant 390 days to the 2018 elections.
I would hesitate long and think very hard before resorting to force. That's what he wants, you know -- a Kristallnacht, an excuse to impose martial law. There's nothing he would adore more than calling out the troops and standing on the reviewing stand, doubtless with one arm raised.
We must not give it to him. Because he's a loose cannon, a monkey with no more grasp of the Constitution than my cat, we must do this right.

--------------------
Science fiction and fantasy writer with a Patreon page

Posts: 5833 | From: Washington DC | Registered: Mar 2014  |  IP: Logged
lilBuddha
Shipmate
# 14333

 - Posted      Profile for lilBuddha     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
I understand Martin Luther King Jr would have

Your post is seriously fucked up. All the out and abuse to choose from and you pick MLK? Really?
The worst he did, if the allegations are true, is commit infidelity. Not defending that, if it happened.
We are talking about narcissism and abuse and sexual predators and this is your example?
What the serious fuck?

--------------------
So goodnight moon, I want the sun
If it's not here soon, I might be done
No it won't be too soon 'til I say goodnight moon

- A. N. Parsley, D. Mcvinni

Posts: 17115 | From: the round earth's imagined corners | Registered: Dec 2008  |  IP: Logged
Hedgehog

Ship's Shortstop
# 14125

 - Posted      Profile for Hedgehog   Email Hedgehog   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Because he's a loose cannon, a monkey with no more grasp of the Constitution than my cat, we must do this right.

On behalf of your cat, I must object to the comparison.

--------------------
"We must regain the conviction that we need one another, that we have a shared responsibility for others and the world, and that being good and decent are worth it."--Pope Francis, Laudato Si'

Posts: 2678 | From: Delaware, USA | Registered: Sep 2008  |  IP: Logged
Ohher
Shipmate
# 18607

 - Posted      Profile for Ohher   Author's homepage   Email Ohher   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
we must do this right.

The problem is that the "right" ways are CLOSED TO US. Congress is worried, but either not worried enough to act, or too scared to do so. They have too much on the line.

Ditto the cabinet.

Mueller? Who knows? He's keeping his cards, if indeed he has any, very close to his chest. He's careful and cautious, which is great; but he's also slow. Even if he ultimately produces obstruction-of-justice charges (or something else in that vein), the damage done in the meantime may be irreparable.

Those are the "right ways." The remaining "right way" -- a Democratic sweep of both houses of Congress in the midterms -- is (A) highly improbable (gerrymandering, vote suppression, Russian hacking, etc.) and (B), given that 44.2 has already alienated both houses and both parties and yet proceeds merrily along enriching himself, his kin, and his cronies at taxpayer expense despite this, is unlikely to alter a thing.

While I agree that actual armed uprising is ill-advised (and probably impossible anyway), something like a mass general strike and mass demonstrations may be needed to put the fear of unemployment into Congress before the midterms.

--------------------
From the Land of the Native American Brave and the Home of the Buy-One-Get-One-Free

Posts: 280 | From: New Hampshire, USA | Registered: Jun 2016  |  IP: Logged
cliffdweller
Shipmate
# 13338

 - Posted      Profile for cliffdweller     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gramps49:
A special prosecutor looked into the claims against Clinton and concluded there was not enough evidence to bring any charges against him.

A special investigator is looking into Trump, but his mandate does not include looking into any sexual allegations against him.

Exactly.

If credible evidence is ever brought against Clinton I would of course call for him to be brought to justice, both in criminal charges and any civil suit. I don't see the right being so even-handed about Trump.

--------------------
"Here is the world. Beautiful and terrible things will happen. Don't be afraid." -Frederick Buechner

Posts: 11131 | From: a small canyon overlooking the city | Registered: Jan 2008  |  IP: Logged
Brenda Clough
Shipmate
# 18061

 - Posted      Profile for Brenda Clough   Author's homepage   Email Brenda Clough   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
A cri de coeur from the incomparable Charles Pierce. This should be a free click. Oh, would that he would save us!

--------------------
Science fiction and fantasy writer with a Patreon page

Posts: 5833 | From: Washington DC | Registered: Mar 2014  |  IP: Logged
Bishops Finger
Shipmate
# 5430

 - Posted      Profile for Bishops Finger   Email Bishops Finger   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
Come Barack, Obama - Usania hath need of thee!

Could he? Might he?

IJ

--------------------
Our words are giants when they do us an injury, and dwarfs when they do us a service. (Wilkie Collins)

Posts: 9449 | From: Behind The Wheel Again! | Registered: Jan 2004  |  IP: Logged
simontoad
Ship's Amphibian
# 18096

 - Posted      Profile for simontoad   Email simontoad   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by cliffdweller:
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
How can you possibly think that narcissism and being a sexual predator is not utterly run-of-the-mill among rich men? It's not universal by any means, but it is certainly in plague proportions.

We used to let it slide because we were part of an insufficiently challenged patriarchy. But how many American Presidents and public figures would have been on the Ashley Madison site if it had been around in their day? I understand Martin Luther King Jr would have, and he is not on his Pat Malone.

A little less than half of voting Americans let it slide this time (instead of crucifying him like what happened to Gary Hart et al) because they hated Hilary Clinton's guts, and by association everything she believes in, the stupid bastards.

I get your point, but bristle at the false equivalence.

Bill Clinton, (possibly MLK) and the Ashley Madison clients committed adultery-- immoral, a breach of trust, a sin. But not a crime. Even someone like myself whose first marriage broke up under similar circumstances do not think it should be illegal.

Weinstein and POTUS, otoh, are accused of sexual assault. Non-consensual sexual activity. That is a much, much more serious criminal allegation-- and it was just as illegal (if more selectively prosecuted) in 1980 as it is today.

Yep. VERY good point.

--------------------
Human

Posts: 1281 | From: Romsey, Vic, AU | Registered: May 2014  |  IP: Logged
simontoad
Ship's Amphibian
# 18096

 - Posted      Profile for simontoad   Email simontoad   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
I understand Martin Luther King Jr would have

Your post is seriously fucked up. All the out and abuse to choose from and you pick MLK? Really?
The worst he did, if the allegations are true, is commit infidelity. Not defending that, if it happened.
We are talking about narcissism and abuse and sexual predators and this is your example?
What the serious fuck?

Chill. I said MLK would have been on the Ashley Madison site.

--------------------
Human

Posts: 1281 | From: Romsey, Vic, AU | Registered: May 2014  |  IP: Logged
Crœsos
Shipmate
# 238

 - Posted      Profile for Crœsos     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
How can you possibly think that narcissism and being a sexual predator is not utterly run-of-the-mill among rich men? . . .

quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
I understand Martin Luther King Jr would have

Your post is seriously fucked up. All the out and abuse to choose from and you pick MLK? Really?
The worst he did, if the allegations are true, is commit infidelity. Not defending that, if it happened.
We are talking about narcissism and abuse and sexual predators and this is your example?
What the serious fuck?

Chill. I said MLK would have been on the Ashley Madison site.
If you're going to preface your statement by saying you're talking about sexual predators, including MLK in your list is a whole lot of false equivalence. As would be most of Ashley Madison's clients, for that matter. Or Gary Hart, even.

Equating sexual infidelity (or even just the catch-all category of "sex I don't like") with sexual assault is one of the most common and cheapest moves of sex abuse apologists. It conveniently changes the subject and obfuscates the actions of predators.

--------------------
Humani nil a me alienum puto

Posts: 10505 | From: Sardis, Lydia | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Leorning Cniht
Shipmate
# 17564

 - Posted      Profile for Leorning Cniht   Email Leorning Cniht   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
Really? American bread tastes very very very "different". This must be why.

Apparently 80% of UK bread is made with the Chorleywood process, as is a similar proportion of Australian bread. So I don't think you can blame the general anodyne sweetness of American bread on Chorleywood.
Posts: 4900 | From: USA | Registered: Feb 2013  |  IP: Logged
mousethief

Ship's Thieving Rodent
# 953

 - Posted      Profile for mousethief   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hedgehog:
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Because he's a loose cannon, a monkey with no more grasp of the Constitution than my cat, we must do this right.

On behalf of your cat, I must object to the comparison.
[Killing me]

--------------------
“Religion doesn't fuck up people, people fuck up religion.”—lilBuddha

Posts: 63203 | From: Ecotopia | Registered: Jul 2001  |  IP: Logged
Brenda Clough
Shipmate
# 18061

 - Posted      Profile for Brenda Clough   Author's homepage   Email Brenda Clough   Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
He's coming. Please feel free to do something about this. He loathes crowds holding protest signs and wearing pink hats.

--------------------
Science fiction and fantasy writer with a Patreon page

Posts: 5833 | From: Washington DC | Registered: Mar 2014  |  IP: Logged
mousethief

Ship's Thieving Rodent
# 953

 - Posted      Profile for mousethief   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gramps49:
A special prosecutor looked into the claims against Clinton and concluded there was not enough evidence to bring any charges against him.

A special investigator is looking into Trump, but his mandate does not include looking into any sexual allegations against him.

The Starr Chamber went waaaaay beyond its mandate.

--------------------
“Religion doesn't fuck up people, people fuck up religion.”—lilBuddha

Posts: 63203 | From: Ecotopia | Registered: Jul 2001  |  IP: Logged
Golden Key
Shipmate
# 1468

 - Posted      Profile for Golden Key   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
simontoad--

quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
quote:
Originally posted by simontoad:
Chill. I said MLK would have been on the Ashley Madison site.

If you're going to preface your statement by saying you're talking about sexual predators, including MLK in your list is a whole lot of false equivalence. As would be most of Ashley Madison's clients, for that matter. Or Gary Hart, even.

Equating sexual infidelity (or even just the catch-all category of "sex I don't like") with sexual assault is one of the most common and cheapest moves of sex abuse apologists. It conveniently changes the subject and obfuscates the actions of predators.

The context of your comment about MLK wasn't clear, simontoad. And, given long-running and exacerbated racial tensions and injustice in the US, and all the people who deeply revere Dr. King, it's usually extremely unwise to criticize him. Especially if the criticizer isn't black. And is from another country, and doesn't get the social history and nuances. FYI.

And what Croesos said above.

--------------------
Blessed Gator, pray for us!
--"Oh bat bladders, do you have to bring common sense into this?" (Dragon, "Jane & the Dragon")
--"Oh, Peace Train, save this country!" (Yusuf/Cat Stevens, "Peace Train")

Posts: 18177 | From: Chilling out in an undisclosed, sincere pumpkin patch. | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged
Pigwidgeon

Ship's Owl
# 10192

 - Posted      Profile for Pigwidgeon   Author's homepage     Send new private message       Edit/delete post   Reply with quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
He's coming. Please feel free to do something about this. He loathes crowds holding protest signs and wearing pink hats.

Will he get to ride in a golden carriage?

--------------------
Don't keep calm. Go change the world.

Posts: 9546 | From: Hogwarts | Registered: Aug 2005  |  IP: Logged



Pages in this thread: 1  2  3  ...  41  42  43  44  45  46  47  ...  59  60  61 
 
Post new thread  Post a reply Close thread   Feature thread   Move thread   Delete thread Next oldest thread   Next newest thread
 - Printer-friendly view
Go to:

Contact us | Ship of Fools | Privacy statement

© Ship of Fools 2016

Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.5.0

 
Check out Reform magazine
sip of fools mugs from your favourite nautical website
 
  ship of fools