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Ohher
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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
“Random girls will want to have sex with you. Because you’re the bad boys. . . . Every girl on the planet wants [you] now.” '

Sounds like incitement to rape.

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The NRA is especially transparent in its motivations. During the Obama presidency people were urged to go and stock up on guns and ammo, because The Kenyan was going to impose Sharia law any day now and Take Away Teh Gunz. When Crooked Don was elected, they immediately began to urge people to go and stock up on guns and ammo, because Liberals Were Going To Attack. It doesn't matter who is elected or what the problem is. The NRA would advise buying more guns if you complained of bunion pain.

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quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
That can happen if you make videos warning white people that the black hordes are coming to murder them.

Weeping Christ. The allegedly pro-America, pro-Constitution (but only the second amendment thereof) National Rifle Association now qualifies for the Southern Poverty Law's list of hate organizations.

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quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
quote:
Originally posted by saysay:
The founder of Daily Kos and co-founder of Vox (left-wing sites with a fair amount of influence on that side of the political spectrum) recently declared that the NRA and American conservative/Nazis are one in the same. That's a lot of Nazis that people would apparently be justified in attacking.

That can happen if you make videos warning white people that the black hordes are coming to murder them.
Gaa! The comments! My eyes! My eyes!

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Never read below the line, mt.

(Obviously, I have to, but dude...)

[ 16. August 2017, 15:49: Message edited by: Doc Tor ]

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Originally posted by saysay:
After the Bmore to Cville march on Sunday night, the city announced a decision to remove its Confederate monuments.

From what I've read this morning, they were taken down overnight. The city council voted Monday night, and as soon as the mayor could find a contractor, she had those things removed. The Washington Post says she stayed up all night last night watching this happen.

Anyone interested in a dick-free, non-willy-waving discussion of what to do when white supremacists are holding a rally is invited up to Purgatory.

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Originally posted by RuthW:
[QUOTE] From what I've read this morning, they were taken down overnight.

Yes, I believe I mentioned that in my post (although perhaps I wasn't clear when I said that the monuments had started coming down overnight that it was the city, not the protesters, who were doing it. In which case, thanks for the clarification).

Still, given that this isn't exactly a new issue and has been discussed many times before without action having been taken, I do have to wonder how much the looming threat of violence and/or destruction factored into the decision to not only act, but to act that quickly. I have to admit that there was something pleasing to me about seeing pictures of people who have been committed to this fight for a long time standing on top of empty pedastels at 4 am, but I do have some moral qualms about means and methods.

Fortunately, in the end, it's not up to me to judge. I have too much trouble working out what's between G-d and my own conscience to try to do that for others.

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An excellent (and free click) analysis of why our wackadoodle gun laws make these situations so much worse.

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Meanwhile, in other (but related) news, it looks as though The Lord Of Fear And Orangeness is losing yet more friends:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40946386

Again, I ask US Shipmates, is this significant, and/or likely to lead to more problems for His Orangeness?

BBC News also reports that, worldwide, the US of A is, sadly, being seen as dysfunctional, and losing status as a world power by the hour. Be that as it may, the nuclear arsenal remains the same size, and that is a scary thought, as Baby Trumpling descends further into the Hell of his own creation.

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Something is going to give.

In someways predictably, it's the business sector that is showing the greatest stress factors in the Trumpian infrastructure

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Well, I might not live to see it, but it may well be that the world, in future, will be divided up, and ruled, by Russia and China, with America as very much a third-rate (but large) runner-up.

Would this necessarily be a Bad Thing, I wonder?

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quote:
Originally posted by saysay:
quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
[QUOTE] From what I've read this morning, they were taken down overnight.

Yes, I believe I mentioned that in my post ...
You did, and I was asleep at the switch. Sorry about that.

I think you're right about the potential issues with the way this was done. But I can see why the mayor would want to avoid attracting a lot of unwanted attention right now.

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Originally posted by Zappa:
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Something is going to give.

In someways predictably, it's the business sector that is showing the greatest stress factors in the Trumpian infrastructure
Sad. Bigly sad. From all sides.

"Fuck me gently with a chainsaw" (-Heathers, 1988 movie).

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Watching Trump tweet his way to supporing the many nice people who marched with the white supremacists I was struck by how Trump has pre-empted Godwin's Law.
It has been noted that the Jews in his administration have largely been silent.

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Yeah, what about Jared?

Here's a better thought that is making the rounds:
By Rabbi Michael Adam Latz:

First they came for transpeople and I spoke up -- because God does NOT make mistakes!
They came for the African Americans and I spoke up -- because I am my sisters’ and my brothers’ keeper.
And then they came for the women and I spoke up -- because women hold up half the sky.
And then they came for the immigrants and I spoke up -- because I remember the ideals of our democracy.
And then they came for the Muslims and I spoke up -- because they are my cousins and we are one human family.
And then they came for the Native Americans and Mother Earth and I spoke up -- because the blood-soaked land cries and the mountains weep.
They keep coming. We keep rising up. Because we Jews know the cost of silence. We remember where we come from.
And we will link arms, because when you come for our neighbors, you come for us— and THAT just won’t stand.

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Oh. Wow. That brought tears to my eyes......

[Overused]

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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Oh. Wow. That brought tears to my eyes......

[Overused]

IJ

Mine too.

[Tear]

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quote:
Originally posted by Palimpsest:
Watching Trump tweet his way to supporing the many nice people who marched with the white supremacists I was struck by how Trump has pre-empted Godwin's Law.
It has been noted that the Jews in his administration have largely been silent.

I've been sitting here, wondering if T has absorbed the thought that the (type of) people he's supporting would happily kill Jared, Ivanka, and their kids...

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Bishops Finger
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I'm not sure that such joined-up thinking is Darth Vader II's forte...

[Disappointed]

BTW, the Jews in his administration are probably silent because their lower jaws have dropped, and have not yet returned to their usual position.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
BTW, the Jews in his administration are probably silent because their lower jaws have dropped, and have not yet returned to their usual position.

I'd hope they'd not have been so naïve. Then again they are Jews in 45's administration. Some synapse or two isn't firing.

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Perhaps they're quietly slipping out of the back door whilst Sauron the Daft isn't looking...

IJ

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Oh here's a heartbreaker. Get your tissues. A neo-Nazi has apparently made a video of himself blubbering because there's a warrant out for his arrest.

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One has to pity him. Think of it, the future employers, the future girlfriends, Googling him and seeing this. A vow of celibacy and poverty, right before your very eyes.

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Forethought. Just a gram. Let this be a lesson, lads.

Y'know, there's a reason the KKK wore hoods.

[ 17. August 2017, 00:47: Message edited by: mousethief ]

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Y'know, there's a reason the KKK wore hoods.

Same reason the profa wear masks?

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Aw, the little Italy kitty has hissed. Well, may you be stricken very greviously in your organs of generation and may become a mockery even as you contract the drips from a goat to the clapping of tiny hands.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Oh here's a heartbreaker. Get your tissues. A neo-Nazi has apparently made a video of himself blubbering because there's a warrant out for his arrest.

On the page of that link, there are links to other Charlottesville stories, over on the right. CBS photographers claim that counter-protestors beat them up. (One of them reportedly needed stitches, and there's a pic.) Ivanka and Jared's rabbis have spoken out against T's speeches. Etc.

...and there's

"FLASHBACK: Ivana Trump alleged ex-husband Donald kept a copy Hitler’s ‘My New Order’ next to their bed."

Raw Story's "Hot Off The Press" page is probably the easiest way to get to these stories, because the right-hand column doesn't always show the same choices.

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Golden Key
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Correction: That should be "CBS journalists".

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
Oh here's a heartbreaker. Get your tissues. A neo-Nazi has apparently made a video of himself blubbering because there's a warrant out for his arrest.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Not a good "hold my beer" moment.

[ 17. August 2017, 17:43: Message edited by: Mere Nick ]

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This is a white rural fellow's opinion of the affair. Crowder is a professional comedian and therefore this is not especially profanity free.

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This is a white rural fellow's opinion of the affair. Crowder is a professional comedian and therefore this is not especially profanity free.

As always funny as hell and very cogent. Love that guy. "Losers who fetishize other losers." Yep.

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
This is a white rural fellow's opinion of the affair. Crowder is a professional comedian and therefore this is not especially profanity free.

As always funny as hell and very cogent. Love that guy. "Losers who fetishize other losers." Yep.
"If you refuse to pick a side, you're picking their side."

Damn straight.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
This is a white rural fellow's opinion of the affair. Crowder is a professional comedian and therefore this is not especially profanity free.

[inappropriate] Oh, mah Lord. I could listen to that guy's voice all day long. And all night. And the eyes, and the eyelashes, and- yeah. [/inappropriate]

Also, a fantastic rant.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
This is a white rural fellow's opinion of the affair. Crowder is a professional comedian and therefore this is not especially profanity free.

There's a certain sense of watching a car crash when reading the comments to that video - large number of folk appear to be very tone deaf as to the nature of the protests and how they come across, and equally seem to deliberately misconstrue groups like BLM.
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There are monuments to the Confederate war leaders and slave owners. Are there any monuments to slavery in the USA, and any such monuments or commemoratives in the cities where the controversial statues are?

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Well, there's Mississippi. The reddest of red states, as far in the South as you can go. This quote is from the GUARDIAN:
'When James Meredith enrolled as the first black student at the segregated University of Mississippi in 1962, there were riots from a white mob, quelled only by federal troops. After a year of studies, racial harassment and protection by US marshals, Meredith graduated in a peaceful commencement ceremony.
Four decades later, Meredith returned to see his son graduate with the top honors from the business school at Ole Miss. He said he was far more proud of his son than he was of his own time there.
For his part in changing its culture and its history, the university made an important statement about Meredith, the man it had so roundly abused: it installed a statue of him striding towards its entrance. '

Rosa Park's bus is in the Smithsonian, as is the famous Woolworth's lunch counter. The African American Museum opened on the Mall last year, and it has an entire floor devoted to the slavery of the past.

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quote:
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Rosa Park's bus is in the Smithsonian, as is the famous Woolworth's lunch counter. The African American Museum opened on the Mall last year, and it has an entire floor devoted to the slavery of the past.

There is a difference between a monument and a museum, though. Museums are special places we hide history away in. Monuments are out in public.
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This is probably far more detail than most people need, and also it's from the POST. A deconstruction and analysis of every single symbol flaunted in Charlottesville last weekend.

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Arnold S. called T out:

"Arnold Schwarzenegger teaches Trump how to respond to Nazis" (Yahoo). That's text, and refers to a video. If it's on that page, my security stuff must be blocking it.

I was mostly unhappy with Arnold when he was governor here; and there were sexual accusations against him, somewhat similar to those against T. But, this time, Arnold did good.

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Watched the two videos of Cantwell. In the first one he is triumphant that someone on the other side was killed but no one on his side. He said there will be a lot more deaths before it's all over, and the white supremacists achieve their "ethnostate."

In the second of course he is all blubbery because there's a warrant out for his arrest and he's such a lawful guy.

Coward.

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Huia
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Brenda, that Washington Post article was fascinating, unfortunately my crappy internet connection bombed out part way through my reading it, but now I know it exists I can check it out at the Library which has a subscription [Yipee]

Mousethief - sounds like most bullies, dishing it out is fun, but being on the receiving end is horrible. As the kids in my childhood playground would have said - "It serves him right".

Huia

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Brenda Clough
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If you don't have a POST subscription you can often get it through your public library -- go to their web site and check. Also, the POST will give you a free subscription if you have a .mil or .edu address, or if you're an Amazon Prime member (because Jeff Bezos owns the POST).

This is a free click, with some mild profanity. The KKK marches in Tennessee, where they are met by clowns. The ones dressed as brides are particularly charming.

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Amanda B. Reckondwythe

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
If you don't have a POST subscription . . . the POST will give you a free subscription if you have a .mil or .edu address.

One of my addresses is .edu. I tried subscribing but they ask you for payment option before asking you your e-mail address. There is no button to click for "Subscribe for free (.edu)".

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Brenda Clough
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Did you go to the front page and slide all the way down, hitting the subscribe button? You have to poke around a little; if you can't find it send them an email.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
[...] This is a free click, with some mild profanity. The KKK marches in Tennessee, where they are met by clowns. The ones dressed as brides are particularly charming.

Thanks, Brenda. Made my day! [Big Grin]

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Wesley J

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Except, as a grammar nazi, I'd like to point out that there's no apostrophe for the plural form of nazis - not nazi's.

Carry on.

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quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
If you don't have a POST subscription . . . the POST will give you a free subscription if you have a .mil or .edu address.

One of my addresses is .edu. I tried subscribing but they ask you for payment option before asking you your e-mail address. There is no button to click for "Subscribe for free (.edu)".
Go here.
weird subscriptions

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Alex Cockell

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
This is probably far more detail than most people need, and also it's from the POST. A deconstruction and analysis of every single symbol flaunted in Charlottesville last weekend.

I'm with Gerry Rafferty.. Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...
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Then you are a dick. Fascists afe not just another option in a political cafeteria open to anyone with a moral compass.

[ 21. August 2017, 20:14: Message edited by: dyfrig ]

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Alex Cockell

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Then you are a dick. Fascists afe not just another option in a political cafeteria open to anyone with a moral compass.

Agreed.. although I tend to identify with the eye-rolling common with British police..

It's confusing, when everything has been so Balkanised...

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