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Alex Cockell

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I'm LibDem by instinct.. so generally veer centrist and freethinking..

And with John Lennon as opposed to Lenin..

But yes- I've seen how the Evangelical right sold out...

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Arnold S. called T out:

"Arnold Schwarzenegger teaches Trump how to respond to Nazis" (Yahoo). That's text, and refers to a video. If it's on that page, my security stuff must be blocking it.

The full video is on youtube.

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A Southern Baptist discusses why Evangelicals don't care about racism.

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Alan--

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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
The full video is on youtube.

Thanks. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
A Southern Baptist discusses why Evangelicals don't care about racism.

Yet this "outside world is going to Hell in a handcart so don't bother" doesn't extend to sexuality, gender or reproductive rights?

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Apparently it is always appropriate at all times for a Baptist to tell people who, where and how to have sex.

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If you're Republican from Virginia you are racist.

Virginia Republican Twitter Feed

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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
If you're Republican from Virginia you are racist.

Virginia Republican Twitter Feed

Thank you. I read all the way to the end and it was most enjoyable. [Smile] [Big Grin]

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Speaking of racists who try to deny it after the fact, there's this video of a white supremacist in Charlottesville shucking himself out of his white supremacist uniform (the white polo shirt and khaki combo we've all become much more familiar with) and trying to blend in with the crowd.

The videographer who shot the footage wrote about it for GQ.

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Since I'm a person of color, my identity is not a uniform I can take off when I am feeling unsafe — when I'm stopped by police or when my white girlfriend and I travel through southern towns where Confederate flags billow from porches and pickup trucks. Like all minorities, I’ve grown used to the way that difference marks me — the burden of being ever ready for the moment my skin turns me into a target for angry white men determined to take back what they think the world owes them.

The video of this part-time Nazi, this junior secessionist, is a perfect portrait of the very white privilege the so-called “alt-right” decries as liberal fiction. White privilege isn’t just an easy bank loan or the cumulative effects of discriminatory housing policy. It's also the privilege to disappear. The privilege to terrorize a community and return to your regular life with the ease of peeling off a polo shirt. The privilege to come to someone else’s town, invoke the symbols and slogans used to terrorize Jews, African-Americans, and countless other races in history’s darkest chapters, and pretend it’s simply your way of showing ethnic pride. It’s the privilege to engage in terror “for fun,” and the privilege to walk away. For most of my life, I've thought of racism as the vestiges of a dying generation. It's far more terrifying to behold a sea of young people for whom white supremacy is just a rec-league sport.



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Which is why the online effort to name them and shame them is good. If your daughter brought one of these lads home to introduce to Mom and Dad, you would want to know about this.

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quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
If you're Republican from Virginia you are racist.

Virginia Republican Twitter Feed

Privilege that is not prepared to lay itself down of its own volition is racist.

So who's not racist here?

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quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
A Southern Baptist discusses why Evangelicals don't care about racism.

Yet this "outside world is going to Hell in a handcart so don't bother" doesn't extend to sexuality, gender or reproductive rights?
But their whole (stated) purpose is to keep those outsiders from going to Hell in a handbasket so it's not that they aren't bothering about them, just not bothering much about what happens to them during their life on earth.

I don't like the Southern Baptist church because of their stance on a wide variety of issues. On the other hand, their focus on where one spends eternity vs focus on the quality of this infinitesimal bit of time on Earth seems right to me.

I personally have trouble keeping that perspective in mind and I figure it's a weakness of faith on my part that I can't fully convince myself that there is an afterlife and that it does last forever.

Jesus didn't spend much time worrying about the corruption in Rome, the inequality of women's rights, or the existence of slavery. He wanted us to care for the sick and hungry, love one another, believe in him and go to Heaven. Now you can say that all our liberal efforts come under loving one another, and that's true, but ultimately it's the believing in him that gets us and the recipients of our good works into Heaven, isn't it?

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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
But their whole (stated) purpose is to keep those outsiders from going to Hell in a handbasket so it's not that they aren't bothering about them, just not bothering much about what happens to them during their life on earth.

Heaven is a hope, life is real. Ignoring real suffering in the hope of eternal salvation misses much of Jesus' teachings.
Like this bit.
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He wanted us to care for the sick and hungry, love one another,

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but ultimately it's the believing in him that gets us and the recipients of our good works into Heaven, isn't it?

This make God nothing different to an obsessed Pokemon Go player.
If a membership card is the important thing to God, he can go to his own Hell.

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When Jesus delineated the things he was sent to Earth to accomplish, it was heavily weighted to action in THIS world.

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me:
1. To preach good news to the poor
2. ...to proclaim release to the captives
3. and recovery of sight to the blind
4. to set at liberty those who are oppressed;
5. To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.

To understand #5 would require digging into OT cocnepts of the Year of the Lord (or the year of the Lord's favor). This would require scholars with knowledge I lack; however, I very much question that it means something about the afterlife.

Likewise I don't know what "good news" Isaiah had in mind when he wrote these words which Jesus appropriated as about himself.

But this is not a list primarily about the afterlife. This is a list about the here-and-now.

And if we're talking about believing and getting "saved" for the next life, James (2:14-17) makes it clear that that the faith that brings that salvation is very much tied up with one's actions in THIS life.

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The briefest effort of imagination shows you how dickheaded this is. Imagine yourself, a Christian, walking past a man beating his wife with a bullwhip. Would you say nothing and simply pass by? What is your Christianity worth, if you would? Do you really think Jesus would be cool with it?

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Twilight

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A Christian would not walk past because he is knows that he should love his neighbor and care for the weak.

I don't see the conflict in thinking that the most important thing is to believe in Christ as our savior and that following his teachings as listed by Mousethief will then follow.

If you believe that doing good works on earth is all that matters then are you a Christian or just a really good person?

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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
If you believe that doing good works on earth is all that matters then are you a Christian or just a really good person?

Define "all that matters." I'd say whether or not you're a Christian has to do with your relationship to the Creed and the Church. But there are tares among the wheat.

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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:

If you believe that doing good works on earth is all that matters then are you a Christian or just a really good person?

Again. If Jesus needs you to believe in him, then he isn't a good person.

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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
A Christian would not walk past because he is knows that he should love his neighbor and care for the weak.


If you need to be a Christian to know that then you're a sociopath.

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quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
A Christian would not walk past because he is knows that he should love his neighbor and care for the weak.


If you need to be a Christian to know that then you're a sociopath.
Yes, of course, but the question was about whether or not helping the woman was as important a part of being a Christian as "belief in Jesus." If the person is going to help the woman anyway -- then it's not part of the discussion about works vs faith.

Look. If you want to be a Humanist, be a Humanist. Just don't call it Christianity.

If you don't think believing in the divinity of Jesus is a vitally important part of being a Christian, read the third chapter of John.

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Twilight:

If you believe that doing good works on earth is all that matters then are you a Christian or just a really good person?

Again. If Jesus needs you to believe in him, then he isn't a good person.
I don't think he "needs," me to believe in him, I think he wants me to, based on things he said.

Whether or not he's a "good person" doesn't come into it for me. I don't think he was a person at all so I wouldn't judge him by human standards. Who knows why he wants me to believe in him?

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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
I don't think he "needs," me to believe in him, I think he wants me to, based on things he said.

That he might want a person to believe is all well and good. However, the way you phrased it, implies that membership is a requirement.
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Whether or not he's a "good person" doesn't come into it for me. I don't think he was a person at all so I wouldn't judge him by human standards. Who knows why he wants me to believe in him?

Except that is what religion is. The figuring out what God(s) want one to do and be.

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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:


Whether or not he's a "good person" doesn't come into it for me. I don't think he was a person at all so I wouldn't judge him by human standards. Who knows why he wants me to believe in him?

I thought the heart of `Christianity was 'One God, three persons - the trinity'?

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This is related, so I put it here.
Alabama unveils a new Confederate monument. And the bellend behind the thing said
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It's important that we remember our heritage, and it's very important we remember our history, for those people that forget their heritage ... are doomed to repeat it again,
yet nothing on the monument says anything of why those memorialised died.
And this gem
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Debbie Weir, a retired attendee, said the monument stands for everything her ancestors endured, adding that she enjoyed people from different states coming together "to prove that we are one nation."

"It's always a good day when Confederates come together," Weir said.

is mind boggling in its blindness.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
Look. If you want to be a Humanist, be a Humanist. Just don't call it Christianity.

How dare you demolish some of the many mansions. Wrecking ball.

And in contradistinction, I've been told I can't distinguish the racist-evangellos on another thread.

quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:

If you don't think believing in the divinity of Jesus is a vitally important part of being a Christian, read the third chapter of John.

Bibliolatry.
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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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Originally posted by Twilight:
A Christian would not walk past because he is knows that he should love his neighbor and care for the weak.


If you need to be a Christian to know that then you're a sociopath.
Yes, of course, but the question was about whether or not helping the woman was as important a part of being a Christian as "belief in Jesus." If the person is going to help the woman anyway -- then it's not part of the discussion about works vs faith.
The question about Christians, the question FOR Christians, is not to compare what they would do with what a non-Christian would do. It's to compare what they SHOULD do with what they DO do.

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:

"It's always a good day when Confederates come together,"

Yes, I saw that, and my head just about fell off. It's hard to know where to start with that one, but I think I'll go with:

There aren't any fucking Confederates. There was a literal war about it, and the Confederacy lost. You don't get to be Confederates - you've got to be Americans.

I wonder how the black couple next door feel about the memorial commemorating everything that Debbie's ancestors had to endure in the struggle to try to keep their ancestors as property?

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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
Look. If you want to be a Humanist, be a Humanist. Just don't call it Christianity.

How dare you demolish some of the many mansions. Wrecking ball.

And in contradistinction, I've been told I can't distinguish the racist-evangellos on another thread.

quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:

If you don't think believing in the divinity of Jesus is a vitally important part of being a Christian, read the third chapter of John.

Bibliolatry.

Having not met Jesus myself all I have to go on are the words of those who knew him or at least new people who knew him. Maybe you get direct revelation like Joseph Smith but I don't.

If there are mansions in Heaven for people who think Jesus is a jerk, maybe there are mansions for people who read the Bible.

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Originally posted by Twilight:


Whether or not he's a "good person" doesn't come into it for me. I don't think he was a person at all so I wouldn't judge him by human standards. Who knows why he wants me to believe in him?

I thought the heart of `Christianity was 'One God, three persons - the trinity'?
So God and the Holy spirit are people, too?

The trinity is definitely not the heart of my Christianity. To me it's a rather difficult theological concept and understanding it is not required to be considered a Christian.

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quote:
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So God and the Holy spirit are people, too?

Not people. Persons.

In classical trinitarianism, God comprises the following three persons:

1. The Father
2. The Son (Jesus Christ)
3. The Holy Spirit.

One God, three persons. This is Christianity 101. Cf. the so-called Athanasian so-called Creed.

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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
If you don't think believing in the divinity of Jesus is a vitally important part of being a Christian, read the third chapter of John.

Bibliolatry.
I hardly think that basing one's soteriology on verses in the Bible counts as bibliolatry, if that words is to have any meaning other than "preoccupation of persons more theologically conservative than I am, and whom I dislike."

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Twilight:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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Originally posted by Twilight:
A Christian would not walk past because he is knows that he should love his neighbor and care for the weak.


If you need to be a Christian to know that then you're a sociopath.
Yes, of course, but the question was about whether or not helping the woman was as important a part of being a Christian as "belief in Jesus." If the person is going to help the woman anyway -- then it's not part of the discussion about works vs faith.
The question about Christians, the question FOR Christians, is not to compare what they would do with what a non-Christian would do. It's to compare what they SHOULD do with what they DO do.


I'll give you this: When you're on point, you're really on point. This should be pinned up on the wall in all sorts of places.

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I agree with MT's quote just above, too, and with everything Mousethief has said here.

But what started me on this tangent was the criticism of the Southern Baptists for not working harder in the area of race relations. For me one of the "don'ts" of Christianity is don't jump on other ones for not doing certain things or for not having the same priorities we have.

It reminds me of all the criticism Mother Theresa has had. She devoted her life to caring for the people who were sick and dying in the gutters, but she didn't manage to change the caste system in India, so to some people she was wrong and a failure. The Dalai Lama is turning 70 and getting long articles written about him, basically concluding he hasn't done enough.

My husband is a volunteer treasurer of the local food pantry/free store /free meals place. A dozen local churches combine to support it and it's currently under fire by them for not doing enough in the way of evangelism. My husband will quit if he has to say anything at all about Jesus while providing meals, etc. I think that's his right. He does what he is comfortable with and what matters to him. Someone else may give all his time and money toward mission work and some others may be stay home and pray.

I think it takes all kinds and it's not for us to blame someone or some church for not having our same values.

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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Twilight:
So God and the Holy spirit are people, too?

Not people. Persons.

In classical trinitarianism, God comprises the following three persons:

1. The Father
2. The Son (Jesus Christ)
3. The Holy Spirit.

One God, three persons. This is Christianity 101. Cf. the so-called Athanasian so-called Creed.

Yes, yes, of course. I say the creed every Sunday at my Episcopalian church. The person/people thing goes back to Lil Buddha saying Jesus wasn't a "good person" if he said we had to believe in him.

Boogie thinks it's the heart of Christianity. I think it's one of several important things mentioned in the creed, but if I had to pick the "heart," of Christianity from it, I would pick "I believe in Jesus Christ." I think there are probably lots of good Christians who can't quite get their minds around the trinity but think of God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost as three separate entities and I don't think they'll be bared at the pearly gates because of it.

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Thinking anyone will be 'barred at the pearly gates" is a huge problem with Evangelical thinking imo.

So, instead of dealing with the here and now, they have their eye on the hereafter - a bad idea imo, as the only place we can act or do anything is here - and now.

Do all the good you can, by all the means you can. Stop worrying about other people's souls. God has all that covered. Trust him.

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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
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Originally posted by Twilight:
If you don't think believing in the divinity of Jesus is a vitally important part of being a Christian, read the third chapter of John.

Bibliolatry.
I hardly think that basing one's soteriology on verses in the Bible counts as bibliolatry, if that words is to have any meaning other than "preoccupation of persons more theologically conservative than I am, and whom I dislike."
Of course. I really shouldn't post obtusely in mocking manner in the way these people think. But I object to creditting theological assholes with conservativism. The idea that being Christian is a giant push on the button, and nothing you've done is a problem, is a problem. You can't give your heart to Jesus and then live like satan. It makes the conversion a sham. False news. Unrecognizable. Mere words, window dressing and a lie.
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:

The idea that being Christian is a giant push on the button, and nothing you've done is a problem, is a problem. You can't give your heart to Jesus and then live like satan. It makes the conversion a sham. False news. Unrecognizable. Mere words, window dressing and a lie.

And it is the shittiest possible witness in the world, bar none. Nothing repels non-believers more, than Christian hypocrisy. Whited sepulchers are universally repulsive.

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True. But using "bibliolatry" as a smear against those--biblically interested?--becomes a weariness of the soul after a while to those of us Kerygmaniacally inclined. It makes me feel like it's some fetish I keep under the bed and somebody's found it and is mocking me for it.

It just feels freaking weird to have to defend my attachment to the Bible in a largely-Christian arena.

And yes, I know it wasn't aimed at me, but still...

[ 29. August 2017, 14:01: Message edited by: Lamb Chopped ]

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This is Hell, and I am not ranting against shipmates, I am ranting against the racist-pretend-Christians. I was stupid enough to read stuff about a council of pretend Christians who are advising the chief racist. Who say things like talking against him is evil etc.
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Twilight

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Originally posted by Boogie:

Stop worrying about other people's souls. God has all that covered. Trust him.

I do trust him. That's why when he said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me,” I believed him. And when he said, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature," I believed that. I trust that he has a reason for wanting us to tell people about him. Millions of Christians, including Paul have thought that he actually does want us to worry about other people's souls.

Maybe you should stop worrying so much about politics and social issues in the year 2017 and trust that God has that covered.

Truth be told I've never told anyone about Jesus in my life. I cringe at the thought. I spend far more time and money worrying about cures for mental illness than I do anything having to do with religion. But I'm glad the Southern Baptists, the Salvations Army and the Catholic missions are doing the work I am loathe to do.

I wouldn't dream of telling them that their work is meaningless and they should stop worrying about other people's souls anymore than I would tell someone to "do all the good they can do."

Why can't people serve God the way they see fit without someone else, who has a special phone line to God, telling them how to spend their lives and what God wants us to worry about?

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I know it's Hell, and I know it wasn't aimed at me. It just brought up a frustration of mine that I deal with on and off the Ship. Don't mind me. I'll just mutter quietly to myself in a corner...

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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
True. But using "bibliolatry" as a smear against those--biblically interested?--becomes a weariness of the soul after a while to those of us Kerygmaniacally inclined.

It isn't a smear for the biblically interested.
biliolatry
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an excessive adherence to the literal interpretation of the Bible
It is a valid term for those who cling to verses despite the bible's obvious inconsistencies.

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Lamb Chopped
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Ugh.

I'm not having this argument here. I'm just not.

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
It is a valid term for those who cling to verses despite the bible's obvious inconsistencies.

There aren't as many inconsistencies in the words of Jesus as some might like to think. I wouldn't say I cling to those verses, and I don't take every word of the Bible literally, but I do pay attention to his words, because it's the only way I have to try to know him.

It's easier for those who have built God in their own image. They only need to ask themselves what they think is right and assume he must agree.

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I think the first time someone mentions a biblical passage as basis for their behavior is a little premature to accuse them of "clinging".

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Lamb Chopped
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I damn well DO cling to any number of verses, and to the Bible as a whole. And I'm not going to be ashamed of it.

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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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Originally posted by Twilight:
A Christian would not walk past because he is knows that he should love his neighbor and care for the weak.


If you need to be a Christian to know that then you're a sociopath.
Well, as a sociopath, it's only the teachings of Jesus that stop me from burning this whole shitpile down, with all you meatsacks in it.

Be grateful for small mercies.

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Originally posted by Twilight:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
A Southern Baptist discusses why Evangelicals don't care about racism.

Yet this "outside world is going to Hell in a handcart so don't bother" doesn't extend to sexuality, gender or reproductive rights?
I don't like the Southern Baptist church because of their stance on a wide variety of issues. On the other hand, their focus on where one spends eternity vs focus on the quality of this infinitesimal bit of time on Earth seems right to me.
To bring this back to the topic at hand, blogger Fred Clark argues fairly convincingly the otherworldly focus of white American evangelicals was adopted largely as exculpation for the practice of slavery. If the main focus of your life is holding theologically correct opinions with a view towards what happens in the next world, then permitting or even engaging in cruel oppression in this world becomes a non-issue. It's an idea Clark comes back to a lot.

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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Twilight:
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It is a valid term for those who cling to verses despite the bible's obvious inconsistencies.

There aren't as many inconsistencies in the words of Jesus as some might like to think. I wouldn't say I cling to those verses, and I don't take every word of the Bible literally, but I do pay attention to his words, because it's the only way I have to try to know him.
That doesn't describe bibliolatry.
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It's easier for those who have built God in their own image. They only need to ask themselves what they think is right and assume he must agree.

This is cute and it is in Hell, but it isn't helpful. Those that choose particular verses to hang on and ignore context are also building God in their own image.
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
I damn well DO cling to any number of verses, and to the Bible as a whole. And I'm not going to be ashamed of it.

Yeah, that is what everyone says. But not all of them are being honest with themselves or consistent with the "as a whole" bit.
As for the honest bit, a person must determine that for the themselves. As to the consistent bits, it is how one reconciles these which determines the applicability of shame.

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If it's not here soon, I might be done
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Well, as a sociopath, it's only the teachings of Jesus that stop me from burning this whole shitpile down, with all you meatsacks in it.

Be grateful for small mercies.

Aww, look at him growl, he's sooo ferocious. Yes, you are, yes you Are!
Being a sociopath grants one no special abilities. It is a lacking, not a power.
Besides, symptoms tend to lessen with age, so...

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If it's not here soon, I might be done
No it won't be too soon 'til I say goodnight moon

- A. N. Parsley, D. Mcvinni

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