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la vie en rouge
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
"because I'm currently working for a crap boss and need out" is not the answer the panel want, no matter how true that is.
Tell me about it. I "want to work somewhere more modern and international", which seems to be an answer they quite like.
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Jack the Lass
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I didn't get the job. Am OK about it, I'll have a weekend of not thinking about it then start planning alternative routes to world domination next week.
I did plan and practise not only my presentation but also anticipated questions and practised answering them - I agree that it is a really helpful thing to do. I think I've been spoiled by the interviews for my clinical role in the NHS - in pretty much every one I've had, the interviewers have been so desperate to fill the role that the interview is basically to make sure that the candidate isn't a freak, has a pulse, and only one (visible) head. Even I meet those criteria ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Sorry Jack the Lad ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif) but LaVie ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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Jack the Lass
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A million congratulations LVER, please don't feel bad on my account! I promise I won't take your success personally ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
It's particularly pleasing to be able to tell an Idiot Boss to Bog Off. One thing I am really lucky with is that although I'm not particularly fond of my current job, my colleagues are great, which makes it so much more bearable. Having worked with some spectacularly idiotic bosses (including one who I'm almost certain was the original template for David Brent) I certainly wouldn't begrudge anybody the enjoyment of waving goodbye to theirs.
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Welease Woderwick
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Brilliant LVER, congratulations!
Sorry JtL, I hope the alternative route to World Domination turns up soon.
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Alan Cresswell
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Many congratulations LVER. Excellent news. Now you can tell the old boss exactly what you want to say.
JtL, getting to interview is a big achievement. I was chatting with a colleague here about my job search, in an environment with very few jobs that are a step up from where I am - this one is the first in the UK in 3 years. Last time (3 years ago) I got to interview, and was told there were over 150 applicants - I'm not going to complain about getting into the top 4 from more than 150 but not quite making number 1. Getting to interview means that everyone on the panel thought you could do the job, and better than a lot of others who could also do the job but not called to interview. That means there's a very good chance the next panel will think the same.
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Huge congratulations, La Vie, and commiserations JtL. ![[Frown]](frown.gif) As Alan said, getting to the interview stage in such a competitive market shows that you're no slouch.
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Originally posted by Jack the Lass:
... one who I'm almost certain was the original template for David Brent ...
D's sister, who trained in Recreational Management, says that her first boss was probably the template for Gordon Brittas. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Brilliant news la vie en rouge ... although I wouldn't tell the boss what you think; you might need references from that company in the future and a full and frank disclosure may get around the company as too juicy not to share.
And congratulations too to Master Clough
Sorry you didn't get the job JacktheLass - it's all good practice.
mr cheesy - have you been doing any voluntary work in a field you'd like to work in? Because that can be a way in. It also helps building your CV around gaps. (I have had time off to care for someone and I had gaps in full time employment to cover, education roles panic about gaps, but I have always had enough voluntary work.)
Alan, hope you get somewhere with that application.
Best wishes to Og hope that opening does.
I need to sign me back on here. Now is not the moment to leave because I would let down too many students, but work isn't great and I need to get a job to go to before August, when I won't get paid as I'm on a temp contract.
They want me back, are writing structures to include me ... but that will undoubtedly be a management role alongside what I am doing and will probably include the role of a colleague when he leaves at the end of term following what I suspect is a compromise agreement. He's just back after a week's suspension. There is a company culture of blaming individuals and making them take the rap. It sucks. The problem is endemic: too much pressure, unrealistic expectations, lack of resources, training and support and a poor staffing model that increases the work load exponentially. The high number of staff off sick and rapid staff turnover is a pretty good indicator that it's not a great place to work.
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chive
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I've been on my six month secondment for two months now and I'm absolutely loving it and the management seem to think I'm doing very well.
I desperately would like the secondment to continue and turn into a permanent job but I don't know how likely that is.
I have done massive hint dropping to everyone in a completely non subtle fashion including to the boss four grades up who seemed to be ok about it.
What I would like to know is at what point should I ask for a meeting with someone further up the chain and ask if there is any chance of getting an extension? Do I do it now or do I wait til I'm closer to the end of my secondment period and ask then. Meanwhile I'm still applying for other jobs even though I want to stay where I am.
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Scots lass
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Congrats LVER! That's fab news. Sorry JtL, but hopefully your other plans for world domination will come off instead.
Today was my last day in the old job (yes, it was a Saturday), and now I have a week off before starting the new one. Somewhat nervous about that, it's been such a long time since I started a new job!
Would three months into secondment be a good time to ask, Chive? It's nicely half way through, without being way too early. I'm really glad for you that it's going so well and hope it can continue!
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Piglet
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Chive, I was thinking that sometime just after half-way through would be about right too; I'd suggest speaking to your immediate boss in the first instance, so that he/she doesn't feel that you're going over his/her head. Glad to hear you've found something that suits you - hope you can make it permanent.
SL, enjoy your wee break, and good luck for the start of the new job.
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Welease Woderwick
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Chive, now you are at 2 months in can you ask for a performance review just to see how you are doing? That might open a few doors in their minds.
eta: it will also give them a chance to say about any issues they have and then give you ample time to tackle those issues.
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Sorry you didn't get the job JtL. I hope something comes along soon that is exactly what you want.
Well done LVER. How did the Boss from hell take you saying you're leaving?
Chive, I think asking for a formal meeting sounds like a good idea. They should have an idea whether the role will become permanent by now
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mark_in_manchester
not waving, but...
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Meanwhile I'm still applying for other jobs even though I want to stay where I am.
Chive - if, when you talk to them you get the feeling things are going OK and you can be frank, then perhaps your line above is a good one to use. It shows some confidence on your part - you're actively looking for a role you want, and that can be attractive in an employee. In that context being able to say 'and this current role would be great - can we talk about how it might continue?' seems to me to be a nice way of saying 'if you like me, this would be a good way to keep me!'.
That's if they turn out to be nice / human. And if they're not, keeping schtum, taking the money and dropping in your notice as and when it suits you, is the way to go.
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by mark_in_manchester:
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Meanwhile I'm still applying for other jobs even though I want to stay where I am.
Chive - if, when you talk to them you get the feeling things are going OK and you can be frank, then perhaps your line above is a good one to use.
Some time ago, my current employer was being slow about advertising the job that I currently have. I told my boss exactly that - that I wanted to stay, that I thought he wanted me to stay, but that I couldn't be left with no job, so I was applying for alternatives, and he'd write a reference, wouldn't he.
Of course, my current boss is a decent human being....
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
I've just found a job advertised that would be right up my street, and after 10 years on the top of my pay scale without opportunity for promotion I can't really not go for it. All I need to do is convince them that a Lecturer in Applied Physics can have research interests a bit broader than the very specific and narrow field they stated in the advert (ie: see how much they meant it when they said "would welcome applications from other specialisms").
The location could be nearer my children, but you can't have everything - and it will be a lot closer than Japan!
And, after three years without seeing a suitable job advertised, lo! like the proverbial bus another one gets advertised just as I'm finishing off the application for one. This one even closer to my specialist field, though no closer geographically to my children (well, OK, 7h drive rather than 8).
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Ethne Alba
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Back again! Health hassles dictate that i change employment and that sooner rather than later. Not told boss yet, but am still off work. Neither am i entirely certain about what comes next, or how that happens.Yikes!
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Og, King of Bashan
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Belated congratulations LVIR and good luck AC.
My ongoing saga with the federal agency took another turn, this time for the very good, I suspect. There is a definite retirement coming at the end of the month, and I am being flown out to an attorneys meeting in June for training / interviewing. I am expecting more news to come about the exact process, but I am getting the sense that they wouldn't be flying me out, putting me up for a few nights, and training me unless an offer were pretty close.
I've been employed the entire time that I have been looking, but it's still been a tough go. I have spent about a year and a half sending out resumes, and in that time I have mostly gotten no interview first look rejection letters back. I don't know exactly how many people have wished me luck with my future endeavors, but it's been a lot. This is very exciting, and also a huge relief.
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Piglet
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That does sound promising, Og - very best of luck!
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Alan Cresswell
Mad Scientist 先生
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That's now the second application in (two weeks ahead of the closing date - the next couple of weeks are going to be so busy I'm not going to get time to improve things any more). The first job closed at the weekend, and interview in only a few weeks, so I don't expect to have to wait long to hear.
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Piglet
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Best of luck, Alan. Are they in Japan or back home?
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Alan Cresswell
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They're both in the UK, but south of England - so still a considerable distance from home in Scotland. Not as far as Japan though.
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Piglet
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It's interesting how one's perception of distances can change. When I lived in Orkney, even Edinburgh or Glasgow seemed like a huge distance, but living here has changed all that.
We're going to be moving to Fredericton in the next few months, and nearly everyone has said how great it'll be to be on the mainland and how much more accessible everywhere will be. They've got a point: one of the people D. met when he was over for the job interview had just come back from Boston, a seven-hour drive away, and my first thought was, that's the equivalent of Colchester to Edinburgh (and less time than it takes to drive across Newfoundland).
eta: I'd imagine it feels like a very long way if you're at one end of it and "home" is at the other though.
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Caissa
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I'm just an hour down the road in Saint John. Welcome to N.B.
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Piglet
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Thanks, Caissa; I'd noticed your location, but until recently I wasn't sure how "just down the road" Saint John would be.
Possible Ship-meet sometime ...
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Caissa
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Most definitely a ship meet might be in order. Since I work for the Saint John campus of UNB, I am occassionally in Fredericton. Next week I am there for a conference from Wednesday to Friday.
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Piglet
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I'm hoping there might be work for me at UNB; my line of work is secretarial, and most of my professional experience is in university offices.
Will be joining this thread properly once we move and get settled in.
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Ethne Alba
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Resignation goes in sometime this week......yikes....
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Piglet
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Best of luck, EA.
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Ethne Alba
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Mutual agreement + work place current situation = don't even have to work my notice!
( & a good reference has been assured)
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Sandemaniac
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Judging from the smiley, that's a good thing. Best of British with the next step!
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Ethne Alba
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Indeed a good thing......and thank you...
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Sarasa
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Great things panned out the way you wanted Ethne Alba. Onwards and upwards!
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Celtic Knotweed
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I've been on a 6-month secondment since mid-September (yes, I know that's more than 6 months ago, it got extended ), and finding it very interesting.
The Powers That Be have finally decided that they want a permanent team here, so the adverts went on the site this morning. Now I just have to get the application done
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Piglet
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Excellent news CK! You're surely at an advantage being in one of the posts already, and if they hadn't thought you were any good they wouldn't have extended your contract.
Go for it!
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Riiiiiight. Anyone wanna hire a second level support techie? Databases: Oracle, MySQL, SQL Server on Linux, Windows.
Will kill for table scraps.
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MrsBeaky
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So...
I've been back in the UK for a few weeks now and have just had confirmation that I will be returning to Kenya for next January and February...
Cue frantic flurry of activity to get back into the County system so I can teach back at my old school (who really want me back)in order to earn the money for our airfares only to discover that the CRB check has become the DBS check and there are now all sorts of issues with me having been away in Kenya for four years.
Bloody Hell is all I can say.
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Doone
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quote:
Originally posted by MrsBeaky:
So...
I've been back in the UK for a few weeks now and have just had confirmation that I will be returning to Kenya for next January and February...
Cue frantic flurry of activity to get back into the County system so I can teach back at my old school (who really want me back)in order to earn the money for our airfares only to discover that the CRB check has become the DBS check and there are now all sorts of issues with me having been away in Kenya for four years.
Bloody Hell is all I can say.
Bloody Hell indeed
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Lucia
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Originally posted by MrsBeaky:
So...
I've been back in the UK for a few weeks now and have just had confirmation that I will be returning to Kenya for next January and February...
Cue frantic flurry of activity to get back into the County system so I can teach back at my old school (who really want me back)in order to earn the money for our airfares only to discover that the CRB check has become the DBS check and there are now all sorts of issues with me having been away in Kenya for four years.
Bloody Hell is all I can say.
Gulp... Let us know how you get on. With just over a week to go until we leave Tunisia after 9 years we are still trying to get an appropriate piece of paper out of the police here to show that we have not been in any trouble for precisely this reason. I will almost certainly need DBS check for my work back in the UK (when I find some!).
Hope you get it sorted.
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MrsBeaky
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The police route in Kenya was a complete non-starter for us as bureaucracy and accounting issues both come into play in these scenarios....
I do have statement of good conduct from the diocesan bishop which I hope might help but who knows?
If I can't teach I don't knw what I'll do so here's hoping!
Hope your return path is smooth, Lucia
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mousethief
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Last day of work. (I'm a secondary math teacher.) Will be looking for a new gig for the Fall.
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Piglet
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Good hunting, Mousethief. What are the general prospects for schoolteachers in Ecotopia? Here in Newfoundland teaching jobs are rather like hens' teeth; there seems to be what amounts to a closed shop, and people can spend years doing subbing work before getting anything approaching a permanent job.
that you find something soon.
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Mamacita
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MT, it seemed you were really enjoying your math teacher gig. I hope you find something soon.
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mousethief
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Piglet, there's something of a deficit of math teachers, they say. We had a heck of a time finding one in the fall, and in the end had to switch one of our science teachers over to math, and hire another science teacher. Although there aren't nearly as many openings as one might think from that report, and I haven't actually been called back on any but one.
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