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Zappa
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Originally posted by Sir Pellinore (ret'd):
Many eminent High Churchmen studied and graduated from Ridley in his time.
Sadly, I believe that is no longer the case.
Indeed I fear many of the wonderful evangelical folk of that time, as well as those higher up the candle, would be surprised by the doctrine being produced by that Other College nowadays.
Meanwhile the head of Moore allegedly teaches the doctrine that a believer, once saved, cannot sin. Sounds dull to me.
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I have now moved from holidays in Melbourne, to study leave in Canberra where I will be attending a conference and delivering a workshop. It should be an interesting time.
I then move on to holidays in Brisbane .... Yay! And then move on to moving, in Victoria...
Life is fun at present.
I know I have no work left undone back home, as I have no work there at all, apart from a farewell service at the end of the month.
Welcome to the new-comer and hi to all you folk who are not on leave and stuff, and must work hard tomorrow.
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Huia
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Originally posted by Zappa:
Meanwhile the head of Moore allegedly teaches the doctrine that a believer, once saved, cannot sin. Sounds dull to me.
Does that mean if they do sin, then they weren't properly saved in the first place, or is it that being saved makes such a deep difference in a person's being that they are incapable of sinning?
Or is it just one of the Red Queen's 'six impossible things'?.
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Originally posted by Evangeline:
Still looking for an activity for Sunday School that starts in 45mins-none of the suggested ones are quite right for our group hmmm.
Evangeline you are indeed brave - that would scare the hell out of me! 45 minutes... ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
I could never do that, because the day I'm not prepared is that day that I will have 25 children turn up!
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Originally posted by Evensong:
It means the head of Moore is an idiot.
Second that...
[coding - and I also third the motion!]
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Just realised that I've made 51 posts and have been promoted to Shipmate! ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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Moo
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Originally posted by Huia:
..is it that being saved makes such a deep difference in a person's being that they are incapable of sinning?
It may mean that if a person is saved, nothing they choose to do is a sin. There is a weird and fascinating novel on this topic called The Private Memoirs and Confessions of a Justified Sinner.
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Evangeline
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Cryptic, I did have the story organised so wasn't totally unprepared and I always have a few things up my sleeve like games etc . As it turned out we had 10 kids and it went ok, the large spread in age range makes things a bit tricky.
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Sir Pellinore
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Originally posted by Evensong:
It means the head of Moore is an idiot.
Ah Evensong. An extremely simplistic reaction.
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Zappa, are you aware that Sir Frank's compositions are being played all this week on ABC Classic breakfast programme? It seems he was a "serious" musician whose output was not appreciated due to his "other" music!
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Huia
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Thanks Moo. i first came across a similar ides in a book years ago, so I'll be interested to follow up your suggestion.
An announcement is to be made in an hour's time at the site of St John's, Latimer Square (now totally demolished) regarding the future of the Cathedral. I suspect the 'Cardboard Cathedral' may get the green light for building on this site, but it's just my best guess - I may be totally wrong. It's only a kilometre or so from the Cathedral, which is in the process of being demolished. Unfortunately I have an appointment over the other side of town, so will have to rely on news media for information rather than being there.
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Huia
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Ha! ideas not ides - Christchurch, not Shakespeare
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Sir Pellinore
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Originally posted by Cryptic:
Just realised that I've made 51 posts and have been promoted to Shipmate!
My condolences. May I suggest the Addiction Hotline?
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Huia
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It looks like S. John's are getting a good deal - they get to keep the building when new Cathedral is built, but knowing the fighting (all in Christian love of course) that might not be for some time to come ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
My suburb is swarming with surveyors today, checking the roads. I hope it means some of the bumps will be fixed, but i'm not holding my breath as there is so much to be done.
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Originally posted by Sir Pellinore (ret'd):
quote:
Originally posted by Evensong:
It means the head of Moore is an idiot.
Ah Evensong. An extremely simplistic reaction.
Must confirm Evangeline's belief that I'm a spy from the Diocese of Sydney then.
Excellent. It's all part of my cunning plan.
Muah hahaha
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Zappa
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I really haven't got my head around the Moore boss's doctrine. I think it means whichever way the wind blows ... if you really sin - i.e. shag the cardinal's pet lamb or something, then you clearly weren't saved in the first place, but if you only apparently sin, i.e. contribute to the gap between global north and global south then you're washed in the blood of the (other) lamb and therefore forgiven.
Or something ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
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Evangeline
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I think it means whichever way the wind blows ... if you really sin - i.e. shag the cardinal's pet lamb or something,
or you listen to a woman preach in church.
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Amongst all this, welcome back Huia - hope all is well.
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Originally posted by Zappa:
I really haven't got my head around the Moore boss's doctrine. I think it means whichever way the wind blows ... if you really sin - i.e. shag the cardinal's pet lamb or something, then you clearly weren't saved in the first place, but if you only apparently sin, i.e. contribute to the gap between global north and global south then you're washed in the blood of the (other) lamb and therefore forgiven.
Or something
Sorry. I've had problems reading the screen because it was covered in the phlegm I sprayed all over it. If John Woodhouse was teaching sinless perfection, he would no longer be employed as principal of Moore College and his licence from the Archbishop would be at risk. I know current students (in all years at College) and former students. i have heard John Woodhouse teach and preach. I have never heard him or any of the many people i have known who have trained at Moore say that Christians do not sin. Christians sin because we live in tis world and we are still being made perfect. But at the same time God does not hold our sin against us because of what Jesus has accomplished in his death and resurrection.
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Sir Pellinore
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Originally posted by Evensong:
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Originally posted by Sir Pellinore (ret'd):
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Originally posted by Evensong:
It means the head of Moore is an idiot.
Ah Evensong. An extremely simplistic reaction.
Must confirm Evangeline's belief that I'm a spy from the Diocese of Sydney then.
Excellent. It's all part of my cunning plan.
Muah hahaha
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Zappa
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Originally posted by boofhead:
quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
I really haven't got my head around the Moore boss's doctrine. I think it means whichever way the wind blows ... if you really sin - i.e. shag the cardinal's pet lamb or something, then you clearly weren't saved in the first place, but if you only apparently sin, i.e. contribute to the gap between global north and global south then you're washed in the blood of the (other) lamb and therefore forgiven.
Or something
Sorry. I've had problems reading the screen because it was covered in the phlegm I sprayed all over it. If John Woodhouse was teaching sinless perfection, he would no longer be employed as principal of Moore College and his licence from the Archbishop would be at risk. I know current students (in all years at College) and former students. i have heard John Woodhouse teach and preach. I have never heard him or any of the many people i have known who have trained at Moore say that Christians do not sin. Christians sin because we live in tis world and we are still being made perfect. But at the same time God does not hold our sin against us because of what Jesus has accomplished in his death and resurrection.
That is a relief. The way rumours crawl across this continent is most disturbing. Give him my love.
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I must say Zappa, that that was one I hadn't heard about SydAng.
Groovy gran to the rescue here when DIL asked if I could mind three while she was at doctor's. My stocks went up when they remembered I am fairly up to date with things. Long conversation with grandson re playlists, syncs, apps etc and I knew more than he did on some of it.
I came into spare room. One was fiddling with my iTunes and his iPod. Miss Seven was using games on my iPhone and Miss Nine seized iPad and set about using it. She's had experience of iPhone but not iPad. Kept them quiet at least an hour which was just as well because DIL's doctor didn't see her till almost two hours after appointment.
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Zappa
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As an act of penance I listened to 28 minutes of a Woodhouse sermon (Dr. John Woodhouse: “Effective Truth: 1 Timothy 1:12-17") and can humbly admit (everbody notice how humble ... okay, I jest - ) there were no heresies contained.
My apology is genuine. I received information (albeit from someone I trusted) and the facts now available to me appear not to support it. Mea culpa.
Still - there's nothing like an attack, however misguided - on one of the Moore gurus to bring lurkers out of the woodwork. Good to see you after two and a half years, boofhead.
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Why do I keep thinking Jeeves and Wooster when I hear Woodhouse?
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Moo
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Originally posted by Huia:
Thanks Moo. i first came across a similar ides in a book years ago, so I'll be interested to follow up your suggestion.
I meant to provide a link but I forgot. I'm sure you can find it in NZ.
It is an extremely weird but interesting book with supernatural happenings. It shows how what appears to be step-by-step logic can lead to something very bad.
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Sir Pellinore
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Originally posted by Evensong:
Jeezus boofhead you blew our cover!!
You have 'cover'? I'd check the policy. I thought it expired a long time ago.
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Huia
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![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif) Now the Museum is being closed for earthquake strengthening. At least it's not being demolished. I know it needs to be done, but I feel as though I'm sitting on a desert island and the tide is getting higher. It seems like the more buildings the engineers look at closely, the less facilities we have to use. A group from our congregation were going to visit the earthquake display there this Sunday. I know closing is far better than running the risk of anyone being crushed, but I'm beyond rational.
Meanwhile the Anglican Cathedral is to seek between $200,000 and $260,000 (can't remember exact amount) from ratepayers for running expenses. This ratepayer is not amused as our rates will be going up around 7% this year. They argue they have a lot of support from Canterbury people - I argue that if so many people support them then a ratepayer subsidy shouldn't be necessary.
Also there is a lot of bad feeling in the community about the decision to demolish, as it seems only the Cathedrals' usual engineering firm was asked to comment, despite others offering their expertise free. The lack of consultation doesn't bother me - it's their building - but to then turn round and ask for public money, is a bit much. It's not as though this is a one off payment either, as they have had money from the Council in the past, and with the former Dean now on the Council there wil be at least one voice strongly in favour.
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![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif) Huia
I notice Zappa's been careless while out walking the croc again.
Ro's having dinner at Chez Banner tonight. As we are minding grandchildren at present, I'm afraid it's bangers and mash (their favourite). But I'll try to find a nice red to make up for it, Rowen!
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I'm afraid it's bangers and mash (their favourite)
Three of mine upgraded to good BBQ chicken (brought in) and baked vegetables for an unplanned meal here last night. Their mum was two hours waiting for her 3:00 pm doctor's appointment near here and it was easier to feed them than have them sit in peak hour traffic and still need to be fed at home.
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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
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I notice Zappa's been careless while out walking the croc again.
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Praise de Lawd BL, Madam Zelda's patented "See All Krystal Balle" tells me you are misinformed.
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Zappa
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Despite discovering (as some of you will have seen on Facebook) that our little above ground pool is 38.5°C right now (it still is ... we'll know in future not to leave its cover on!) I had a strange moment of panic a few minutes ago. Being a seasonal depressive I had this fleeting thought: "oh horror, Easter has gone, we're sliding into winter"
Then I remembered
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I'm heading down to Brisbane at the beginning of May, and I was looking forward to going to the beach for a swim.
Then I remembered. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Sir Pellinore
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Originally posted by mertide:
I'm heading down to Brisbane at the beginning of May, and I was looking forward to going to the beach for a swim.
Then I remembered.
Yes, it's hard to find much of a beach unless you go to the Coast.
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For Huia and others.
I see that the Cardboard Cathedral is to go ahead. Haven't checked how many worshipers it's supposed to hold, but wonder how many who are all for rebuilding the damaged cathedral would actually worship there, and financially support its reconstruction.
Anyway, the cardboard version is expected to be ready by next Christmas, and seems to have a reasonable level of support.
Edited because I hit 'Send' instead of 'Preview' – it's past my bed-time.
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Rowen
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Just had a lovely Canberra dinner with Banner Lady, who will be fostering my car whilst I go on vacation to Brisbane.
We had a good dinner, and much conversation with her and the family....
My thanks
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Banner Lady
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Yes, Rowen has survived the madness of Chez Banner once more. We happily foster cars - next step is house sitting for others, that way we can really run away from the family!
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Son's house is very wet. I imagine his garage is flooded and water is up three front steps to just below porch level. Road outside is flooded and his garbage bins are floating.
He's been there 12 years and there's never been anything like this before. Council fixed a drain which goes under his garage but this water has not come from there. Quiet, pleasant cul-de-sac in western Sydney.
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Lothlorien
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Just heard from son. DIL is out on SES call out and water is draining. Their backyard was badly affected but I haven't seen photos of that. She did some emergency "sandbagging" against the back roller door of garage where water was about half a metre deep. Used a big tarp and lots of firewood built up to hold tarp against door.
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Lothlorien, Son and DIL and all in Sydney who are getting drenched *again*!
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Hi All
Prayers please for Rexory, his 82 y/old dad has just had a massive heart attack - and he lives 8 hours drive away in Kalgoorlie. - of course Rxy has just left to do an all night drive, and hopefully will find his dad still alive when he gets there. If not, then we do know that dad is well prepared and is ready to go home to God whenever. There is significant damage to his heart and it has caused his weak kidneys some further distress, so a good outcome is not really expected.
Thanks guys
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Praying.
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