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Quizmaster
Quick quipper
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Knockout Quiz 2007 Entrants:
Ann
Annie P
Caty the Southerner
Chicklegirl
Chorister
Comet
Davelarge
Doublethink
EJCardiff
Golden Key
Hart
Icklejen
Jedijudy
Jonah the Whale
Lady A
Mertseger
Nutmeg
Paul W
Professor Kirke
Pure as Snow
Quizmaster
Radagasty
Rugasaw
Rugmaker
Sharkshooter
Smudgie
The Rogue
Wet Kipper
ROUND ONE : CHEMICAL ELEMENTS
In this opening round you must choose an element from the Periodic Table. The twist this year is that I am going to score each element according to the rule A=1,B=2,...,Z=26 so you should post the following information:
CHEMICAL ELEMENT
ESTIMATED SCORE
The other competitors will put you straight if you get it wrong, and we love it when people get it wrong!
The person closest to the average score when all elements have been selected will be the one who is eliminated.
WE'RE OFF! ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif)
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Mertseger
Faerie Bard
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I'll strike while the iron is hot and submit an entry. I'll assume that the score will be the sum of the alphabet mapping for the two letters of the standard chemical abbreviation of the elements, thus yielding:
CHEMICAL ELEMENT: Pm (Promethium)
ESTIMATED SCORE: 29
Here's a periodic table for anyone who might want one.
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The Body of Christ,
The Goddess of Body,
The Manifest Song of Faerie.
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
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Possible Element: Ununium (Uuu)
Possible Scores: 148 (63)
However, the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry approved the name Roentgenium for element 111 on 1 November 2004, and the name Unununium has consequently been retired. Therefore I submit:
Chemical Element: Roentgenium (Rg)
Possible Scores: 141 (25)
For the estimated score I pick the average: 94.1
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Chorister
Completely Frocked
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I'll start at the top of the pretty coloured boxes, as it's a good a place as any.
Hydrogen (H), estimated score 8
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Ann
Curious
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CHEMICAL ELEMENT - Boron
ESTIMATED SCORE - 2 (B)
(And this is an easy way to remember the elements in the Periodic Table.
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sharkshooter
Not your average shark
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CHEMICAL ELEMENT: Calcium (Ca)
Estimated Score: 4
[ 17. September 2007, 20:52: Message edited by: sharkshooter ]
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jedijudy
Organist of the Jedi Temple
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I would like to pick Carbon (C), which in one form includes the hardest naturally occurring substance (diamond).
Estimated Score: 3.
(Or is it 53?)
[Added a thought.]
[ 17. September 2007, 23:25: Message edited by: jedijudy ]
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Adam.
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[Never mind strategy, I owe it to the old girl...]
Chemical Element: Berkelium (Bk).
Estimated Score: 13.
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rugasaw
Shipmate
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From one of my favorite movies.
Arsenic
Estimated Score: 69
I would have guessed 2 but 69 makes has much since and I like the number. ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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Golden Key
Shipmate
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Wet Kipper, a belated ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif) for your help with the URL problem.
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Adam.
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
I choose element 62, Samarium (Sm). (IMHO, an appropriately Biblical choice.)
My estimate is: 4.
OK, I've thought about it, but I'm stumped -- how on earth did you get 4? I'm all for creative interpretations of QM's rules, but this one's too creative for my small brain!
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Lady A
Narnian Lady
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I shall choose Beryllium with an estimated score of 117.
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chicklegirl
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I'm choosing Cobalt (which happens to be my favorite color), with an estimated score of 18.
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Golden Key
Shipmate
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If I understood correctly, QM wants us to estimate what the average score will be...but the person who's closest to the average will be eliminated. So I figured 4 would be safe.
If I've misunderstood, please tell me. Thanks!
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Nutmeg
Ship's spice girl
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Oh dear chemistry... the years I spent memorising the periodic table.. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
I choose iron ( FE).
Quizzy you have not specified if our scores are based on the symbol or the total name.
If score is based on symbol, my score for Fe would be 11. If the score were based on the entire word my score would be 38. (I think)
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Caty S.
I read, therefore I am.
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Zirconium
Which is (I think!) 44 for Zr, or 128 if spelled out fully.
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Annie P
Ship's galley maid
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Barium (Ba) is my metallic eliment of choice.
Estimated score: 3 (or am I supposed to be guessing what the mean will be????? ![[Confused]](confused.gif) )
Hope that's right. Well, even if it isn't, I can always become an also ran.
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The Rogue
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I took QM's instructions to mean that we should post our element and our estimate of the score of that element. QM will calculate the official score of each entry (if nobody falls by the wayside by not posting one) and then the average. My first thought was that the score is calculated on the full name of the element but many seem to be scoring on the chemical symbol.
I shall go for gold with a score of 38.
[ 18. September 2007, 12:18: Message edited by: The Rogue ]
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Adam.
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
If I understood correctly, QM wants us to estimate what the average score will be...but the person who's closest to the average will be eliminated. So I figured 4 would be safe.
If I've misunderstood, please tell me. Thanks!
GK, what The Rogue just said...
I think he included the "estimated" (I can see your interpretation of that now you make it clear, but I couldn't before) both to allow for people making mistakes and for the vagueness of his instructions.
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Wet Kipper
Circus Runaway
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it now being International Talk Like A Pirate Day, I shall choose a Pirate's favourite element:
AR-gon !! (symbol Ar)
55 points for the full name, 19 for the Symbol
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Rugmaker
Shipmate
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Please could someone clarify whether we are scoring the abbreviation or the full name?
Thanks
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The Rogue
Shipmate
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quote:
Originally posted by Rugmaker:
Please could someone clarify whether we are scoring the abbreviation or the full name?
Thanks
Going by my experience in the quiz I suspect that any clarification will always be subject to the whims of QM at the time the round ends so all we can do is speculate and see what happens.
I do include QM himself in the above sentence.
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Rugmaker
Shipmate
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I choose Seaborgium Sg scoring 110 or 26, because I like its utterly ridiculous name that sounds like something straight out of Star Trek.
There also appears to have been a huge row about the name, as described here.
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flags_fiend
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I seem to have missed the sign up date, nevermind always next year. However due to the chemistry content of the first round I thought I might as well comment seeing as that is what I am studying - if anyone wants a good periodic table with lots of associated informations try web elements periodic table
Incidentally if I was playing I'd go Y, yttrium as it has a cool name ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Estimated average score 25 ![[Biased]](wink.gif) (and yes I know that is the score of mine)
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Imaginary Friend
Real to you
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Phew... logging in from holiday
Helium - He.
Estimated average score - 102.
Jen´s go...
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Liberty
ship's football fanatic
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Molybdenum - Mo (because of the great Mourinho of course!)
I don't understand what we're estimating, come to that I still don't understand what different types of averages are (despite poor dl's best efforts)so... my random number... is 10, coz that's Joe Cole's number, and until I get more intelligent I shall stick with randomness!
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Smudgie
Ship's Barnacle
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quote:
Originally posted by icklejen:
I don't understand what we're estimating, come to that I still don't understand what different types of averages are (despite poor dl's best efforts)so... my random number... is 10, coz that's Joe Cole's number, and until I get more intelligent I shall stick with randomness!
ij x
Icklejen, the estimated score for your chosen element works this way. If you use a code where a=1, b=2 through to z=26 and allocate each letter in your word a score, your estimated score is the total of those numbers. So your word is worth 99 if you're scoring for all the letters, 25 if it's for the short form.
The averages could be the median, the mean and the mode. The mode is the modish one, the one that most people go for. The median is, as it sounds, the one which comes in the middle if you line them all up in numerical order. The mean is not mean at all, but rather fair as you collect in all the scores, add them all together, and then divide the total between all the people equally and see how many they'd get each.
So if five people entered and had estimated scores of 5, 18, 5, 7 and 15, the mode would be 5 because most people had chosen it. The median would be the middle one when they were in numerical order, so 5,5,7,15,18 making a median of 7. The mean would be the fair share: 5+5+7+15+18 makes 50 and 50 shared between the five people who entered the competition would make 10 each... thus the mean average is 10.
I would guess that Quizzy will go by the mean or the median, as the mode would be knock too many people out at this early stage in the game.
I am going for Xenon because it's a noble gas, not any of your common rabble of elements, so:
Xenon (Xe)
Estimated score: 72 (29)
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comet
Snowball in Hell
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Copper (Cu)
I'm completely baffled as to what we're estimating - our own score or the average score, or the air speed of an african swallow. therefore, I'm going with 29.
just cause.
I chose copper because it is beautiful, valuable, and the best hair color known to mankind. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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"It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.” -Calvin
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Ship's Barnacle
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Do Africans swallow at a different speed to people of other nationalities? I find that idea a little hard to swallow.
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jedijudy
Organist of the Jedi Temple
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Arrrr, a mess o' swallow's'd make a fine meal, me hearties.
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chicklegirl
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quote:
Originally posted by Gwai:
Definitely you should estimate the airspeed of an African swallow. But how will you do that?
I thought we discussed this (with appropriate references to help with calculations) last year...
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Golden Key
Shipmate
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Corrected, expanded, and annotated entry.
I choose element 62, Samarium (Sm). (IMHO, an appropriately Biblical choice.)
My random guess to keep me away from the middle estimate is: 4.
Total points for first letter of element: 19.
Total points for abbrev. of element: 32.
Total points for full name of element: 95.
This "periodic table set to music" site on sympathetic vibratory physics may be of interest.
Note: Elemental education!: Tom Lehrer's "Elements" song, set to the "Major General" song from "Pirates of Penzance", with animation by Mike Hand.
Note: Helpful science site: NetScience: The Sum of All Sciences.
Note: Random science-related fact: Prof. Einstein hated to wear socks.
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Snowball in Hell
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Note: Random science-related fact: Prof. Einstein hated to wear socks.
YES!
always knew I had something deeply in common with that man. love him.
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Annie P
Ship's galley maid
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quote:
Originally posted by icklejen:
Molybdenum - Mo (because of the great Mourinho of course!)
Who is sadly no more - you didn't see that one coming. You could always estimate which manager you're going to get now, or indeed where Mo is going next. Dear, dear, dear. ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
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Golden Key
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quote:
Originally posted by comet:
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Note: Random science-related fact: Prof. Einstein hated to wear socks.
YES!
always knew I had something deeply in common with that man. love him.
Long ago, I heard a story about this. Einstein was at an awards ceremony in his honor, and was growing weary of all the elaborate comments about him. So he leaned over to the woman next to him and said, "You know, I never wear socks!"
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Wet Kipper
Circus Runaway
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quote:
Originally posted by Annie P:
quote:
Originally posted by icklejen:
Molybdenum - Mo (because of the great Mourinho of course!)
Who is sadly no more
well - I wouldn't go that far - he's left the club, but he's not dead !
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Annie P
Ship's galley maid
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Didn't you read the rest of the sentence? - who is sadly no more your manager.
Do I have to spell everything out word for word?? Honestly, you just can't get the shipmates these days....
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Adam.
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quote:
Originally posted by Smudgie:
If you use a code where a=1, b=2 through to z=26 and allocate each letter in your word a score, your estimated score is the total of those numbers.
To be pedantic, QM never stipulated that we use the total (though we've all assumed that in our calculation). It could be the product, one of the averages, or (and this is my favorite) the number you get just by writing all the numbers next to each other (so Ca, for instance, would score 31).
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Flags Fiend: Welcome to the quiz.
As you have cost nobody their place your entry in the first round is sufficient to gain you full entry to the quiz. (I have sent a PM).
As for what I meant about full name or two letter abreviation ... and average, ... I am not sure whether or not I have decided on that yet, but I will, and when I do you will know.
There are so many possibilities at the moment.
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Explanantion for new players
`When I use a rule,' Quizzie said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'
`The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make rules mean so many different things.'
`The question is,' said Quizzie, `which is to be master -- that's all.'
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything;
Alice in Through the Knockout Quiz
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Jonah the Whale
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I'm going for scandium - Sc because it is the lowest numbered element (21) that I can't remember hearing about.
You will all be interested to know that it is a rare metallic element, very light, soft and silvery. But what I find a more interesting general fact about this range of elements is that the even numbered elements are much more common than the odd numbered ones for a good, non-random reason. I never knew that.
My estimate is 22 - the number of players on a football pitch if nobody has been sent off.
JtW.
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Lady A
Narnian Lady
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Yeah! Smudgie you rock! If Smudgie were an element her estimated score would be 78 which is the number for platinum. But we all knew that she was worth more than gold anyways!
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Liberty
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Thanks Smudgie (still confused as ever!)
And as for Mourinho - I'm in Portugal, so saw it all first hand "Mourinho dexia Chelsea". And now we have a Grant, and I am a Grant by birth!
But enough derailing the thread.... Quizzie will kick me out, or Dave will think I've abandoned him on holiday!
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Quizmaster
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The Subsidiary Competitions
This year there has been a slight change. The PLUSH points stand for P=Page L=Laughter U=Unusual S=Smart H=Helpful.
As always the points are awarded on a whim.
P L U S H Points
1 0 1 0 1 Paul W : First in with a helpful website link, and mention of Adrian Plass
1 0 0 -1 0 Radgasty : Previous knockout quizzes can be found in Limbo
1 1 1 1 1 PATDYS : Somewhere in those two posts you get one of each point
1 0 1 0 0 Jedijudy : Thankyou Judy, it's great to have your support once again
1 0 1 0 0 Rugasaw : Have I missed something or am I looking too deep?
1 0 0 0 1 Chorister : For the link
1 0 0 1 1 Hart : For mentioning the things you should be and we changed the other
1 0 0 -1 0 Hart : Wrong!
1 0 1 0 0 Sharkshooter : I like the sentiment, this is good anti-addiction training
1 0 0 1 0 Comet : Welcome back Eskimo
1 0 0 0 1 Chicklegirl : For the link
1 0 0 0 1 The Rogue : Nice clue
1 1 0 0 0 The Rogue : Trying to solve Icklejen's first
1 0 0 1 0 Pure as Snow : For solving Icklejen's first
1 0 1 0 0 Wet Kipper : For bringing Scrabble to the table
1 0 1 0 0 Comet : For using the fridge instead
1 0 0 0 1 Chorister : For the link
1 0 1 0 0 Comet : For that brief history of Poe
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More Whimsy for those that love it.
P L U S H Points
2 0 2 0 0 Pure as Snow : Hot Favourite for the "U" prize starts with a winner
2 0 0 -1 0 Wet Kipper : By his own admission
2 0 0 1 0 Icklejen : It is smart to know when you do not know
2 0 0 -1 0 Wet Kipper : Sometimes it is better just to leave it
2 0 0 0 1 Ann : Good attempt to explain the situation
2 1 0 0 0 Chicklegirl : For the link
2 0 0 1 0 Wet Kipper : For correctly identifying the true culprits
2 0 1 0 0 Jonah the Whale : For that bit about juggling
2 0 0 1 0 The Rogue : Touting for more anagrams
2 0 1 0 0 Sharkshooter : You seriously use blanks for that?
2 0 1 0 0 Comet : For completely confusing me (but I did do it!)
2 0 1 0 0 Jedijudy : Good question, and better than any of mine
2 0 0 0 1 Chicklegirl : For that marriage guidance speech
2 0 0 1 0 Caty the Southerner : Good purchase
2 0 0 0 1 Icklejen : "Scrabble to the sick" award
2 1 0 0 0 Smudgie : You? Give it a miss? LOL
2 0 0 1 0 Rugasaw : Good advice
2 0 0 0 1 Lady A : Entering on behalf of Smudgie
2 0 0 1 0 Caty the Southerner : For giving us hope on an allegorical dew
2 0 0 0 1 Caty the Southerner : For that most useful link
2 0 0 1 1 Hart : Thank you for that reminder of an unwritten rule
2 0 0 1 0 Jonah the Whale : It is smart to admit when you make a mistake
2 1 0 0 0 Caty the Southerner : I absolutely love it when people get the right answer the wrong way
2 0 0 0 1 Golden Key : For the link
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The more questions I ask the more I ask fewer questions.
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The wise person does not know all the answers, but always asks the right questions.
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