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FreeJack
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I haven't heard much about Ralph Nader and any other fringe candidates (such as the Russ Perot types).
Does that mean they are polling really badly?
Could Nader still cost Obama in a few marginal Democrat states?
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
I find it amusing that Palin might run for president in 2012. The year is reputed to be tough enough already!
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Glad you're amused. The prospect scares the shit out of me. With four years of party grooming, she might actually come off as credible by then, and the American voter is not known for her/his long memory. Worse, Obama, should he win, is going to face steep challenges whose outworkings may leave Palin's constituents deeply disgruntled.
Fasten seat belts, fellow Americans. I think we're in for a very bumpy ride for the next 4-12 years.
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tclune
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Originally posted by FreeJack:
I haven't heard much about Ralph Nader and any other fringe candidates (such as the Russ Perot types).
Does that mean they are polling really badly?
Could Nader still cost Obama in a few marginal Democrat states?
Nader is not likely to make much difference this year. The thing that seems to be worrying Republicans is that Bob Barr may siphon enough votes from McCain to let Obama squeek out Georgia. But I suspect that that is unlikely, too.
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Zwingli
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Barr hasn't been campaigning that well, and a lot of libertarians aren't especially enthused about him.
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Alogon
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Ron Paul is on the ballot in Montana and could subtract enough votes from McCain to give the state to Obama.
Thus far in Oregon, where all voting is by mail, the rate of incoming ballots is surprising: lower than in 2004-- although the reporter speculates that this may be because voters now more accustomed to the procedure will wait a little longer to return their forms. More surprising still is that the percentage of returned ballots is lowest in the "reddest" counties.
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Is the lower voter turnout so far in red counties really that surprising?
It may be that the Republican voters are not excited about McCain and not happy with Bush, so are not participating as in the past.
Conversely, the early turnout in states with early voting elsewhere has been for the most part pro-Obama, and it may just be that the conservative vote will come in later.
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IconiumBound
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posted by OG TTTK
I'm beginning to wonder why the campaign finance thing is an issue in this case. I get why it would be if the money was mostly coming from special interest groups. But, isn't most of Obama's money coming from individuals?
I heard recently on MSNBC that Obama's total were composed of 75% from the insurance and investment bank community. I hope it doesn't mean he has sold out; of course, maybe they don't expect anything in return
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agrgurich
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Originally posted by IconiumBound:
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posted by OG TTTK
I'm beginning to wonder why the campaign finance thing is an issue in this case. I get why it would be if the money was mostly coming from special interest groups. But, isn't most of Obama's money coming from individuals?
I heard recently on MSNBC that Obama's total were composed of 75% from the insurance and investment bank community. I hope it doesn't mean he has sold out; of course, maybe they don't expect anything in return
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Alogon
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Originally posted by Choirboy:
Is the lower voter turnout so far in red counties really that surprising?
It may be that the Republican voters are not excited about McCain and not happy with Bush, so are not participating as in the past.
Of course, this is the explanation that we would prefer, and we wouldn't find such good sense surprising.
But it is surprising given that the Republicans have usually been the more successful party in "getting out the vote" of those registered.
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Hiro's Leap
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Originally posted by IconiumBound:
I heard recently on MSNBC that Obama's total were composed of 75% from the insurance and investment bank community. I hope it doesn't mean he has sold out; of course, maybe they don't expect anything in return
Here's Obama's highest 20 donors (highest contributions first):
- University of California
- Goldman Sachs
- Harvard University
- Microsoft Corp
- Google Inc
- JPMorgan Chase & Co
- Citigroup Inc
- National Amusements Inc
- Time Warner
- Sidley Austin LLP
- Stanford University
- Skadden, Arps et al
- Wilmerhale Llp
- UBS AG
- Latham & Watkins
- Columbia University
- Morgan Stanley
- IBM Corp
- University of Chicago
- US Government
Here's McCain's top 20:
- Merrill Lynch
- Citigroup Inc
- Morgan Stanley
- Goldman Sachs
- JPMorgan Chase & Co
- US Government
- AT&T Inc
- Credit Suisse Group
- PricewaterhouseCoopers
- Blank Rome LLP
- Wachovia Corp
- US Army
- UBS AG
- Bank of America
- Greenberg Traurig LLP
- Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher
- US Dept of Defense
- FedEx Corp
- Lehman Brothers
- Bear Stearns
As I understand it, organisations don't contribute - the figures are from individuals, but then bundled into organisations. Is that right?
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tclune
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Originally posted by Hiro's Leap:
As I understand it, organisations don't contribute - the figures are from individuals, but then bundled into organisations. Is that right?
I've wondered about this myself. I have made a couple of small donations over the internet to the Obama campaign, and have not been asked about any company affiliation. It appears to be that the donors have wanted to make their work affiliation known to the campaign. But it may also be the case that you have to provide more information for contributions that exceed some threshold.
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basso
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
In recent weeks, it has saddened me to see John McCain, who is a decent and honourable man [...]
I used to think that of him. I'm sorry to say that I think he has forfeited all personal honor by his conduct of this campaign.
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Choirboy
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Originally posted by Alogon:
Of course, this is the explanation that we would prefer, and we wouldn't find such good sense surprising.
Well, you did chop off the last part of my post where I gave the favorable interpretation in the other direction. Whether that means I'm fair and balanced (fairly unbalanced?) or lacking good sense, I leave as an exercise for the reader. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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But it is surprising given that the Republicans have usually been the more successful party in "getting out the vote" of those registered.
The Republicans keep saying that, but I don't know if it is actually true. In recent elections, they have outnumbered registered Democrats, so may not be any better than Democrats at getting out the vote. That is not true this year, of course.
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Robert Armin
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Hiro's Leap, even if organisations don't contribute, but individuals are bundled together depending upon for whom they work, I am amazed to see three Universities named in Obama's list. How much do academics get paid on your side of the pond?
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Hiro's Leap
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Originally posted by Robert Armin:
How much do academics get paid on your side of the pond?
I'm on the good ol' Blighty side, and they don't get a huge amount. But the figures also seem to include donations from the family of people at the organisations. I imagine those universities are vast, and some of the students' parents will be moderately well off.
Still, it's an impressive figure, and shows the level of commitment Obama's been able to inspire. (I'm not too keen on the idea of candidates fund-raising in the first place, but that's a different issue.)
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Hiro's Leap
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Even more impressively, Obama's lowest sum raised on the list (US Government, $400,819) is higher than McCain's #1 donation (Merrill Lynch, $359,070).
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Amazing Grace
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Re the donations:
If you give over a certain total amount (I think it's $200), you are required to disclose your employer. I had to put mine on my No On 8 donation. Doesn't mean that my employer has an official opinion on the proposition one way or another.
I don't think that, say, UC is necessarily "bundling", just that a lot of people ponying up work for them.
For those of you outside the US, California is the campaign cash cow. Fundraisers loooove us.* We haven't seen any action since the primary except for fundraisers. Biden was here recently even though the state is > +15 for Obama ... schmoozing in two extremely well-off Bay Area neighborhoods.
* Speaker Pelosi was a party fundraiser before the Congress seat she's in now opened up. She still knows a lot of people here .
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Presleyterian
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tclune wrote: I have made a couple of small donations over the internet to the Obama campaign, and have not been asked about any company affiliation.
That's funny, because I was. When I tried to contribute without it, I was told that disclosure of my employer was mandatory. (It makes sense since the FEC wants to make sure Amalgamated Multinational, Inc., isn't evading the corporate spending limitations by giving their 10,000 minimum wage workers $1000 each to contribute to the candidate of the corporation's choice.)
As for why the University of California shows up as such a big donor, I don't think it's the parents since they're not employees. The UC System may well be one of the biggest employers in the state and the vast majority of them aren't academics. The University owns the biggest hospitals in California, to say nothing of their research labs, software development subsidiaries, publishing house, real estate holdings, etc. So the contributions of the employees of all those affiliated institutions -- from groundskeepers to surgeons -- will show up as "University of California."
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Amazing Grace
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Crosspost with Presleytarian - she's right about a lot of people working for UC. The admin assistant or grad student sending in $20 a month and a physician at one of the teaching hospitals (note the plural) contributing the individual maximum have the same employer.
Charlotte
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New Yorker
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I can't wait for McCain and Palin to win. Then these automated calls will stop. 5 today alone! Urr. Are they an American only phenomenon or are they used in other countries?
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comet
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Originally posted by New Yorker:
I can't wait for McCain and Palin to win. Then these automated calls will stop. 5 today alone! Urr.
OMG! you mean if Obama wins the robocalls will continue? oh say it ain't so!
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I've had no home phone for the last 4 months of this campaign. it's GREAT. I may disconnect my home phone again in four years.
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cliffdweller
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Or you can just move to a state that's not a "swing state". Doesn't matter if it's red or blue, as long as it's decisively in one column or the other. Here in California we've had no robo-calls at all, and relatively few ads (at least for the presidency-- our initiative system insures a steady stream of ads about those). I've had one or two calls from pollsters, that's it.
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comet
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we're not a swing state by a long shot, but the calls seem to be pretty steady from what I've heard. I think it's the statewide/local elections mostly, though.
Stevens is hitting it hard for the first time in his career.
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ChastMastr
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Originally posted by comet:
OMG! you mean if Obama wins the robocalls will continue? oh say it ain't so!
It... it would be painful to endure the robocalls every day as a trade-off for Obama to win, but it would be worth it. Every time the phone rang, I'd lie back and think of England, or something.
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Pigwidgeon
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I'm not in a swing state so my calls aren't about the presidential candidates. There are LOTS of them, however, from local and state candidates and about the propositions. Caller ID and Call Blocking are wonderful.
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Timothy the Obscure
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If you vote early (as we can in Oregon--vote by mail is a wonderful thing)--the calls stop.
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Clint Boggis
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Originally posted by New Yorker:
Then these automated calls will stop. 5 today alone! Urr. Are they an American only phenomenon or are they used in other countries?
Those calls would really annoy me. I don't recall getting a political call in 20 years with my own landline living here in England. They can happen and one party's calls got into the news a couple of months ago.
Isn't there some way to opt out? I've been on a list to stop unsolicted calls for a couple of years now but I don't know if it stops politicians.
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Zwingli
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We don't really have them here; I can't imagine them encouraging anyone to vote for the party which used such a technique.
As a free market capitalist, I might just tolerate them, provided they were from an actual person and outsourced to some foreign country with low wages. Anything which raises demand for labour, and hence wages, in India can't be all bad, and discussing Australian politics with a foreigner would be more interesting than talking to some local party hack.
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tclune
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Originally posted by Clint Boggis:
Isn't there some way to opt out? I've been on a list to stop unsolicted calls for a couple of years now but I don't know if it stops politicians.
The do-not-call list does not apply to political speech. What a surprise that a law would exempt politicians. Anyway, both candidates promise that they will stop if you contact them. McCain includes a number to call in his phone messages, and Obama will stop if you contact him on his internet site. So, if you give them what they want, they'll stop hurting you...
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Twilight
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I expect the calls to double over the next four days for all those short term thinkers who go along with the last thing they heard.
I don't mind anymore, I'm just so excited!
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trouty
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Does anyone think McCain will make a comeback? How accurate are the polls and will they change?
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Nope.
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Soror Magna
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Originally posted by Zwingli:
...As a free market capitalist, I might just tolerate them, provided they were from an actual person and outsourced to some foreign country with low wages. Anything which raises demand for labour, and hence wages, in India can't be all bad, and discussing Australian politics with a foreigner would be more interesting than talking to some local party hack.
There's no person on the other end of a robocall, Zwingli. The phone rings, you pick it up and say "hello", and a recorded message plays. You can listen or hang up. If there is a voice menu at the end of the call, you might get to talk to a real person about making a campaign contribution. And that's not likely to be someone in an overseas call centre. OliviaG
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FreeJack
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Originally posted by comet:
Stevens is hitting it hard for the first time in his career.
I thought his career was over?
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Originally posted by trouty:
Does anyone think McCain will make a comeback? How accurate are the polls and will they change?
Listen to the oddsmakers - para 3 in this link. Remember they are only in it for the money. As of yesterday, McCain was 6 to 1, Obama 9 to 1 on. Which kind of reflects the polls, particularly the state polls. I guess 6 to 1 is a price to attract loyalists. But I wouldn't if I were you. After looking at the state by state polls, I can't see how McCain can possibly win.
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Pigwidgeon
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I have already voted. But that information does not seem to get to the various candidates and party offices in time to stop the calls. (That would be incredibly difficult to do.)
I have e-mailed some of the local people who have left robo-messages and usually get nice replies saying they'll remove me.
I block any number that shows on my Caller I.D.
But why do the candidates and the supporters (and opponents) of propositions think that harrassing people by phone will help their cause? Everyone I know hates getting these calls, especially the robocalls. I volunteered two years ago to help with a candidate's campaign and said I would do anything except make phone calls. But every time they asked for help, it was to make phone calls. I'm on the e-mail list for our Legislative District Democrats -- they are constantly asking for people to work the phone banks. ISTM they do more harm than good.
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comet
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Originally posted by FreeJack:
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Originally posted by comet:
Stevens is hitting it hard for the first time in his career.
I thought his career was over?
apparently they forgot to tell him that.
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Mamacita
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Now I'm really looking forward to working the phone banks at the local Dem HQ on Monday. I'll be working at the polls on Tuesday. (I voted earlier in the week and was the 5,361st person to vote at that particular polling place.)
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Zwingli
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Originally posted by OliviaG:
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Originally posted by Zwingli:
...As a free market capitalist, I might just tolerate them, provided they were from an actual person and outsourced to some foreign country with low wages. Anything which raises demand for labour, and hence wages, in India can't be all bad, and discussing Australian politics with a foreigner would be more interesting than talking to some local party hack.
There's no person on the other end of a robocall, Zwingli.
I know, that's why I said provided they were from an actual person. I don't mind telesales calls too much, provided they are from foreigners who can barely speak English, at least they are more interesting than Australians. I had an Indian lady call on behalf of my bank once, when I was about three quarters drunk; we had a nice chat, during which she sold me insurance, after I had very carefully checked and confirmed that there was a cooling off period.
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RuthW
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
But why do the candidates and the supporters (and opponents) of propositions think that harrassing people by phone will help their cause? Everyone I know hates getting these calls, especially the robocalls.
They do the robocalls because they're extremely cheap (though they don't work). They do the regular calls because they work.
I worked the phone bank for No on 8 (Prop 8 the proposition to ban on gay marriage in California), and I'd do it again in a heartbeat if necessary. When there are a whole bunch of propositions on the ballot, as there frequently are in California (not to mention all the local measures), it really helps to make phone calls and do some voter education. Add in the fact that this one is confusing -- if you're for gay marriage you vote no, not yes -- and phone calls become vital.
Next Tuesday I plan to spend most of the day standing 101 feet away from a polling place and working for No on 8.
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Around here #102 is the same as California's #8. The more signs I see promoting it, the more commercials, the more junk left on my doorknob, the more adamant I am against it (which I have been from the very beginning).
My assumption would be that the pro-102 crowd reacts the same the more anti-102 stuff they hear/see.
(However, I did have a personal conversation with an older woman at church and convinced her to vote No on 102 -- and she's telling her friends as well. One-on-one campaigning with friends and acquaintances is effective.)
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Hmm, robocalls, I think they may actually be illegal for elections over here. Maybe not though - I got one from my union about a strike ballot yesterday. However, we don't let the politicos play.
However, I do remember the fuss when our Prime Minister started personally calling voters.
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Originally posted by RuthW:
Next Tuesday I plan to spend most of the day standing 101 feet away from a polling place and working for No on 8.
Brava, Ruth.
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Zwingli
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I'd love to get a personal call from our Prime Minister. There are some statements that he has made in the past that I would like to hear him attempt to justify, and a phone call would give me the opportunity to respond appropriately should he fail to do so.
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FreeJack
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Around here #102 is the same as California's #8.
You have 102 things to vote on?
No wonder the voters are confused.
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Golden Key
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Good grief, I thought we had it bad here in SF. 12 state things, 22 city, plus assorted people to decide on. And some things are very, very tricky to figure out.
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nickel
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Am I the only one who doesn't mind robocalls? at least the four I've gotten recently were within decent early evening hours, and when I *click* they're gone. And the one from Joe Biden -- well, he has such a warm hearty greeting, I couldn't help but smile (really!)
What I'd like to know is this: if I let the call run its full course, am I costing that campaign any extra money?
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basso
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Originally posted by FreeJack:
You have 102 things to vote on?
No wonder the voters are confused.
In California, they keep the sequence of propositions running so even if there's a handful of measures on the ballot, they might be numbered in the 200s.
I was looking forward to seeing which measure got assigned to Proposition 666, but they started again at 1 before that could happen.
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