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India actually enforce the follow-on in the 2nd Test at the SSC in Colombo - with a first innings lead of 400+ I think they should be okay.

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At the end of Day 3 Sri Lanka trail by 230 with 8 wickets left - but India, of course, have the chance to bat again if required. I still think/hope it won't be necessary, but...

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There is something so satisfying about a victory of An innings and... - as long as it is occasional rather than the norm.

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quote:
Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
There is something so satisfying about a victory of An innings and... - as long as it is occasional rather than the norm.

Indeed, India superior in all departments but great centuries at the top of SL order. Makes you think the bowling is the biggie.
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England crush RSA after a great fighting knock by Hasem Amla. Quite a few parallels wth what India did to SL.

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Yes, it was a good victory.

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Yes, it was a good victory.

India v Sri Lanka was, but that was match between two teams that can bat. Neither England nor South Africa can do that very well. You could dream up a combined top six from England and South Africa that would be fortunate to pass 60.

[ 08. August 2017, 15:29: Message edited by: Sioni Sais ]

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I think that's a bit harsh Sioni. As the @51AllOut twitter account put it the other day, get England four down and you're into the batsmen! [Biased]

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I suppose 134/0 by lunch on the first day is not too bad!

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329/6 is not quite as good as I would have hoped/expected at Stumps on Day 1 but it is what it is.

Meanwhile India U19 are not doing so well against England U19: 185/3 after 34 overs but I have no idea how good the England team are these days.

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India U19 finished their 50 overs on 327/7, so not too bad after all.

Now what can England do in reply?

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Erm, not a lot seemed to be the answer. India seem to be whitewashing the England U19 team...

...and in the Test series Sri Lanka seem to be heading the same way - SL all out for 135 [in under a day] in reply to 480+ - surely a good case for the follow on, again.


eta: India look to have enforced the follow on - now we need to get a wicket or two before stumps!

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Are you enjoying the trouncing, Wodders, or is it a bit boring being so one-sided? (I mean the test, but the U19s series ain't much cop either, indeed!).

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I nthink the Indian team has done well BUT it needs a challenge if it is to improve and Sri Lanka aren't offering any of that. Winning this way is fun but I really prefer something less one sided.

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I nthink the Indian team has done well BUT it needs a challenge if it is to improve and Sri Lanka aren't offering any of that. Winning this way is fun but I really prefer something less one sided.

I'm wondering who can provide that. Probably England in England, where the ball moves around or Australia if they get four quick bowlers fit and some fast pitches.
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The last time India visited Oz, Oz won but India have improved since then though Aussie pitches do somewhat negate a spin attack.
An England vs India in England ATM would be interesting. Indian batting may not be so great on seaming wickets. India have already shown that they are unbeatable at home.

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As I type, Cook is at 183.

Which raises a question: what are the most runs that a single batsman has run up in a test match?

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Highest single test innings is Lara's 400. I believe that Gooch's 333 +123 is the highest total in a test match.

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England too good for windies. No wonder when most of their best players are back in Caribbean playing 20/20!
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Even as an England supporter, I find that a bit embarrassing.

I too think Gooch may well have the record for most runs in a single test match. I'm pretty sure that he's the only batsman to follow a triple century in the first innings with a ton in the second.

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Well you tell me: Have the West Indies improved or were England dreadful? My opinion is that England had this of thing coming - they can't rely on the middle order getting them out of trouble and they were lucky that the West Indies dropped so many chances because they could have been out for less than 150. At least the West Indies bowling looked better, with Shannon Gabriel dangerous and Kemar Roach far better in a supporting role than leading the attack.
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Please let England be dreadful. I'm looking forward to the Ashes this summer, and two-day bloodbaths are my preferred outcome. Also, we are no great shakes at the moment, although team unity should be high after the recent industrial win.

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I don't know about the rest of you, but I am quite looking forward to Day 4 of England-West Indies.

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I don't know about the rest of you, but I am quite looking forward to Day 4 of England-West Indies.

Day 3 was supposed to be decisive but I think Day 4 really will be. And the weather looks set fair which on a Bank Holiday in Yorkshire is unusual.
It all hinges on who is batting at the teatime break (4 hours more play) If the West Indies are in then they ought to win, but if England are still in, they should. I can't believe England will bowl so badly again and 200 won't be an easy target.

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Two words for you today:
Moeen. Ali.

(Okay, you can have Root and Joe as well if you really insist!)

What a performance!

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Whatever, it is great to see this game progressing to Day 4. Well done on a fightback with the bat by England.
I cannot help thinking that Root was lucky not to be given out LBW early on day 3 when he was 23 or so but I guess you ride your luck with the technology as well.
Day 3 was England's day.
I guess when a test match goes into day 4 and 5 it is who is less fatigued.
I'd love to see the Windies make a go of it.
England really need to be made to pay for that pathetic 1st innings.

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Whatever, it is great to see this game progressing to Day 4. Well done on a fightback with the bat by England.
I cannot help thinking that Root was lucky not to be given out LBW early on day 3 when he was 23 or so but I guess you ride your luck with the technology as well.
Day 3 was England's day.
I guess when a test match goes into day 4 and 5 it is who is less fatigued.
I'd love to see the Windies make a go of it.
England really need to be made to pay for that pathetic 1st innings.

England have been left off the hook by some pretty ordinary captaincy by Jason Holder (mostly the wrong bowlers at the wrong time) plus woeful catching. I thing the West Indies dropped or missed nine chances, probably the extent of England's lead.
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I'd love to see the Windies make a go of it.

All things considered, I think we can say that they made a go of it.

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I'd love to see the Windies make a go of it.

All things considered, I think we can say that they made a go of it.
Indeed!
Many things to be said about some of English tactics.
Were they arrogant?
Declaration? Why not bat on, it was only day 3.
Alistair Cook..hero to zero..2 drops
England bowled well but what happened to the catchers?Broad and Anderson will be justifiably angry after that.

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quote:
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Declaration? Why not bat on, it was only day 3.

[Confused] I believe the declaration was made late on Day 4. According to the BBC:
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Captain Joe Root declared with England on 490-8 in their second innings late on day four, giving West Indies six tricky overs to negotiate before the close.
Declaring made sense to me at the time. If you were confident that you could put the Windies down (and, based on the 19-wickets-in-one-day of the first test match, there was reason to think so), it decreased the chance of a draw. Of course, as it turned out, England would have welcomed a draw. The miscalculation was in thinking that the West Indies were Hope-less.

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Congratulations to the West Indies on the win and especially to Stuart Law and the coaching team for turning the players round after the pounding they took at Edgbaston.
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Declaration? Why not bat on, it was only day 3.

[Confused] I believe the declaration was made late on Day 4. According to the BBC:
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Captain Joe Root declared with England on 490-8 in their second innings late on day four, giving West Indies six tricky overs to negotiate before the close.
Declaring made sense to me at the time. If you were confident that you could put the Windies down (and, based on the 19-wickets-in-one-day of the first test match, there was reason to think so), it decreased the chance of a draw. Of course, as it turned out, England would have welcomed a draw. The miscalculation was in thinking that the West Indies were Hope-less.

Sorry, my mistake, got days wrong. The expert commentators backed Root in the declaration so obviously it was an OK decision. It was certainly a great run chase.

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Test cricket is a wonderful thing! Hot on the heels of the West Indies beating England in a calm run chase featuring a young batsman, who was the first *ever* to score a hundred in both innings of any first class match at Headingley*, Bangladesh beat Australia! I know Australia haven't had to look far for trouble recently and they have an ordinary record in the sub-continent, but this makes me wonder if England and Australia will be playing for the wooden spoon rather than the Ashes.

*There have been over 500 first-class matches at Headingley and an awful lot of very good players have played a lot of cricket there. The pitch and conditions haven't always been as batting-friendly as this week, but Hope and Brathwaite won this match with proper Test match batting.

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Of all the things that should never happen on the field of play, the firing of arrows is one I never expected to be outraged by. Glad that no one appears to be hurt, though it'll bugger up the buses in the area so will make for a slow commute home tonight.

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Well, anyone with tickets for the Sunday at Lords might as well ask for a refund now! If the weather at Lords was anything like in Oxfordshire (grey and humid), the ball will have been going round corners.

Meanwhile it looks as though the top of the table clash between Essex & Lancs will be a draw, which will suit Essex no end. I'm desperate for them to win the title, but it will tear me apart because the person I want to chew it over with most isn't here to do so any more. [Frown]

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Well, anyone with tickets for the Sunday at Lords might as well ask for a refund now! If the weather at Lords was anything like in Oxfordshire (grey and humid), the ball will have been going round corners.

AG

That's what Ben Stokes was doing for a while - at about 85 mph, swinging in, pitch middle, cut away to hit off. How do you play that? TRJ wasn't far behind and Broad looked decidedly mediocre alongside those two and Anderson.

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And we've done it - first county championship since 1992!

[Yipee] [Yipee] [Yipee] [Yipee] [Yipee] and a little tear for Dad [Tear]

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Congrats!

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Looks like England's Ben Stokes is trying to overtake Australia's David Warner and New Zealand's Jesse Ryder as the World most unstable cricketer.

Stokes has a track record for this sort of thing, having been sent home from an England Lions tour.

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Well, some papers are reporting that he and Alex Hales stepped in to help two men who were being assaulted. I have no idea if that's true, but maybe there are two sides to the story?

A bigger question might be why he (and apparently a whole bunch of the England team) were out in the small hours during the middle of a series.

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Has England fielded a player with a criminal record before? What about organising for him to serve part of his time in Australian jails, so he can play in the tests on day release? We could open up a few of the old convict prisons for him [Smile]

In all seriousness, I hope England does sully itself and pick him. I don't want any excuses.

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