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England Won A Match last night and no England supporter here has written in to acknowledge the fact - not even UnclePete who was hoping they'd win as they must feel dispirited having won nothing all tour except a 50 over tour match against India A.

Now we await the T20 series starting on Sunday.

I was chatting to 19 year old Neighbour Boy last night and he was saying he was disappointed as he wanted India to win every game they played - Welcome to the World of the Cricket Supporter of whatever nation! I am sure that amongst Shippies we have a wealth of experience of disappointment!

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Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
England Won A Match last night and no England supporter here has written in to acknowledge the fact - not even UnclePete who was hoping they'd win as they must feel dispirited having won nothing all tour except a 50 over tour match against India A.

Now we await the T20 series starting on Sunday.

I was chatting to 19 year old Neighbour Boy last night and he was saying he was disappointed as he wanted India to win every game they played - Welcome to the World of the Cricket Supporter of whatever nation! I am sure that amongst Shippies we have a wealth of experience of disappointment!

Given the result of the second match it seems to me that with more self-belief England could have won that. And with only slightly better bowling they would have stood a chance in the first match. It's no coincidence that Ben Stokes played a crucial role for England and he could teach Ian Botham a thing or two about self-belief.

It's a bit like the "dramatic turnaround" in England's rugby fortunes. Get it right in the head and it'll be right on the field.

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A convincing win by England tonight - India just failed to click when batting.

Today was Kanpur, Sunday is Nagpur and the final match of the series is in Bangalore next Wednesday. If India manage a better performance on Sunday and win it will make the Bangalore match far more exciting.

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A convincing win by England tonight - India just failed to click when batting.

Today was Kanpur, Sunday is Nagpur and the final match of the series is in Bangalore next Wednesday. If India manage a better performance on Sunday and win it will make the Bangalore match far more exciting.

For once our bowlers delivered! India got exactly no partnerships while England got off to a flyer (albeit, one that was soon over) followed by one between Root and Morgan that made the most of batting second.

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quote:
Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
I am sure that amongst Shippies we have a wealth of experience of disappointment!

Try being 7 in 1987 and starting your England supportership then. Misery for nearly 2 decades:

- Atherton's great, he's just let down by the rest of them
- Hussein's laying the groundwork for success in 5 years' time
- Gough and Caddick are a world class pace attack
- Jack Russell might not be able to do anything but keep wicket, but he's brilliant at keeping wicket
- Graeme Hick's been picked again...and dropped...and picked....and dropped....and picked...
- Alec Stewart's captaining, keeping wicket and opening the batting; we don't think it's a good idea either but there's no one else (in fairness, he was quite good at pulling the trick off)
- The first coming of Ryan Sidebottom
- 1992, "come on, you can beat Zimbabwe". Oh.
- we've discovered English cricket's new hope; he's called.....Mark Ramprakash
- Alan Wells....Joey Benjamin.....

How any of us fans (or the players, frankly) have got to 2017 without extensive counselling is a complete mystery.

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Originally posted by betjemaniac:
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Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
I am sure that amongst Shippies we have a wealth of experience of disappointment!

Try being 7 in 1987 and starting your England supportership then. Misery for nearly 2 decades:

<litany of False Dawns>

How any of us fans (or the players, frankly) have got to 2017 without extensive counselling is a complete mystery.

Consider yourself lucky. My teens and early twenties were to a backdrop of Lillie'n'Thomson, and terrifying West Indies pace attack plus Sir Viv to murder our bowlers.

We weren't actually bad, but we were consistently second-best.

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quote:
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How any of us fans (or the players, frankly) have got to 2017 without extensive counselling is a complete mystery.

I am one year younger than you, and I find that the experience you share (and also supporting the England rugby team at the same time) have had a noticeable effect on how I feel about sport in general. More recently, I have come to support Chelsea Football Club, and it's a very strange sensation to be supporting a team that actually has a chance of winning things on a regular basis. Last season, when Mourinho imploded and we finished 10th in the league, many other supporters were wailing and gnashing their teeth and I was like "well, it's not that bad..."

So perhaps in lieu of extensive counselling, my self-healing has been to set inexorably low expectations for sporting success. [Help]

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India won by the skin of their teeth last night so Wednesday's match will for England to win a Series or for India to sweep the three titles - it could be a tense finish.

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England were behind the run rate in today's match but ensured defeat in what must be a record collapse!

Eight wickets for eight runs!

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"A nice partnership from Root and Morgan but it was a catastrophe after that."

Isa Guha gets it about right. Even in the dark days of the 1990s...

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The day has arrived. Alastair Cook has stepped down as England Test captain.

Ready for the coronation of Root?

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The day has arrived. Alastair Cook has stepped down as England Test captain.

And he's done well, all things considered. The team is ageing and those who won series against Australia, South Africa and India so recently aren't there or at height of their powers now.
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Ready for the coronation of Root?

In the absence of anyone else, I suppose so. I hope Cook stays around while a new generation of top order players are developed. Now that he's not captain he might feel less inhibited as a batsman.

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The coronation is complete.

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I think it is well-deserved and also that there can have been few others in with a chance - it is almost as if it is his destiny.

In other news India unsurprisingly won the one-off test against Bangladesh by a comfortable margin BUT Bangla in no way disgraced themselves, they are heading towards the formidable.

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I think we will see a result in teh test at Pune. First day: Australia all out for 261 (actually 256/9 overnight). Day 2: India all out for 105! (with Kohli making a duck, and O'Keefe , a spinner who rarely gets a game for Australia taking 6 wickets.) !)

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Suddenly the supposedly wonderful Indian team that hammered England is looking a bit sorry for itself.

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Suddenly the supposedly wonderful Indian team that hammered England is looking a bit sorry for itself.

India lost their last seven wickets for 11 runs. Clearly they have picked something up from England!

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I live in India, I love India and I heartily support India...

BUT...

...it is always good to see hubris punished.

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So India need 441 for victory with seven and a half sessions left which, on recent form, doesn't seem too unreasonable but...

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... 16/2 and blowing both reviews inside 6 overs ain't clever.

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And, I'm spent. That didn't take long, said the actress...

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That's what India get for offering a pitch that spun so hard after about 6 overs on day 1 that the Aussie batters could leave balls to spin harmlessly past them. A decisive and surprising win, but well deserved on the way the play went.

But the question still remains: why is Mitch Marsh (an "all rounder" who didn't bowl a single over) still in the side at the expense of one of the Australian batters most in form over the southern summer , namely Khawaja?

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Possibly the nicest Yorkshireman of my lifetime has died. John Hampshire, a very stylish batsman who never got enough opportunities to play for England. Even my mum liked him and she was even more Red Rose than me.

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Yes, he was a distinctive man and a great umpite - I think I saw him play for Yorkshire against a Windies XI at the Scarborough Cricket Festival sometime back in the Dark Ages when I was but of a slip of a lad in my 20s.

* * * *

Invincible India!

What a sick joke that is!

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I can't wait for England to pitch up in Australia... [Help]

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I see that http://cricketarchive.com/ now has a paywall. I shall not pay. I wonder if the hidden site is advert free.

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In the third test at Ranchi, Australia almost imitated one of England's recent matches, making 450 on the first innings, only to see India bat right past that to declare at 600/9, of which Pujara made a slow but chanceless 200. But then, unlike England, Australia averted a collapse on the last day and held on for a draw.

So with 1 win apiece so far, it should be interesting in the fourth and last test, with bragging rights very much in play. .

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Sure enough , at the end of day 2 in the fourth and last test of the series between India and Australia still looks evenly poised, and with it the series as a whole.

Australia collapsed from 130/1 at lunch on the first day to be all out for 300, but India have also struggled to make a big score and are now 248/6.

And I must say that although the ground at Dharamsala may not have anything like the seating capacity of Eden Park (Calcutta) it is certainly more picturesque - with a beautiful backdrop comparable to that of Worcester. (See photo.)

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Unfortunately Australia collapsed on day 3, with Smith unable on this occasion to make more than one century in the match, and none of the other batters contributing much. So India won the match by lunchtime on day 4, and with it the series. But they did feel that Australia had pushed them harder at home than most of their recent opponents (naming no names).

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A quote from the middle:

In an IPL match last night Pant and Samson shared a blitzkrieg partnership of 143 [for Delhi Daredevils] and, apparently, when Samson was thinking of slowing down a bit after scoring back to back sixes Pant met him mid-pitch and said:

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Brother, don't think too much, just keep hitting!
Delhi Daredevils went on to chase down Gujarat Lions 208, finishing on 214.

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Anyone paying any attention to the Champion's Trophy? Apparently it starts today.

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I'm keeping half an eye on it - at least in part to see how many players England can injure. But it's not The Real Thing.

Mind you, my boss has India vs Pakistan already committed to memory.

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Here's hoping India v Pakistan is a blinder today.

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It's looking good so far - India 162/1 after 30 overs.

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Now I'm not so sure, they'll have to keep their bowling tight when Pakistan are in.

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And do something to appease the rain gods!

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Well if you will schedule tournaments in the monsoon season (for the uninitiated, the monsoon in England runs from January 1st to December 31st, with peaks on Bank Holiday Mondays).

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Very sad to see Pakistan collapse so ignominiously but delighted with an Indian victory.

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England looked pretty good in beating New Zealand yesterday. And the game provided more evidence that one day cricket is much more engaging when there is a bit in the pitch for the bowlers.

And next, bring on the Aussies. It would be wonderful to dump them out of the tournament!

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I live quite near Sophia Gardens. To be honest, the weather conditions must have played their part in yesterday's match: it rained for most of the morning and was very blustery all day.

I guess the England players are more used to that then the Kiwis!

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South Africa did themselves no favours and have allowed me to be pleased that Pakistan have got themselves some points [but not too many!] and now we have Indian v the Lankans - Heaven alone knows how this will resolve itself; Lanka is not the most predictable team on the planet!

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They were, and what an interesting state that makes of the points table for group B.

Meanwhile in Group A, the Aussies are in second place without winning a game...

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Bangladesh were a bit of a surprise last night - when they were 33/4 I decided it was a foregone conclusion and went to bed and it seems I missed a bit of a show...

...and they had 2.4 overs left!

Today's game should be interesting - if it was being held here, where it is set fair to rain all day, Australia would already be out of it.

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I know England don't need to win today's game but 33/2 after 5.2 overs?!?!

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Australia lost after a great fight by England and then the rains came and then much celebrating in Bangladesh as they enter the semifinals.

I felt it was a very T S Eliot type ending for the Aussies - not with a bang but a whimper!

Can Smith's captaincy survive?

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C'mon South Africa, you can do better than 191 all out in 44.3 overs! Mind you India have to bat yet but still...

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...then India win in just 38 overs for the loss of 2 wickets. There have been precious few tight finishes this time.

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England were put in to bat and were 211 all out!

Let's see what Pakistan can do about this.

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What a woeful display by England!

If things run to form today the final looks like being India v. Pakistan - but will they run to form?

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Oh, England. Bottled it again. But well played Pakistan - head and shoulders the better team and they fully deserved it.

I can't imagine that India will be so casual about their game today though...

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