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Apologies to Golden Key and Pidwidgeon and others - I should have realised that not everyone grew up on Dr.Who like I did!

Albertus - yes. It might be worth noting though that the rise of far-right sentiment is not restricted to the USA or UK........Unfortunately.

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It probably isn't worth the effort to mention even more examples of Comrade Trump's blatant hypocrisy, but this report from that well-known liberal bastion, Forbes, makes me grind my teeth in frustration.

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The BBC reports Pussygrabber's latest infamy (well, news to me, at any rate):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39047883

Are there no depths to which this orange slug will not stoop in order to make already challenging lives that much more difficult? The infantile dictator is now busily pulling the wings off flies...

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The privacy of girls trumps that of transgender people. And he's flipflopped on it, giving in to Republican pressure.
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The kind of privacy the Pussygrabber gave those girls in the changing rooms...??

Bastard.

May he rot in the lowest and slimiest Malbolge of Hell, with his privy members changing from one gender to another all the time.

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May he grab and find male members. May he grab and find vagina dentata.
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[Two face] [Two face]

Not sure why I'm getting so uptight about transgender issues. It's not a subject with which I am at all familiar, and as far as I know, I'm not acquainted with anyone who is transgender.

It just seems to me that Pussygrabber is bent (no pun intended) on pooping on just about everyone who really could do with not being pooped on more than they are already.

Quite a contrast to his predecessor in office, no?

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quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
The privacy of girls trumps that of transgender people.

In the US, almost all women's (and girls') restrooms have individual stalls with locking doors. The few that don't (usually in parks or campgrounds) were undoubtedly designed by men, and in my experience, most women avoid using them if at all possible (I'd rather use a dodgy ports-potty). If you're worried about girls' privacy, the easiest/cheapest/least intrusive solution is simply to legislate that all women's restrooms (as well as men's I suppose-- I'll let the guys decide if they want urinals to be "use at your own risk") have locking stall doors.

Problem solved.

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quote:
Originally posted by cliffdweller:
quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
The privacy of girls trumps that of transgender people.

In the US, almost all women's (and girls') restrooms have individual stalls with locking doors. The few that don't (usually in parks or campgrounds) were undoubtedly designed by men, and in my experience, most women avoid using them if at all possible (I'd rather use a dodgy ports-potty). If you're worried about girls' privacy, the easiest/cheapest/least intrusive solution is simply to legislate that all women's restrooms (as well as men's I suppose-- I'll let the guys decide if they want urinals to be "use at your own risk") have locking stall doors.

Problem solved.

Well, this is certainly one of the few times when conservatives and the alt right care about the rights or feelings of women in an issue.

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It is difficult for them to choose, who it is more important to oppress and denigrate. Decisions, decisions.

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Suppose a person who was listed as female on her birth certificate has transgendered to male. He's now a full-grown, macho, muscular man. Would Trump want him in the same restroom as his granddaughters, just because his birth certificate says 'female'?

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It isn't about reason or logic. It is using fear-mongering to pander to their base.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Suppose a person who was listed as female on her birth certificate has transgendered to male. He's now a full-grown, macho, muscular man. Would Trump want him in the same restroom as his granddaughters, just because his birth certificate says 'female'?

I'm wondering what the reaction would be from security staff and others if they saw such a person going into the Ladies' room.

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Frankly, from Lyin' Don's point of view, it would solely depend upon the hotness of the person in question. A two or below? Ungropeable, and therefore of no interest.

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quote:
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It isn't about reason or logic. It is using fear-mongering to pander to their base.

And of undoing what Obama did, good or bad, irrespective of how much sense it makes.

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quote:
Originally posted by cliffdweller:
In the US, almost all women's (and girls') restrooms have individual stalls with locking doors. The few that don't (usually in parks or campgrounds) were undoubtedly designed by men, and in my experience, most women avoid using them if at all possible (I'd rather use a dodgy ports-potty). If you're worried about girls' privacy, the easiest/cheapest/least intrusive solution is simply to legislate that all women's restrooms (as well as men's I suppose-- I'll let the guys decide if they want urinals to be "use at your own risk") have locking stall doors.

Problem solved.

Sorry - US public 'bathrooms' (in which you don't bath), 'restrooms' (in which you only rest for a very short while, if at all) or toilets have always been a mystery to me. Are you saying that men's cubicle doors don't lock? And sometimes women's don't either? Are there doors or cubicles at all, or just rows of loos without any privacy?

Would that be the case for places like restaurants or supermarkets or shopping centres or petrol stations, or schools?

This European perhaps doesn't grasp the full extent of the story. It sounds right hellish in itself, and 'Roman very public loos' to me. Thanks for elucidating! [Confused]

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Are you saying that men's cubicle doors don't lock? And sometimes women's don't either? Are there doors or cubicles at all, or just rows of loos without any privacy?

In almost all places, cubicle doors lock.

Occasionally, I have encountered a swinging door that acts as a privacy screen, but does not have a lock. Those are very rare (and usually at campgrounds and similar places).

I've never seen a roman-style multi-seat shitting facility. I don't think they exist.

(Almost all US cubicles have a half-inch or inch-sized gap around the sides of the door, which makes the privacy on offer mostly illusory. In the UK, doors are usually built so there's no gap.)

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OK.
In your house, in the US, mostly you have a bathroom with one door that locks. This (usually small) room has a toilet, a sink and a tub or shower. You share it with whoever you live with; if your domicile is big enough you have two so the kids can have their own, the guest room, etc.

In small restaurants there is usually two rooms of this type, one labeled Men and the other Women. There won't be a tub/shower but there will be a toilet and a sink. The door locks; you go in and lock it, which indicates to people that it is occupied. Very similar to the ones on airplanes.

In bigger restaurants the door is still labeled Men or Women, but they do not lock. When you go in there are a couple stalls, each containing a toilet. These stalls do lock, usually with a simple latch. A restaurant with a heavy male clientele (sports bars etc.) will have a urinal or two on the walls.

In really large venues (concert halls, huge restaurants, amusement parks, etc.) there are long rows of stalls; the men's room has a long row of urinals. Think of airports or train stations.

What this means is that it is usually not possible to make a bathroom rule applying to everybody. Any change, especially involving replumbing, is very expensive. A sensible polity would invoke the MYOB rule. I do not want to know what you are doing in the bathroom, and you ought to have no interest in what I do. We all avert our eyes and quietly shut the stall doors; when we emerge we wash our hands without comment.

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Thanks for taking me by the (properly washed) hand (wish we could say the same of the PG-in-Chief!), clearing up some of the mystery.

I must have had the unlockable swinging doors in mind, having seen them somewhere. I certainly sympathise with the MYOB rule Brenda puts forward. The gaps mentioned, and visible e.g. here also below the stalls, I'd find really irritating. It's perhaps less so the privacy - well, others could certainly look underneath! - but simply: where do you put your bag? (Sometimes you have stuff with you!) Couldn't just anyone reach in and grab your laptop or other possessions, except perhaps in the corner one - I'd deffo go for that if I had to 'go'! (The pic seems to be from a college.)

All doubts still haven't been flushed yet, I'm afraid to say. Let's just hope this isn't a floater.

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Brenda Clough
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Most stall doors have a hook on the back, upon which you can hang your bag. There may also be a fold-down flap onto which you can set stuff. The open space under the walls/doors is especially common in schools, so that supervisors can see what the kids are getting up to in there; it also allows the floors to be easily hosed down (there is often a drain in the floor of the room). Do you remember the famous 'wide stance' incident here in the US? In which the firebreathing GOP congressman was accused of soliciting gay sex by sticking his foot under the barrier and tapping the foot of the guy sitting on the toilet in the next stall. I should think that male-on-male solicitation of this type is far more common than transgender incidents.

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Simple solution - make all loos unisex with cubicles all round, don't bother with urinals, they are not needed.

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quote:
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Are you saying that men's cubicle doors don't lock? And sometimes women's don't either? Are there doors or cubicles at all, or just rows of loos without any privacy?

In my travels through America, I have encountered cubicles with no door at all. Generally in remote or dodgy areas. I would guess the purpose is to not allow a concealed place for drugs use/exchange and/or sex.
My anecdotal evidence is that this is more common in the men's than the ladies. The lack of doors, that is.

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The only place I've seen doorless stalls in public women's rooms in the U.S. is on Waikiki Beach many years ago (don't know if they still have them). I assume the doors were removed because of illegal activity, but using one while wearing a one-piece swimsuit is horrid.

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Only the most casual or dodgy facilities have no door, in the US. Sometimes to prevent crime, sometimes because of vandals. As you may easily gather from the news stories, we are a shy people. It is enlightening to go to China and see the facilities there.

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quote:
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The only place I've seen doorless stalls in public women's rooms in the U.S. is on Waikiki Beach many years ago (don't know if they still have them). I assume the doors were removed because of illegal activity, but using one while wearing a one-piece swimsuit is horrid.

Decision made by men, I assume.*
Those I encountered were mostly in the desert South-west at remote, low visitor tourist sites so one is spared that level of indignity at least.

*Before anybody gets their budgy-smugglers in a twist, I mean out of ignorance not necessarily misogyny.

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quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
don't bother with urinals, they are not needed.

They are much more efficient. By installing urinals, you can take several times the amount of piss per square foot.

(You get a factor of about two for efficiency in terms of approaching the urinal vs entering a stall and closing the door. You get another factor of 2-3 in required floorspace for a stall vs a urinal.)

For low-traffic facilities, you don't care. For high-traffic areas, you very much do.

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quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
don't bother with urinals, they are not needed.

They are much more efficient. By installing urinals, you can take several times the amount of piss per square foot.

(You get a factor of about two for efficiency in terms of approaching the urinal vs entering a stall and closing the door. You get another factor of 2-3 in required floorspace for a stall vs a urinal.)

For low-traffic facilities, you don't care. For high-traffic areas, you very much do.

They have their disadvantages. There was a doorless stall place in Central Park in NY some years ago, but they also had traditional urinals. I saw a man swoop in on his roller blades for a quick slash, take aim and fire, but then Newton's 3rd Law applied itself, slowly propelling him backwards.

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Urinals also have a much lower water usage power flush than a tank toilet, although newer model loos are getting more efficient every year.

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The ever-popular bathroom stalker myth so beloved of conservatives is debunked here.

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{Slight tangent. Possibly NSFW.}

quote:
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Decision made by men, I assume.*
Those I encountered were mostly in the desert South-west at remote, low visitor tourist sites so one is spared that level of indignity at least.

*Before anybody gets their budgy-smugglers in a twist, I mean out of ignorance not necessarily misogyny.

On that topic, some ...misguided... man
came up with a way for women to, uh, seal our plumbing together on a monthly basis. (Let the reader understand.) NSFW for words, and possibly for a video that I can't start.

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quote:
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{Slight tangent. Possibly NSFW.}

quote:
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Decision made by men, I assume.*
Those I encountered were mostly in the desert South-west at remote, low visitor tourist sites so one is spared that level of indignity at least.

*Before anybody gets their budgy-smugglers in a twist, I mean out of ignorance not necessarily misogyny.

On that topic, some ...misguided... man
came up with a way for women to, uh, seal our plumbing together on a monthly basis. (Let the reader understand.) NSFW for words, and possibly for a video that I can't start.

What the serious fuck?! He should be given some penis glue so he doesn't wet himself.

ETA: The vid is not directly related to the text. It is about body positivity, so there is a link, but it is not about the subject of the article.

[ 24. February 2017, 03:20: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]

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lB--

Thanks, re video.

I'm guessing he got disgusted by the trash usually produced, and decided to Take Steps.
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
On that topic, some ...misguided... man
came up with a way for women to, uh, seal our plumbing together on a monthly basis.

This man is a little bit confused about how that can ever actually work in a reliable fashion. Comfort and so on aside, I'm intrigued by the idea of a glue that is unstuck by urine, but not by either sweat, blood, or other secretions.

I also wonder what happens to ladies who have a weakened pelvic floor (after a child or two?) and sneeze? I suspect the answer is that it wouldn't be pretty.

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You'll pry urinals from my cold, dead hands. If that's not a poor image. I've pissed against the wall as women came in to use the stalls as the line for them was 100 deep (Oberammergau, Germany, 2010). Didn't bother me in the least.


So now he's calling for Nuclear Supremacy (TM). To be "the top of the pack". Who is this playing to?

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quote:
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You'll pry urinals from my cold, dead hands. . . . I've pissed against the wall. . . . Didn't bother me in the least.

Well, as long as we don't have to pry them from another part of your anatomy. [Eek!]

There's something to be said for the fine old trough-style urinal. As the linked-to article says: "Brothers are made at the trough."

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Originally posted by Penny S:
The privacy of girls trumps that of transgender people. And he's flipflopped on it, giving in to Republican pressure.

What about transgender girls? That's who they're supposed to be sharing with, after all.

This is about the right of trans people to exist in public space.

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Precisely. Nobody seriously believes that transgender people are assaulting innocents in bathroom stalls. If they can take away transgender persons' public bathroom access, this prevents them from going into public spaces. They cannot travel, possibly cannot hold a job. The goal is clearly to have them driven into a dark corner somewhere to die. Once this is successfully accomplished it won't be terribly difficult to gear it up for homosexual persons. And a brief perusal of history will reveal to you the time when it was impossible for women to get around in London, because there were no public restrooms. Ladies stayed at home.

There's a meme going around that summarizes this far more succinctly: "It wasn't about water fountains either."

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Originally posted by sabine:
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by Penny S:
The privacy of girls trumps that of transgender people.

In the US, almost all women's (and girls') restrooms have individual stalls with locking doors. The few that don't (usually in parks or campgrounds) were undoubtedly designed by men, and in my experience, most women avoid using them if at all possible (I'd rather use a dodgy ports-potty). If you're worried about girls' privacy, the easiest/cheapest/least intrusive solution is simply to legislate that all women's restrooms (as well as men's I suppose-- I'll let the guys decide if they want urinals to be "use at your own risk") have locking stall doors.

Problem solved.

Well, this is certainly one of the few times when conservatives and the alt right care about the rights or feelings of women in an issue.

sabine

It's not even that. This legislation didn't come from women who are speaking out about feeling unsafe in public restrooms. It's coming from men with an agenda to marginalize others, as noted by Liopleurodon and Brenda. But it also serves the dual purpose of portraying women as weak and vulnerable-- hence all the male posturing about how they are defending their wives and daughters. It looks like a pro-women protection, but by fabricating this imaginary threat what they're really doing is undermining the apparently dangerous notion of strong and self-sufficient women.

[ 24. February 2017, 14:18: Message edited by: cliffdweller ]

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cliffdweller, I was being sarcastic, and I agree with your response to my quip.

sabine

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Well, God forbid that strong and self-sufficient women should rule the world. Why, it might actually become a better place, and that would never do....

I just hope that Pussygrabber and his minions become incontinent, and have to go around smelling of piss because they are banned from loos.

IJ (feeling particularly vitriolic today)

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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:

I just hope that Pussygrabber and his minions become incontinent, and have to go around smelling of piss because they are banned from loos.

They can always use the penis glue mentioned above.

[Snigger]

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Originally posted by sabine:
cliffdweller, I was being sarcastic, and I agree with your response to my quip.

sabine

Oh, I got that.

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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
I just hope that Pussygrabber and his minions become incontinent

Become? [Snigger]

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White House bars New York Times, CNN, other news outlets from briefing.

It just gets unbelievably worse and worse every day -- and he gets away with it!
[Mad]

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Given the chaos of his press conference last week, they are not missing anything significant.

I think what it means is that they are no longer proper press conferences. They are baby-hands talking to his friends.

But yes, it is disgraceful. Another example of Trump refusing to be a President. I just wonder how long his aides will put up with his stupidity, before they stop protecting him, and let him be eaten.

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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I just wonder how long his aides will put up with his stupidity, before they stop protecting him, and let him be eaten.

I don't know that they will -- revolution will have to come from outside their group.

Trump's minions are acting like schoolyard bullies. They're getting away with all this garbage because they can -- they've got the Big Bully on their side, so they can taunt the rest of us.

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And like most schoolyard bullies, they don't have a whole lot of brain power: Two men got the Conservative Political Action Conference to wave Russian flags with Trump’s name on them.

[Killing me]

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Is Outrage!

[Overused]

I wonder if Pussygrabber and his minions even know where Russia is.

Or Sweden, for that matter.

IJ

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Pigwidgeon

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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Is Outrage!

[Overused]

I wonder if Pussygrabber and his minions even know where Russia is.

Or Sweden, for that matter.

IJ

Sarah Palin can tell him where Russia is -- she can see it from her backyard.
[Biased]

(Yes, I know that was actually Saturday Night Live, but...)

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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
And like most schoolyard bullies, they don't have a whole lot of brain power: Two men got the Conservative Political Action Conference to wave Russian flags with Trump’s name on them.

[Killing me]

Bahahahaha! That's fabulous!

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