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Nunc Dimittis
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When I am in Melbourne this year, HC, I'd like to borrow it to have a look...
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MattV
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Originally posted by moveable_type:
A less elegant option, but much cheaper, would be to download a .pdf and print it.
I did that and had Kinkos bind me a copy.
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Originally posted by Joan Rasch:
FWIW, Project Canterbury now has an HTML version of The Parson's Handbook, 1899 version.
That's the first edition, apparently posted on the site by a Shipmate.
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Originally posted by moveable_type:
A less elegant option, but much cheaper, would be to download a .pdf and print it.
I did that and had Kinkos bind me a copy.
That's much nicer than the three-ring binder I was visualizing.
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Acquired yesterday "Masses of the Dead, taken from the English Missal, together with The Rite of Absolution for the Dead from The English Ritual" (W Knott & sons, 1960) - all nicely bound in black, with lots of black, purple & deep red tabs. It's a slim altar-sized volume, and seems hardly to have been used. Never seen such a thing before - and I've been around. It's terribly, terribly Carth-lick.
Anyone else familiar with it (or, indeed, own it)?
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MattV
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Originally posted by MattV:
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A less elegant option, but much cheaper, would be to download a .pdf and print it.
I did that and had Kinkos bind me a copy.
That's much nicer than the three-ring binder I was visualizing.
Information wants to be free!
It's not all that great, but its the best I can afford!
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May I suggest
The Priests Book of Privatr Devotions
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from the Fathers to the Churhes
Both are difficult to find but in my view worth the effort
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Manipled Mutineer
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I thought that this thread might be worth resurrecting (apart from the fact that it is my favourite...) to mention that there is a 1962 (6th edition) Manual of Catholic Devotion, leatherbound, for auction on eBay at the moment.
The same seller (Gage Books) also has a copy of Canon T.T. Carter's Treasury of Devotion for sale at the same starting price.
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Divine Office
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I currently have a 1933 edition of The Priest's Book of Private Devotion.
I had a copy of From the Fathers to the Churches a few years ago, but gave it away. As I remember, it was basically the bulk of the patristic readings from the RC Divine Office with a few of them replaced by meditations by Anglican divines, eg for the feast of the Assumption.
It would be a good resource to use with, for example, Common Worship; Daily Prayer if you could manage to pick up a copy. I gather it's quite scarce now.
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Originally posted by Divine Office:
I had a copy of From the Fathers to the Churches a few years ago, but gave it away. As I remember, it was basically the bulk of the patristic readings from the RC Divine Office with a few of them replaced by meditations by Anglican divines, eg for the feast of the Assumption.
It would be a good resource to use with, for example, Common Worship; Daily Prayer if you could manage to pick up a copy. I gather it's quite scarce now.
We use the rector's copy at Ascension, Chicago, as an alternative to Robert Wright's Readings for the Daily Office From the Early Church at the discretion of the Evening Prayer officiant. Wright's book is the norm, but if the selection appointed for the day is less than it could be in some way (for instance, goes on about the mechanics of an early liturgy, never mentioning God, in one case), we can turn to From the Fathers to the Churches. I prefer the continuity of just using Wright's book most Monday evenings (when I'm officiant), but glad to have an alternative sometimes.
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Divine Office
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Manipled Mutineer wrote:-
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there is a 1962 (6th edition) Manual of Catholic Devotion, leatherbound, for auction on eBay at the moment.
I've just received it in the post this morning!
It is the best edition I've managed to obtain yet. It has a nice leather cover and gold-edged pages.
I also have the 1952 and 1969 editions, that of 1952 having a red cover and that of 1969 a green one. In my opinion, the 1969 edition is not quite as good as the earlier ones, as it only has the Series 1 rite of Mass instead of the traditional order, and it omits the orders of Prime, Terce, Sext and None.
However, any edition of this work is a classic. On the whole, I much prefer it to the more recent and bulkier Manual of Anglo-Catholic Devotion published by Canterbury Press.
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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
There's a copy of Percy Dearmer's The English Liturgy on eBay which may be of interest to someone or other!
I'd like to find a copy of the Psautier used in the daily offices of the Fraternités de Jérusalem; I presume it's pointed and noted.
And a used ECUSA Altar Book, although parishes tend to use them to death and discard them, I think. Ours is rather crinkly, waxy, and oily. But it has all the tabs, ribbons, Post-its, paper clips, and inserts just so. Would take a while to set up a new one (but wouldn't it be fun?).
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And a used ECUSA Altar Book, although parishes tend to use them to death and discard them, I think. Ours is rather crinkly, waxy, and oily. But it has all the tabs, ribbons, Post-its, paper clips, and inserts just so. Would take a while to set up a new one (but wouldn't it be fun?).
You folks at Ascension just need to get together and make a Knott Missal-esque book to be used as an alternative to the Altar Book. Certainly there is enough talent and interest at your church, and certainly your church is revered enough in nosebleed circles that it might be of great interest to some. Granted, it would probably look a lot like the Book of Divine Worship, but I have little doubt that your bunch could out-Rome the Romans anyday.
I have a suspicion that you most likely know a publisher or two that could bind and gilt-edge a beautiful leather volume. And who else to do the engraving than Scott Knitter himself? If anything, it would be a good discipline to take up during Lent, and a laudable service to TEC.
It is quite probable that you could get the backing of ++Griswold, and with that you would doubtless have little problem obtaining the proper permissions.
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Talking of altar missals, has anyone ever used the altar edition of The Anglican Service Book, which I think is still available from the Church of the Good Shepherd in Rosemont?
The Anglican Parishes Association until recently still published an altar edition of the American version of The Anglican Missal, but according to their website it is currently unavailable. Hopefully it will be reprinted.
There is also the reprint of the altar edition of The English Missal available from Canterbury Press in Norwich, but it is rather small for use on a main altar and the text is only printed in black, making it difficult to see the rubrics.
It would be interesting if the Cowley Missal, as formerly used by the SSJE, was to be reprinted. I have seen one or two altar editions for sale on eBay in the past, but they have always fetched high prices.
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Originally posted by Divine Office:
Talking of altar missals, has anyone ever used the altar edition of The Anglican Service Book, which I think is still available from the Church of the Good Shepherd in Rosemont?
The Anglican Parishes Association until recently still published an altar edition of the American version of The Anglican Missal, but according to their website it is currently unavailable. Hopefully it will be reprinted.
There is also the reprint of the altar edition of The English Missal available from Canterbury Press in Norwich, but it is rather small for use on a main altar and the text is only printed in black, making it difficult to see the rubrics.
It would be interesting if the Cowley Missal, as formerly used by the SSJE, was to be reprinted. I have seen one or two altar editions for sale on eBay in the past, but they have always fetched high prices.
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why should anybody want one of these books for use, as opposed to antiquarian interest? As far as I know they contained the 1662 Communion rite (or presumably, in other editions, the current Amercican rite or whatever), along with material from the Sarum - long out of use - or then Roman missals. Whatever justification one could have given for using the latter surely disappeared with the revision of the Roman rite in the 1960s. The BCP rite remains authorised and available, but those who used the old missal used it reluctantly and only as a framework for cramming as much of a 'proper mass' in as they could.
These days, either use the almost infinite flexibility of Common Worship or, if you believe that as part of the Western Church we should use the Roman rite, do that.
There can surely be no justification for using an illegal rite and it is ironic that people who claim to be 'catholic' see no problem in putting their own prejudices before the rules of the Church.
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why should anybody want one of these books for use, as opposed to antiquarian interest? As far as I know they contained the 1662 Communion rite (or presumably, in other editions, the current Amercican rite or whatever), along with material from the Sarum - long out of use - or then Roman missals. Whatever justification one could have given for using the latter surely disappeared with the revision of the Roman rite in the 1960s. The BCP rite remains authorised and available, but those who used the old missal used it reluctantly and only as a framework for cramming as much of a 'proper mass' in as they could.
These days, either use the almost infinite flexibility of Common Worship or, if you believe that as part of the Western Church we should use the Roman rite, do that.
There can surely be no justification for using an illegal rite and it is ironic that people who claim to be 'catholic' see no problem in putting their own prejudices before the rules of the Church.
Well, as far as The Book of Anglican Services is concerned, I believe that it is mostly the authorised services from the 1979 ECUSA BCP in traditional language with some additional material as an appendix. I could be wrong, but I think I read that any service from the 1979 BCP in modern language may legally be used in traditional language, so probably most of the material in The Anglican Service Book would be permissable by ECUSA canon law. Perhaps Scott could clarify this.
I would have to admit, though, that the Anglican Service Book does contain some material that is strictly speaking illegal for public use, such as the Gregorian canon and that of 1549, which are probably used occasionally in some places.
As far as the Anglican Missal published by the APA is concerned, I believe it is permitted for use in the Anglican Catholic Church, for whom its publication was chiefly intended, but not, of course, in ECUSA. Likewise, the English Missal has never been canonically authorised for use in the Church of England, or as far as I know in any other part of the Anglican Communion, although it was still formerly widely used in Anglo-Catholic churches.
Other than in the Continuing Anglican churches such as the ACC, my guess would be that it would be pretty rare to find the English Missal or the Anglican Missal used in toto anywhere now, although there may be occasional exceptions, such as St Clement, Philadelphia, in ECUSA and All Saints', York, in the C of E.
In churches where the English or Anglican missals are still used to any extent, they would be more likely to be used to supplement canonically authorised services. For example, the propers might be used with a traditional language eucharistic rite such as that from Common Worship or that from the ECUSA 1979 BCP.
Perhaps other contributors could expand on this.
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I was having a similar conversation (re: why should anyone use the English Missal) the other day and the argument given by the proponent was that one could be as fully Papalist using the English Missal because it is, essentially, the 1962 Rite - which is a rite used by the RCC, and thus is not simply antiquarianism.
Can't decide whether or not I agree.
If there were to be a 'contemporary language' translation of the 1962 Missal, would that be acceptable?
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Originally posted by Thurible:
If there were to be a 'contemporary language' translation of the 1962 Missal, would that be acceptable?
Thurible
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Manipled Mutineer
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Originally posted by Thurible:
I was having a similar conversation (re: why should anyone use the English Missal) the other day and the argument given by the proponent was that one could be as fully Papalist using the English Missal because it is, essentially, the 1962 Rite - which is a rite used by the RCC, and thus is not simply antiquarianism.
Thurible
I was turning this question over in my mind and was reaching the same conclusion as your interlocutor - although even the 1958 edition would probably need some further changes to bring it fully into line with the 1962 books.
Inter alia, from what little I know of the Cowley Fathers/SSJE, I would be very surprised if their missal contained illegal materials; however I can be readily controverted by whoever becomes the lucky owner of this, for a mere four hundred and fifty pounds...
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Divine Outlaw
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Originally posted by Thurible:
I was having a similar conversation (re: why should anyone use the English Missal) the other day and the argument given by the proponent was that one could be as fully Papalist using the English Missal because it is, essentially, the 1962 Rite - which is a rite used by the RCC, and thus is not simply antiquarianism.
Only it's not a rite used by the RCC. It is a translation of a rite used by the RCC, a defining feature of which is the use of Latin as a universal language.
Don't get me wrong. I love the English Missal. I just have a picture in my mind of an eager Anglo-Catholic explaining the catholicity of the EM to a member of the Latin Mass Society. I imagine the case might not be well received.
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It was an eager young RC, regular worshipper at the Old Rite Mass at the Oxford Oratory, arguing for its catholicity, actually.
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Sigh. You don't even get proper reactionaries these days. What is the world coming to?
But, seriously, I don't think the 'English Missal is papalist' argument works. It never did. Which is why, in the heady days of mid-20th century Anglo-Papalism, Latin was to be heard muttered in Anglican churches.
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I think you're probably right but I was so convinced by this reactionary (gosh, if he isn't a proper reactionary, I don't think anyone can be!) that I don't want to think you are!
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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Harking back to an earlier discussion, here, for auction, is a copy of Belton's Manual for Confessors.
Thanks for the heads up on this, which I have just purchased for £2.99 + P&P.
And this might give you a clue about who has bid on your guide to Walsingham.
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MattV
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I attended The Church of the Ascension and St Agnes over the weekend. Not only did I get to experience the People's Anglican Missal in a service, but I was able to purchase a copy of St. Augustine's Prayer book there ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by MattV:
I attended The Church of the Ascension and St Agnes over the weekend. Not only did I get to experience the People's Anglican Missal in a service, but I was able to purchase a copy of St. Augustine's Prayer book there
I've only ever experienced the Anglican Missal at the Anglican Catholic church in Grand Rapids, Michigan (St Paul's). The 1928 BCP was in the pews; the Missal propers were in the bulletin and were sung from the English Gradual. Quite nice.
Afterward, I wrote a letter to the rector with some questions and compliments; some months later I got a reply apologizing for taking so long to reply, "but I've been under treatment for a boil on my buttocks, and I haven't been in my office." Just thought that was the funniest letter I had ever received. ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
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Originally posted by Scott Knitter:
Afterward, I wrote a letter to the rector with some questions and compliments; some months later I got a reply apologizing for taking so long to reply, "but I've been under treatment for a boil on my buttocks, and I haven't been in my office." Just thought that was the funniest letter I had ever received.
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Well, I believe that additional copies of The Priest's Prayer Book, the Manual of Catholic Devotion and the Parson's Handbook are winging their way to me at the moment, which will give me the luxury of replacing the more careworn volumes! I also made the mistake of going into my local SPCK at lunch time and came out 15 minutes later with a dozen volumes in my arms, pretty much all of R.C. interest. They averaged out at less than two pounds a book, so I don't feel too guilty, and my wife didn't comment when I told her about them, which leads me to believe that she probably wasn't listening properly...
Incidentally, Gage Books have put out a new Anglican catalogue, which is where I got the first two volumes from - well worth browsing, including a altar edition of the English Missal , 11th edition Ritual Notes, Pocknee Parson's Handbook and Scottish BCP .
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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
Well, I believe that additional copies of The Priest's Prayer Book, the Manual of Catholic Devotion and the Parson's Handbook are winging their way to me at the moment, which will give me the luxury of replacing the more careworn volumes! I also made the mistake of going into my local SPCK at lunch time and came out 15 minutes later with a dozen volumes in my arms, pretty much all of R.C. interest. They averaged out at less than two pounds a book, so I don't feel too guilty, and my wife didn't comment when I told her about them, which leads me to believe that she probably wasn't listening properly...
Incidentally, Gage Books have put out a new Anglican catalogue, which is where I got the first two volumes from - well worth browsing, including a altar edition of the English Missal , 11th edition Ritual Notes, Pocknee Parson's Handbook and Scottish BCP .
If you want to donate your worn books....
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My every day or every week books are:
The Prayerbook Office - 1963
The 1928 BCP
Lesser Feasts and Fasts - 1963
American Missal
The Priest's Manual
The English Ritual
Ritual Notes 11th edition
Then there are all sorts of other odds and ends too numerous to list when I have to go and read Evensong before it gets any later
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American Missal
I bang my head against a wall daily for selling my copy on eBay. Sure wish I hadn't, and sure wish it could be reprinted in a smaller edition, about the size of the English Missal reprint (but with red rubrics, or even blue blubrics, but not all in black!).
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How does the last edition of The Parson's Handbook as revised by Pocknee compare with the earlier editions which were purely Dearmer's work?
If you have one of Dearmer's editions, is it worthwhile obtaining the Pocknee version for comparison?
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Originally posted by Divine Office:
How does the last edition of The Parson's Handbook as revised by Pocknee compare with the earlier editions which were purely Dearmer's work?
If you have one of Dearmer's editions, is it worthwhile obtaining the Pocknee version for comparison?
DIVINE OFFICE
Pocknee is quite a lot shorter and the style is not that of Dearmer, although quite as didactic. In addition it reflects the coming of the new "Series" rites, which of course Dearmer's editions didn't. I'd say worth buying at the right price. Of course, if I was to have only one copy, it would defintitely have to be the Dearmer.
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Fans of Ritual Notes and The Priest's Companion may find this rather brief little G.A.C. Whatton tome of interest. Entitled "The Priest and His Life of Prayer" I imagine it must be rather rare as I can't find bilbiographical details of it anywhere, and this appears to be the only copy for sale on the internet.
My copies of the Priest's Prayer Book and Manual of Catholic Devotion arrived yesterday, and are eminently satisfactory. This means that two early editions of these tomes are to be disposed of, so watch this sig...
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Originally posted by PD:
American Missal
I bang my head against a wall daily for selling my copy on eBay. Sure wish I hadn't, and sure wish it could be reprinted in a smaller edition, about the size of the English Missal reprint (but with red rubrics, or even blue blubrics, but not all in black!).
I now have an American Missal again, thanks to a friend who had his up for sale. Interestingly, a first-time visitor to the apartment on the weekend later expressed through a friend that what impressed her most on the tour (thank God it wasn't the clumps of dust!) was the Missal on my shtender (a lectern with storage for books inside it, traditionally used for Torah study and lecture, given to me in exchange for some writing and editing services), open to the current Sunday propers. Not that I'm that good about reading the propers, but it looked that way.
False impressions...another reason to make sure you have the right books open to the right pages!
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Just obtained rather a nice pocket edition of The People's Shorter Anglican Missal published in 1939 by the Society of SS Peter and Paul. It makes an interesting comparison with an earlier Shorter edition of 1929 which I also have.
What other editions of the Anglican Missal also existed? There was of course the large altar edition, but I think there was also an "abridged" edition for lay use which had more rather more material than the People's Shorter edition; it would have been similar in content to the American Edition as currently reprinted by the Anglican Parishes Association.
I believe that a copy of this larger abridged edition came up on eBay some time ago, but I was outbid for it. I think it fetched a handsome price.
When did the Anglican Missal finally go out of print? Was it still available when the final edition of the English Missal appeared in 1958?
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I have an Anglican Missal, published after 2000, a small red volume published by the Anglican Catholic Church.
I have always wondered what the differences between the Anglican, English, American, and Knott's missals were (are). Were there such things as The Scots/Irish/Canadian/Australian/NZ/South Africa missals? Can you tell me?
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Divine Office - glad you liked it! In re. versions of the Anglican Missal, Mark Dalby in his excellent book "Anglican Missals and their Canons" gives a brief note on an Abridged Anglican Missal, confirming that it was an expansion, by popular demand, of the People's Shorter Anglican Missal, althogh he doesn't go into detail on the content. I'm hoping to get hold of a copy one day.
Mama Thomas - so far as I know, the Knott Missal is the English Missal, which was orginally produced as a private venture and then sold on by the compiler to Knott. It is similar to, but not identical with, the English Missal for the Laity, which had a different compiler and employed (for example) slightly different translations. This difference became more marked (I understand) at around the time the copyright of the English Missal was sold to Knott, as its translations were influenced by those in the Anglican Missal - of which more below.
The Anglican Missal, and its variants the People's Shorter Anglican Missal, An Abridged Anglican Missal and the Church Missonary Missal, were all produced by the Society of Ss Peter and Paul. The selection of texts is slightly more eclectic and the translations more literary - doubtless due in part to the influence of Fr Ronald Knox. Inter alia, SSPP were also the people who brought the world "Lambeth" incense and the "Ridley" votive candle stand!
The People's Anglican Missal was taken up in due course by the Frank Gavin Liturgical Foundation in the U.S., revised in conformity with the American Prayer Book and issued in an American edition - first in 1946 I think. These have been kept in print by the various continuing churches in the America.
The Rev. G.A.L. Clarke also produced a "People's Missal", which I understand is more eclectic still, mixing in Ambrosian elements and possibly Eastern as well.
Unfortunately I am not at all familiar with the American Missal, so I'll leave it to Scott to answer that one, other than to post this link!
So far as I know, the English and American Anglican traditions are the only ones to have produced distintive missals of this type, although I will be happy to be corrected!
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Mama Thomas - I also have a copy of the small red Anglican Missal in the American Edition as reprinted by the Anglican Catholic Church. It compliments the reprinted Anglican Breviary nicely.
The APA also publish an altar edition of the American Anglican Missal, although I believe it is currently out of print.
Manipled Mutineer - I also have a copy of GAL Clarke's People's Missal, which is indeed a fascinating publication. I wonder how widely it was used amongst Anglo-Catholics - it was rather more exotic than, for exmple, the English Liturgy published by Rivingtons, but more avant garde than the English or Anglican Missals.
I do have a suspicion that Fr Clarke's People's Missal may have been used at Thaxted Parish Church at one time - I think it might well have appealed to Conrad Noel!
Hopefully I'll get my hands on a copy of the Abridged Anglican Missal one day. The slight differences between the 1929 and 1939 of The Shorter People's Anglican Missal are interesting - for example, the latter has a Kalendar, the asperges and some portions of Gregorian chant in the order of mass, which the former does not. The differences in artwork between the two editions are aslo interesting.
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Unfortunately I am not at all familiar with the American Missal, so I'll leave it to Scott to answer that one, other than to post this link!
I've got one right here on my desk. It was published only in an altar edition, I think; the people would have followed their 1928 BCPs. My impression of the American Missal is that it's a bit more straightforward and easier to navigate than the Anglican Missal: the seasonal prayers are easier to find, the Common on feast days is prescribed more forthrightly (fewer choices), and the BCP order is kept to a slightly higher degree of strictness. Clearer rubrics, too.
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One of my acquaintances in the Continuum praises the AMERICAN MISSAL for its avoidance of what he calls "Father Gavin's Gotcha's," the confusing rubrics of the ANGLICAN MISSAL.
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One of my acquaintances in the Continuum praises the AMERICAN MISSAL for its avoidance of what he calls "Father Gavin's Gotcha's," the confusing rubrics of the ANGLICAN MISSAL.
Yes. The American Missal goes ahead and repeats material rather than sending the celebrant to Common X, bits of which require reference to Common Y except in Paschaltide, etc. More often the propers for the Mass to be used are presented contiguously, with a bit of flippity only for the collect, secret, and postcommunion prayers, typically.
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