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Originally posted by Saviour Tortoise:
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Originally posted by Earwig:
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Originally posted by ken:
- the liturgy and vestments and general conduct of the church services are real. That's how real Anglicans really behave in church. I found myself almost automatically making the responses. I never got that from The Vicar of Dibley or the scenes set in church in other soap operas or dramas. (Even the great Cracker got church life wrong - as does The Archers, though its not so bad)
Yup, me too - I accidently joined in with Morning Prayer in one episode, earning very odd looks from my boyfriend. ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
This was the first thing that really made me pay attention to the show.
The liturgy is smack on accurate. The issues are real issues. The people are real (carictatures, sure, but I recognise them.) Adam is a real vicar. This is a real church. It's so real I assumed the writers must have been CofE regulars. I was very suprised and impressed when I discovered they'd done this through proper research.
Indeed they did - I know one of the advisers.
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Yes, Chorister, but is it entertaining? I think not. I will be suprised if it gets a second series.
What is entertaining is the quirky little twist at the end of every plot. It was only after the image had disappeared that I realised the pole dancing club had relocated - as the owner said it would - away from the primary school, but was now smack bang opposite the church. Nothing was said - it was just a fleeting image accross the road as Adam left the church building. You keep watching because you're never quite sure what is going to happen next.
(And I'm speaking as someone who hardly ever watches TV, apart from University Challenge and Wimbledon. So it's got to be good to keep me interested.)
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Originally posted by Saviour Tortoise:
The liturgy is smack on accurate. The issues are real issues. The people are real (carictatures, sure, but I recognise them.) Adam is a real vicar. This is a real church. It's so real I assumed the writers must have been CofE regulars. I was very suprised and impressed when I discovered they'd done this through proper research.
Apparently, the realism of some of the secular details caused a bit of a stir among bystanders witnessing the opening scene of Ep 3...
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Ugh! ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif)
It was The Sun. I feel dirty and contaminated now.
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And no-one moaned about the "poor departed" being carried out of chuch on the huh? Dear me - picture two made me wince.
Mind you, that might be through having an undertaker for a father. He nearly had a fit when the Queen Mother was carried in with one short pallbearer struggling to keep his corner up!
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I've just watched all three episodes on i-play (yep, a lot of work displacement activity going on here today). I enjoyed it a lot, and thought it was pretty well written and acted.
I started to think about Adam's backstory though. Has he spent his entire adult life in Suffolk? How does someone do that and then end up in Shoreditch? But then I thought, well, actually in a 30 minute sitcom you can't have too much of characters' history, they've just got to seem plausible in that situation.
But then I started to think about the fact that Adam and Alex don't have children, and I was suddenly struck by the similarities with the Tom and Barbara in the Good Life -- couples who aren't in the first flush of marriage who are still quite couple-y and where all the humour in the marriage centres around their romantic/sexual life.
It's true that it they had children it would turn into a family sitcom, and Rev is obviously not that. It's just that when you combine it with the lack of backstory for Adam and Alex the whole situation begins to seem a bit peculiar -- as does that of The Good Life when you pull it apart a bit.
Probably that's a reason not to analyse too much ... hope anyway it gets recommissioned so that it gets a chance to bed down and develop.
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How about: Adam and Alex met at university (in London of course); he being a country lad who naturally gravitated back to his roots for his first curacy (and maybe a team vicarship in a rural team ministry). Alex meanwhile, a city girl intent on making her way in the legal profession, got fed up of working for Stephen Fry and landed a plum job in the City. The strains of commuting prompted Adam to write to his friend (!) Archdeacon Robert, and so the story continues...
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Except that doesn't quite work, since Alex is a criminal defence lawyer, about as low a paid position as you can get in the legal profession (essentially, you are paid by the government). She could as easily have done this in, say, Ipswich.
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I must have missed that. But you get a better class of criminal in the East End.
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Originally posted by Jemima the 9th:
This reviewer in the Guardian doesn't think much of it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2010/jul/18/another-view-on-rev
I thought it was interesting that he said you don't get any sense of Adam's spiritual convictions; I thought they came over very well. Ho hum. Looking forward to tonight's episode. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
I can understand why the writer of that piece doesn't find it realistic. I don't know him personally, but I do know the church where he's Vicar as it's on my old stamping ground. Let's just say they don't exactly inhabit the same planet as the rest of us!
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Originally posted by Jemima the 9th:
This reviewer in the Guardian doesn't think much of it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2010/jul/18/another-view-on-rev
I thought it was interesting that he said you don't get any sense of Adam's spiritual convictions; I thought they came over very well. Ho hum. Looking forward to tonight's episode.
A bad review. he said: He even invites a Muslim prayer group to hold their meeting in the church. I'm in favour of interfaith dialogue, but that's just a step too far.
Actually, I know two evangelical ministers and one anglo-catholic priest who do just that.
Then: One African lady in the congregation, Adoha, is known as a "cassock-chaser" because she has a thing for priests. You do get people a bit like her in the church. People from Africa and the Caribbean are particularly deferential to their priests – but not to those extremes.
I know at least three women, in different churches that I belong to, who are much more extreme.
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Originally posted by Spike:
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Originally posted by Jemima the 9th:
This reviewer in the Guardian doesn't think much of it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2010/jul/18/another-view-on-rev
I thought it was interesting that he said you don't get any sense of Adam's spiritual convictions; I thought they came over very well. Ho hum. Looking forward to tonight's episode.
I can understand why the writer of that piece doesn't find it realistic. I don't know him personally, but I do know the church where he's Vicar as it's on my old stamping ground. Let's just say they don't exactly inhabit the same planet as the rest of us!
Ah, that's interesting. Thank you!
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Originally posted by leo:
A bad review. he said: He even invites a Muslim prayer group to hold their meeting in the church. I'm in favour of interfaith dialogue, but that's just a step too far.
Actually, I know two evangelical ministers and one anglo-catholic priest who do just that.
And I know a local CofE church who also have Muslims meeting in and using their church - Sufi Muslims. Some churches don't allow other religions to meet in their church, some do...
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Well that was brilliant!
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Yes, though parts of it had me absolutely cringing. It was very, very good.
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That was the first episode I'd watched, and I'm very impressed!
Yes, it's gentle rather than laugh-out-loud funny, but so very very real! If I wandered into a random church in London, or many other cities, and found it exactly like that, then I wouldn't be at all surprised. Prestigious cappuccino machine and all!
Oh, and in answer to the article quoted above: I didn't get the impression any of tonight's characters were mere caricatures. If anything, I thought quite a few of them were rather toned down from the real-life equivalents one runs into from time to time. Or indeed the real-life equivalents that one actually is
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Have enjoyed this since the first episode but particularly enjoyed tonights. I feel the characters are devolping and are less charicatures now. Loved Mrs Rev's response to the addict coming for money again.
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The best yet!
"I find congregations prefer cornflakes to muesli - theologically speaking."
"There are 10,000 vicars and only 350 top jobs.....so, the chances of promotion in the Church of England are about the same as in the Chinese army."
The Archdeacon gets better.
A Cuddesdon man?!
And Adam's response to the posing models on the vestment website:
"Oooh, look at her!"
Now, as for Roland. I can't begin to imagine who is the inspiration for that character! ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Spike
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Originally posted by +Chad:
The Archdeacon gets better.
A Cuddesdon man?!
Of course he is. No doubt about that! What about Adam though? I don't think he's a Staggers Bag. Westcott maybe?
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Probably. I think he must have had a residential training. The daily office is ingrained!
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Originally posted by Spike:
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Originally posted by +Chad:
The Archdeacon gets better.
A Cuddesdon man?!
Of course he is. No doubt about that!
Pre-merger.
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What about Adam though? I don't think he's a Staggers Bag. Westcott maybe?
I thought Westcott. Probably AffCath too.
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Like many others I found it amusing rather than lough-out-loud funny, but very enjoyable and it's good to see a depiction of the church that has moved on from Derek Nimmo. And it has some nice touches, such as the 'More tea vicar?' mug at Adam's bedside and the nun salt and pepper shakers in the kitchen.
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I thought last night's was by far and away the best so far. I also thought the piece in teh Guardian was appaling: it sounded like it had been written by a 12 year old and said nothing (or perhpas, like Adam, I'm just jealous that I haven't been asked to write a piece for the guardian...?)
PS I'd love to know who Roland Wise is supposed to be. Can anyone PM me?
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Originally posted by Amos:
Probably. I think he must have had a residential training. The daily office is ingrained!
I'd say Westcott for sure. This would also explain why a man from 'Snakebelly Suffolk' was wearing a 'jessie-bell'....
I loved all the little character touches too - for example, the fact that even when he was comforting Roland he was still only able to say 'You're .... quite funny'.
Admittedly, I did see the final gag coming a mile off, but hey!
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Yes, you just knew Roland was going to nick his line!
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I love this series more and more as it goes on. Odd moments make me laugh, but at times it makes me cringe as I recognise the odd little habits we religious types have!
I thought the review in the Gauardian about par for the course for the Guardian. It has a real blind spot when it comes to religion.
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Originally posted by Moth:
I thought the review in the Gauardian about par for the course for the Guardian. It has a real blind spot when it comes to religion.
Sometimes, yes. In this case, I think its more of a blind spot when it comes to the subtleties of the Anglican church, which is more forgiveable. I presume they just thought 'let's get another East End vicar to comment', despite the fact that he has clearly -to us - got a different perspective from another part of the candle as it were.
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Originally posted by Tyler Durden:
I thought last night's was by far and away the best so far.
Same here! ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
I'm glad they got round to explaining why Adam didn't have a chasuble, although I'd have thought he'd have ordered a full set, rather than just the green. Perhaps as we're in ordinary time, the church is saving up for the rest of them???
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We only got to see the green, but he must have ordered a full set as we saw the Rastafariian bloke wearing a red stole over the green chazzie.
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Originally posted by +Chad:
The best yet!
"I find congregations prefer cornflakes to muesli - theologically speaking."
"There are 10,000 vicars and only 350 top jobs.....so, the chances of promotion in the Church of England are about the same as in the Chinese army."
The Archdeacon gets better.
A Cuddesdon man?!
And Adam's response to the posing models on the vestment website:
"Oooh, look at her!"
Now, as for Roland. I can't begin to imagine who is the inspiration for that character!
If it helps, a friend I was watching with picked up on Roland's 'courtly' goodnight to Alex; sooo reminded us of our old chaplain. ![[Axe murder]](graemlins/lovedrops.gif) And he was definitely a Cuddeston man.
No, I'm not telling you who he was.
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For the first time it was really really good. I mean I almost cried at one point. The scenes between Adam and Roland (or whatever his name was) seemed very real. People really do behave like that.
Then when he suggested they go and say the Office - well it was the nearest I have ever seen on TV to a credible depiction (or even a justification) of liturgical approach to Christianity. I don't think anyone will ever persuade this Protestant to be an Anglo-Catholic but that was about as near as it gets...
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Roland isn't Cuddesdon. The style's all superficial.
He was at college with Adam - Westcott.
What of Darren Betts, our fresh expression of two episodes ago, do we think Wycliffe Hall or S John's, Nottingham?
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Originally posted by +Chad:
What of Darren Betts, our fresh expression of two episodes ago, do we think Wycliffe Hall or S John's, Nottingham?
Trinity, Bristol. And he's older than he tries to look - he was there in the early 1980s.
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Could feasibly be Oak Hill then.
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What of Darren Betts, our fresh expression of two episodes ago...
...S John's, Nottingham?
Not in John Goldingay's time?
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Wonderful episode. As well as the Archdeacon's cornflakes/muesli line, and the usual opportunity to see him discard his coffee undrunk, I very much enjoyed the unstated unfolding of how Adam's sudden interest in getting on radio/TV meant that in this episode he constantly overlooked his usual 'small acts of kindness' that he so loved the idea of in the poem he quoted. (So, failing to go to the Singles Supper, closing the door on the man wanting to use the loo, not making time to talk to Colin at the door etc). The difference between what he said and what he did in this episode - and using that to show that he was going in the wrong direction for a time - was beautifully done, and all the more so for remaining unspoken.
Good to see Morning Prayer treated as a normal and unspectacular part of the daily routine too.
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Originally posted by Spike:
We only got to see the green, but he must have ordered a full set as we saw the Rastafariian bloke wearing a red stole over the green chazzie.
Could have been a reversible set to save money - red one side, green the other.
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Originally posted by ken:
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What of Darren Betts, our fresh expression of two episodes ago, do we think Wycliffe Hall or S John's, Nottingham?
Trinity, Bristol. And he's older than he tries to look - he was there in the early 1980s.
Please don't say any of these three are spawning montrosities like Darren IRL. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) I'm still recovering from that episode. Shudders.
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Well, he didn't train at Mirfield or Staggers.
Actually, he could have come by the Church Army route.
Church Army evangelist and then trained for ordination on a local course! ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Assuming you mean Darren, surely not the Church Army. He's too posh for that (though his name lets him down a bit; maybe he got to public school on a scholarship. Or maybe he's antipodean and has toned down his accent.)
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Darren was never Oak Hill! Far too flaky. An Oak Hill man would have had an altar call!
And has the Archdeacon eaten or drunk *anything* yet?
Does he need normal human food?
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And has the Archdeacon eaten or drunk *anything* yet?
Does he need normal human food?
He must be a very peculiar man!
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The Archdeacon looking at the pub food and putting it aside was priceless, in the context of his other food dismissals. I am sure he eats, but only proper food.
the obviousness of Roland pinching his line was what I means about obviousness. But that didn't detract from the episode as a whole - it was just what you knew was liable to happen, but may not have.
I went away from it thinking it was not so good. But I continued thinking about it, and the plotlines became clearer, and I realised that it worked brilliantly. That is what I love about it. Adam struggling practically with pride and expectation. His realisation that Roland was as unhappy in his role as Adam was in his, and the reversal that his own pride in vestments etc. And getting his vestments eventually "because he looks good in them".
So excellent again. And I love the prayer that we hear, because it is so realistic to how I pray - not formal, not structured, but chatting and sharing.
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Assuming you mean Darren, surely not the Church Army. He's too posh for that (though his name lets him down a bit; maybe he got to public school on a scholarship. Or maybe he's antipodean and has toned down his accent.)
The accent could well be a recent acquisition. Keeping up with the Bromptons! ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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Son of a preacherman
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I'm loving it... the line that makes me chuckle every time is.. 'Hello Mrs Vicarage'
It would have made my mother fume!!
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Adeodatus
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I'm a latecomer to this. I watched the first episode on iplayer last night, and part of me wishes I hadn't. It's funny, clever, extremely well observed and nicely acted ... but it excels in reminding me of everything I loathe about the Church of England. Everything I connect with the worst times in my life are there - the downtrodden, unsupported parish clergy (accurately, Adam always looks tired); the boxlike vicarages in the bleak urban wilderness; the ghastly Archdeacon; every congregation with its wearying cassock-chaser and vile parents trying to get their sprogs into the school. Even the scenes of the church interior seemed to communicate a feeling of cold and damp through my computer screen.
I'm afraid I also caught the first ten minutes of the second episode. Tell me, does Darren end up being shredded in an industrial waste recycling machine? Or is that just the way I'd write the script?
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"What is broken, repair with gold."
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Zacchaeus
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this week the spent £900 for new vestments and a fancy capuccino machine,it made me wonder where the parish was getting it's money from?
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