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Adeodatus
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Thanks for the tip-off,Penny. I've checked, and the currently scheduled stories - on successive Sundays - are The Aztecs, Tomb of the Cybermen, Spearhead from Space, Pyramids of Mars and Earthshock. All very watchable, though perhaps Tomb is... umm... let's say 'not unproblematic'.
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quote: Originally posted by Motylos: The ‘lock down’ TARDIS was an interesting concept..
...and, visually, virtually identical to The Pandorica.
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quote: Originally posted by Marvin the Martian: quote: Originally posted by Motylos: The ‘lock down’ TARDIS was an interesting concept..
...and, visually, virtually identical to The Pandorica.
That's what. I said to Mr D as soon as I saw it. And I'm not known for being perceptive.
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You were wanting an episode with no aliens.
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Interesting and enjoyable. Liked all the Shakespeare references.
Anyone else feel a sense of regret when London returned to its normal grey treelessness?
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I must have missed the Shakespeare, apart from Arden. Maebh (sp?) would be a reference to the fairy queen in other contexts. And the red coat isn't just Little Red Riding Hood, it's Schindler's List and Don't Look Now.
I've seen some comments about the sister returning being wrong, but in the fairy tale context, it's right, because Maebh has served the trees by doing the right things in her adventure, and the oungest one can get the lost older sibling back - liek Child Roland getting Burd Ellen and his brothers back.
I didn't see the supposed poster with the Tardis and Clara on it on the side of the bus, that was supposed to be visible in the trailer - definitely not there in Dr Who Extra.
But next week - this looks wronger than a wrong thing, with no little hints (apart from dratted Missy), nothing in Clara's behaviour to suggest what the trailer shows. Why would she need the phone call from Smith if she was already set up to be an agent of doom?
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Well that was fun again. I could pick holes in it, but it was fun, it was a fairytale episode, where the Doctor admitted that he was wrong.
The idea that the real answers come through the children was cool. She was better than the Doctor. And very brilliant.
Missy being surprised was interesting. Seems like she will feature more next week.
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Ariel
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quote: Originally posted by Penny S: I must have missed the Shakespeare, apart from Arden. Maebh (sp?) would be a reference to the fairy queen in other contexts. And the red coat isn't just Little Red Riding Hood, it's Schindler's List and Don't Look Now.
Yep. The Forest of Arden which the heroine runs into to escape persecution and meets various strange characters, including the cynical, melancholy Jaques. (As You Like It)
"O, then I see Queen Mab hath been with you. She is the fairies' midwife..." (Romeo and Juliet)
The arguing between Clara and Danny over a lost child in the forest put me in mind of A Midsummer Night's Dream, though that may just be me.
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Penny S
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I've looked at the trailer again - Clara is telling a cyberman that Clara Oswald has never existed, so may be lying to get out of a fix - doesn't explain her attitude to the doctor and the Tardis though.
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quote: Originally posted by Adeodatus: Thanks for the tip-off,Penny. I've checked, and the currently scheduled stories - on successive Sundays - are The Aztecs, Tomb of the Cybermen, Spearhead from Space, Pyramids of Mars and Earthshock. All very watchable, though perhaps Tomb is... umm... let's say 'not unproblematic'.
Is this the same as the series that was on Watch (I think - can't get it)?
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So I was thinking that, In the Forest of the Night, could have been a lot sharper. And the decision to use so many child actors was what Humphrey Appleby called brave. And then the bit where Maebh and her mother found each other made me go sniffle.
So, the kind of Doctor Who mess that is much more worth watching than any slick run around with monsters.
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Robert Armin
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Agreed Dafyd - Who doesn't need monsters to be good. Tonight's episode looked great, and I liked it a lot, but something is niggling at me. Not sure what it is until I watch the show again, and then it may evaporate of course.
On question - why was Missy surprised at the end? No one, not even the Doctor, did anything brilliant. The day was saved by the trees, as they have apparently done countless times before (maybe that's what's niggling me). So what was there to surprise her?
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That was intriguing and different. Not perfect, but pretty good. And very philosophical.
quote: Originally posted by Robert Armin: On question - why was Missy surprised at the end? No one, not even the Doctor, did anything brilliant. The day was saved by the trees, as they have apparently done countless times before (maybe that's what's niggling me). So what was there to surprise her?
If the Doctor can be surprised by trees, why can't Missy be surprised by trees? Unless you think she's God, she doesn't know everything.
Alternatively, she could be surprised that the trees weren't destroyed as a threat.
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quote: Originally posted by Gill H: quote: Originally posted by Adeodatus: Thanks for the tip-off,Penny. I've checked, and the currently scheduled stories - on successive Sundays - are The Aztecs, Tomb of the Cybermen, Spearhead from Space, Pyramids of Mars and Earthshock. All very watchable, though perhaps Tomb is... umm... let's say 'not unproblematic'.
Is this the same as the series that was on Watch (I think - can't get it)?
I don't know, I can't get Watch either. It looks like they're limiting themselves to 4-part stories - hence, perhaps, the choice of 'Tomb', which wouldn't have been my choice for a Troughton story. (I think the only other extant Troughton 4-parter is The Krotons, which is a bit naff, but, I think, actually a better script.)
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quote: Originally posted by orfeo: That was intriguing and different. Not perfect, but pretty good. And very philosophical.
I thought it was quite nice. Reading the Guardian comments and they hated it, not sure why.
I liked the coke analogy, and there were a few other nice words. Definitely not perfect, but about right.
I'm not sure how the increasing the oxygen was meant to work. It seemed the idea was to increase the flammability of the earth so it burnt itself out before actually hitting. But there's already lots of fuel down here. But at least that fitted with the trees being tree like, not like the tide problem or the egg.
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Penny S
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There do seem to be a lot of commenters at the Guardian who are convinced that Danny would turn out to be a committer of domestic abuse. I don't get it myself.
He will have been imprinted with Clara back in his childhood, won't he? And the Doctor.
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I've just, for a shift in POV, been reading the Telegraph comments. This quote hints at the tone of a number. quote: This programme has long since been wholly corrupted by left leaning, PC, pro-women, proselytising claptrap.
"Left-leaning" is an understandable criticism from the Telegraph - though I wish they would occasionally define what it is they mean and explain why it is wrong. Others included ecology in the political complaints. PC is shorthand for "why did they have a multicultural class?" Again, within the Telegraph's demographic, but they should really think about why they defend being rude. But "pro-women"? I don't actually think that Moffat is all that pro-women, but even if including more women, even as definitely iffy characters is seen as pro them, what's so wrong with that. I smell misogyny in that criticism.
I bet they loathed Blakes' Seven. [ 26. October 2014, 13:17: Message edited by: Penny S ]
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I'm worried about Peter Capaldi, he seems to have got awfully thin. He looks ill to me.
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quote: Originally posted by Robert Armin: Tonight's episode looked great, and I liked it a lot, but something is niggling at me. Not sure what it is until I watch the show again, and then it may evaporate of course.
I think many of the scenes were poorly paced, the transitions between scenes were a bit handwavy, and almost all attempt at tension dissipated almost before it gathered. And it had benevolent flying sparkles, which are brave.
In defence of the episode it is practically waving a flag saying 'dream logic' in every scene. On that level it works exceptionally. Still, it would be nice if it worked on at least one other level as well.
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quote: Originally posted by orfeo: That was intriguing and different. Not perfect, but pretty good. And very philosophical.
quote: Originally posted by Robert Armin: On question - why was Missy surprised at the end? No one, not even the Doctor, did anything brilliant. The day was saved by the trees, as they have apparently done countless times before (maybe that's what's niggling me). So what was there to surprise her?
If the Doctor can be surprised by trees, why can't Missy be surprised by trees? Unless you think she's God, she doesn't know everything.
Alternatively, she could be surprised that the trees weren't destroyed as a threat.
Perhaps she's surprised that nobody died? That's when she usually appears.
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Just an idle thought crossing an idle head: who told Maebh to eek out the Doctor? She keeps indicating that Clara did, but Clara doesn't seem to know anything about it. And, strictly speaking, Maebh does not say "Clara" or "Miss Oswald"--she just says "Miss" told her.
And a few episodes back, when Clara tells Courtney to call her Clara, Courtney replied "I prefer 'Miss'."
"Miss." "Missy." Coincidence?
And if it was not Clara who told Maebh to seek out the Doctor, was it the same "woman at the shop" who once told Clara to call the Doctor?
And next episode it looks like we have a return to UNIT. And this may tie up a dangling plot line from Day of the Doctor--Kate tells Clara that she (Clara) had security clearance since her last time there. Clara was startled because she had never been there before. Maybe next episode will be that first visit. In which case, apparently Clara impressed Kate enough that she could be trusted. [ 26. October 2014, 18:09: Message edited by: Hedgehog ]
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I hadn't noticed that, too ready to get irritated at the perpetual use of "Miss" as the appropriate title for female teachers, which it isn't. Most of my colleagues were married, for starters. And Miss is not the equivalent of Sir. Male royals get called Sir. Female royals do not get called Miss, whatever their marital status. It goes back to the time when female teachers could not have the degree which men had to have.
You've spotted something rather interesting - though how the outcome would surprise Missy, if she was involved in setting it up, isn't clear. Somebody on another site has suggested that Danny telling how he hadn't tried particularly hard to stay alive might lead in to him being revealed to be one of Missy's revenants.
I'm thinking of the Cauldron in the Mabinogion, and Ceridwen, and the Spiral Castle. Didn't the cauldron supply hordes of mindless reborn soldiers, and wasn't it stopped when someone who had been a bit of a iffy guy (Evnissyen?) redeemed himself by getting into it and bursting it? Someone said that myths were involved in this series, and all that stuff is Welsh.
It also occurs to me that there might still be multiple Claras - hence Missy emphasising "my Clara", a line repeated by the Doctor in the trailer for the finale. [ 26. October 2014, 19:42: Message edited by: Penny S ]
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I thought Maebh did say "Miss Oswald" had sent her to find The Doctor - that was caused him to pay attention to her. Or I just imagined it.
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quote: Originally posted by Roseofsharon: I thought Maebh did say "Miss Oswald" had sent her to find The Doctor - that was caused him to pay attention to her. Or I just imagined it.
The advantages of having it recorded. I just re-watched that portion. You are technically correct.
Maebh shows up at the TARDIS and tells the Doctor "Please, some one's chasing me." What? Who? Nobody was chasing her! And then, in the TARDIS, she states "I thought Miss Oswald told me to find the Doctor, but it wasn't her. It was just in my head."
Hmmmmmm. Wonder how it got there?
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Robert Armin
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Yes, I thought that too. Will need to watch it again to be sure.
(Cross posted - comment was agreeing with Roseofsharon.) [ 26. October 2014, 22:34: Message edited by: Robert Armin ]
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I thought kids calling their teachers "Miss" or "Mr whatever" went out with the Ark!
And one other thing about Maeve ... she was totally unsurprised about the Tardis being bigger on the inside.
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quote: Originally posted by Sparrow: I thought kids calling their teachers "Miss" or "Mr whatever" went out with the Ark!
Watching Educating the East End, they still seem to refer to teachers as "Miss xxx" or "Mrs yyy". They are less formal that when I was at school, but the address is still in place. It retains a degree of separation.
And are you suggesting that I am pre-diluvian? I know I feel old, but really, I could take offense.
quote: Originally posted by Sparrow: And one other thing about Maeve ... she was totally unsurprised about the Tardis being bigger on the inside.
This is becoming a theme. The Doctor expects everyone to comment, and visitors are becoming more blase about it. Interesting, and significant.
It does raise a problem with any series of this nature - it is set in the world we know, but where nobody has ever see the series. This is sometimes peculiar. Everyone knows about a Tardis, that is larger on the inside than the outside - it is part of our language. Except within the series. Iconic aspects of our culture are, by necessity, not present.
It is, of course, the same in the soaps - nobody in Eastenders watches Eastenders, although they are a clear natural audience for it, and some of them would discuss it. But they can't, of course.
Sometimes - just occasionally - this is shown. I think in the Tardis being bigger inside than outside, this is being shown. Maybe that is the point....
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quote: Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat: It is, of course, the same in the soaps - nobody in Eastenders watches Eastenders, although they are a clear natural audience for it, and some of them would discuss it. But they can't, of course.
It was rather nicely done in Father Ted (The Plague S2E6) where Ted and Dougal sit down to watch an episode of Father Ben and turn out to criticise their counterparts for their own obvious failings. I am surprised that "Doctor When" hasn't made an appearance in the Whoniverse yet.
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quote: Originally posted by Sparrow: I thought kids calling their teachers "Miss" or "Mr whatever" went out with the Ark!
Nope. Still the norm. Male teachers in primary schools get used to being called "MissIMeanSir" but otherwise...
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quote: Originally posted by Sparrow: I'm worried about Peter Capaldi, he seems to have got awfully thin. He looks ill to me.
I didn't notice that, but there were a few times when I thought he seemed to be limping quite obviously.
I feel a bit unsure about this episode. It wasn't bad - certainly not as bad as I feared, given the premise and above all, the excessively high Child Quotient. But I'm not sure whether it was good. I think I'll settle for "worthwhile departure from the norm". Coming at Who from a completely different direction is a vital part of keeping it fresh, even if you end up with the odd Love and Monsters.
I deliberately don't watch the spoilery trailers, so I've had to skim past a lot of discussion of those, but Missy's been handled quite well to this point. We were thrown a bone early on, had some ideas challenged, then some more odd stuff about being pleased with her choice of Clara and now her unexplained surprise. There's plenty to work with, and hopefully the answer will be obvious in hindsight, as in a good murder mystery, but for now, it's a teasing conundrum almost certainly laced with red herrings. I may have to watch the series again from the start this week.
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quote: Originally posted by The Great Gumby: quote: Originally posted by Sparrow: I'm worried about Peter Capaldi, he seems to have got awfully thin. He looks ill to me.
I didn't notice that, but there were a few times when I thought he seemed to be limping quite obviously.
He's looked unwell from the start - sometimes very much older than his real age. Then again in certain lights, you can sometimes see the younger personality that he used to be. Hard to believe he was only born in 1958 - he hasn't aged well. Though for the part of the Doctor, that's not a detriment.
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quote: Originally posted by orfeo: That was intriguing and different. Not perfect, but pretty good. And very philosophical.
quote: Originally posted by Robert Armin: On question - why was Missy surprised at the end? No one, not even the Doctor, did anything brilliant. The day was saved by the trees, as they have apparently done countless times before (maybe that's what's niggling me). So what was there to surprise her?
If the Doctor can be surprised by trees, why can't Missy be surprised by trees? Unless you think she's God, she doesn't know everything.
Alternatively, she could be surprised that the trees weren't destroyed as a threat.
Neither of them knew about the trees - and the trees didn't recognise the Doctor either. There might be some significence there. Or not!
I liked it, but it seemed more like a Sarah Jane Adventure that they'd rewritten for Doctor Who.
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Tubbs: quote: it seemed more like a Sarah Jane Adventure that they'd rewritten for Doctor Who.
That's quite a compliment for a Moffatt episode!
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quote: Originally posted by Ariel: He's looked unwell from the start - sometimes very much older than his real age. Then again in certain lights, you can sometimes see the younger personality that he used to be. Hard to believe he was only born in 1958 - he hasn't aged well. Though for the part of the Doctor, that's not a detriment.
Though strangely in some shots I thought he looked just like Andy Murray. Maybe it was just the accent.
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Maebh did explain why she didn't comment on the size of the Tardis - the city was full of trees, why should anything be normal?
How did she get out of the Museum, though? The door was quite an effort to open, and she had clearly been expected to be part of the group. Or did her mother think she should have been at home? Can't remember.
Missy tells the Doctor that he knows who she is. Which means we must know who she is, or Moffatt is being beastly with us.
When the Doctor met current Clara, on the rooftop with her laptop, there was a woman running some scam in the Shard stealing people's "souls" to put in a computer, wasn't there? One of Moffat's dominating female villains.
I fancy a female villain who isn't like that at all - sort of Violet Elizabeth Bott, all curls and pink and frills like Grayson Perry in full performance mode, swinging between eyelash fluttering "I'm only a poor little woman" and screeming and skreeming until she's sick. While hiding a deep and incisive intelligence that really is intelligent.
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quote: Originally posted by Penny S: I fancy a female villain who isn't like that at all - sort of Violet Elizabeth Bott, all curls and pink and frills like Grayson Perry in full performance mode, swinging between eyelash fluttering "I'm only a poor little woman" and screeming and skreeming until she's sick. While hiding a deep and incisive intelligence that really is intelligent.
That description puts me in mind of Dolores Umbridge, though I'm not sure that's quite what you have in mind.
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quote: Originally posted by Penny S: How did she get out of the Museum, though? The door was quite an effort to open, and she had clearly been expected to be part of the group. Or did her mother think she should have been at home? Can't remember.
There is quite a lot that doesn't quite make sense about Maebh. She shows up at the TARDIS stating that Miss Oswald told her to find the Doctor, only (she explains) it wasn't Miss Oswald, it was just in her head. And then she is remarkably casual about the TARDIS. I mean, even with trees everywhere, the dimension change is worth at least a double-take. And then, if she was supposed to be with the school group, how is it that neither Clara nor Danny noticed her missing until the Doctor called? They were having a sleep-over at a museum, for crying out loud. They didn't check to make sure everybody was there when they woke up? Not even Danny whose last breath would leave his body before he left those children? And, as you say, if the trees grew before Maebh left the group, how did she get out of the museum? And if she left before the trees grew, then why did she leave? Because of her dream? And why did she say to the Doctor that something was chasing her when we saw no sign of anything chasing anybody until the zoo scene much later?
Perhaps it is the presence of Maebh that Missy found so surprising? Or the fact that the Doctor at least seems to have accepted Maebh at face value despite all the strangeness?
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quote: That description puts me in mind of Dolores Umbridge, though I'm not sure that's quite what you have in mind.
No, more gurlie, younger, slimmer and not so obviously cruel. Not so obviously villainous at first. I didn't think of her at all - so I ought to be more careful. She doesn't look like Grayson Perry in Claire mode, now, does she? And not having a name which says I am a villain. She could turn up with cakes, of GBBO standard, and be terribly terribly helpful.
I think I'm going somewhere not all that distant.
Come to think of it, "Os" is an Anglo-Saxon prefix meaning "god". Oswin - godfriend, Oswald - godrule.
Missy has been referenced with that title. [ 27. October 2014, 19:14: Message edited by: Penny S ]
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One thing that I don't get, is that in one episode (can't remember which one, the second or third) the start of the episode saw the Doctor and Clara tied up on some planet with the Doctor talking of sand piranas. I don't remember that being resolved.
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Jay-Emm
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quote: Originally posted by Rosa Winkel: One thing that I don't get, is that in one episode (can't remember which one, the second or third) the start of the episode saw the Doctor and Clara tied up on some planet with the Doctor talking of sand piranas. I don't remember that being resolved.
I think it was part of a double life montage. I don't think the details were meant to be important. The key bit seemed to be her trying to fit two lives into one. Contrasting her repeatedly getting into and out of trouble so often that they can't even show the whole thing with fragments of her 'normal' life and rushed elements of her growing friendship with Danny.
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This episode was somehow unsatisfying, especially after how much I'd enjoyed the last two. I'm not sure if it was the fairy-tale ending, the lack of a sense of threat, or just all the confusing plot holes around Maebh. Anyway, I also thought it interesting that the week after the Doctor gets his "step out of the TARDIS and give his 'I protect this planet'" speech, he gets undermined by a much older energy, saying "No, we protect this planet, and we've never even heard of you, so sod off" sort of thing.
Very much looking forward to the finale and hoping we get some answers about Missy. (AND maybe even some ideas about how they got out of the Doctor's timeline back in Trenzalore in the Name of the Doctor, which is still annoying me... maybe I'm reading too much into the smoke and fire set in the start of the trailer.)
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Penny S
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I suspect that the ending of the tale, with Annabelle being returned, may have related to some edited stuff at the beginning - since Maebh only started picking up thoughts afterwards. Possibly Annabelle was "taken" in the Sidhe type of fairy sense in order to set up a connection with Maebh. Job done, she is returned. There are, I think, names which should really not be given to children if they are in a world in which such names would arouse echoes. [ 28. October 2014, 10:22: Message edited by: Penny S ]
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Yes - this episode is obviously riffing of the ancient elemental forces which were introduced in the Torchwood episode 'Small Worlds' which are in the habit of stealing children.
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The part that really struck me as strange was Clara persuading the Doctor not to take the children in the Tardis and rescue them from the doomed Earth, reasoning that if he did they would miss their parents forever. Yes, you rescue a child from a situation where their parents die, the parents will be missed all the child's life, but that seems no justification for not saving the child, given the chance.
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Actually, it wasn't just that they would miss their parents - it is that they would miss the rest of their species. I am not sure it was the right or sensible choice, but I think it was an interesting decision. Is it really better to survive as the last 10 members of your species, without a home planet, than to die?
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Penny S
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The last of the species or group has been a theme, hasn't it? There was the Teller. And the robots in search of the Promised Land had a touch of it. The mummy was the last of his group, though not species, and the robot in the Caretaker. And Orson.
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Except for the Master. And the rest of the Time Lords who may well turn up again. Is Missy one?
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She's probably the Master in a female body. The name could be a bit of a giveaway.
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