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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Sipech:
The latest contribution from Mr Ignorant, himself was this gem: quote:
Man shot inside Paris police station. Just announced that terror threat is at highest level. Germany is a total mess-big crime. GET SMART!
Surely, he is the pinnacle of American erudition.
I don't think he is ignorant. He's using a time-honoured formula of finding a scapegoat. Muslims instead of Jews, but same principal.
If you would properly apply the term ignorant, it is the label for his supporters.
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jbohn
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Originally posted by Sipech:
The latest contribution from Mr Ignorant, himself was this gem: quote:
Man shot inside Paris police station. Just announced that terror threat is at highest level. Germany is a total mess-big crime. GET SMART!
Surely, he is the pinnacle of American erudition.
I liked this response:
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Dave Itzkoff @ditzkoff 4h4 hours ago
.@realDonaldTrump I also enjoy GET SMART. But let's not underestimate POLICE SQUAD! And BROOKLYN 99.
(police-type TV shows, for the non-US Shipmates; "Get Smart"was a goofy spy/comedy show.)
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Sioni Sais
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Trump threatens to take his money out of the UK if he is barred
This could be the decider. Moreover some MPs who have it in for the SNP could take this as an opportunity to get at Scotland but more generally, can anyone, anywhere want someone this selfish to be president of anything, let alone in a position of serious power? The Supreme Court would be working 24/7.
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Og, King of Bashan
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The intent of the petition was to condemn Trump's terrible proposal.
The result of the petition is a debate that cannot lead to any action, and an opportunity for Trump to show his supporters that he won't be the kind of president that will be pushed around by anyone for speaking his mind.
If you don't call him out for saying terrible stuff, he gets away with it. If you do call him out, he turns it into a talking point that will only get his supporters more riled up.
Good lord this is getting obnoxious.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Trump threatens to take his money out of the UK if he is barred
Is that supposed to discourage or encourage the UK to ban him - I'm not quite clear ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
I'm a little confused that anyone might expect him to want to invest in a country he can't visit, though.
I think the UK would be a beacon of light to the nations if they told him to go shove his money.
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Brenda Clough
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I assure you, US citizens envy you the ability to bar him. This guy is the human Ebola -- nobody wants him.
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Kelly Alves
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The guy is just cruising along on the last 20 seconds or so of his prolonged 15 minutes.
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Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Enoch
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Apart from the question whether anyone cares, I don't think anyone believes he still intends to invest anything in Scotland now anyway.
[ 07. January 2016, 19:54: Message edited by: Enoch ]
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Palimpsest
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Sadly his fame might last a bit longer. The Republicans front loaded the primaries to get a fast leader. The establishment is now in a cold sweat over the possibility he may take New Hampshire and if he does well in North Carolina then became the candidate. They also are thinking if he is the candidate the Republicans might lose enough seats to lose control of the Senate.
I'd agree it would be nice if he faded away but that might not happen.
As for Scotland, you probably could get some Americans to pay well if you let him in and then didn't let him out.
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leftfieldlover
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The Donald may be ignorant and he may be ridiculous but basically he is a very rich American who is saying what quite a lot of Americans agree with! However, I cannot believe that even the most red-necked American would want him as their President. If he is the Republican candidate the Democrats would win absolutely everything! Presidency, Congress, the Senate, the lot. But if by some weird stretch of the imagination, he was to win the Presidency, where on earth would he be welcome? Can you imagine HM Queen putting him up at the Palace or going for a ride in the early morning mist at Windsor.
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cliffdweller
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Originally posted by Palimpsest:
As for Scotland, you probably could get some Americans to pay well if you let him in and then didn't let him out.
Where do I send the check?
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by leftfieldlover:
..... if by some weird stretch of the imagination, he was to win the Presidency, where on earth would he be welcome? Can you imagine HM Queen putting him up at the Palace or going for a ride in the early morning mist at Windsor.
Robert Mugabe and Vladimir Putin amongst others still get invitations. I suppose he'll be more welcome than those two.
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itsarumdo
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Originally posted by leftfieldlover:
The Donald may be ignorant and he may be ridiculous but basically he is a very rich American who is saying what quite a lot of Americans agree with! However, I cannot believe that even the most red-necked American would want him as their President. If he is the Republican candidate the Democrats would win absolutely everything! Presidency, Congress, the Senate, the lot. But if by some weird stretch of the imagination, he was to win the Presidency, where on earth would he be welcome? Can you imagine HM Queen putting him up at the Palace or going for a ride in the early morning mist at Windsor.
Reminds me of Goldfinger
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Pigwidgeon
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He had a rally in Burlington, Vermont last night -- he distributed more than 20,000 tickets for a venue that seats 1,400. Approximately 2,000 showed up, but he of course claimed 25,000. Attendees had to say they supported him before be allowed in, and protestors who got in anyway were kicked out, in at least one case without being allowed to take his coat. It was below freezing. (Bernie Sanders was once the Mayor of Burlington.)
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Og, King of Bashan
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I have certainly been asked if I actually support the candidate before being issued tickets to events- probably going to become even more common in the era of phone cameras and youtube. (The flower shop where my wife works was booked for a fundraiser for an unnamed candidate, and anyone who showed up had to sign a strict nondisclosure agreement- probably pretty standard operating procedure following Romney's 47% video.)
But what interests me is the 20,000 tickets turning into 2,000 attendees. He better have a better strategy to get people out of their houses on caucus nights.
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Pigwidgeon
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If candidates are only talking to those who already support them, what's the point? I thought these events were to convince the undecided -- or maybe even those who support another candidate.
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Og, King of Bashan
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I think the point of appearances and rallies is to get your base excited and ready to vote and write you checks.
What's the point of going if you support the other guy, or if you actively don't support the person who is talking? (I am extremely non-confrontational, to the point that I get physically uncomfortable in the presence of confrontation that I have nothing to do with, so I really don't understand the appeal of heckling.)
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by itsarumdo:
quote:
Originally posted by leftfieldlover:
The Donald may be ignorant and he may be ridiculous but basically he is a very rich American who is saying what quite a lot of Americans agree with! However, I cannot believe that even the most red-necked American would want him as their President. If he is the Republican candidate the Democrats would win absolutely everything! Presidency, Congress, the Senate, the lot. But if by some weird stretch of the imagination, he was to win the Presidency, where on earth would he be welcome? Can you imagine HM Queen putting him up at the Palace or going for a ride in the early morning mist at Windsor.
Reminds me of Goldfinger
He reminds me of Blofeld, right down to the cat on his head.
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Barnabas62
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Interesting 538 analysis.
I hope Nate Silver is right. It is also time for the GOP movers and shakers to get their act together.
I note also that Bernie Sanders has a significant and increased poll lead over Hillary in New Hampshire.
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
I note also that Bernie Sanders has a significant and increased poll lead over Hillary in New Hampshire.
I’m not sure how much Hillary should worry about that; obviously, it’s the first big test but Bernie is from Vermont. Vermont and New Hampshire are like two old siblings living together--constantly squabbling, but more alike than either would care to admit. Sanders knows how to talk to them.
A win in New Hampshire would give him a boost of attention, but I’m not at all certain he can turn it into the nomination. Hillary may not take Southern states in the election, but her support among Southern Democratic Primary voters is strong.
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Og, King of Bashan
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It's an interesting effect of state-by-state primaries and caucuses. Clinton may take command of the Democratic nomination with strong showings in red states, and whichever GOP establishment candidate survives New Hampshire may be able to stave off Trump and Cruz by winning delegates from blue states.
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Enoch
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Tracey Ullmann has claimed in the BBC today that she knows Donald Trump's hair is real because on meeting him some time back, she took the opportunity to give it a surreptitious pull.
Mind, despite that, she still didn't speak complementarily of it.
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Crœsos
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The participants in the next Republican primary debate (held this Thursday) have been determined by host and sponsor Fox Business Network. They are:
- Republican frontrunner Donald Trump
- Ted Cruz
- Marco Rubio
- Ben Carson
- Chris Christie
- J.E.B. Bush
- John Kasich
The list gets shorter as the Iowa caucuses get closer. In order to qualify for the debate candidates had to be among the top six in an average of national surveys or one of the top five in the average of surveys in either Iowa or New Hampshire. The Republican primary undercard / kiddie table / remainder bin debate will consist of:
- Rand Paul
- Carly Fiorina
- Mike Huckabee
- Rick Santorum
Paul and Fiorina have been "sent down to the minors" since the last debate. For Fiorina this is a return to where she started out, after a brief turn in the main event debate. For Rand Paul it's his first time on the smaller stage. And for Chris Christie it's a triumphant (or at least as 'triumphant' as being in fifth place can be) return.
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LeRoc
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I understand that Rand Paul will refuse to participate.
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
I understand that Rand Paul will refuse to participate.
Will anyone notice?
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simontoad
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I can't wait for the Trump attack ads. One I'd design would start with a golden retriever running across an open field.
Then I'd show a shorn Golden retriever standing in a pile of its golden trusses, shivering.
Then I'd show that photo of Trump Steven Colbert uses, with his yellow toupee standing on end in the wind. Then I'd run a little line across the bottom: No Golden Retrievers were harmed in the making of this commercial.
I don't fully understand, or understand at all really, the laws around election commercials, but I would name my Super-pac TRUMP HAIR LIES.
I'm actually a little bit scared that Trump is a fascist in the Mussolini mold.
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Og, King of Bashan
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I know you are being silly, but bear in mind that if making fun of Trump's hair were an effective campaign tactic, he would have been done a long time ago.
Part of the problem is that he is skilled at the schoolyard bully game. You can come at him with what you thought was a well-thought-out attack, but somehow he will have his cronies laughing at you before you know what went wrong. Then the media starts breathlessly reporting his outrageous comeback and he dominates the news cycle again.
The other problem is that his supporters seem to rally most when he is under attack. I have even read suggestions that his best strategy might be to come out with a new outrageous statement along the lines of the Muslim travel ban shortly before the Iowa caucus, allow the media to react, and watch his base come to his defense.
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Og: Thread Killer
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
The guy is just cruising along on the last 20 seconds or so of his prolonged 15 minutes.
Been hearing that since the summer.
Gosh this reminds me so much of Rob Ford.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
Part of the problem is that he is skilled at the schoolyard bully game. You can come at him with what you thought was a well-thought-out attack, but somehow he will have his cronies laughing at you before you know what went wrong. Then the media starts breathlessly reporting his outrageous comeback and he dominates the news cycle again.
The other problem is that his supporters seem to rally most when he is under attack. I have even read suggestions that his best strategy might be to come out with a new outrageous statement along the lines of the Muslim travel ban shortly before the Iowa caucus, allow the media to react, and watch his base come to his defense.
The other problem is that the real answers are complex to outline, slow to be deployed and cannot be guaranteed.
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georgiaboy
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The most effective anti-Trump tactic would, of course, be a total media boycott. The media have throughout his candidacy been total suckers to His Royal Brattiness.
In Ship terms, they have been 'feeding the troll.'
Such a tactic, however devoutly to be wished, will never happen.
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Og, King of Bashan
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Just look at how many Trump related articles we have clicked on and shared here. Everyone loves reading about the guy, even if the mere thought of him having a chance at winning scares the hell out of us.
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Crœsos
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Originally posted by georgiaboy:
The most effective anti-Trump tactic would, of course, be a total media boycott. The media have throughout his candidacy been total suckers to His Royal Brattiness.
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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
Just look at how many Trump related articles we have clicked on and shared here. Everyone loves reading about the guy, even if the mere thought of him having a chance at winning scares the hell out of us.
OKB hits the nail on the head. "The media" (however defined) aren't "total suckers" for Trump, they've been laughing all the way to the high ratings bank. The job of for-profit media organizations isn't to pick and choose the 'right' Republican presidential nominee, it's to increase profits through higher ratings.
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
"The media" (however defined) aren't "total suckers" for Trump, they've been laughing all the way to the high ratings bank.
Well, I for one change channels whenever news of Trump comes on. Trouble is, I'm running out of channels to change to. ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif)
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simontoad
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Not me. I love laughing at Trump, and then clicking the heels of my sparkly red shoes while saying "Trump won't become President, Trump won't become President."
I do think that Trump won't become President. Surely he will be the best form of spur to voting for his opponents. Surely America's minorities will come out in droves if Trump is the candidate.
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Well, Trump at least does distract from the appalling nature of the rest of the Republican candidates. It's hard to figure out which one is least loathsome.
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Originally posted by simontoad:
Not me. I love laughing at Trump, and then clicking the heels of my sparkly red shoes while saying "Trump won't become President, Trump won't become President."
I do think that Trump won't become President. Surely he will be the best form of spur to voting for his opponents. Surely America's minorities will come out in droves if Trump is the candidate.
Everyone said all that of a silly little man with a moustache.
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Originally posted by Palimpsest:
Well, Trump at least does distract from the appalling nature of the rest of the Republican candidates. It's hard to figure out which one is least loathsome.
Not so tough a calculation for the dims.
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Soror Magna
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So who is it, then?
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So who is it, then?
The old white one...the only one they've got.
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My son is involved with the local GoP, and he assures me that Marco Rubio is the least repugnant of them all.
The local pols are sufficiently upset by Trump that the word has gone out. In our state you have to affirm that you are a Republican before you can vote in the primary. However, there is no follow-on -- they cannot check on how you actually vote in the general election. They don't even look out at the parking lot at your car, to admire that Hillary 2016 bumper sticker. So they are urging everyone, of all parties, to become Republicans for 20 minutes and vote in the primary -- against Trump. The next day you can revert back to your usual lefty ways and start supporting Hillary or Bernie again. But they are desperate, to push Trump back.
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I would have thought you could probably stick a blue rosette on a donkey and consider it a shoo-in.
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Originally posted by Palimpsest:
Well, Trump at least does distract from the appalling nature of the rest of the Republican candidates. It's hard to figure out which one is least loathsome.
I think that's the most dangerous part of Trump's candidacy-- it lowers the bar for reasonableness. Standing next to Trump makes the other candidates seem benign and normal, allows their only slightly less hate-filled/ insane rhetoric sound plausible. I'm with Rue that a Trump candidacy is a win for the DNC regardless of who we end up putting forward. But the danger is instead that we'll get Cruz or Carson or Rubio (each of which is quite problematic in a number of ways) but because Trump has been drawing all the fire for months, their destructive politics won't rise to the public attn in time to defeat them.
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Sioni Sais
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I would have thought you could probably stick a blue rosette on a donkey and consider it a shoo-in.
Don't kid yourself. Reagan didn't just get elected, he got re-elected. Not bad for someone who was out-acted by an ape.
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Don't kid yourself. Reagan didn't just get elected, he got re-elected. Not bad for someone who was out-acted by an ape.
And who ran the country based on his wife's astrologer's advice. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Og, King of Bashan
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Chelsea Clinton has started making appearances for her mother, stating that Sanders is planning on dismantling Obamacare and Medicare. No mention, natch, that he wants to replace the old systems with a single payer system.
Is someone getting a little worried?
(A discussion of this elsewhere did raise an interesting question from a Clinton supporter- given that most of Sanders' proposals would require not just a Democratic house majority and 70 senators, but a Progressive Democratic house majority and 70 senators, which he won't have in the next 8 years, what's the point of even proposing them? On single payer, I haven't seen the data, but I have read that, when asked a certain way, a majority of Americans actually support single payer. My bet is that it will take a state doing it successfully after a ballot initiative before any real momentum picks up at the national level. It's up for a vote in Colorado in 2016. Legal weed and single payer healthcare- we could lead the way on both.)
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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
Chelsea Clinton has started making appearances for her mother, stating that Sanders is planning on dismantling Obamacare and Medicare.
She should be okay as long as she keeps to slamming Bernie.
If she turns to attacking Trump I would guess that he would make national news out of her uncanny resemblance to her mother's former law partner...
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