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mousethief
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And Trump saying he'd purge the bureaucracy and install all people loyal to himself. Interestingly, and not to invoke Godwin (who is overrated), but that's one of the first things Hitler did on taking over.
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And Trump saying he'd purge the bureaucracy and install all people loyal to himself.
I was just saying that to a co-worker. The news that one of the first pieces of legislation Trump wants is to be able to fire all Obama appointees (including, presumably, any judges of Mexican descent) and make it easier to fire other civil service employees looks seriously like a governmental purge--something the USA has generally avoided as far as I can recall.
Do Republicans really want to institutionalize such a system, knowing that at some point a Democrat will be elected President and could do the same to all Republican appointees? I want to believe that it is just More Hot Air designed to rile up the Trump base (who love the idea of "throw the bums out" regardless of consequences) but with no real intent to ever carry it through. But, then, I fear a lot of totalitarian dictatorships started because people thought that the dictator didn't really mean everything he said. As Og said a few posts back, it is fun to giggle over all this crap, but there is a terrifying serious side to all of this that Americans need to focus on.
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Originally posted by Hedgehog:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
And Trump saying he'd purge the bureaucracy and install all people loyal to himself.
I was just saying that to a co-worker. The news that one of the first pieces of legislation Trump wants is to be able to fire all Obama appointees (including, presumably, any judges of Mexican descent) and make it easier to fire other civil service employees looks seriously like a governmental purge -- something the USA has generally avoided as far as I can recall.
There is some history of this in the U.S., mostly related to the 19th century spoils system. The ability to provide government jobs to supporters and cronies led to massive amounts of corruption and, eventually, the Civil Service Reform Act of 1883. Trump seems to be promising/threatening to undo almost a century and a half of progressively stricter anti-corruption laws.
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Pearl B4 Swine
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
It's a three-ring circus in Cleveland.
It gives circuses a bad name.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Whatever else you can say about Cruz, he does have cojones. This is the best commentary on that I've found today.
Cruz is just a Blue Democrat who doesn't respect Donald's Mandate. It's amazing how interchangeable these threads are.
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Originally posted by Hedgehog:
The news that one of the first pieces of legislation Trump wants is to be able to fire all Obama appointees (including, presumably, any judges of Mexican descent) . . . .
Fortunately, the Constitution will make it impossible for him to fire judicial appointees.
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Do Republicans really want to institutionalize such a system, knowing that at some point a Democrat will be elected President and could do the same to all Republican appointees? I want to believe that it is just More Hot Air designed to rile up the Trump base (who love the idea of "throw the bums out" regardless of consequences) but with no real intent to ever carry it through. But, then, I fear a lot of totalitarian dictatorships started because people thought that the dictator didn't really mean everything he said. As Og said a few posts back, it is fun to giggle over all this crap, but there is a terrifying serious side to all of this that Americans need to focus on.
My hunch is that the Republicans (like Paul Ryan) who are reluctantly backing Trump are doing so with the expectation that a Republican Congress will be a check on his crazier ideas by not enacting them into law. Meanwhile, they'll have a Republican in the White House making appointments, etc. But who knows.
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Brenda Clough
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They can't control Trump now, a private person. How will they control him if he's President? They are deluding themselves.
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Nick Tamen
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Originally posted by Callan:
Cruz is just a Blue Democrat . . . .
![[Confused]](confused.gif) Do you mean a blue dog Democrat?
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Nick Tamen
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
They can't control Trump now, a private person. How will they control him if he's President? They are deluding themselves.
Well, if they're thinking along the lines of my hunch, that would be the fatal flaw in their plan, I fear.
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Originally posted by Nick Tamen:
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Originally posted by Callan:
Cruz is just a Blue Democrat . . . .
Do you mean a blue dog Democrat?
I think it's a comparison to the matching British opposite/equiv.
'Red Tory' is used by some to describe members of the Labour party who are also in argument with their leader, it's vaguely RIN(ame)O(nly).
There are of course many differences, but on the other hand it is sometimes instructive how we do irregular verb things.
[pedantic point, the colour's missed a transpose somewhere with all the inversions, it should be '(republican)red Democrat']
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Nick Tamen
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Ah. That makes sense—much more sense than trying to make Cruz out to be a blue dog Democrat. Thanks.
[ 21. July 2016, 19:53: Message edited by: Nick Tamen ]
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Cruz is more Republican that Trump, some knickers are twisted because he isn't backing the beast.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Whatever else you can say about Cruz, he does have cojones. This is the best commentary on that I've found today.
Hardly. It was a savvy political move. There's nothing to be gained by joining the reluctant train of double talking trumpeters and everything to gain from separating from the herd for 2020 after trump crashes one way or another. The fact that Cruz policies are not that different from trumps matters not
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He's got the Presidential Seal embroidered on his underpants.
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
He's got the Presidential Seal embroidered on his underpants.
I hope you're not speaking from personal knowledge.
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Originally posted by Hedgehog:
... I want to believe that it is just More Hot Air designed to rile up the Trump base (who love the idea of "throw the bums out" regardless of consequences) but with no real intent to ever carry it through. But, then, I fear a lot of totalitarian dictatorships started because people thought that the dictator didn't really mean everything he said. ...
Since, presumably, he does not deliberately present himself as a liar, you owe it to him to assume that he means what he says, and to evaluate him on that basis.
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Brenda Clough
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Originally posted by Enoch:
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Originally posted by Hedgehog:
... I want to believe that it is just More Hot Air designed to rile up the Trump base (who love the idea of "throw the bums out" regardless of consequences) but with no real intent to ever carry it through. But, then, I fear a lot of totalitarian dictatorships started because people thought that the dictator didn't really mean everything he said. ...
Since, presumably, he does not deliberately present himself as a liar, you owe it to him to assume that he means what he says, and to evaluate him on that basis.
That is what is so difficult, and so frightening. If you point out to a Trump supporter that their candidate has just advocated the deporting of all Muslims, he will say, "Oh, but Donald is just saying that. He doesn't mean it." Well, if you cannot know that he means what he says, then what does he mean? He is a blank screen, upon which people project their mutually incompatible nuttinesses.
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Hedgehog
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Since, presumably, he does not deliberately present himself as a liar, you owe it to him to assume that he means what he says, and to evaluate him on that basis.
In my experience, most liars do not deliberately present themselves as liars--that would rather defeat the purpose of telling the lie.
In any event, my evaluation of Trump is that he is an inveterate liar. As I think I observed some time ago on this thread, Trump says things solely for effect and without caring whether they are true or not. Truth is irrelevant to him.
That is, of course, a hallmark of a manipulator, of a demagogue and, ultimately, of a charismatic dictator. In other words, even if what he says is a lie spoken for effect only and he does not truly intend to do what he says, the end result is the same--he is not a fit person for the office of President of the United States (or the leader of any country, for that matter).
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Enoch
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Originally posted by Hedgehog:
... he is not a fit person for the office of President of the United States (or the leader of any country, for that matter).
We all know that and agree on it.
The point I'm making is that you should take the line that he does mean what he says, and press others both to do the same and evaluate him on that basis, in season and out of season and whether they are willing to listen or not.
That approach has the additional benefit of sharpening the debate, making the issues even more obvious.
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Hedgehog
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Originally posted by Enoch:
The point I'm making is that you should take the line that he does mean what he says, and press others both to do the same and evaluate him on that basis, in season and out of season and whether they are willing to listen or not.
That approach has the additional benefit of sharpening the debate, making the issues even more obvious.
My perspective is slightly different. If I insist that Trump is telling the truth to a Trump supporter who believes he is "just saying that" I won't get anywhere in the debate. My view will be ignored because "I don't get it--he doesn't mean it."
My approach, however, is more flexible: If the Trumpite believes it to be true, I can argue that it is true and that is why Trump is too dangerous to elect. If the Trumpite believes he is "just saying that" I can point out that it is, therefore, another Trump lie and, as stated above, he is still too dangerous to elect. My argument works no matter which stance the opponent takes, without disagreeing with their conviction as to truth or lie.
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Re whether Trump's for real:
"When someone shows you who they are, believe them--the first time."
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Brenda Clough
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Oh, I knew this would happen, I just knew it. Pay no attention to those tedious genealogies in Matthew. Jesus was not a Jew. Because he had to be white, the chosen race.
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Breaking news: Headline on HuffPost is that a Trump worker leaked a draft of Trump's acceptance speech (for the nomination tonight) "directly to Hillary"! The supposed text is here.
I'm wading through it. IMHO, some parts of it might be ok, if said by someone remotely trustworthy. But in the context of Trump...
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Oh, I knew this would happen, I just knew it. Pay no attention to those tedious genealogies in Matthew. Jesus was not a Jew. Because he had to be white, the chosen race.
This kind has always been with us. I remember reading shit like this in the 80s, and it wasn't new then. And we already know the KKK and the white supremacists support Trump. So, no real revelation here.
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Golden Key
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George Takei Warns What A Trump Presidency Could Mean For America “I still remember the day armed guards marched up our driveway with bayonets, ordering us out of our home.”
That's both article and video. He made the video in Spanish, which he seems to speak well, in order to implore Latinos not to vote for Trump, so that they won't wind up in internment camps, as his family did. Good video, with English translation at the bottom.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Breaking news: Headline on HuffPost is that a Trump worker leaked a draft of Trump's acceptance speech (for the nomination tonight) "directly to Hillary"! The supposed text is here.
I'm wading through it. IMHO, some parts of it might be ok, if said by someone remotely trustworthy. But in the context of Trump...
That speech is far too articulate, far to reasoned and contains too few references to Trump. Even if that is the speech written for him, it will not be what he spews.
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Golden Key
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lB--
I've been watching him speak since the beginning of the speech. He's stuck to the script, except for adding a few things in. (I'm following the script online.)
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Also, he's shouting it like he's deliberately imitating -- well, that guy. Fuck me.
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lilBuddha
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Huh. Well, I guess he needs to practice reading other people's words as he isn't capable of making policy decisions himself
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Og, King of Bashan
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
I'm wading through it. IMHO, some parts of it might be ok...
And therein lies the problem. Trump says things that are highly attractive to blue collar Americans who have lost their jobs in the last 20 years. He's not just a buffoon who is saying vile racist things. He says things that many people find to be reasonable. Trade deals are unpopular with many folks. Defense treaties are also unpopular with many folks. I was hearing the same people on the radio today who probably gave Obama a hard time about letting the Russians grab Odessa saying that, yes, the Balkan states should fend for themselves, treaties, obligations, and international reputations be damned. His promise is that we can walk away from both, and you will be better off. A lot of people agree with that. Our brains are wired to look out for our own interests, and that's what he's saying he's going to do.
This is a real deal, folks. The man is tapping into a cultural mood that is more powerful than most of us can appreciate. Be ready for this to get close.
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Vote America. Vote to keep that bastard out.
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Kelly Alves
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Thank you.
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Og--
Yes. Just for the record: I didn't find the whole thing reasonable, and I'm not voting for him.
But sending manufacturing jobs overseas hurt Americans and communities a lot. Pretty much everything else is about context. Safer country? Sure. Good schools for everyone? Sure. But the way he would do it? No, thanks.
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Also, he's shouting it like he's deliberately imitating -- well, that guy. Fuck me.
Not correcting you; but ISTM he often yells. I've sometimes wondered if he has a hearing problem. He almost looks like he's trying to hear *himself*.
I may be mistaken, though.
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I've seen him speak before, I 'm aware he's loud. When I walked in my mom's room for a minute, he was screaming.
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Fair enough. I've found that not everyone perceives him as yelling.
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For Republicans to complain about the effect of globalization is a bit hypocritical. I believe the Democrats did call for policies designed to transition workers into the new economy and policies strengthening the social safety net that would assist people in the transition period. Republicans I believe opposed these policies as big government.
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Fair enough. I've found that not everyone perceives him as yelling.
It was not the decibel level, it was the red face, the swinging hands, and the angry tone in his voice that made it more than just strong rhetoric for me. Like I said, it was frighteningly familiar to me. Frightening, period.
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Originally posted by Anglican_Brat:
For Republicans to complain about the effect of globalization is a bit hypocritical. I believe the Democrats did call for policies designed to transition workers into the new economy and policies strengthening the social safety net that would assist people in the transition period. Republicans I believe opposed these policies as big government.
If honesty were a requirement for politics, very few people currently in it would be allowed to remain.
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The closing music, after the speech, was "You Can't Always Get What You Want"!
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
The closing music, after the speech, was "You Can't Always Get What You Want"!
I seriously doubt that the Rolling Stones gave permission for that.
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Seeing reports that Clinton may name a running mate this afternoon, to stomp on any momentum Trump may have gained in the convention.
Tim Kane of Virginia is apparently emerging as the odds-on favorite.
I am a little surprised, as I have long anticipated a Latino or Latina on at least one of the tickets. No doubt there are qualified Latino / Latina candidates out there. But nobody pays me to vet and pick running mates, and they probably have good reasons for their pick.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
The closing music, after the speech, was "You Can't Always Get What You Want"!
I'd forgotten this incident:
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Keith Richards Once Threatened to Knife-Fight Donald Trump.
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Pigwidgeon
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On a lighter note:
The Borowitz Report:
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Donald J. Trump was jubilant Thursday night after accomplishing his goal of delivering a speech that no one will ever want to plagiarize, Trump aides confirmed.
(Borowitz is a humorist, but often humor is where the truth comes out. Think of Shakespeare's "fools.")
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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
Seeing reports that Clinton may name a running mate this afternoon, to stomp on any momentum Trump may have gained in the convention.
Tim Kane of Virginia is apparently emerging as the odds-on favorite.
I am a little surprised, as I have long anticipated a Latino or Latina on at least one of the tickets. No doubt there are qualified Latino / Latina candidates out there. But nobody pays me to vet and pick running mates, and they probably have good reasons for their pick.
Often veep pick is to shore up support in a demographic the presidential candidate is weak in. Which is why so many veeps were southerners for many years. Since Hills has something like 85% of the Latino/a vote, she doesn't really need to have a Latino/a running mate.
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I was hoping she would pick Tom Vilsack.(sp?) Only because the man is an orphan, and was left on a doorstep in infancy. Wouldn't it be great to see the Trump machine go crazy about who his parents really were? It would be better than being Kenyan. And the counter story, of course, about the rocket ship in the prairie, the elderly couple in the car, the red and blue blankets still up in the attic...
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Hedgehog
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It is tough to read between the lines, but I get the idea this guy doesn't like Trump.
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Og, King of Bashan
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Often veep pick is to shore up support in a demographic the presidential candidate is weak in. Which is why so many veeps were southerners for many years. Since Hills has something like 85% of the Latino/a vote, she doesn't really need to have a Latino/a running mate.
I get that. I just think it would be a good thing for our country to have something other than four white people on the top of the ticket (which is not to imply that you disagree). Granted, Kane is still just a rumor, so it could still happen.
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