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cliffdweller
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
Yes. As bad as it is to be in US right now, California may be able to stave off the worst of the effects. But it really, really will suck to live in a red state in the next few years. Even the Trump voters don't deserve what they're likely to get.
Sure they do. But Trump will tell them that what they're getting is really great. My sympathy is for those who voted against him and are in red states. Blue states aren't going to be all that great either as Congress turns off the funding faucets.
It will be hard here in true-blue Calif., but remember that federal taxes are a net loss for us-- we pay out more than we get back. And we have a lot of left-wing billionaires here. So we can expect federal taxes to go down for us and state taxes to go up as more and more things like Covered California get shifted to the state level. I'm not suggesting there'll be no impact-- there will be no escaping the Trumpacalypse for any of us. But I think a large, prosperous blue state will have an easier time navigating it then the already struggling red states where federal funding is a net gain.
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Brenda Clough
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Any removal of Tiny Fingers must come from the GOP. They hold both houses of Congress. They themselves must become disgusted to the point of revolt, or, more likely, terrified until they are driven to act.
To get Turtle Man (love it!!) to this pass is going to be hard. They do not want another failed presidency (like Nixon). They will not want to admit it. You can avert your eyes from disaster for years, and they will. They'll be compelled to, by ego and the lust for power.
I cannot imagine the scope of the calamity that will get their heads up out of the sand, but it's going to be bad.
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Brenda Clough
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BTW, the Washington Post has removed its paywall through Saturday. So you can pop over and read all the inaugural and March coverage for free.
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Alt Wally
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
It will be hard here in true-blue Calif., but remember that federal taxes are a net loss for us-- we pay out more than we get back.
Only slightly in the numbers I looked at. It appears California is just below being one for one in dollars paid in Federal taxes versus what is returned. It appears there are only 14 states that pay more in than they receive, and California is last out of those. Delaware is first in terms of paying in more than they get in Federal Dollars. Illinois is number two. I think there is more to this in terms of assessing fiscal health however. Illinois like California has a substantial amount of unfunded pension liabilities, and paying off these obligations will substantially affect service delivery.
It is interesting that apparently only about a quarter of states pay in more than they receive back in Federal dollars. I don’t know what that has looked like historically, but it does not seem to me that is sustainable. Assuming the states that get more than they pay in cannot raise more revenue, the higher producing states will either have to pay in more or there will have to be cuts in spending. Assuming again we don’t want the deficit to spiral out of control.
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Crœsos
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Originally posted by Alt Wally:
It appears there are only 14 states that pay more in than they receive, and California is last out of those.
Assuming you're looking at the same data The Atlantic is looking at here, it should be noted that those fourteen states contain about 39% of the U.S. population. I'd also suspect that California, New York, and Illinois (all on the list) also have above average per capita state GDPs.
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
A quite eloquent cri de coeur.
Very well written -- may I get an Amen?
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simontoad
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It's the 20th where I live, and my thoughts and prayers are with everybody in the US, especially those who will brave the cold and the police to record their rejection of Trump and what he stands for.
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Brenda Clough
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Due to bandwidth issues (it is expected that the number of cell phones will render many of them unuseable) I won't be able to post from the March on Saturday. However, d.v., I will post pictures on Facebook and also blog about it on Sunday. The getting-ready blog post is going up here tomorrow.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Jane R:
Millions of people did vote for him, but a couple of million more than that voted for Hillary Clinton. The people who decided to give him the power to control nuclear missiles were the members of the electoral college. Presumably they thought he'd be easier to control once in office. Or that being male made him more qualified than Hillary to be President. Or they were all being controlled by giant alien lizards.
Or they thought the rules meant something.
Seriously, I'm sick of hearing about the popular national vote. The popular national vote doesn't mean a damn thing in MOST of the countries that Shipmates generally come from.
I can't think of any field besides politics where "we would have won if the rules of the game were different" is considered a meaningful argument.
As Trump himself pointed out in one of his more lucid moments, if the rules of the game had been different, both he and Clinton would have had completely different campaign strategies. They would have spent their time and money in different places compared to what actually happened. Densely populated places in California would've been a centre of attention.
It's a system designed to reflect the federal nature of the United States. If people want to try to have it changed for future elections so that large population centres can ignore small populations even more than they already do, good luck to them, but everyone who mattered knew the rules of the election going in, and how many more millions of people voted for Clinton is an irrelevant byproduct.
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Twilight
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According to some experts on NPR today, there's never been a President so ill prepared for the transition. True to form, Donald didn't want to be bothered with meetings, plans and decisions to help things go smoothly. We might even see some flub ups tomorrow on a par with Mariah Carey's New Year's Eve performance at Times Square. I may watch the inauguration after all.
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Here's hoping this presidency is no worse than a train crash.
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cliffdweller
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I would agree, Orfeo. But I similarly am tired of hearing people (not here but significant in the blogosphere) say "stop talking about the popular vote. Trump would have won the popular vote if it weren't for California and NY". Meaning that California and NY don't count.
Yes, we don't get to rewrite the election rules after the fact (though we might going forward, for better or worse). The rules of the election are electoral college is what determines the presidency.
But by the same logic, you cannot redefine what "popular vote" means. Popular vote means the majority of Americans. The majority of Americans live in a few very large cities in a few states. And their voices should matter. That they don't matter right now in the EC is something that may or may not be rectified in the future going forward. But when you're talking about things like "mandates" or the "will of the people" that means the will of ALL the people, including those in large, densely populated urban areas.
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by Twilight:
According to some experts on NPR today, there's never been a President so ill prepared for the transition. True to form, Donald didn't want to be bothered with meetings, plans and decisions to help things go smoothly. We might even see some flub ups tomorrow on a par with Mariah Carey's New Year's Eve performance at Times Square. I may watch the inauguration after all.
I'm sure the flubs will be shown over and over again, so I feel no need to watch this horror story unfold on live television.
I'm pretty much going into ostrich mode tomorrow. If I bury my head in the sand it won't really be happening.
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Alt Wally
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
Assuming you're looking at the same data The Atlantic is looking at here, it should be noted that those fourteen states contain about 39% of the U.S. population. I'd also suspect that California, New York, and Illinois (all on the list) also have above average per capita state GDPs.
They probably do. I was not looking at that page, but a related one with some of the same data. In that link the map of poverty levels is interesting, in particular within California.
I don't know exactly what these varying levels of contribution and return of Federal tax dollars will mean at a state level in terms of providing shielding or exposure to the policies of President Trump. That is primarily because I don't know what exactly the policies of President Trump will be. I don't know who does. So the talk of the sky falling seems premature to me, at least at this point. I assume it is more visceral dislike of Mr. Trump than anything else.
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cliffdweller
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
]I'm sure the flubs will be shown over and over again, so I feel no need to watch this horror story unfold on live television.
I'm pretty much going into ostrich mode tomorrow. If I bury my head in the sand it won't really be happening.
I'm with you. Just like odds are, someone, somewhere will have explosive diarrhea tomorrow, but I don't have to watch it on live TV. I won't watch this. I have made plans for tomorrow to stay far far away from social media and TV. Books, time with family, hiking.
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Kelly Alves
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I have a couple of errands to run, then I plan to find somewhere quiet and spend the night listening to scary story YouTube channels. Seems appropriate.
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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
]I'm sure the flubs will be shown over and over again, so I feel no need to watch this horror story unfold on live television.
I'm pretty much going into ostrich mode tomorrow. If I bury my head in the sand it won't really be happening.
I'm with you. Just like odds are, someone, somewhere will have explosive diarrhea tomorrow, but I don't have to watch it on live TV. I won't watch this. I have made plans for tomorrow to stay far far away from social media and TV. Books, time with family, hiking.
I plan to watch at least some of it, probably on PBS. Mostly the actual ceremony. I might listen on NPR; but I do want to see people's faces and reactions.
I may also do a variation on a drinking game: when T says something I disagree with or abhor, I
--click on a click-to-donate site (e.g., GreaterGood.com, or Care2.com);
--sign an online petition (e.g., ThePetitionSite.com, CredoAction.com, or Change.org);
--play a game that generates donations (e.g., FreeRice.com, or FreeKibble.com);
--search through a site that donates (e.g., GoodSearch.com).
Those are all free, BTW. I may do this while watching, or keep a tally and do it later. I hope it will give me some sense of balance.
YMMV.
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Golden Key
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Kelly--
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I have a couple of errands to run, then I plan to find somewhere quiet and spend the night listening to scary story YouTube channels. Seems appropriate.
"Welcome To Nightvale"? ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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mousethief
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I hit the local newspaper entertainment section (online edition) to look for something to do but the pickings were extremely slim (and most involved driving 40 miles north to Seattle). Wish it were baseball season. They should have this during baseball season.
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cliffdweller
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
I plan to watch at least some of it, probably on PBS. Mostly the actual ceremony. I might listen on NPR; but I do want to see people's faces and reactions.
I may also do a variation on a drinking game: when T says something I disagree with or abhor, I
--click on a click-to-donate site (e.g., GreaterGood.com, or Care2.com);
--sign an online petition (e.g., ThePetitionSite.com, CredoAction.com, or Change.org);
--play a game that generates donations (e.g., FreeRice.com, or FreeKibble.com);
--search through a site that donates (e.g., GoodSearch.com).
Those are all free, BTW. I may do this while watching, or keep a tally and do it later. I hope it will give me some sense of balance.
YMMV.
OK, that sounds healthy. Just don't turn it into a drinking game because that much alcohol could cause one permanent harm. Then again, perhaps you'd pass out and wake up 4 years later...
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mousethief
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On a different note, is it time to retire this thread and start a new one tomorrow? Since the election is no longer the issue, but how we will live under president cheeto?
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Golden Key
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cliffdweller--
I don't drink, so no worries. ![[Smile]](smile.gif) It's just that people often come up with drinking games for things like this. I wanted something *I* could do, that might also do some good. FWIW.
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Originally posted by Alt Wally:
[I don't know exactly what these varying levels of contribution and return of Federal tax dollars will mean at a state level in terms of providing shielding or exposure to the policies of President Trump. That is primarily because I don't know what exactly the policies of President Trump will be. I don't know who does. So the talk of the sky falling seems premature to me, at least at this point. I assume it is more visceral dislike of Mr. Trump than anything else.
That and his cabinet and his staff and his conflicts of interest and his relationship with Putin and his ability with money...
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simontoad
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Thanks Palimpsest. I couldn't find the words for that one.
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Mamacita
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I'm done. I'm turning the TV off for at least 48 hours. Call me shallow if you will, but I've booked a haircut and manicure for tomorrow; I need to go into self-protective mode. On Saturday I will join 60,000 of my best friends to march in Chicago. But tomorrow is a day of quiet, prayer, and self-care.
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Originally posted by Alt Wally:
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
Assuming you're looking at the same data The Atlantic is looking at here, it should be noted that those fourteen states contain about 39% of the U.S. population. I'd also suspect that California, New York, and Illinois (all on the list) also have above average per capita state GDPs.
They probably do. I was not looking at that page, but a related one with some of the same data. In that link the map of poverty levels is interesting, in particular within California.
I don't know exactly what these varying levels of contribution and return of Federal tax dollars will mean at a state level in terms of providing shielding or exposure to the policies of President Trump. That is primarily because I don't know what exactly the policies of President Trump will be. I don't know who does. So the talk of the sky falling seems premature to me, at least at this point. I assume it is more visceral dislike of Mr. Trump than anything else.
Actually, we can make a very educated guess as to some of his policy, from what has been said and from his appointments. He is going to throw attempts to limit anthropogenic climate change out of his pram. I spent part of last night reading about this in the Guardian and New Scientist. This is about as close to the sky falling in as anything I can imagine, and is not simply governing the US of A. It is imposing death on many of the people of this world who have had no choice in giving him the power to do this. As the majority who voted against him have had no choice.
There are already people in Bangladesh who are losing the lives they led on farms now below the tide line, and struggling to eat from fisheries which are moving further from land, and to which they cannot go during the more and more frequent cyclone warnings. As one example.
He is going to make this sort of thing worse. He doesn't care about it. That's a good reason for having a negative view of the man. Along with all the rest.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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Originally posted by Mamacita:
I've booked a haircut and manicure for tomorrow.
Well, as long as the hairdresser doesn't dye it orange and overcomb it.
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Penny S
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I've just heard a vox pop extract from an American in Washington. "How wonderful it is to go to see what God is working in this country."
That would be the deity that first turns people mad in order to destroy them, presumably.
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I was really pleased with our local newspaper today - no mention of Trumph - just a huge, full front page tribute to Obama saying 'Farewell Mr President'.
Indeed, farewell. The USA no longer has a president - it has a joke.
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When I woke up this morning at 6am Absolute Radio opened the breakfast programme with "It's the End of the World as we Know it"
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What Boogie said, but, alas, it's a sick joke...
Oh, America, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE???
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Brenda Clough
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Getting ready to march tomorrow. Here's a preliminary report. I'm specifically soliciting advice on what to bring!
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Good on yer, Brenda!
May the King of Kings protect and watch over you, and all who are marching, or protesting in any other way, wherever they may be.
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Brenda Clough
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It's raining in DC now but tomorrow it's supposed to be dry! Also, an even more major blessing, it's not going to be bitterly cold. There have been Inaugural weekends (Reagan's, for one) where it was so frigid it was dangerous to be outdoors. I will have to bundle up for being outdoors for nine hours or so, but I won't have to worry about hypothermia or frostbite.
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Oh dear God. It's actually happening. ![[Frown]](frown.gif) ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif)
Lord have mercy! ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif) ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif) ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif)
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Originally posted by Mamacita:
I'm done. I'm turning the TV off for at least 48 hours. Call me shallow if you will, but I've booked a haircut and manicure for tomorrow; I need to go into self-protective mode. On Saturday I will join 60,000 of my best friends to march in Chicago. But tomorrow is a day of quiet, prayer, and self-care.
TV blackout here too. I'll rely on phone updates from Washington tomorrow. For a cleaned up version of today's coverage of the Oaf of Office, this is much nicer.
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betjemaniac
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what on God's green earth was that inauguration speech? I'm going to live in the cellar with plenty of tinned food.
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what on God's green earth was that inauguration speech? I'm going to live in the cellar with plenty of tinned food.
I can guess - "Trump is great, America is great, I am great great great, I will grate on your nerves for at least four years. I am so great, so very great. I lurve you all, you are going to feel so so great because Trump lurves you, you'll feel so good now, so so good"
Now betjemaniac, do like me - switch off your TV, get out your best bottle of wine, put on some good music and forget the sad joke of a man.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by betjemaniac:
what on God's green earth was that inauguration speech? I'm going to live in the cellar with plenty of tinned food.
I can guess - "Trump is great, America is great, I am great great great, I will grate on your nerves for at least four years. I am so great, so very great. I lurve you all, you are going to feel so so great because Trump lurves you, you'll feel so good now, so so good"
Now betjemaniac, do like me - switch off your TV, get out your best bottle of wine, put on some good music and forget the sad joke of a man.
Close - I think he's just promised a new prosperity based on protectionism and US withdrawal from world affairs....
Chinese style "we're not going to impose our way of life on you" coupled with a harangue on all the former presidents that were sitting next to him for failing to honour any of the promises they made at their inaugurations....
forget the wine, I'm going for spirits.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
It's raining in DC now but tomorrow it's supposed to be dry! Also, an even more major blessing, it's not going to be bitterly cold. There have been Inaugural weekends (Reagan's, for one) where it was so frigid it was dangerous to be outdoors. I will have to bundle up for being outdoors for nine hours or so, but I won't have to worry about hypothermia or frostbite.
Franklin Graham mentioned that in the Bible rain is often a sign of God's blessing. True, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes rain is just rain.
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Stetson
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Chinese style "we're not going to impose our way of life on you"
And this is bad...WHY?
My only problem with such a promise would be that Trump might not actually keep it.
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betjemaniac
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Originally posted by Stetson:
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Chinese style "we're not going to impose our way of life on you"
And this is bad...WHY?
My only problem with such a promise would be that Trump might not actually keep it.
Nothing if it just means no invasions, quite a lot if it means he's serious about withdrawal from NATO, etc.
Right, now I really am going to forget about it.
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The rain falls on the just and unjust.
I watched to bear witness to the last moments of My President. When he waved as he was getting in the helicopter to leave, I waved back and cried.
Today, I'm dressed in black. There's a huge lump in my throat. God help us.
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rolyn
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Originally posted by Boogie:
I can guess - "Trump is great, America is great, I am great great great, I will grate on your nerves for at least four years. I am so great, so very great. I lurve you all, you are going to feel so so great because Trump lurves you, you'll feel so good now, so so good"
Guess again Boogie. It sounded to me like a mix of undiluted nationalism and patriotic fervour to which even the crowd looked a little nervous.
If he can work even half of promised the miracles then all well and good. Trouble with the real world and politics is that miracles nearly always come at a price. History will be his judge.
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Wesley J
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As a little comfort to us all, the announcement before the News Quiz, a topical radio comedy panel show, on the BBC just now:
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'They're here to make Radio 4 great again!'
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Be it as it may: Wesley J will stay. --- Euthanasia, that sounds good. An alpine neutral neighbourhood. Then back to Britain, all dressed in wood. Things were gonna get worse. (John Cooper Clarke)
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cliffdweller
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Originally posted by Penny S:
Actually, we can make a very educated guess as to some of his policy, from what has been said and from his appointments. He is going to throw attempts to limit anthropogenic climate change out of his pram. I spent part of last night reading about this in the Guardian and New Scientist. This is about as close to the sky falling in as anything I can imagine, and is not simply governing the US of A. It is imposing death on many of the people of this world who have had no choice in giving him the power to do this. As the majority who voted against him have had no choice.
There are already people in Bangladesh who are losing the lives they led on farms now below the tide line, and struggling to eat from fisheries which are moving further from land, and to which they cannot go during the more and more frequent cyclone warnings. As one example.
He is going to make this sort of thing worse. He doesn't care about it. That's a good reason for having a negative view of the man. Along with all the rest.
Yes, it is ironic and shocking how little regard the "pro-life" party has re human life. Same thing with the repeal (and no replace) of ACA: I have taken to carefully avoiding saying it is about "health care" or "health insurance". It's not. It's about human lives. Repealing ACA w/o any viable replacement is, quite literally, about people dying. End stop-- there is simply no other way around it. The photos of GOP Congresspeople cheering the repeal were absolutely horrifying. They were literally high-fiving one another over orchestrating the death of some of their fellow citizens.
Whatever you want to call that it most certainly is not "pro-life".
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Originally posted by jedijudy:
The rain falls on the just and unjust.
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You're so much nobler than I. My first thought was that Putin arranged another particular, ahem, "shower".
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Penny S
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But chiefly on the just because the unjust hath the just's umbrella.
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