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@ Og overleaf
Not wishing to tempt fate, but the situation on that front feels tinder-dry. All it needs is one provocative attack linked to ISIS and constitutional niceties will fly out of the window.
A pot shot at the Inauguration - or something similar, would light the blue touchpaper.
[ 17. November 2016, 11:14: Message edited by: Barnabas62 ]
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Gee D--
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Originally posted by Gee D:
Can you help me please. What are the problems with setting up an independent federal electoral commission to draw boundaries, staff polling booths, maintain electoral rolls etc, purely for federal elections of course. Are these legal problems or political?
There's be cultural problems: distrust of the federal gov't, attitudes about states' rights, hating being told what to do. Those things are really entrenched.
Interesting that, with the exception of a few states-rights purists like Ron and Rand Paul, conservative opponents of federal interference never seemed to have much problem with the War On Drugs.
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There was some angry person from Breitbart tearing into the Today programme this morning on the BBC accusing them of poor journalism because of their suggesting that Bannon was antisemitic. Not doing his own cause any good, except in the ears of his alt-right followers, I should imagine.
He blamed the idea on an accusation from Bannon's divorced wife. "Are you divorced?" he attacked - implying that if not the interviewer could not know that remarks made in divorce cases were lies.
They didn't pick up on the anti-woman stuff.
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I can't find the link now, but a legislator in Georgia has proposed banning the hijab. Ladies in my circle are already discussing asking Catholic nuns to weigh in. Also Mennonites (if there are any in Georgia), and someone has produced the relevant text from 1Cor, the one about how women ought to cover their hair.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
I can't find the link now, but a legislator in Georgia has proposed banning the hijab. Ladies in my circle are already discussing asking Catholic nuns to weigh in. Also Mennonites (if there are any in Georgia), and someone has produced the relevant text from 1Cor, the one about how women ought to cover their hair.
Ack. I fear I will need to take up the hijab, something I"m loathe to do but would feel compelled to do as an act of Christian witness should such a ban be enacted nation-wide (fortunately my very blue state is unlikely to do so on a state level). Same as registering on the Muslim registry should such come to pass.
Bleh.
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
Hmm...there is a lot of twitter chatter about the Muslim registry thing being planned. Included in the chatter is a video on Fox New of a surrogate suggesting as precedent Japanese internment camps and saying its OK to take away constitutional rights and protections of some "until we know what the threat is". To Fox news credit, the host told him how wrong the precedent was and how wrong he was about the constitutional rights idea. "
Perhaps pointing out to the "starve the beast" "no government spending" GOP budget wonks that that little stunt cost the US $500 million in reparations would be a dash of cold water.
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If the Trump administration attempts to implement this, there will be a boycott USA backlash. Get ready for adverts saying "How can you go to the Magic Kingdom while America does this?"
Forget about the magic kingdom-- can we be a part of God's Kingdom if we stand idly by?
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Maybe get yourself one with crosses on it just to freak out the ignorant and rude. Bonus points if you can get stars of David mixed in.
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Oh fabric, always helpful. I am thinking cards with the ICor passage would also be good to hand out.
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originally posted by GeeD:
Can you help me please. What are the problems with setting up an independent federal electoral commission to draw boundaries, staff polling booths, maintain electoral rolls etc, purely for federal elections of course. Are these legal problems or political?
The constitution gives the states the power to determine how their representatives are elected but allows Congress to pass laws changing the rules. So, in theory, congress could establish such a commission that drew boundaries, staffed poll booths, and maintained electoral rolls. The problem is political. Not enough people with a vote believe such a commission is in their best interest. So, it won't happen.
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So, even if he doesn't build that wall, if he throws a bit more money at Homeland Security to fortify the border here and there, and then fires off a few obnoxious tweests about how this is gonna keep out all the rapists and drug-dealers(thus provoking outrage from liberals and Democrats in the media), a lot of his fans will probably think he's really taking action on the issue.
Bingo
Plus, Trump will deport some people. Any increase in deportations by the Trump Administration will induce freakout. Freakout will convince Trump's supporters that he is keeping his promises and they will be happy.
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originally posted by Golden Key:
Pssst...they can also come across the Pacific, you know...
Depends on what you mean by come across the Pacific. Do you mean the Russians have naval vessels that can make it across the Pacific? Then, yes, they can in fact come across the Pacific. On the other hand, if you mean that the Russians can invade the West Coast of the United States by crossing the Pacific, then the answer is no, no, they can't come across the Pacific.
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originally posted by Barnabas62:
And the Bering Strait between Russia and Alaska is all of 51 miles wide.
Yes, in theory, the Russians could invade Alaska. Invading Alaska would make the Russian invasion of Afghanistan look like a good idea. Putin wants to expand Russian influence in the West not start a suicidal war with the United States.
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It is quite telling, in lots of disturbing ways, that Bannon appears to be at very least courting white supremicists and anti-semites whilst at the same time (along with some of those groups) supporting Zionism and Israel.
Bannon runs a clickbait site that attracts all sorts of people. Left wing click bait sites attract people conservatives find beyond the pale also. So what? What argument against Donald Trump can you make that doesn't require a Trump supporter to accept your definition of racism, sexism, and xenophobia? You absolutely can. I'd focus on those.
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But I doubt whether Trump has thought that through.
I don't know if he did or not. Trump doesn't want to be president. Trump is surprised he is president. Trump really wanted to keep on hosting Celebrity Apprentice. However, there is a reason Trump is the president elect instead of hosting a reality show. Wouldn't be nice if NBC hadn't cancelled Celebrity Apprentice and cut ties with Trump?
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originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
If the Trump administration attempts to implement this, there will be a boycott USA backlash. Get ready for adverts saying "How can you go to the Magic Kingdom while America does this?"
I'm guessing if we are at the point where Muslims are being rounded up and put into concentration camps that Disney's profit margins won't be high on a list of national priorities.
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originally posted by Penny S:
Not doing his own cause any good, except in the ears of his alt-right followers, I should imagine.
Yes, but alt-right has replaced "tea party" which had replaced "neocon" as the left's new scare label. Basically, it means the vast majority of people who voted for Trump. So, only doing good in the ears of his alt-right followers means doing quite a bit of good. Now, all the people who are actually alt-right could go to Disney World on the same day and the park wouldn't be that crowded. Neoconservatives...now they were bad. Everybody knew they were a cabal of Jewish intellectuals and bureaucrats who seized control of the Republican Party and used the United States to do the bidding of Israel. Wait...is stuff like that anti-semitic now?
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Yes, but alt-right has replaced "tea party" which had replaced "neocon" as the left's new scare label. Basically, it means the vast majority of people who voted for Trump. So, only doing good in the ears of his alt-right followers means doing quite a bit of good. Now, all the people who are actually alt-right could go to Disney World on the same day and the park wouldn't be that crowded. Neoconservatives...now they were bad. Everybody knew they were a cabal of Jewish intellectuals and bureaucrats who seized control of the Republican Party and used the United States to do the bidding of Israel. Wait...is stuff like that anti-semitic now?
Well, in addition to being oversued scare labels, I do think neo-conservative and alt-right have clear meanings, useful for sorting out just who's who on the right side of the spectrum.
Neo-cons, who I believe actually went by that label, were a group of left-wingers in the 1960s, centreed around Commentary magazine, who eventually gravitated to the right, and ended up having some not inconsiderable influence in the Reagan administration, and later Bush II. As you reference, they were uniformly pro-Israel, but did not always take their cue from Likud, eg. they supported Clinton's bombing of Serbia, even though that was opposed by the Israelis.
So-called alt-right(not sure if anyone actually cops to that label) are more pre-occupied with race, in a Bell Curve sort of a way. Their roots seem to be more on the internet, various "white nationalist" bloggers etc. Some of them tend to be anti-Israel and isolationist, in a way that veers into Charles Lindbergh territory. They generally don't care for the people labelled neo-con.
(Tea Party, I think, was never more than a GOP astroturf movement consisting of people who never voted for Obama to begin with, marching around with signs announcing how much they hated Obama.)
Trump, I am predicting, will talk alt-right, but govern neo-con. We'll have a better idea when we see his nominees for State, Defense, UN ambassador etc.
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Beeswax Altar:
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
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originally posted by Golden Key:
Pssst...they can also come across the Pacific, you know...
Depends on what you mean by
come across the Pacific. Do you mean the Russians have naval vessels that can make it across the Pacific? Then, yes, they can in fact come across the Pacific. On the other hand, if you mean that the Russians can invade the West Coast of the United States by crossing the Pacific, then the answer is no, no, they can't come across the Pacific.
O...k... Look, this conversation would be much easier if you'd detail what you mean. E.g., "There's nothing worthwhile enough on the West Coast"; "They'd get tangled in the Great Pacific Garbage Patch"; "Here there be sea monsters".
According to the Pacific Centric World Map (Maps Of World), they really *can* get here from there.
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Enlighten us, please.
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Gee D
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Thanks to all for your comments and advice. It's a pity in many ways that there is no federal commission - that would deal with behaviour noted on earlier threads about intimidation, restrictions on voting access and so forth. Also have a more equal drawing of electoral boundaries.
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It would be an excellent thing indeed, and all wiser observers agree that it would be good to implement. Alas, the upcoming regime is unlikely to be interested. They won on the dodgy tactics, and cannot now concede any flaw,
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Originally posted by Stetson:
So-called alt-right(not sure if anyone actually cops to that label) are more pre-occupied with race, in a Bell Curve sort of a way. Their roots seem to be more on the internet, various "white nationalist" bloggers etc. Some of them tend to be anti-Israel and isolationist, in a way that veers into Charles Lindbergh territory. They generally don't care for the people labelled neo-con.
AIUI alt-right was coined by the people it refers to.
As I understand it, alt-right differs from the traditional far right in being largely atheist, libertarian, pro-elitist, and pro-STEM(*). Basically they're Randwankers.
(*) Science, technology, engineering, mathematics / medicine.
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From everything I can see, the core of alt-right is racism and misogyny. Whatever other flavours mixed into individula recipes, this stock is in its base.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
From everything I can see, the core of alt-right is racism and misogyny. Whatever other flavours mixed into individula recipes, this stock is in its base.
I think that goes for the far right generally. (And the not so far right. And if we're honest some parts of the centre and the left.) It's the other bits that distinguish the alt-right from the traditional far right.
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
AIUI alt-right was coined by the people it refers to.
As I understand it, alt-right differs from the traditional far right in being largely atheist, libertarian, pro-elitist, and pro-STEM(*). Basically they're Randwankers.
That's more or less my understanding too, although the term is a bit nebulous. The 'original' alt-right is very much about race and is deeply antisemitic - there's a disturbing trick where alt-right posters will enclose a Jewish person's name in three parentheses, e.g. "General relativity was developed by (((Albert Einstein)))".
There's also a much broader online anti-SJW movement (for lack of a better phrase) which sometimes gets lumped in with them by opponents. This is pretty misleading - many of them identify as disgruntled lefties- but there's some overlap.
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
From everything I can see, the core of alt-right is racism and misogyny. Whatever other flavours mixed into individula recipes, this stock is in its base.
I think that goes for the far right generally. (And the not so far right. And if we're honest some parts of the centre and the left.) It's the other bits that distinguish the alt-right from the traditional far right.
Yes, the Far right are as you say, but from right to far right is a spectrum with indistinct lines and dog whistle terminology. Alt-right is a clean wall separation with no hidden agenda.
Well, not a clean wall, covered racist and misogynist graffiti, but a distinct separation.
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"Alt-right" is simply a new name for neo-Nazi white nationalists. Robert Spencer claims to have invented the term. He wants the US to be a safe space for Americans of European descent. He was interviewed on All Things Considered (National Public Radio news show) last night. You can listen or read the transcript here. Try not to throw up.
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Originally posted by RuthW:
"Alt-right" is simply a new name for neo-Nazi white nationalists. Robert Spencer claims to have invented the term. He wants the US to be a safe space for Americans of European descent. He was interviewed on All Things Considered (National Public Radio news show) last night. You can listen or read the transcript here. Try not to throw up.
This bit from the repulsive toad
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SPENCER: Whenever many different races are in the same school, what will happen is that there'll be a natural segregation at lunchtime, at PE, at - in terms of after-school play.
is a clue as to why President-elect Cheeto came to be.
The statement portrays a result as an origin. Uncritical acceptance of such shite draws the bordering, less hardened racist-ish people.
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The TFO appears to have settled a lawsuit relating to his Trump University alleged fraud.
Good thing? Bad thing? Any thoughts on this?
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
I think that goes for the far right generally.
Bzzt! Not so fast.
Marine le Pen
and her niece
Marion Maréchal-Le Pen
Serious question - do the Le Pen's show any sign of misogyny? Because I know its possible to be, for lack of a phrase, self-misogynistic.
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Originally posted by Wesley J:
The TFO appears to have settled a lawsuit relating to his Trump University alleged fraud.
Good thing? Bad thing? Any thoughts on this?
In the terms of the settlement, IIRC, he does not admit guilt. Therefore can claim it was not because of guilt, but out of expediency that it was done.
Those who support him will believe/not care and those who don't will assume guilt.
The reality is that by the trial being postponed and the case being settled, it has no effect on anything.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
This bit from the repulsive toad
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SPENCER: Whenever many different races are in the same school, what will happen is that there'll be a natural segregation at lunchtime, at PE, at - in terms of after-school play.
is a clue as to why President-elect Cheeto came to be.
The statement portrays a result as an origin. Uncritical acceptance of such shite draws the bordering, less hardened racist-ish people.
I can attest that this is not a universal truth. The school I taught at the last 2 years could have been invented to disprove that claim. The lunchroom was fully integrated, there were no signs of racial antagonism in the hallways or classrooms. Pairs in the halls were of ever conceivable configuration given the make-up of the student body. Black with white, white with hispanic, black with Asian, boy with boy, girl with girl* -- nobody seemed to care who was holding hands with whom. As it should be.
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My early childhood was in an atmosphere were race wasn't a concept. It wasn't "not mentioned", it simply was not a thing. I did not know that colour was "important" until I was exposed to greater society.
Racism is taught. A problem is that adults think they are more subtle than they are. Their attitudes are communicated and passed to their children with words and actions they think children will miss and/or that they do not know they are expressing.
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This is well known. As the song goes, "You've got to be taught to hate and fear; you've got to be carefully taught."
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Mike Pence received a few boos when he attended a performance of "Hamilton." Then the cast delivered a short statement to him.
Well, our twitter-happy president-elect couldn't resist tweeting about it
So a new twitter meme has emerged Name a Pence Musical
My favorite is "The Lyin' King" ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
My early childhood was in an atmosphere were race wasn't a concept. It wasn't "not mentioned", it simply was not a thing. I did not know that colour was "important" until I was exposed to greater society.
Racism is taught. A problem is that adults think they are more subtle than they are. Their attitudes are communicated and passed to their children with words and actions they think children will miss and/or that they do not know they are expressing.
My early childhood was spent in 1960s South Africa. Racism was enshrined in law. I was taught to be the opposite, my parents broke the law all the time.
But yes, attitudes to everything are learned from the adults (and peers) around us.
I'm appalled that it looks like the only woman in Trump's line up will be Sarah Palin ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif) ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
It feels like the world has suddenly regressed 70 years. Why did none of us see this coming? Echo chamber effect?
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
This is well known. As the song goes, "You've got to be taught to hate and fear; you've got to be carefully taught."
I realise the song is simple to make a point, but in reality one doesn't need to be carefully taught. Your* discomfort with a particular group is apparent even if you never verbally express it. And this is transmitted to your family and friends. Who often have a similar, low/sublimated level of feeling.
And this is why racism, misogyny and xenophobia were a greater factor than many would think of themselves.
*General you, not specifically you
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Originally posted by Boogie:
It feels like the world has suddenly regressed 70 years. Why did none of us see this coming? Echo chamber effect?
ISTM, the echo chamber effect is part of the reason people bought into the the lies perpetrated by Trump. And Brexit, for that matter. I suppose it also allows people to be insulated from the crazy as well. The idea of self imposed bubbles is so bizarre to me.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
The idea of self imposed bubbles is so bizarre to me.
How much do you hang out on, say, Free Republic as compared to the Ship?
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
The idea of self imposed bubbles is so bizarre to me.
How much do you hang out on, say, Free Republic as compared to the Ship?
It is not so much who I hang out with as opposed to who and what I am aware of.
However, if you include the entirety of my circles of interaction (friends, family, and their friends and family; work encounters and chance encounters) I am exposed to quite a variety of opinion.
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Some people undoubtedly have broader social circles than others, but I think it's perilous to entertain the notion that we don't live in a self-imposed bubble ourselves. In real life I try hard not to, for instance by doing assignments in worlds I would normally never go anywhere near, but it takes a positive effort.
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
Some people undoubtedly have broader social circles than others, but I think it's perilous to entertain the notion that we don't live in a self-imposed bubble ourselves. In real life I try hard not to, for instance by doing assignments in worlds I would normally never go anywhere near, but it takes a positive effort.
I'm not going to pretend that I don't have cognitive biases or that I am more likely to trust sources that have the a similar POV to mine. I simply find the level that people take these natural inclinations strange. Like Facebook, Twitter, instagram, etc. People are using a tool that allows them to sample the world to isolate themselves further.
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Originally posted by sabine:
Mike Pence received a few boos when he attended a performance of "Hamilton." Then the cast delivered a short statement to him.
Well, our twitter-happy president-elect couldn't resist tweeting about it
Specifically, because of the current discourse it was equally amusing, sad and ironic that he phrased it as "The Theater must always be a safe and special place."
The booing was a bit crass, but the prepared speech seemed a fairly legitimate response. Someone should tell Pence and Trump that if you go to the theatre sooner or later you are going to have to face ideas that challenge your own.
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As long as it's just ideas.
Trump's tweet seemed to show a misunderstanding about what happened, confirming the impression that he's a man who hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. 'All lies and jests'.
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Originally posted by chris stiles:
The booing was a bit crass, but the prepared speech seemed a fairly legitimate response. Someone should tell Pence and Trump that if you go to the theatre sooner or later you are going to have to face ideas that challenge your own.
Pence calls for electrocuting gay+ people into being straight. There are a lot of gay+ people in theatre. Getting booed is getting off easy.
Worse things have happened to Republicans who went to the theatre.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Worse things have happened to Republicans who went to the theatre.
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Politicians get booed at sporting events all the time. Including Pence in the past in Indiana, by some accounts I saw today.
Typical how those who claim their opponents have thin skins and can't take criticism are showing an inability to take any criticism.
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--Re being booed:
Condi Rice, then Secretary of State, was booed when she went to a Broadway play during Hurricane Katrina, and also got a backlash for doing expensive shopping then. Several years later, she said she should've realized that was a bad idea.
--Re Trump and possible conflicts of interest:
All kinds of fun things going on. (HuffPost)
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Evidently, when Mike Pence attended "Hamilton", he was the least popular vice president in the room. Remember Aaron Burr was onstage.
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
Some people undoubtedly have broader social circles than others, but I think it's perilous to entertain the notion that we don't live in a self-imposed bubble ourselves. In real life I try hard not to, for instance by doing assignments in worlds I would normally never go anywhere near, but it takes a positive effort.
The complete and utter shock I experienced when the words "Trump elected president" flashed across my screen was all the evidence I needed that I do in fact inhabit an echo chamber/ bubble
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Amen to that. For me it was the percentage tally at the bottom of the 538 page.
Dave Chappelle's "Election Night" skit on SNL nailed it. Can't link at the moment, but do Google it if you haven't seen it.
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Originally posted by Gramps49:
Evidently, when Mike Pence attended "Hamilton", he was the least popular vice president in the room. Remember Aaron Burr was onstage.
(Wry smile.)
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cliffdweller--
And I'm still hoping that it's some weird, extended nightmare, and I'll wake up soon.
I'm less driven to look up all sorts of Trump news, but I do come across some of it. I'm watching a lot of retro TV--even Dr. Who, though it was weird to see it on a commercial station!
I hate the way that Trump et al have scared everyone, including little kids who're worried they're going to be shipped off.
I'm also intrigued by all the reality water balloons that are headed Trump's way--illegal nepotism, assorted other protocol and legal problems. I think even the pope made a thinly-veiled reference to him, about being good to immigrants and not walling them out. (Something he reportedly said, in the last couple of days.)
Cue more creative protests, like the "Hamilton" cast's.
I'm not sure whether T's Twitter habit is bad (we have to hear about it, and he may say all sorts of stuff he shouldn't, and give away secrets), or good (the more he talks, the more he spills about himself and his ideas). Probably both.
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I assume that this is the right thread for this. General Flynn has been nominated to be National Security Advisor. That gives Putin a man in the White House, at a very senior level, who has taken his money.
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I assume that this is the right thread for this. General Flynn has been nominated to be National Security Advisor. That gives Putin a man in the White House, at a very senior level, who has taken his money.
This farce gets more farcical by the day.
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Golden Key
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Just saw a promo for the new version of "Celebrity Apprentice", hosted by...Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Given various news stories and allegations, back when Arnold was governor here, NBC may not have improved the interpersonal behavior of the host.
Years back, someone in Congress wanted to change the "natural-born citizen" clause, specifically so that Arnold could be president. Fortunately, that didn't get very far.
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Oh God oh God oh God ohGod. I hope this doesn't mean he has dropped his newfound eco- consciousness.
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