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Doc Tor
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quote:
Originally posted by mark_in_manchester:
Whence satire now?

I enjoyed Croesus's post from which I extracted this:

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Scaramucci goes on to engineer the firing of obvious anagram Reince Priebus.
Maybe if I were watching satirical shows on US TV this would be old news, but I went a-googling for such anagrams; amongst the best was 'penis brie cure'.
Maybe it's my cultural blinkers, but I find it really hard to believe someone is actually called Reince Priebus. I also automatically spoonerise it to Prince Rebus.

Then we have Scaramucci, whose name slips so easily into the Queen song that it's almost lazy.

I'm thinking of laying a bet on someone called Pressy McPressface being hired next.

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You'll all be delighted to know that if you bump Bohemian Rhapsody up to 6 mins from its length of 5.57 (to make the working easier in my head) Mr S lasted 2,400 plays in office.

[ 01. August 2017, 12:02: Message edited by: betjemaniac ]

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"Mama, life had just begun
but now I've gone and thrown it all away..."

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betjemaniac
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quote:
Originally posted by Rocinante:
"Mama, life had just begun
but now I've gone and thrown it all away..."

Rumour has it he was actually fired for being unable to do the fandango...

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“Late Night” host Seth Meyers has pointed out that "“Scaramucci’s last name is longer than his tenure.”
[Killing me]

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A friend of mine remarks, "I keep laughing full, deep belly laughs today. Turns out Scaramucci was *great* for my abs."

Oh, and this will amuse. A free click, SFW, for Star Trek fans.

And will no one have pity upon the poor TV comedians? Think of the unlucky Mario Cantone. He could've had a long thrilling career!

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
And will no one have pity upon the poor TV comedians? Think of the unlucky Mario Cantone. He could've had a long thrilling career!

Best line, from Seth Meyers: “If Scaramucci was Viagra, it wouldn’t even be time to call your doctor yet.”

[ 01. August 2017, 15:25: Message edited by: mousethief ]

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It's still hard to understand how America has descended so far down into the pit of Hell so quickly after the (apparently) benevolent rule of Mr. Obama.

Did he pull a plug somewhere before he left?

[Paranoid]

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And now it turns out that the Don dictated Don Jr's explanation of his meetng with the Russians in June 2016. Big Oops. Verges closer to obstruction of justice.

If the Don continues to attack the Republican members of Congress, this type of information will give them the excuse to start impeachment proceedings.

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quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
Best line, from Seth Meyers: “If Scaramucci was Viagra, it wouldn’t even be time to call your doctor yet.”

[Killing me]

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quote:
Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
It's still hard to understand how America has descended so far down into the pit of Hell so quickly after the (apparently) benevolent rule of Mr. Obama.

Did he pull a plug somewhere before he left?

[Paranoid]

IJ

ISTM this is a blend of the increasing polarisation of American politics and the reaction to a charismatic, black Democrat.

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Apparently the next big push will be to revise the tax code. The Republicans probably think of this simply as lowering the taxes of the rich. The tax code is very long and needs serious attention. Is anyone at all actually trying to do this well? Are there serious proposals?
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quote:
Originally posted by Rocinante:
"Mama, life had just begun
but now I've gone and thrown it all away..."

My worry is the thunder and lightening and very very frightening stuff. It's already frightening of course...

Great line Doc Tor.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gramps49:
And now it turns out that the Don dictated Don Jr's explanation of his meetng with the Russians in June 2016. Big Oops. Verges closer to obstruction of justice.

Not necessarily in and of itself, but it does go towards establishing the "guilty mind" (i.e. that the accused knew what they were doing was wrong) that's usually a necessary component of obstruction of justice.

I think it's kind of illustrative when paired with the recent allegation that Trump was working with Fox News to plant the fake news story that Seth Rich was secretly assassinated by the DNC. I think this demonstrates two things:

  1. Trump believes his problem is PR, not an active investigation into potential crimes
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  2. Trump is running his White House like a closely-held family business that he can personally micro-manage

I'm not sure either of these delusions are sustainable in the long run, but I'm not sure what the alternatives would be for Trump. He doesn't seem to be able to handle problems that aren't strictly about public relations nor does he seem to know how to run a large operation that requires delegation of authority.

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Originally posted by Crœsos:
He doesn't seem to be able to handle problems that aren't strictly about public relations

To me, he doesn't seem to be able handle problems that are strictly about public relations. Unless you consider repeated lies and misrepresentations as "handling PR problems."

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Before the Mooch finally vanishes over our event horizon, and new, more appalling events wipe him from our memory, one more tweet roundup.

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By far my favourite headline in the Washington Post this week (so far) included the words "An oral history of the Scaramucci era". Ten whole days of madness that would make a great film when this is all over. Eras are getting smaller.

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This had me in stitches.

Upon a reporter suggesting that he got a mixed reaction at the Boy Scout Jamboree:

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"They loved it. It wasn't — there was no mix. That was a standing — From the time I walked out on the stage — because I know. And by the way, I'd be the first to admit mixed. I'm a guy that will tell you mixed. There was no mix there. That was a standing ovation from the time I walked out to the time I left, and for five minutes after I had already gone. There was no mix."
A week's worth of quotes for that "Shit Donald Trump Says" 364-day calendar that's going to be a hit this Christmas.

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quote:
Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
This had me in stitches.

Link didn't work. Try this.

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quote:
Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
A week's worth of quotes for that "Shit Donald Trump Says" 364-day calendar that's going to be a hit this Christmas.

I can't think of a single person I despise enough to give that to.

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A good comment I found today -

"Geat decision by the big orange Pigsy to appoint Kelly as Chief of Staff and inject some military style discipline into the Administration.

Well, it would be a great decision if the Marine Corps taught it's officers how to herd cats. Vicious, nasty, self interested cats. I suspect they don't, they are leaders of obedient puppy dogs, not cats. Shit sandwich coming up for the good General."

Too true [Killing me]

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Brenda Clough
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This is a good summary of the root of this Administration's difficulties. You can run a taut ship (hopefully, some day, the good Lord willing) but you still need to set a course and have a port to be your destination. And there is no destination, only vague slogans.

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Trump has been quoted very recently saying that the White House is a dump.

Chelsea Clinton had a good reply to that:

"Thank you to all the White House ushers, butlers, maids, chefs, florists, gardeners, plumbers, engineers & curators for all you do every day."

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quote:
Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
This is a good summary of the root of this Administration's difficulties. You can run a taut ship (hopefully, some day, the good Lord willing) but you still need to set a course and have a port to be your destination. And there is no destination, only vague slogans.

There are many lessons to be learned from this cluster-fuckup, though none will be.
Competent and semi-competent presidents has only been tangential to the typical process. Which was to obtain lower office prior to the presidency. Cheeto's money and reality-show publicity allowed him to bypass that process.
It could certainly happen again.

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Is there any truth to the idle thought that Reece Peebus will one day have the respect of his colleagues? His is the significant sacking, I feel.

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Is there any truth to the idle thought that Reece Peebus will one day have the respect of his colleagues? His is the significant sacking, I feel.

Especially given how long he was chair of the GOP.

p.s. *Reince Preebus

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quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
A good comment I found today -

"Geat decision by the big orange Pigsy to appoint Kelly as Chief of Staff and inject some military style discipline into the Administration.

Well, it would be a great decision if the Marine Corps taught it's officers how to herd cats. Vicious, nasty, self interested cats. I suspect they don't, they are leaders of obedient puppy dogs, not cats. Shit sandwich coming up for the good General."

Too true [Killing me]

I am going to go out on a limb and say, based on reading, that Kelly could be the person to clear up Trump's clusterfuck - within the terms of nasty Trumpite politics of course, because that ain't gonna change.

However, I'd like to be a fly on the wall, because it will at some stage involve Kelly sitting #45 down and saying, in that gloriously polite language that only Americans can manage, "Mr President, sir, I advise you to step away from that phone. Put the phone down sir. Thank you sir. And I advise you to run every statement that you make past me before you speak, sir. To hone, polish and expedite verbal conveyance of your unparalleled brilliance, sir, yes sir. And I stipulate that no statement that I have approved be altered in any manner, form or way after I have approved it. To ensure your continued unapproachable unsurpassibility, sir. Sir? Put that fucking phone down, sir."

And I think that has fucklies of being a long-lasting arrangement.

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Kelly, reportedly, already had a behind-closed-doors fight with T--Wed. morning, I think.

Personally, I still hope that T will get so sick of fighting people who tell him he's not all that (e.g., crowd sizes, popular vote, behaving inappropriately) that he'll have a big hissy fit, then quit. (Preferably without blowing anything up on the way out.) Taking all his family and minions with him.

Given Russian meddling, I'd love it to have Trump's victory thrown out as tainted, and give the presidency to the winner of the popular vote. Doubt that would happen, but I think it would be fair.

I also wish there were ways to totally reverse everything T has done, preferably all in one fell swoop.

(And Pence should *not* take over, because he's part of the tainted Republican ticket.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Given Russian meddling, I'd love it to have Trump's victory thrown out as tainted, and give the presidency to the winner of the popular vote.

Many petitioned for that to happen between November and January. Should have.
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(And Pence should *not* take over, because he's part of the tainted Republican ticket.)
Paul Ryan would be next in line. From disastrous lines of succession . . . good Lord, deliver us!

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Somewhere upthread I posted the link to the Real Lens, through which all the White House shenanigans must be viewed. It is Russian collusion. To scotch that investigation is now the sole imperative of Lyin' Don, and any action to that end is allowable in his mind.
So: will he resign in a huff? Only if someone (who? Pence?) will undertake to pardon him (not necessarily even Jared & co., I think he'd throw the kids off the sled to save himself). It would be pleasant if Pence reneged on that promise, reluctantly, compelled by events, it's in the Bible, his wife told him to, etc. There would be a poetic justice to that, the liar caught by a lie.
But this must be the end game. There's many a long winding road before that day. Before he resigns in a huff, I think there will be foreign complications. A war, probably -- invading somebody. Reagan was clever enough to pick Grenada, a walkover. I fear that Crooked Don will choose North Korea, far away and full of people who are not white. If I were the South Koreans I would worry, and start buying lobbyists.

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Robert Armin

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Given Russian meddling, I'd love it to have Trump's victory thrown out as tainted, and give the presidency to the winner of the popular vote. Doubt that would happen, but I think it would be fair.

I also wish there were ways to totally reverse everything T has done, preferably all in one fell swoop.

(And Pence should *not* take over, because he's part of the tainted Republican ticket.)

From your lips to God's ears. (With thanks to Mousethief for this wonderful saying.)

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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This article from New York Times seems useful in understanding how compromising people and manipulating them works. It suggests to me that dumtrump is over his head and so are his courtiers. I like the idea of the Russians weaponizing their intelligence.

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the most telling piece of information may be the most obvious. Donald Trump himself made numerous statements in support of Russia, Russian intelligence and WikiLeaks during the campaign. At the same time, Mr. Trump and his team have gone out of their way to hide contacts with Russians and lied to the public about it. Likewise, Mr. Trump has attacked those people and institutions that could get to the bottom of the affair.... Innocent people don’t tend to behave this way.


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Breaking news on this bank of the pond:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40820863

Could this be the beginning of the end for Ozymandias?

Or, at least, the end of the beginning?

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BBC are reporting as breaking news that Mueller is 'impannelling' a grand jury and issuing subpoenas. This seems like the end of the phoney war, as it were.

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I think it is rather the beginning of a very real, and very nasty war. But if there ever was such a thing as a Just War, this would be it.

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This work in progress has been buzzing around my head this afternoon, to the tune of Tomorrow from Annie the Musical.

Grand Jury, Grand Jury
He's impaneled a Grand Jury
Schadenfreude is mine today

You're welcome.

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Tangent alert! Robert Armin, I've always known that wonderful saying as a Jewish one.

M.

Sorry, all I was trying to say is that it pre-dates even mousethief!

[ 04. August 2017, 06:33: Message edited by: M. ]

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this thread, being composed of tangents, leads us to a greater theme.

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Can Trump really believe all the stuff he spouts? And is it more frightening if he does, or if he doesn't?

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I think it may be more important to consider what other folks believe about Trump's behaviour.

This article made me think. It looks as though, as well as his notes, James Comey created an additional contemporary evidence trail re his discussions and phone calls with POTUS and there will be witnesses to that effect.

I suppose it might be argued that the contemporary recollections (written down or otherwise) of conversations and over-hearings by FBI officals are all "poisoned" by Comey's "misunderstandings and misrepresentations" of his conversations with POTUS. That remains to be seen.

However, coupled with various statements and actions, (including the latest revelations of POTUS's "weighing in" re Trump Jr's misleading statement,) there is growing support for a pattern of obstruction of justice by POTUS himself. Sufficient to convince a grand jury to bring a finding of another unindicted co-conspirator in the White House?

Would the GOP majority in the Senate protect him? Maybe not.

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Though he does show signs of wanting to fight things out in the court of public opinion:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/03/donald-trump-west-virginia-rally-russia-grand-jury

Which is probably not a welcome development on the whole.

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And he *still* can't cope with not winning the popular vote. He's *still* trying to get Hillary on trial.

Someone on NPR pointed out that the loser of the presidential election is usually left alone. Ain't likely to happen.
[Roll Eyes]

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Originally posted by Golden Key:
And he *still* can't cope with not winning the popular vote. He's *still* trying to get Hillary on trial.

My take on that is slightly different. Trump wants popular acclaim. As his popularity dips. he goes back to what he was doing when he felt more popular. He never felt more popular than when "winning" the election. What was he doing then? Oh, yeah, he was constantly urging investigations of Clinton. Therefore, to regain his popularity, he has resumed insisting on investigations of Clinton. It is what makes him popular! It is not so much that he can't cope with not winning the popular vote--he can't cope with not remaining popular.
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No, the news of a grand jury is not especially significant. It happens all the time. Of course from the investigatees' point of view it would have been been better if the DoJ immediately decided it was all smoke and no fire. But the grand jury will poke around for months and months and see if it's worth bringing charges. Very often they decide it's not worth while, and until they do there's no point in getting excited. The mills of American justice grind very, very slow. Here's a law professor in the POST explaining all this.

If you remember Peggy Noonan, the Bush speech writer, she has a book out. Chunks of it are here on her blog, a free click. As you would expect, she's scorching. This particular bit was written before the Mooch got the axe; I have to click around and see what she says about that debacle.

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O, that's rather depressing. I was hoping that Ozymandias might be hauled up before the bench quite quickly, so that he could get sent to prison equally quickly, and the world could relax a little.

[Disappointed]

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Oh, I think we should probably hunker down for four years of this chaos. But if Trump continues to be as utterly ineffectual as he has been up to now, that may not be so bad. President Pence might be even worse.

Just as long as the joint chiefs don't allow him to start any wars. They could install a mini-golf green in the situation room, or something, you know, distract him.

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That's depressing as well (or would be, if I were American). To think of all that time, money, and effort, spent on electing a president with the intelligence (and attention span) of a fruit fly.

Still, point taken. Ozymandias ineffectual is better than Ozymandias starting WW3...

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This should be a free click: What Crooked Donald can do to save himself.

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Hmm. Start a war, or suffer an attack (on his Sacred Person? Or on the country?).

Neither option is that attractive...

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I suppose there is an upside. His appalling incompetence is preventing the implementation of his appalling policies.

I should think that Kelly and Mattis would move on Article 25 if the Donald tried to play the desperate card of a savage act of aggression. And maybe even the family can see now that he has at the very least to be contained somehow.

Risky times. I've never seen the like in any of the Western democracies. The Brexit incompetencies of the present UK government pale into insignificance by comparison.

[ 05. August 2017, 08:41: Message edited by: Barnabas62 ]

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