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Og, King of Bashan

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Originally posted by Soror Magna:
Anyway, this is yet another example of something that would never have happened under Obama. (Or Clinton.) I thought LeBron James' tweet was the best: "Going to White House was a great honor until you showed up!"

You skipped the part where he addressed the President as "u bum." [Killing me]

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Originally posted by cliffdweller:
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Originally posted by Boogie:
Please explain Trump's row with the NFL.

And why does kneeling for the national anthem cause him such anger? Is this war of words and actions all about racism or something else?

It's a combo of racism and flag fetishism-- both of which play well with his base.

The reality is, I'm hard pressed to think of a more respectful, more peaceful, more appropriate and yes, patriotic, form of protest than to "take a knee".

I couldn't agree more about 'taking the knee'. My wife read me a list of ways in which you can disrespect the US flag, including draping it around an object or your body.

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There is also the fact that some 70% of NFL players are African-American, and (yes, I know many get paid vast sums of money, but):

a. Football is one of the not-numerous-enough routes upward for disadvantaged African-Americans in this society, and

b. Football is once again putting black lives at serious risk (as in maiming injuries, CTE, etc.) for the entertainment of largely white, and/or more affluent crowds (with ticket prices at around $150 a pop).

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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I should think things about Confederate monuments and Confed flags might be disrespectful of the American flag. It does seems complicated when it's flags which are debated and neoNazis aren't.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ohher:
There is also the fact that some 70% of NFL players are African-American, and (yes, I know many get paid vast sums of money, but):
...

It isn't enough to protect them from racist policing. Note that the behaviour which the police said was suspicious was what exactly what everyone is advised to do in an active shooter situation: run, hide, and only as a last resort, fight.

And does Donald Trump think the linked arms are a counter-protest to the knee?

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Arabella Purity Winterbottom

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Originally posted by Eirenist:
Bishop's Finger, I believe that New Zealand rather than Oz is where good UKlanders want to go, on account of it being (according to my Kiwi son-in-law) stuck in the '70s. If he is misleading me, I apologise to any offended Kiwis.

Except that if North Korea's crazy man does choose to test a bomb in the Pacific, France sounds safer.

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Steady. Exoatmospherically over it. A quarter of the planet away from NZ. Chill.

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According to the BBC, North Korea reckons that war has already been declared:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41391978

Perhaps we're going to regret the non-appearance of Nibiru, after all.

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Ian Climacus

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How is Weiner generally viewed, if there is a consensus, by Democrats/those on the left? He had slipped my mind until I read about his going to jail.

Is he seen as someone who contributed to the loss? He was a high-flyer at one point, wasn't he?

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This is awesome.

"Donald Trump's Childhood Home Is on Airbnb — and Oxfam Just Rented It For Refugees" (PopSugar).

[Killing me] [Overused]

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Ian--

I don't remember specifics from back then--except that some (conservative) people thought he tainted Hillary, because his wife is very close to her, and IIRC an integral part of the campaign.

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GK, must Oxfam really subject those poor people to Trump paraphernalia?

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Ian--

I don't remember specifics from back then--except that some (conservative) people thought he tainted Hillary, because his wife is very close to her, and IIRC an integral part of the campaign.

Anyone who thought Weiner was a reason not to vote for Clinton wasn't going to vote for her anyway.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian Climacus:
How is Weiner generally viewed, if there is a consensus, by Democrats/those on the left? He had slipped my mind until I read about his going to jail.

Is he seen as someone who contributed to the loss? He was a high-flyer at one point, wasn't he?

More like a "medium-flyer". He was a U.S. Congressman from New York's 9th Congressional district. (That's Brooklyn, to save you the trouble of Googling it.) He was essentially a reliable back-bencher from a safe district, so he was one of the elite insofar as he was one of the 435 people in the lower house of the U.S. Congress, but he wasn't notable for anything else, at least in terms of legislation and committee assignments. He obviously achieved notoriety in other ways, though.

Weiner "contributed" to Hillary Clinton's loss in that it was his laptop that gave James Comey an excuse to push the "Hillary bad e-mails! [Mad] Grr!" story back onto the media center stage ten days before the election, using his authority as FBI director to make it seem really serious. Comey eventually issued an "oops, never mind" letter, but by then the damage was done.

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quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Ian--

I don't remember specifics from back then--except that some (conservative) people thought he tainted Hillary, because his wife is very close to her, and IIRC an integral part of the campaign.

Anyone who thought Weiner was a reason not to vote for Clinton wasn't going to vote for her anyway.
Indeed. The objections from most conservatives who claimed to be bothered by the connection were more along the lines of Huma Abedin (Weiner's wife) being a secret Islamic sleeper agent passing along Hillary's marching orders from her hidden masters in the Muslim Brotherhood. Seriously. There are American voters who thought this.

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Originally posted by simontoad:
My wife read me a list of ways in which you can disrespect the US flag, including draping it around an object or your body.

Someone should tell this lot, before Trump finds out about them...

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O, I don't know. Melancholia would look rather fetching in one of them, I think.

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Ian Climacus

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Thank you all for the Weiner information.
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*snigger*

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Ian Climacus

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[Razz]


So the health bill has been pulled. Do you think they'll give it another go at any point?

Tax reform next...do you think they're on firmer ground there?

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They keep on saying they will. They've promised to Repeal Obamacare for so many years that the base (the rabid Trumpistas) will hold them to it. But it surely must have sunk in by now that nobody else likes the idea. It's a pity that their pride and folly put so many innocent people in danger. If they were only playing Russian roulette by themselves nobody much would care.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ian Climacus:

So the health bill has been pulled. Do you think they'll give it another go at any point?

According to The Los Angeles Times (as well as other sources, but this was the first hit on Google)
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The Senate is relying on special budget rules that would allow passage of the healthcare bill with a simple majority, bypassing the threat of a filibuster by opponents.

So-called budget reconciliation provides a potentially powerful strategic advantage for Republicans. They hold a slim 52-seat majority and would almost certainly be unable to reach the 60-vote threshold needed to overcome a filibuster by Democrats or even Republican opponents of the bill. Using the budget process, Republicans need only 50 votes, assuming Vice President Mike Pence casts the tie-breaking vote.

But budget rules, which need to be approved each year, are set to expire on Sept. 30, at the end of fiscal 2017.



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Brenda Clough
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A free article describing the Obamacare repeal effort as essentially immortal.

On the up side, even a few years of Obamacare has made it plain that most Americans really kind of like having health insurance. Every year that passes will increase that feeling.

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It does seem that even most Republicans blanch at taking access to essential medical care away from people, even when they opposed giving them it in the first place.

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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
A free article describing the Obamacare repeal effort as essentially immortal.

On the up side, even a few years of Obamacare has made it plain that most Americans really kind of like having health insurance. Every year that passes will increase that feeling.

Which will drive Trump maaaaaaad (madder).

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Golden Key
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And more "fun":

"Tweeters Tear Into Donald Trump For 'Blaming' Puerto Rico Over Maria Devastation" (Yahoo).

The commenters on that article are not happy with T, either.

I saw a clip of him talking about PR. He felt the need to explain that "it's an island...an island...in the middle of the ocean", and looked like he was only vaguely familiar with the idea.

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Crœsos
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
It does seem that even most Republicans blanch at taking access to essential medical care away from people, even when they opposed giving them it in the first place.

Really? From the vote counts in both the House and Senate that I've seen it seems like only a very few Republicans "blanch at taking access to essential medical care away from people". I know a lot of Republican blanch at accurately describing what they're doing as "taking access to essential medical care away from people", but most of them seem fine with actually doing it.

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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
It does seem that even most Republicans blanch at taking access to essential medical care away from people, even when they opposed giving them it in the first place.

Really? From the vote counts in both the House and Senate that I've seen it seems like only a very few Republicans "blanch at taking access to essential medical care away from people". I know a lot of Republican blanch at accurately describing what they're doing as "taking access to essential medical care away from people", but most of them seem fine with actually doing it.
'kay; for "most" read "some, enough to prevent it"

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The British spoof news site NewsThump has noticed Trump's difficulties in locating Puerto Rico on a map: see here

They've been having fun with the NFL story, too, although their main focus at the moment is the Ryanair scandal.

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Grrrrr. [Mad] T is at it again.

"Donald Trump Refuses to Send More Aid to Puerto Rico, Citing Business Interests" (Yahoo).

That headline is slightly misleading.

We've got something called the Jones act, which says that shipping from one US port to another has to be done by American vessels. This was temporarily waived for Texas and Florida. But he doesn't want to do that for Puerto Rico.

AIUI, some members of Congress are working on a waiver. Sen. McCain, per that article, is furious that Puerto Rico is being treated this way. For a long time, he's fought to repeal the Jones act.

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Grrrrr. [Mad] T is at it again.

"Donald Trump Refuses to Send More Aid to Puerto Rico, Citing Business Interests" (Yahoo).

That headline is slightly misleading.

We've got something called the Jones act, which says that shipping from one US port to another has to be done by American vessels. This was temporarily waived for Texas and Florida. But he doesn't want to do that for Puerto Rico.

Puerto Rico is not the US gulf coast. It has less coastline than Texas and nothing comparable in the way of the deep water ports available across Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida. Business interests include safety and logistics, among others.

Of course that won't prevent the pending puerile observation that the people of Puerto Rico are brown...


[Roll Eyes]

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Just in, T-boy is waiving the Jones Act. It's probably too much to hope for, that some day he'll go for just as long, without water and power in a subtropical climate.

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quote:
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Puerto Rico is not the US gulf coast. It has less coastline than Texas and nothing comparable in the way of the deep water ports available across Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida. Business interests include safety and logistics, among others.

Yeah so, logically and rationally, if that were the reason, why didn’t the Orange Administration just say so. If there are no foreign ships that can make port in PR safely and on time, why bring the Jones Act up?
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Of course that won't prevent the pending puerile observation that the people of Puerto Rico are brown...


[Roll Eyes]

might be just because he thinks they are some sort of stealth immigrant.

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quote:
Originally posted by romanlion:

Of course that won't prevent the pending puerile observation that the people of Puerto Rico are brown...


[Roll Eyes]

might be just because he thinks they are some sort of stealth immigrant. [/QB]
Honestly sometimes he just seems to be cruel for the sake of being cruel. No more motivation needed. I guess it makes him feel powerful

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Honestly sometimes he just seems to be cruel for the sake of being cruel. No more motivation needed. I guess it makes him feel powerful

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I think there is a certain type of voter (often older/middle aged men) who almost seem to relish being cruel because they think it makes them hard headed realists.

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:

We've got something called the Jones act, which says that shipping from one US port to another has to be done by American vessels.

Which specifically, AIUI, means that, for example, a non-US ship in the Pacific cannot stop at Hawaii on the way to the US mainland, which means that goods from Asia destined for Hawaii are first shipped to California, and then back to Hawaii.
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:

We've got something called the Jones act, which says that shipping from one US port to another has to be done by American vessels.

Which specifically, AIUI, means that, for example, a non-US ship in the Pacific cannot stop at Hawaii on the way to the US mainland, which means that goods from Asia destined for Hawaii are first shipped to California, and then back to Hawaii.
Seriously?!! That is super-fucked up. Good thing living there is so cheap

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Which specifically, AIUI, means that, for example, a non-US ship in the Pacific cannot stop at Hawaii on the way to the US mainland, which means that goods from Asia destined for Hawaii are first shipped to California, and then back to Hawaii.

That's not strictly true, the act applies to shipping between US ports, so there would be no issue if all the cargo was being offloaded at Hawaii, however logistically things usually arrive from the west coast - and the jones act would apply there - and would specify a US manufactured and owned ship, flying under a US flag, crewed by US citizens or permanent residents. The combination of all these clauses drives the cost of shipping up

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Originally posted by chris stiles:
That's not strictly true, the act applies to shipping between US ports, so there would be no issue if all the cargo was being offloaded at Hawaii

And there's the rub - nobody from Asia is sending a whole ship just to Hawaii. It's not a big enough market. The rational thing is to send a ship, offload some goods in Hawaii, and continue on to one of the CA ports with the rest, but that makes the leg between HI and CA "shipping between US ports".
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On to the next pea under the mattress now, it's being waived...

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Originally posted by romanlion:
On to the next pea under the mattress now, it's being waived...

Someone living in Puerto Rico with no access to clean water, food, medical supplies, gasoline -- and no electricity -- I don't think would consider this outdated law to be a "pea under a mattress."

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Originally posted by romanlion:
On to the next pea under the mattress now, it's being waived...

Someone living in Puerto Rico with no access to clean water, food, medical supplies, gasoline -- and no electricity -- I don't think would consider this outdated law to be a "pea under a mattress."
The pea I was referring to was the hypocritical, manufactured outrage at everything Trump does/doesn't do, says/doesn't say, is/isn't.

Similar to what we saw from the right for Barry, but no less tiresome...

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quote:
Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
On to the next pea under the mattress now, it's being waived...

Someone living in Puerto Rico with no access to clean water, food, medical supplies, gasoline -- and no electricity -- I don't think would consider this outdated law to be a "pea under a mattress."
The pea I was referring to was the hypocritical, manufactured outrage at everything Trump does/doesn't do, says/doesn't say, is/isn't.

Similar to what we saw from the right for Barry, but no less tiresome...

I'm not sure what's hypocritical or manufactured about outrage over people being left to starve. Or how it's equivalent to a bunch of racist whining about birth certificates or pointless complaints about tan suits. Claiming that what kind of mustard Obama had on his hamburgers (seriously?) is just as unworthy of true outrage as the fact that millions of Americans lack the basic necessities to keep alive is pretty much the purest distillation I've come across (yet) of the toxic and reflexive bothsiderism prevalent in much of American politics today.

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Flag idolatry isn't even limited to the fundamentalist churches. Try to remove the flag from the sanctuary of your typical Middle American mainline Protestant church, and watch people lose their minds.

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quote:
Originally posted by Crœsos:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
On to the next pea under the mattress now, it's being waived...

Someone living in Puerto Rico with no access to clean water, food, medical supplies, gasoline -- and no electricity -- I don't think would consider this outdated law to be a "pea under a mattress."
The pea I was referring to was the hypocritical, manufactured outrage at everything Trump does/doesn't do, says/doesn't say, is/isn't.

Similar to what we saw from the right for Barry, but no less tiresome...

I'm not sure what's hypocritical or manufactured about outrage over people being left to starve.
"First of all, we are very grateful for the administration. They have responded quickly.

The president has been very attentive to the situation, personally calling me several times. FEMA and the FEMA director have been here in Puerto Rico twice. As a matter of fact, they were here with us today, making sure that all the resources in FEMA were working in conjunction with the central government.

We have been working together. We have been getting results. The magnitude of this catastrophe is enormous. This is going to take a lot of help, a lot of collaboration."

-Puerto Rico Governor Ricardo Rossello

Left to starve? You should call the Governor and let him know. Maybe he's missed it.

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quote:
Originally posted by romanlion:
The pea I was referring to was the hypocritical, manufactured outrage at everything Trump does/doesn't do, says/doesn't say, is/isn't.

quote:
Originally posted by romanlion:
"First of all, we are very grateful for the administration. They have responded quickly.

The president has been very attentive to the situation, personally calling me several times. FEMA and the FEMA director have been here in Puerto Rico twice. As a matter of fact, they were here with us today, making sure that all the resources in FEMA were working in conjunction with the central government.

We have been working together. We have been getting results. The magnitude of this catastrophe is enormous. This is going to take a lot of help, a lot of collaboration."

-Puerto Rico Governor Ricardo Rossello

Left to starve? You should call the Governor and let him know. Maybe he's missed it.

Is that the same Ricardo Rossello who was "hypocritical[ly] manufactur[ing] outrage" by petitioning for the lifting of the Jones Act? Luckily you're here to tell him he's whining about a "pea under the mattress". [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
On to the next pea under the mattress now, it's being waived...

Someone living in Puerto Rico with no access to clean water, food, medical supplies, gasoline -- and no electricity -- I don't think would consider this outdated law to be a "pea under a mattress."
The pea I was referring to was the hypocritical, manufactured outrage at everything Trump does/doesn't do, says/doesn't say, is/isn't.

Similar to what we saw from the right for Barry, but no less tiresome...

I'm not sure what's hypocritical or manufactured about outrage over people being left to starve.
"First of all, we are very grateful for the administration. They have responded quickly.

The president has been very attentive to the situation, personally calling me several times. FEMA and the FEMA director have been here in Puerto Rico twice. As a matter of fact, they were here with us today, making sure that all the resources in FEMA were working in conjunction with the central government.

We have been working together. We have been getting results. The magnitude of this catastrophe is enormous. This is going to take a lot of help, a lot of collaboration."

-Puerto Rico Governor Ricardo Rossello

Left to starve? You should call the Governor and let him know. Maybe he's missed it.

Desperate beggars are often very polite to the guy holding the purse strings. Were I in his wet and muddy shoes I'd probably be crawling up Trumps orange a@@ as well

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romanlion--

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Originally posted by romanlion:
The pea I was referring to was the hypocritical, manufactured outrage at everything Trump does/doesn't do, says/doesn't say, is/isn't.

Similar to what we saw from the right for Barry, but no less tiresome...

The first is more like all the stacked mattresses being infested by gila monsters, rattle snakes, spontaneous combustion, Chernobyl, and random thugs--plus all sorts of vermin.

The second is the kind of argument and venom you frequently stated about Pres. Obama. And yes, that certainly was tiresome. (Your wording.)

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romanlion--

quote:
Originally posted by romanlion:
The pea I was referring to was the hypocritical, manufactured outrage at everything Trump does/doesn't do, says/doesn't say, is/isn't.

Similar to what we saw from the right for Barry, but no less tiresome...

The first is more like all the stacked mattresses being infested by gila monsters, rattle snakes, spontaneous combustion, Chernobyl, and random thugs--plus all sorts of vermin.

The second is the kind of argument and venom you frequently stated about Pres. Obama. And yes, that certainly was tiresome. (Your wording.)

There was no discernible difference. I'm sorry you can't see that.

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Originally posted by Crœsos:
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It does seem that even most Republicans blanch at taking access to essential medical care away from people, even when they opposed giving them it in the first place.

Really? From the vote counts in both the House and Senate that I've seen it seems like only a very few Republicans "blanch at taking access to essential medical care away from people". I know a lot of Republican blanch at accurately describing what they're doing as "taking access to essential medical care away from people", but most of them seem fine with actually doing it.
'kay; for "most" read "some, enough to prevent it"
"Some, enough to prevent it" = 3, out of 52 senators. Back in May in the House, 20 Republicans voted against taking health care away from millions of people, and 217 voted for it. Not very much blanching at all.
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