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Originally posted by simontoad:
There are two differences between Australia's federal system and the United States' system in the area of supply, two I want to point out anyway. No, three. First, we call bills about funding Govt supply bills. Second, these bills only require a simple majority in both houses. Third, if supply fails, there is a reserve power resting in the Crown to dismiss the Govt and call an election. I think this power only works as a fail-safe in Westminster systems, where the executive comes out of the legislature.
As I noted earlier the U.S. Congress does have a process called "reconciliation" by which a bill can pass with a simple majority. This is supposed to be used to make sure that an obstinate minority can't shut down the U.S. government so it's usually reserved for appropriating an operating budget for the federal government. Unfortunately Mitch McConnell had other priorities and used the reconciliation process for other things (you get one reconciliation bill per year), gambling that he could get a budget passed through normal legislation. At this point that assessment looks incorrect.
It should be noted that during the negotiations for the tax bill McConnell secured the vote of Jeff Flake by promising that DACA legislation would be taken up by the end of January. Since this hasn't happened the Democrats' unwillingness to accept McConnell's promise to deal with DACA at a later date (essentially the same promise he made Flake and similar to promises McConnell made to Susan Collins about health care legislation that have likewise failed to materialize) is quite understandable.
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Brenda Clough
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No, they've proved untrustworthy with their promises so often that this makes all the negotiations much more difficult. I personally would not trust McConnell with a stick of gum.
These are from the POST, but cheerier: the pussygrabber may have permanently awakened a snarling tigress. I will add that I am in this photograph, just beyond the arch of that concrete bridge.
And polling data to back that up.
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
What interesting news - to what deserving cause has Orange McGlumface donated his huuuuuuge salary?
![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Government.
Is there any more deserving and noble cause than that?
![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif) Trump wouldn’t recognise deserving or noble if they ran over him in a truck
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Just so - and America doesn't have a government at the moment, does it?
Soooo......perhaps Glowering McFatFace is simply donating money to himself.....
.....or to one of his egregious Prosperity Gospel friends, like this creep.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
What interesting news - to what deserving cause has Orange McGlumface donated his huuuuuuge salary?
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Government.
Is there any more deserving and noble cause than that?
Trump wouldn’t recognise deserving or noble if they ran over him in a truck
And yet he has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the National Parks, Department of Education, and Health and Human Services.
Weird innit?
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Did he -do- it, or did he say/tweet/bloviate that he did it? He is on record as promising to donate money to lots of causes, and just 'forgetting' to actually write the check. Only when it appears in the newspaper did he belatedly actually fork out.
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Bishops Finger
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Yes, I'm afraid the Orange Father Of Lies might need to provide proof of his huuuuuuuuge and really, really, bigly generosity.
Covfefe, anyone?
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Just so - and America doesn't have a government at the moment, does it?
IJ
Sure it does! Just the essential bits...
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Confronted by the budget impasse a Twitter user named panarmstrong created this gem, which is making the rounds. UKians should know that Tide is the brand name of an American laundry detergent:
The Brunch Scene:
Dem: "Let's order some eggs for breakfast."
GOP: "I'm not ordering food until you get folks at the next table to eat some Tide Pods. Those things look delicious."
Dem: "No way. Tide Pods aren't food."
GOP: "Well I guess you don't really want eggs, then."
GOP (loudly, to room): "THE DEMOCRATS DONT WANT ANY OF YOU TO HAVE EGGS!"
Dem: "You said to get eggs, we'd have to make the folks at that table eat Tide Pods." (points)
Folks At Table: "We don't want to eat Tide Pods, that's dangerous!"
GOP: "But they look delicious!"
Dem: "Tide Pods may look delicious, but they're really laundry detergent. You can't eat them, you use them to wash clothes."
GOP: "Why can't we do both? You're taking away Real Americans' God-given freedom to eat Tide Pods!"
Dem (incredulous) "What?"
GOP: "WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA
Dem (aside): "This happens EVERY time we try to hang out."
Guy in MAGA Hat from Another Table: "One of my friends back home ate a Tide Pod once and he was fine. Said it was way better than bath salts."
(A NYT reporter suddenly appears & asks to interview Guy in MAGA Hat.)
Dem (loudly, to room): "OK folks I've looked up the list of ingredients in Tide Pods."
(Dem reads long list of complicated sounding ingredients in monotone voice. Adds emphasis to a word no one has ever heard of.)
(Dem finishes reading list of Tide Pod ingredients.)
Dem: "And that's why you shouldn't eat Tide Pods." (Sits)
Guy in MAGA Hat (to GOP & NYT reporter): "Is she still talking?"
GOP: "Too focused on ingredient politics."
NYT (writes) ::Tide Pods divide hurts Dem in Heartland::
Dem: "OK maybe we can work across the aisle and come up with a bipartisan solution. How about we compromise an a la carte Tide Pod with every order of eggs?"
GOP: "Nope. The Folks at That Table have to eat the Tide Pods, or we're not getting any eggs for brunch."
Dem: "But the Folks at That Table don't want to eat Tide Pods for brunch! But they'd agree to Tide Pods on their plate."
Folks at That Table: "No actually we don't want Tide Pods anywhere near our food, thanks."
Dem: "Sorry. The American people want bipartisan solutions."
GOP: "No, the American People want the Folks at That Table to eat some Tide Pods, and they want Democrats like you to stop obstructing the rest of us from eating eggs."
Guy in MAGA Hat: "Yeah!"
NYT reporter (writes) ::Are Dem Policies Creating Egg Shortage?::
Server Working the Brunch Shift: "They. Are. Arguing. About. Eating. Fucking. Tide. Pods."
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O, I am so relieved to hear that! The Free World is still in good hands...as long as they keep away from pu**ies.
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My last post was in reply (?) to romanlion, but it does equally well as a reply to Brenda's!
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Don't know if this means a temporary truce?
Government shutdown truce?
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Originally posted by Stephen:
Don't know if this means a temporary truce?
Government shutdown truce?
The outline of the deal in the Senate seems to break down to three things:
- Funding the government for another three weeks
- Renewing CHIP for six years
- Cut a few unpopular taxes associated with the ACA
The government re-opens if the House can be persuaded to accept the Senate bill as written and Trump agrees to sign it.
McConnell has promised a bill to cover DACA at some point. On the one hand McConnell's promises are essentially worthless, and even if the Senate takes up the matter there's no guarantee the House will. On the other hand, if nothing happens the situation replays itself in three weeks, and CHIP is funded for six years.
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Brenda, I'm ok with Tide, but I thought a pod was a thing you listen to. Also, what's a MAGA hat? Dialogue funny, but in a depressing way.
Also, the failing Washington Post wants my bloody money.
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@ Croesos
An accurate summary. Behind the scenes, I did wonder if McConnell and Schumer have agreed on some way of trying to get more control over,and consistency out of, the court of the Mad Orange Emperor. That's probably necessary to prevent quite serious levels of administrative and fiscal chaos.
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Here is a MAGA hat.
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Originally posted by simontoad:
Brenda, I'm ok with Tide, but I thought a pod was a thing you listen to. Also, what's a MAGA hat? Dialogue funny, but in a depressing way.
Also, the failing Washington Post wants my bloody money.
a) Tide Pod challenge on Wiki.
b) MAGA on Wiki, as well.
c) I signed up for the failing WaPo a few months ago, and for a VERY reasonable fee (a mere $19 per year!), renewable at the same price. Go, and do likewise! It's definitely worth it, and you get a free 30-day pass each month you can give away to a friend (or foe). ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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B-b-b-but Trump has been awarded an A+ for his first year!
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The devil can quote scripture for his purpose too. Should he also get an A+?
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Oh my God. They seem bent on destroying the Christian brand along with the US one. How does 44.2's effort to end DACA -- to say nothing of his support for white supremacists -- square with "In Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek," etc.?
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Has anyone heard if Schumer has regained consciousness? That was a pretty serious thump he took!
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I don't think he's in the NFL concussion protocol.
On the A+ scorecard, Tony Campolo observed more than 20 years ago that the unholy alliance between the GOP and the evangelical right seemed on course to set back the cause of Christianity in the US for 50 years. Looks like he was right.
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Originally posted by Ohher:
How does 44.2's effort to end DACA...square with "In Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek," etc.?
I suppose we will see, once he signs proper legislation addressing the DACA issue by spring. Something Obama was never able to do, even with majorities in both Houses of Congress.
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Behind the scenes, I did wonder if McConnell and Schumer have agreed on some way of trying to get more control over,and consistency out of, the court of the Mad Orange Emperor.
By delivering him another significant win? Odd strategy...
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Originally posted by Wesley J:
I signed up for the failing WaPo a few months ago, and for a VERY reasonable fee (a mere $19 per year!), renewable at the same price. Go, and do likewise! It's definitely worth it, and you get a free 30-day pass each month you can give away to a friend (or foe).
They want to charge me $100/year ($150 if it includes the monthly bonus subscriptions).
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There's no "Christian brand". It appears though there's a great mistaking of the Kingdom of God with the American Dream. Though for many the American Dream is quite the nightmare, particularly, as I understand it, those in poverty, brown and black people, people who live in shithole countries whose governments have agreed that multinationals may export their natural resources among them.
Since I'm talking of dreams and Freud wrote The "Interpretation of Dreams" maybe we could wonder if there isn't some weird psychosexual backstory to trumpy. It is intriguing that for the Ancient Greeks small penises meant self control; we could also reference small hands which excessively masturbate (twitter) his substitute penis (his phone: perhaps larger than what it symbolizes?).
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OF COURSE that's what a MAGA hat is. I was imagining some special type of cowboy hat or something. I did subscribe to the Post (I think it was the Post) last year, but I found I wasn't reading enough of their stuff, plus I had to call America on the eau de cologne to cancel, which annoyed me. Instead, I look at the Sacramento Bee for my Yank news. Lots of ads masquerading as news, but they also rewrite stuff from the major dailies.
I don't think Trump needs anything to substitute for his John Thomas. I think he is very very familiar with his person in an intimate way. I think he knows himself best in this particular field.
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If you have a public library card, go to your library's web site and log on. (You already do this, if you're reserving or renewing your materials on line.) Then see if they subscribe to the Post, or any other periodical you're interested in -- the NY Times, Newsweek, whatever. You should be able to read it on their web site through their portal.
If you happen to have a .mil or .edu email address, the Post will give you a free subscription.
The next time they give me a free coupon I'll pop over and offer it here.
Meanwhile, Crooked Donny is curiously absent.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
And yet he has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the National Parks, Department of Education, and Health and Human Services.
Weird innit?
Citation needed again. Like, say, a tax receipt for a charitable donation. Or confirmation from the recipient of the donation(s).
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Trump claims victory, and personal credit, no matter what happens. He spins, shifts ground, misrepresents, lies. That's what anyone else in government has to deal with. it is going to give rise to odd, covert strategies until the dark days are over. No point in being upfront, playing fair. Trump doesn't know the meaning of those things.
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Originally posted by simontoad:
I don't think Trump needs anything to substitute for his John Thomas. I think he is very very familiar with his person in an intimate way. I think he knows himself best in this particular field.
Not surprising, since there's so little to know.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
If you have a public library card, go to your library's web site and log on. (You already do this, if you're reserving or renewing your materials on line.) Then see if they subscribe to the Post, or any other periodical you're interested in -- the NY Times, Newsweek, whatever. You should be able to read it on their web site through their portal.
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Doesn't seem to work, and -- more importantly -- I assume the links you post wouldn't work.
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
{Insert asshole here} claims victory, and personal credit, no matter what happens. He spins, shifts ground, misrepresents, lies. That's what anyone else in government has to deal with. it is going to give rise to odd, covert strategies until the dark days are over. No point in being upfront, playing fair.
As opposed to what modern American politico, if you don't mind?
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Originally posted by Soror Magna:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
And yet he has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the National Parks, Department of Education, and Health and Human Services.
Weird innit?
Citation needed again. Like, say, a tax receipt for a charitable donation. Or confirmation from the recipient of the donation(s).
Check his tax returns. If you can't find it there and consider CNN trustworthy...try
Google...
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Come off it. Politics everywhere is affected by deals, compromises, money. Sir Humphrey described the common characteristic as moral malleability. It's a struggle to preserve any personal integrity. But Trump's personal shittiness has dropped the low bar to subterranean.
If you want to argue that's only a difference of degree, rather than kind, I'd be inclined to agree. But differences of degree are as important as differences of kind. Trump's degrees of shittiness, coupled with his capacity for chaos, his vanity and his incompetence, are now a matter of record. A new world record of shittiness, at that.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
quote:
Originally posted by Barnabas62:
{Insert asshole here} claims victory, and personal credit, no matter what happens. He spins, shifts ground, misrepresents, lies. That's what anyone else in government has to deal with. it is going to give rise to odd, covert strategies until the dark days are over. No point in being upfront, playing fair.
As opposed to what modern American politico, if you don't mind?
If all your politicians are really like that, you are clearly incapable of governing yourselves. La République needs to put a task force together and invade ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) .
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la vie en rouge
That made me smile. But it's not so bad, I think. To misquote the end of Animal Farm, all politicians are shitty, but some are shittier than others.
Trump is not really a politician, more an example of amoral and uncorrected privileged capitalist shittiness.
Here are a few illustrations that he is a stranger to the truth.
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
If you want to argue that's only a difference of degree, rather than kind, I'd be inclined to agree. But differences of degree are as important as differences of kind.
I would also argue that its a difference in degree - largely because I think that to do otherwise exculpates the actions of the Republican party for the last few decades.
Reagan was a bizarre and weird figure - right until the time he wasn't and he was voted in.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
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Originally posted by Soror Magna:
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Originally posted by romanlion:
And yet he has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the National Parks, Department of Education, and Health and Human Services.
Weird innit?
Citation needed again. Like, say, a tax receipt for a charitable donation. Or confirmation from the recipient of the donation(s).
Check his tax returns. If you can't find it there and consider CNN trustworthy...try
Google...
Donald Trump's wealth is on record is c $3bn, so that is pocket change.
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$3 billion?
I hope he's arranged for HUUUUUGE pockets in his shroud....
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That's what he -says-. Is it just the 'value' of his name slapped onto golf courses and apartment blocks? I very much doubt that it's cash on deposit in banks that are not Russian. Nobody can know without a look at his tax returns and he is not releasing them. It is a fact that he's declared bankruptcy on a good few of his projects; that's a losery thing to do. Could it be that there is not much cash in those accounts?
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Well, maybe - I'm just looking forward to the time (God forgive me) when a shroud - with or without the bigliest pockets ever found on a shroud - becomes necessary.
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Check his tax returns. If you can't find it there and consider CNN trustworthy...try
Google...
He hasn't released his tax returns. All that reporting is from media advisories and press releases - it is NOT proof the donations were actually made.
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
The outline of the deal in the Senate seems to break down to three things:
- Funding the government for another three weeks
- Renewing CHIP for six years
- Cut a few unpopular taxes associated with the ACA
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McConnell has promised a bill to cover DACA at some point. On the one hand McConnell's promises are essentially worthless, and even if the Senate takes up the matter there's no guarantee the House will. On the other hand, if nothing happens the situation replays itself in three weeks, and CHIP is funded for six years.
Except that the Democrats - and I'm millimetres away from calling them the Dims like romanlion does - have negotiated away another piece of the ACA. ![[brick wall]](graemlins/brick_wall.gif) ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif) They would have done better if they'd left town on Friday and let the Republicans try to sort it out on their own. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
And yes, McConnell's promises are worthless - he once filibustered a bill he'd introduced only minutes earlier when it looked like it might actually be voted on and approved immediately.
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Trump is not really a politician, more an example of amoral and uncorrected privileged capitalist shittiness.
I think he suffers from affluenza.
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LutheranChik
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The Nectarine Narcissist donating his salary back to government is rather like a parishoner throwing a dollar bill into the collection plate while taking out someone’s hundred- dollar bill.
Meanwhile there’s all that missing Inauguration fund money...financing Meals on Wheels or disabled veterans’ programs, right?
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romanlion
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Trump is not really a politician...
And yet has given Durbin, Graham, and Schumer quite the lesson in their own game over the last week.
I can hear the recriminations now when he signs an immigration reform bill....
"Flaming racist incompetent Trump delivers dreamer amnesty for cynical, political spite!"
I've little doubt that something along those very lines will appear on these pages.
Granted it will require some skill from the Speaker, which is a concern for Trump I'm sure, but now that Schumer has ceded his leverage the package will likely hit all of Trump's enforcement requirements, while only directly addressing the relatively small DACA population.
That will make it more likely to pass the house, as well as extremely popular with a broad swath of voters.
IMO, of course.
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Crœsos
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Originally posted by romanlion:
Granted it will require some skill from the Speaker, which is a concern for Trump I'm sure, but now that Schumer has ceded his leverage the package will likely hit all of Trump's enforcement requirements, while only directly addressing the relatively small DACA population.
Has Schumer ceded any leverage? It seems like there's just as much leverage in three weeks when the continuing resolution expires as there was last weekend. He may have even more, since Republicans can no longer hold CHIP kids hostage.
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Barnabas62
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I'm not sure the Dems have been dims. This way, with CHIP out if the way, doesn't the pressure reverse back on POTUS and his hard-liners. McConnell is now insulated, particularly if attempts to resolve DACA get frustrated by the White House.
Trump is going to have to make his mind up. I wonder what Mr Orange Jello really wants.
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Brenda Clough
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I think it's pretty clear to all observers that the Dealmaking Emperor has no clothes. The legend was cut from the same cloth as the great income you could make with your degree from Trump University, or how Mexico was going to pay for a wall. His real gift seems to be finding sources of funding from places most people wouldn't go.
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