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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
This is from the Post but is on their front page, so perhaps you could go there to view the photo.
Nope.
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Golden Key
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That article mentioned that a museum lending art to the First Couple is a thing. Surprising.
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Nicolemr
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I wonder if they'll take it... and I wonder if they understand the point in making the offer.
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Ian Climacus
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Apart from the delight in reading about and seeing the Golden Throne, is it really up to a Director to make judgements based on their views? Wouldn't offering another painting be the more mature thing to do? It seems like it was only done to get news traction and the support of the left.
I acknowledge Trump as a loathsome human, but I feel uneasy about this.
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Why? It's not like the toilet isn't an acknowledged work of art that was on display in the museum.
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Originally posted by Ian Climacus:
Apart from the delight in reading about and seeing the Golden Throne, is it really up to a Director to make judgements based on their views? Wouldn't offering another painting be the more mature thing to do? It seems like it was only done to get news traction and the support of the left.
I acknowledge Trump as a loathsome human, but I feel uneasy about this.
As long as you spell their name right.
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Absolutely. It's G-u-g-g-e-. . .
Coat. Will go get.
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simontoad
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Ooh. Saturday night massacre misfire! That's from the Guardian Australia. Sensibly, the Guardian has kept its Australian site free because the ABC site is a free public service here. WOOT for big government! Mind you, the right-wing press is paywalled, because the ABC doesn't impact upon that market as much.
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Wesley J
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
The Washington Post front page. If you go there now the photo is front and center.
Or here, big, from the Guggenheim.
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Golden Key
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Ian--
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Originally posted by Ian Climacus:
Apart from the delight in reading about and seeing the Golden Throne, is it really up to a Director to make judgements based on their views? Wouldn't offering another painting be the more mature thing to do? It seems like it was only done to get news traction and the support of the left.
I acknowledge Trump as a loathsome human, but I feel uneasy about this.
I think I see your point, and I don't know what was really intended. Sometime back, there was word that T was considering redoing the bathroom in the presidential apartment in gold, as he did with other things. So that's not totally out o the blue.
OTOH, the person from the Guggenheim presumably is responsible for keeping all the art collection safe. I don't know if T throws things when furious; but, if so, any borrowed art could damaged.
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FYI: T's State Of The Union Address is next Tuesday night.
Will be interesting to see whether he's there in person, or by TV, or if he simply tweets. (Tweet: "I'm the bestest president ever. We're making America great again. I hate everybody. Goodnight.")
There's a move to get the Congressional Democrats to boycott it. Personally, I think that would be both stupid and a bad strategy. They should at least attend. If they simply don't react, or play Monopoly on the carpet, or do a 60's style protest again, being there would at least show that they care and are doing their jobs.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by LutheranChik:
Knowing the Trump family’s taste, they probably already have a gold-plated toilet.
All part of their attempt to polish a turd.
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Spokesman for the Israeli government, Mr D Trump, has told the Palestinians that now I've undermined the piece of territory most precious to you, it's up to you to talk peace - or I'll take away your money.
Presumably he hopes to build a Trump hotel on either East Jerusalem or as part of a new Israeli "settlement" somewhere in the disputed "occupied" territory and wants Netahyahu's endorsement to do so. So bugger the Palestinians , who are poor and brown and therefore of no account.
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Though it seems to me, on reflection, that Trump even asking the Guggenheim for a loan when the director is known to be anti-Trump, is a provocation, sort of like saying "nyah nyah, you don't like me but you have to do this for me", and the director replying "no I don't."
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The president can and has asked to borrow art before; I believe the practice began with the Reagans. The Obamas mainly had modern abstract art. I am certain that all due safeguards are taken so that the kids and Bo the dog don't damage the pieces.
A Van Gogh is a pretty big ask, however. Also be aware that the Guggenheim is a New York City museum. (As I recall the Obamas borrowed from the Corcoran here in DC.) Everybody in the Big Apple knows and loathes Crooked Don from days gone by. (Have I posted the Vanity Fair magazine photo retrospective of the history of Trump's hair recently? That's the kind of love he inspires.) He has never been a good neighbor, and has screwed over enough people in his home town that no one is inclined to do him any favors.
The more important brouhaha of the day is the word that Lyin' Don wanted to fire Mueller last year, but was talked out of it. A quick summary of the importance of this, alas from the Post. Loose lips sink ships; it may be that all the lawyers will need is the self-incrimination that he pours out unprompted.
For your amusement, a friend on Twitter posts:
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LutheranChik
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I guess what I find most disheartening in all of this is the smudgy- nosed obsequiousness of the Republican Party, despite the fact that many lawmakers find 45 an idiot buffoon, repugnant, or both.
Awhile back there was a theory going around that 45 was just a useful idiot for the Republicans, and that if he were able to successfully shill for the tax cut, the party would find a way to get rid of him before his term was up, preferring to deal with the more tractable Pence. I don’t see that happening. To me he is like a rodeo clown — he gets sent out to rile up the majority of citizens who dislike him and didn’t vote for him, to the delight of his rabid supporters up in the stands, while in the background the GOP is quietly, step by step, sharpening its knives and getting ready to dispatch our system in favor of a full- tilt, unapologetic authoritarian oligarchy.
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Originally posted by LutheranChik:
I guess what I find most disheartening in all of this is the smudgy-nosed obsequiousness of the Republican Party, despite the fact that many lawmakers find 45 an idiot buffoon, repugnant, or both.
Charlie Pierce argues convincingly that Trump (or someone like him) is not an anomaly but rather the obvious end point of the trajectory the Republican party has been following for nearly four decades.
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But my most serious reservation is that the dynamic being engaged by these wandering spirits tends to make the inevitable an anomaly. The prion disease has been at work for decades and Trump is just one of its most egregious symptoms. Earlier ones include the strangulation of the nomination of Merrick Garland, the nomination of Sarah Palin, the disinformation regarding Iraq, the U.S. Attorney scandal, the Great Penis Hunt of 1998, TravelGate, FileGate, Whitewater, Iran-Contra, supply-side economics, and the ensemble encroaching on the institutions of government by organized plutocracy and organized theocracy. All of these things, large and small, led inexorably to the presidency* of someone like Donald Trump.
Given this analysis, the reason elected Republicans are so obsequious to Trump is that he represents the apotheosis of everything they've been working for.
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Barnabas62
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There's a deadly plausibility in that article. The unholy alliance between the GOP and the evo right seems to have damaged both by pushing more moderate views to the margins.
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chris stiles
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
Charlie Pierce argues convincingly that Trump (or someone like him) is not an anomaly but rather the obvious end point of the trajectory the Republican party has been following for nearly four decades.
I didn't see much of an argument in that article myself - he just lists a chronological series of events and doesn't really make much of an attempt to draw any connections.
OTOH I do think he is right - and he's right in going back before the current era (as usually the obvious comparisons stop with Bush and Palin). Rick Perlstein is good on the topic. Though his books are somewhat uneven, he does show how bizarre Reagan was, right until he got voted in and wasn't any longer.
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simontoad
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Originally posted by Tukai:
Spokesman for the Israeli government, Mr D Trump, has told the Palestinians that now I've undermined the piece of territory most precious to you, it's up to you to talk peace - or I'll take away your money.
Presumably he hopes to build a Trump hotel on either East Jerusalem or as part of a new Israeli "settlement" somewhere in the disputed "occupied" territory and wants Netahyahu's endorsement to do so. So bugger the Palestinians , who are poor and brown and therefore of no account.
I hope this hasn't set the peace process back years. I hope the Israeli police nab Netenyahu for corruption very soon, that they find a suitable mediator, perhaps someone who is identified by an organisation rather than a nation, and that the tensions are reduced. I am afraid though.
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Originally posted by simontoad:
I hope the Israeli police nab Netenyahu for corruption very soon, that they find a suitable mediator, perhaps someone who is identified by an organisation rather than a nation, and that the tensions are reduced.
And, while you are at it, you want a pony. And a unicorn.
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Originally posted by simontoad:
I hope this hasn't set the peace process back years.
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Do you suppose if they could go back, they would just get off at Oslo now?
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Golden Key
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One tip should be "if you want to pay her hush money, and if you're rich, give her a heck of lot more money than T gave Stormy".
I'm still stunned he paid her so little. You'd think that even T could figure out she's more likely to stay hushed if he pays her a generous sum.
Alternatively, just don't have extramarital affairs.
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Barnabas62
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I need brain bleach. Not because of Trump but because of the execrable fruit from the hybrid tree which is GOP/evo right. They have no shame.
Trump has no shame, but of course we knew that.
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simontoad
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Originally posted by Hedgehog:
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Originally posted by simontoad:
I hope the Israeli police nab Netenyahu for corruption very soon, that they find a suitable mediator, perhaps someone who is identified by an organisation rather than a nation, and that the tensions are reduced.
And, while you are at it, you want a pony. And a unicorn.
Sure. The Netenyahu corruption thing is fair dinkum though. He might not be charged (last I heard he was going in for his ninth session with the rozzers), but he might not win the next election either.
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Bishops Finger
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Perhaps the small sum the Evil Orange Emperor paid Ms. Daniels reflects the level of satisfaction he gave her?
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by simontoad:
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Originally posted by Hedgehog:
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Originally posted by simontoad:
I hope the Israeli police nab Netenyahu for corruption very soon, that they find a suitable mediator, perhaps someone who is identified by an organisation rather than a nation, and that the tensions are reduced.
And, while you are at it, you want a pony. And a unicorn.
Sure. The Netenyahu corruption thing is fair dinkum though. He might not be charged (last I heard he was going in for his ninth session with the rozzers), but he might not win the next election either.
Corrupt or not Netanyahu is a moderate compared to other Likudniks and a librul compared to some of the ultras in the government coalition.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
The more important brouhaha of the day is the word that Lyin' Don wanted to fire Mueller last year, but was talked out of it. A quick summary of the importance of this, alas from the Post. Loose lips sink ships; it may be that all the lawyers will need is the self-incrimination that he pours out unprompted.
For your amusement, a friend on Twitter posts:
Now I lay me down to sleep
I pray Bob Mueller’s job he’ll keep
If he gets fired before I wake
Lordy, I do hope there’s tape
I'm working on the theory that Mueller will have had enough smarts to second-guess that plot right from the time he turned on the ignition. I suspect he holds the aces.
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Billy Graham's grand daughter.
From which this quote is withering.
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"I understand a lot of evangelicals supporting him because of his policies," she said. "I'd love to see a Christian leader come out and say that they support Trump for his policies, but that his behavior disgusts them, and he needs to clean up his act."
Wonder what Uncle Franklyn makes of that? Wonder what her granddad makes of Franklyn.
The evo right will rue the day they tied themselves to this man.
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Brenda Clough
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The unrepentant vileness of the current incumbent gives tacit permission for even more horrible people to crawl out of the woodwork. The bar is now really, really, low.
Less depressingly, someone on Twitter has offered a prize to the first journalist who asks Lyin' Don about American relations with Wakanda, and gets his reply on video. I have mislaid the link but will post it if I can refind it.
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
Less depressingly, someone on Twitter has offered a prize to the first journalist who asks Lyin' Don about American relations with Wakanda, and gets his reply on video.
Clever. That's the Kenyan province where the previous President was born, right?
Meanwhile, back on Earth, the dims are decrying an offer of amnesty to roughly thrice the DACA population as...wait for it...racist!
It's nearly February. Is this really their strategy?
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Oh yeah, and McCabe's out. 2 months before his announced retirement. Interesting times...
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Actually, Wakanda is fictional (Wikipedia).
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We can all go and see the new Black Panther movie and learn about it.
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We'll have to see what Trump has to say at the State of the Uniom (sic) speech tomorrow.
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Romanlion, I'm not sure of your religious views, but I wonder whether Trump's moral record has ever given you pause for thought?
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Originally posted by LutheranChik:
“ Dims,” really? What’s next — “ cucks”?
romanlion has been using 'dims' for ages. Also 'Barry' for Barack Obama, Illary for Hilary Clinton.
Expressing contempt in his posts seems to be a part of his libertarian outlook. I think he believes that liberalism is just another self-enclosing ideology, which may go some way towards explaining his more contemptuous posts.
I suppose he may find posting here amusing. Personally I think his pejorative labelling spoils the value of his posts. But that's up to him.
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Sounds as though 'The State Of The Union' could be summed up in just one word.
Shite.
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An Australian news report suggested that the State of the Union would be irrelevant, because Trump would be back off-message on Twitter tomorrow.
Colbert's writing team came up with a brilliant metaphor for the attempted firing of Mueller. It starts just after the Susan Collins clip at about the 2:00 min mark.
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
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Originally posted by LutheranChik:
“ Dims,” really? What’s next — “ cucks”?
romanlion has been using 'dims' for ages. Also 'Barry' for Barack Obama, Illary for Hilary Clinton.
Expressing contempt in his posts seems to be a part of his libertarian outlook. I think he believes that liberalism is just another self-enclosing ideology, which may go some way towards explaining his more contemptuous posts.
I suppose he may find posting here amusing. Personally I think his pejorative labelling spoils the value of his posts. But that's up to him.
Something for lonely people to do when they're shit-faced.
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[QUOTE] [/romanlion has been using 'dims' for ages. Also 'Barry' for Barack Obama, Illary for Hilary Clinton. QUOTE]
I guess I haven’t paid any attention to his posts before.
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Golden Key
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The SOTU address coverage should start in about 10 minutes.
The Washington Post has a page of info, and you can watch the speech there, too.
There's also supposed to be live fact-checking there. I don't think the link for *that* is working yet, though--just takes me back to the same page. (It's announced in the 12:36 pm update for today, on the page in my first paragraph.)
NOTE: I don't know if this will cost any clicks. I think maybe some of my security software blocks that, and I usually don't run into it.
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