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Hiro's Leap
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Just for the record, I made no argument about blood splatter.
Fair enough Alan - not sure what else to call it though.
And also just for the record, I wasn't calling you a moron in the slightest. I simply felt your preconceptions about Zimmerman made you uncritical of an argument you wouldn't touch normally.
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
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Originally posted by Twilight:
It really is odd that the Zimmerman/Martin case has sparked international outrage, while thousands of cases of gun violence barely make the news.
It happens all the time, the media focus on one story at the expense of others.
Scott Alexander has a theory on this. He argues that clear-cut examples of a cause (say, police brutality) flare up quickly in the news but are soon forgotten about because everyone agrees they were awful. When you have a more controversial example though, a load of opponents spring up to say "whoa, hang on!" and the story gets a much longer life.
Eric Garner was choked by police in New York. In many ways this was a much better poster child for police brutality than Michael Brown's death in Ferguson. But everyone agreed Garner's killing was awful and not everyone thought the same about Ferguson, so Garner was soon forgotten while Ferguson turned into a gigantic and highly memorable shitstorm.
The depressing upshot is that causes become known for their worse, most divisive examples.
Trayvon Martin's case was famous before it became controversial, perhaps due a perfect combination of cute photo, Skittles, racial fears, negligent police and apparently senseless killing. But the controversy doubtless helped keep it popular as time went on, and by the end it had very much become another front of the Culture War.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by mdijon:
Some black people are in the police force, some are prosecutors, judges, sheriffs.
Some of them do not trust the justice system because they know it from the inside. Some are in those positions because government has been a more realistic route to financial stability than the private sector.
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To say black people as a block don't trust authority is going to far.
I disagree, but it is nuanced.
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I think most people would agree that levels of trust are generally lower among black people and there are certain communities in particular areas where levels of trust are rock-bottom.
IME, black Americans have a lower trust in their justice system and with reason. I saw a report that began with the assertion of black Americans have more trust in the federal government than white people. Set my head a twirl. Then I read the whole thing and I think it does a better job of explaining the dynamics than I can.
The link.
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Soror Magna
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Originally posted by Twilight:
... Americans can't part with their beloved guns. They think the constitution is more holy than the word of God. Their daddies took them hunting when they were four and it's a great memory, they love their collection, they like rubbing the oil into the shaft, they think target practice is the most exciting thing ever, they belong to gun clubs when no other clubs would have them, they think it's a sport when they're too out of shape for real sports, they only feel safe with their guns, they only feel like men with their guns. And the result is innocent people and real children die every day.
Now that I totally agree with. But what the hell do we do about it? How do we convince these people that some people should not have penis toys? That maybe they themselves don't need a penis toy because the risks far outweigh the benefits?
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by orfeo:
You have all the time in the world to compose your thoughts and point out better options. He didn't.
He had plenty of time to avoid a conflict in the first place. To paraphrase Mr. Miyagi. The best way to avoid a confrontation which may lead to killing another human for no damn good reason, no be there.
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Trayvon Martin we can relate to, a kid walking home from the store with a pocket full of candy is someone we recognise. Most of us have been that kid walking from the store with a pocketful of candy.
And what did most of us do if we saw a man on the way home?
I am seriously sick of a narrative that equates Trayvon Martin with... some kind of sweet 8-year-old. It's completely fucking disingenuous.
It doesn't matter. He could have been Jack the Fucking Ripper possessing the Rock's body, he was doing nothing wrong. And had as much right as Zimmerman to be on those streets. Zimmerman created a situation of threat.
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Originally posted by Hiro's Leap:
Behold, Culture War.
That video is fucking brilliant.
It does a rather good job of helping me understand why Alan's sneering dislike of killing can be translated into being seen as a potentially society-crushing drive to override justice systems.
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Twilight
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Yeah. Brilliant. We have met the thought germs and they are us.
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Dave W.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
You have all the time in the world to compose your thoughts and point out better options. He didn't.
He had plenty of time to avoid a conflict in the first place. To paraphrase Mr. Miyagi. The best way to avoid a confrontation which may lead to killing another human for no damn good reason, no be there.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Trayvon Martin we can relate to, a kid walking home from the store with a pocket full of candy is someone we recognise. Most of us have been that kid walking from the store with a pocketful of candy.
And what did most of us do if we saw a man on the way home?
I am seriously sick of a narrative that equates Trayvon Martin with... some kind of sweet 8-year-old. It's completely fucking disingenuous.
It doesn't matter. He could have been Jack the Fucking Ripper possessing the Rock's body, he was doing nothing wrong. And had as much right as Zimmerman to be on those streets. Zimmerman created a situation of threat.
I agree. After all, Zimmerman wasn't surprised in his own home, nor did he inadvertently stumble across a crime in progress.
It's worth remembering the different reasons the two had for being out that night. Martin was returning home from a trip to the store; Zimmerman was patrolling the streets with his gun, on the lookout for troublemakers.
One of the two had had a lot of time to think about what might happen during a confrontation, and what his various options might be. He had, after all, been specifically advised many months before by the Sanford police department's coordinator for neighborhood watch groups:
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She then gave a PowerPoint presentation and distributed a handbook. As she always does, she emphasized what a neighborhood watch is — and what it is not.
In every presentation, “I go through what the rules and responsibilities are,” she said Thursday. The volunteers’ role, she said, is “being the eyes and ears” for the police, “not the vigilante.” Members of a neighborhood watch “are not supposed to confront anyone,” she said. “We get paid to get into harm’s way. You don’t do that. You just call them from the safety of your home or your vehicle.”
Using a gun in the neighborhood watch role would be out of the question, she said in an interview.
(NYTimes article)
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Golden Key
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Re American gun mythology:
The wonderful "To The Best Of Our Knowledge" radio show has an episode called "The Gun" this week. I'm listening to it right now.
Here's the blurb, from their site.
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Guns are a part of our national mythology. Just consider the Western, Annie Oakley, Daniel Boone -- it's hard to deny the role guns had in shaping America.
But what if all those stories were exaggerated at best? What if the gun myth was created in the 19th century by gun manufacturers? In other words, what if guns aren’t what we stand for, but instead, are just another thing we were sold.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Re American gun mythology:
The wonderful "To The Best Of Our Knowledge" radio show has an episode called "The Gun" this week. I'm listening to it right now.
Here's the blurb, from their site.
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Guns are a part of our national mythology. Just consider the Western, Annie Oakley, Daniel Boone -- it's hard to deny the role guns had in shaping America.
But what if all those stories were exaggerated at best? What if the gun myth was created in the 19th century by gun manufacturers? In other words, what if guns aren’t what we stand for, but instead, are just another thing we were sold.
It is very well established that they were exaggerated. Dime novels, newspapers and theatrical performance presented a sensationalised, highly fictional account of American expansion. I would be interested to hear what role the manufacturers played.
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[clings to his digital collection of Have Gun, Will Travel]
I can't hear you. La la la la la.
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
To paraphrase Mr. Miyagi. The best way to avoid a confrontation which may lead to killing another human for no damn good reason, no be there.
Or Joshua, the computer, in "War Games":
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Strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
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There is at least one story on the local news every morning of someone getting shot the night before. This morning there were three -- in addition to the Florida incident. I am sure there are equal numbers of similar stories in every jurisdiction.
The news media would be doing the country a great service if, instead of repeating boring stories about Trump, Trump, Trump, they would broadcast a non-stop roundup of the latest gun violence incidents throughout the country. It just might wake some legislators up finally.
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It's now 50. God DAMN America.
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50 and the media are saying the perpetrator is of Afghan descent, and the incident is being treated as terrorism.
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Je suis Pulse.
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Kelly Alves
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Yeah.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Je suis Pulse.
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Ariston
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“We’re dealing with something we never imagined and is unimaginable,” Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer (D) said during a news briefing Sunday.
Unimaginable? Really? After all the bodies, all the mourning, all the other times where This Exact Gorram Thing Happened before, we still can't imagine it happening again?
No, I guess not. At this point, we probably expect it.
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An officer working at the club exchanged fire with the gunman, authorities said. It was then, according to police, that the incident developed into “a hostage situation.”
A good guy with a gun didn't stop the bad guy with a gun.
(ETA: Quotes are from the main WaPo story, which has a tendency to be updated, rearranged, and changed as things develop.)
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Baptist Trainfan
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Obama will make a statement in about 20 minutes (17.30 English time).
The perpetrator had an "Arabic" name but seems to have been a US citizen ... are we talking radicalisation as much as gun crime? We'll have to see.
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Originally posted by Ariel:
50 and the media are saying the perpetrator is of Afghan descent, and the incident is being treated as terrorism.
If it gets labelled "terrorism" then it's not related to domestic policy, and so gun control is not part of the problem.
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Brenda Clough
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Fox news has already broadcasted, blaming Obama for the entire tragedy. And one of those adorable legislators in Texas has announced that it's all the victims' own fault, for being in a gay nightclub on a Saturday night.
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Ariel
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
If it gets labelled "terrorism" then it's not related to domestic policy, and so gun control is not part of the problem.
Precisely.
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Martin60:
It's now 50. God DAMN America.
Damning extreme gun culture, hatred to the point of violence*, whatever drives people to identify with shooters and violent groups, lack of mental health care, and the turbulence of gun regulations (regulate, dismantle, over and over) might be better.
*NPR mentioned that the shooter's father said he was strongly anti-gay.
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Kelly Alves
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Yeah, terrorism, my ass. A private citizen decided he didn't like what two other private citizens were doing, so he got a readily available weapon and started eliminating people he didn't like.
And while I understand the young man's father's need to affirm that " religion has nothing to do with it," given how quicky people wanted to decide Middle Eastern = Radical jihadist, the fact that that scum sucking Texas lawmaker used a Bible verse to celebrate the massacre means religion is involved. Saying anything further would be a Dead Horse,I suppose.
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Kelly wrote:
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the fact that that scum sucking Texas lawmaker used a Bible verse to celebrate the massacre means religion is involved
Could you provide a link? Not that I doubt you at all, I'm just curious to read about this, and google hasn't been very helpful.
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Brenda Clough
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Here's the link, just in case you didn't believe a politician could be so stupid.
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Orlando. I'm glad I haven't had breakfast, because I would have vomited all over my laptop. Words fail.
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RuthW
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Hate-mongers must be so confused. A guy kills 50 people at a gay club in the name of radical Islam ... who do they cheer for?
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Kelly Alves
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His people are saying that the tweet was prescheduled ( how does that work? An app?) and he will delete it. Ok, fine.
Guess he had a reputation that made it easy to believe this was a shot. I believe it was a coincidence. but at the same time I wonder why he did't take the tweet down immediately, instead of just saying he'd get to it.
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Originally posted by Soror Magna:
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Orlando. I'm glad I haven't had breakfast, because I would have vomited all over my laptop. Words fail.
Same reaction. Right in the stomach. ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
His people are saying that the tweet was prescheduled ( how does that work? An app?) and he will delete it. Ok, fine.
Guess he had a reputation that made it easy to believe this was a shot. I believe it was a coincidence. but at the same time I wonder why he did't take the tweet down immediately, instead of just saying he'd get to it.
It's kinda hard to imagine why he would send out that particular bible quote, if not as a response to a particular event. That one is almost always quoted to either warn that someone is going to be punished by God, or to celebrate the fact that someone has supposedly been punished by God. It's not really a generic, one-size-fits-all sorta line, like "God is love".
Oh, and thanks for the link Brenda.
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Yeah, there goes n my benefit of the doubt. You're right, that is not exactly a typical inspirational quote.
And AFAIK it still hasn't been taken down. That doesn't really signal concern about a faux pas.
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Golden Key
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And the one he followed up with emphasizes that God is the salvation of the *righteous*, and God will comfort them.
If he meant the first one as a commentary on being gay, then he probably didn't suddenly decided they were righteous.
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I don't want to go to the Fox site and look, but I'm curious... what are their grounds for saying it's Obama's fault?
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Yeah, terrorism, my ass. A private citizen decided he didn't like what two other private citizens were doing, so he got a readily available weapon and started eliminating people he didn't like.
As with these situations there are all sorts of statements flying around.
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And it looks like a potential attack on today's Los Angeles Pride parade has been quashed. Police reportedly said that they don't know if there's a connection with Orlando.
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Originally posted by Nicolemr:
I don't want to go to the Fox site and look, but I'm curious... what are their grounds for saying it's Obama's fault?
1. Thanks to BC for sparing us the link to Faux.
2. Basically, Obama has taught us to not automatically suspect Muslims/immigrants/etc. Because of PC Run Amok, we're less vigilant...and so this happens. QED, Thanks Obummer!
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Thanks.
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Interview with his ex-wife.
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“He was not a stable person,” said the ex-wife, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because she feared for her safety in the wake of the mass shooting. “He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn’t finished or something like that.”
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“He seemed like a normal human being,” she said, adding that he wasn’t very religious and worked out at the gym often. She said in the few months they were married he gave no signs of having fallen under the sway of radical Islam.
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Brenda Clough
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And Pat Robertson is always reliable. How the man call call himself a follower of Christ is a mystery to me. Any time someone wants to throw mud at the church, he's the one they throw.
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mousethief
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I started a thread in All Saints to commemorate the dead at Pulse and pray for their souls and for the living -- the other wounded, and all the families and loved ones.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
And Pat Robertson is always reliable. How the man call call himself a follower of Christ is a mystery to me. Any time someone wants to throw mud at the church, he's the one they throw.
You do know this is a satire site, right?
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Originally posted by Hiro's Leap:
Interview with his ex-wife.
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“He was not a stable person,” said the ex-wife, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because she feared for her safety in the wake of the mass shooting. “He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn’t finished or something like that.”
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“He seemed like a normal human being,” she said, adding that he wasn’t very religious and worked out at the gym often. She said in the few months they were married he gave no signs of having fallen under the sway of radical Islam.
How can his ex-wife be anonymous? How many ex-wives does he have?
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Originally posted by RuthW:
Hate-mongers must be so confused. A guy kills 50 people at a gay club in the name of radical Islam ... who do they cheer for?
The guns.
They will and already are focusing on the guns.
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by mousethief:
How can his ex-wife be anonymous? How many ex-wives does he have?
She might have changed her last name (either remarrying or going back to her maiden name) and moved to a new location where she (understandably) wouldn't want to be known as his ex-wife. She may even have changed name/location after the divorce to get away from her abuser.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
How can his ex-wife be anonymous? How many ex-wives does he have?
She might have changed her last name (either remarrying or going back to her maiden name) and moved to a new location where she (understandably) wouldn't want to be known as his ex-wife. She may even have changed name/location after the divorce to get away from her abuser.
Fair enough.
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