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Palimpsest
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I hope it's the first of several good announcements here. Keep plugging at it.
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Congratulations Palimpsest - good to hear you've done so well.

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I have decided that I do know what I want to do; I want to be a freelance proofreader. I would prefer to have a bit of capital behind me for starting up but I am where I am.

So, a couple of questions for UK shipmates: does anyone have experience of New Enterprise Allowance? Specifically, if one has a loan, how closely do they monitor what you spend the money on?

I would really like advice on the pros and cons of setting up a new business as opposed to MrP's IT consultancy gaining a proofreading division and me becoming his employee but I have no idea where to go for impartial advice on this. Any ideas?

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Last summer I applied for a job advertised through an agency, which had a similar job title to my current job but wasn't quite the same, and which I applied to purely for the £10K pay boost. I never heard back from them, but on Monday I got a call from a recruitment agent saying he'd found my CV and would I be interested in a role they had available. I now have a job interview next week...

I'm not sure that the job is one I'd have applied for myself, although it does sound interesting - the skill set is similar to mine, whilst not identical. But my current job is sapping my will to live, and has been for a good couple of years. I go into the building filled with good intentions of achieving things and the gloom descends and I just can't do it. The opportunity of something completely different, which came to me rather than the desperate filling in of application forms, seems too good to be true.

Also, now I need to work out what on earth to wear to a job interview at an architectural firm!

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Make sure you have a solid foundation. [Biased]
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quote:
Originally posted by Scots lass:
... I need to work out what on earth to wear to a job interview at an architectural firm!

Frivolous Piglet would say hard hat, high-vis. jacket and steel-toed boots. [Devil]

Sensible Piglet, on the other hand, would say something smart but comfortable and somewhat understated. Black trouser-suit or similar.

Good luck - I bet it'll be an interesting job! [Yipee]

PS It probably wouldn't hurt to arrive in a Saab ... [Big Grin]

[ 16. April 2015, 15:29: Message edited by: Piglet ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Piglet:
quote:
Originally posted by Scots lass:
... I need to work out what on earth to wear to a job interview at an architectural firm!

Frivolous Piglet would say hard hat, high-vis. jacket and steel-toed boots. [Devil]

Sensible Piglet, on the other hand, would say something smart but comfortable and somewhat understated. Black trouser-suit or similar.

Good luck - I bet it'll be an interesting job! [Yipee]

PS It probably wouldn't hurt to arrive in a Saab ... [Big Grin]

Ah, someone else who saw that edition of Top Gear! My brother drove Saabs for years (but he wasn't an architect).

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:
Originally posted by Piglet:
... It probably wouldn't hurt to arrive in a Saab ... [Big Grin]

Ah, someone else who saw that edition of Top Gear!
My cover's been blown ... [Killing me]

TG is repeated on BBC Canada more often than it is on Dave, so I've probably seen it several times. [Hot and Hormonal]

[ 17. April 2015, 02:02: Message edited by: Piglet ]

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Good luck, Scots lass!

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quote:
Originally posted by Scots lass:
Also, now I need to work out what on earth to wear to a job interview at an architectural firm!

Something smart but comfortable that you already own.
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Distrust any enterprise that requires new clothes

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If you were male, I would suggest wearing a tie printed with elegant impressions of buildings by Mies van der Rohe, Frank Lloyd Wright or Norman Foster.
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quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
If you were male, I would suggest wearing a tie printed with elegant impressions of buildings by Mies van der Rohe, Frank Lloyd Wright or Norman Foster.

I do own a dress with buildings printed on it, but it's a 50s style halterneck so it's not really appropriate...
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Surely it would be OK with a well fitted jacket in a sympathetic colour ?

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Maybe this ?

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quote:
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If you were male, I would suggest wearing a tie printed with elegant impressions of buildings by Mies van der Rohe, Frank Lloyd Wright or Norman Foster.

But as you're not, have you any jewellery inspired by either Lloyd Wright or (being Scottish) Charles Rennie Mackintosh?

[Smile]

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Have a look at their website - there's usually a picture of them all gathered around a computer/drawing board/table football machine (depending on the age of the directors). I tend to be wary of those where they have matching black polo necks or collarless Italian shirts.

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Just avoiding the doom of broom...

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Well, I've just taken my first trip of the day to the hospital* to discuss retraining with some people in the know. I have to say that Clinical Biochemistry is not looking like a good idea at the mo as it appears to mostly involve feeding machines, but I have a further trip in a couple of weeks time to discuss with someone involved in the training process, plus the current trainees, so we shall see. I've also contacted someone in another field, hopefully I'll hear back once they are in work next week.

Not sure that anything is happening yet, but at least I have something I can DO about it.

AG

*No, I'm not that unhealthy, I'm giving blood at 4.30!

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Nothing much changes for me. Still want new job, still want it nearer home (15 miles is the current commute, takes an hour on the bike, and having two cars is not a lifestyle choice I'd be comfortable with)

Difficult sod, me.

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If it's any help, Karl, I feel better for knowing I'm not the only DS about! [Devil]

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4 years off work.....tentative steps back via an agency.....then this week just had a firm declaration of interest in me.

Days and hours agreeable to me + a blissful one hour tram commute each way.

It feels like heaven: just may say yes
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Go for it, EA, and best of luck! [Smile]

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So I'm not sure if this is the thread for what I'm posting, but here goes . . .

I have been working for lo these many years with a NFP agency which assists people with significant disabilities, toward which end I acquired a graduate degree in human services (IOW, a good-for-damn-little degree).

Some time back, I spent a couple of semesters teaching part-time at a community college for extra money.

A little less time back, I was attacked at work by a client (not one of mine), suffered some fairly severe injuries, spent a long, bumpy recovery, and so on. But I'm finding myself less engaged in my work than I used to be. And budget cuts, always a looming nightmare in my field, loom again.

Between the scars, the trauma, and the prospect of cutting staff hours or firing long-term employees, taking a paycut myself, and/or facing possible job loss for perhaps the sixth time in the last six years, I am considering jumping ship.

I'm thinking of going back to that community college and taking on adjunct teaching in hope of eventually landing a position in the only department where my degree would be of any use.

Any advice?

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Sandemaniac
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I'd see if you can find anyone who has done that to see how they've got on, and what pitfalls they met - it sounds as though you have to leave whatever, but I'd try to get a bit of info before you jump.

Ethne Alba... well, I'm jealous for one. Have a green grin! [Big Grin]

AG

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Advice--1) I wouldn't lose the day job in favor of college teaching unless I had a firm full-time offer (e.g. not adjunct). There are tons of people (like me) working as adjuncts for peanuts, and most of us will never see a fulltime position. So make sure you have sufficient income somehow before pinning all your hopes to that. You'll doubtless know already how much an adjunct makes at the school you're thinking of.

That said, you can network like crazy and especially if you're mobile, you might find a fulltime position with that degree (unlike me, with common-as-dirt English). I'm sorry to be so negative--it's just that I had hopes this way too some years ago, before I realized...

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Ethne Alba
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Thanks all; it's been a while.....
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Advice needed - last month I saw a museum job advertised which sounded ideal; it involved creating displays, handling artefacts, helping members of the public interpret exhibitions etc. The pay was low, but my commuting costs would have been negligible, which was a big plus. However, when it came to the qualifications required, it wasn't even a graduate position; from the qualifications required it seemed to be a receptionist position.

I've just seen another part-time job, which again sounds perfect from the job description. Much better pay, but an expensive and lengthy commute. But again, it's not a graduate post, so clearly what I'm reading into the job description and what the job actually is, are two different things. I'm not going to apply.

Is there any point in applying for a non-graduate post when I have a PhD? Would it give me a toe-hold into e.g. graduate museum work?

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Yes, it would get you some experience.
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Sandemaniac
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I have got the impression that having done almost anything beforehand in a museum is helpful, possibly demonstrating your commitment to the sector(ugh - bizspeak!)? - can you afford to do it?

Meanwhile, I'm talking to people about NHS and associated roles. I have to say that thus far it's not looking very hopeful - it's all looking like at least a couple of years on 2/3rds of my current salary (in terms of seniority, the equivalent of where I started in the university in 1999) just to get started. And, if I'm really lucky, after a couple of years I might get promoted towards something more management-related - whoopeedoopoo!. Or there's some roles coming up in Milton Keynes "only an hour's drive away" (petrol costs on top of the pay cut).

Should've bought a house ten years ago... Should have worked put what I wanted to do twenty years ago. It's gut-wrenchingly frustrating, I know plenty I don't want to do, but not what I do.

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Since I posted this:
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Since submitting my thesis, I've had several requests to do voluntary interesting stuff. A couple of these have come with the comment "this will look good on your CV."

Nobody has offered to pay me to do paid interesting stuff.

nothing much has changed. Since then, things that I've done for free include blog posts, articles, talks to school children, one public lecture, historical tour guiding, two radio programmes, one interview for a broadsheet, chairing committee meetings, chairing conference panels, delivering a conference paper, organising a study day, admining a website, jointly adminning a FB page, ... I'm sure there's more.

I'm doing academic book reviews in return for free books, which is nice, though pay would be nicer.

I'm invigilating this week, which is at least paid.

Originally posted by Caissa:
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Yes, it would get you some experience.
I don't think I lack "experience" I'm also concerned that paid work as e.g. a museum receptionist would reduce the amount of potentially helpful stuff I'm doing for free.

Would it be worth it on the basis that it's easier to get a job when you've got a job?

If I was being paid for what I'm currently doing, my life would be perfect! I love what I do! I just want to be in proper paid employment.

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It is easier to get work when you have work. Being granted an interview and offered a job does not mean one has to accept the offer. The interview process often gleans a better idea of the true nature of the position.
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quote:
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It is easier to get work when you have work ...

That's very true; apart from anything else, it means that you can offer a current employer as a referee for anything you're applying for in the future.

As someone who's on the "receptionist" end of the qualification and employment spectrum, there's part of me that thinks, "what chance is there for someone like me if people with PhDs are applying for clerical jobs?", but if you really think you'd enjoy the work and can live with the salary, there's no reason you shouldn't go for it.

Obviously, if I lived in NEQshire and were applying for the same post, I'd be quite justified in wishing a plague upon you ... [Devil]

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Sandemaniac
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Indeed. There was never any danger of me working for the arsehole who turned abusive mid-interview.

As for being easier to find work when you are in work... dear gods, if I ever lose my job I will just cut my wrists, it will be so much quicker, easier, and considerably less painful!

I have to say, NEQ, that it sounds as though you have plenty of stuff to be able to say "I've done all this, look at my commitment". It's just (?) a question of waiting for the right job to apply for.

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Technically, I have jobs at the moment. But my main job title is attached to an unpaid position, and the rest are all ad-hoc (such as this week's invigilating.)
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Piglet, you have little to fear from PhDs applying for receptionist jobs; they won't even consider us. As in, "won't give you an interview." I don't know if the reasoning is that a PhD will soon be off to greener pastures (as if there were any) or if it's the more negative "s/he must be seriously deficient in some way not to have found work in his/her proper field already," but whatever it is, employers won't give us the time of day once they spot the degree.

Except for the vanishingly rare employer who has a megalomaniacal entitlement attitude, which in my experience means nonprofits.

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...and the next thing to try is a Medical Technical Officer in the transplant unit (which, while the extras look erm hairy (on call, potential need to travel by road air or sea, and for not a great deal of dosh (it's that M word again), looks interesting, real (as opposed to paper-generating, and worthwhile. We shall see tomorrow when I visit...

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This year's drought has been broken by a 6 week contract doing some project management and herding cats in the state office of my denomination.

Today I have an interview for a real job. It's a preliminary with the Head of HR rather than a hiring manager, but it's a good sign.

mr curly

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quote:
Originally posted by Caissa:
It is easier to get work when you have work. Being granted an interview and offered a job does not mean one has to accept the offer. The interview process often gleans a better idea of the true nature of the position.

I always tell folks here going for interview here that they are interviewing the potential employer as well to see if they are worth working for.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
... the reasoning is that a PhD will soon be off to greener pastures ...

Fair point, LC. Part of the reason my boss wanted me rather than a post-grad student was (a) I don't think that photocopying and getting the tea are beneath me; and (b) the student would get their MSc/PhD and then bugger off.

Sandemaniac and Mr. Curly, best of luck! [Smile]

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Hmmm. Stay where I am with no prospects of progression (or of survival of sanity) or take a post that will take 25% off my salary (again...), with very limited prospects of progression.

Joy.

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Interview was OK but I didn't get the vibe that it would lead to anything. That in the middle of another day of observing large scale stupidity on my current project, and it wasn't a good day.

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Well, I have just been told that the 2ii I got twenty two years ago is likely to be a big disadvantage if I apply to train into the NHS.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST ON A FUCKING BICYCLE WEPT!

Thank God for the allotment is all I can say.

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2ii?
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Second class honours degree - 2:2 degree (or a Desmond), Degrees here come as 1st, 2:1, 2:2, 3rd, (that lot can all be honours degrees), pass and fail.

These days a lot of post graduate occupations demand a 1st or 2:1 - including teacher training, except for science or maths, which will take 2:2s.

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It's the utter ignorance of everything I have learnt and done in the intervening 22 years - more than half my life, and my entire career thus far, I should point out - that I find so depressing.

Maybe I should just fuck trying to care about what I do, fuck trying to care about people, fuck trying to do anything useful to humanity, and just grow cabbages instead? Tonight's was a cracker, first spring cabbage of the year, and at least as satisfying as 95% of what I've done over the last 22 years.

Gonna need a bigger allotment...

AG

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I was told if you had a 2ii and wanted to get into postgrad training you could compete with those with a 2i or 1st by doing an MSc.

You can do cross credit stuff with the OU, which will sometimes credit relevant experience.

[ 13. May 2015, 21:09: Message edited by: Doublethink. ]

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Sorry, misinformation, googled - OU won't credit studies over 16 yrs ago anyway (and only what looks like credit from modules from partially completed courses).

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Sandemaniac, I can't even begin to imagine the frustration of this. Although I am deeply envious of your allotment success.

Strange turns are emerging for me.... my plan has been to have the summer off and look for part time freelance IT work over the winter. But on Monday I was invited to look at an admin/reception post at a nearby care home that is opening later this summer - it looks like I would be a good fit for it, and it could be part time. It's not what I had planned, but it would be so good from so many angles - one is that I could walk to work for the first time ever, another is that it should be far less stressful than what I would otherwise be looking for, they don't expect anyone to start until the autumn, and it would still give me time for the allotment! I've already lined up a meeting with the manager on Saturday at their recruitment fair to discuss this role and also having a Messy Church there. Interesting times.

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These days a 2:1 (2i) won't necessarily cut it for research without additional relevant experience. (My daughter has a 2:1 MEng and couldn't get funding for a PhD until after she'd worked in industry for a few years.)

The SLT* role I am currently doing by default, alongside the tutor and exams officer roles, has been advertised as a full time job at a good £15k above what I'm getting, which was pretty much what I expected. I am under pressure to stay on should this role be filled, although that doesn't sound that likely at the moment; apparently only 2 people have been shortlisted. Any advice on ways of removing the "mug" or "masochist" stamped on my forehead?

There really are moments when I have the thought of "above my pay scale" running through my head, as when I drew the short straw of leading the staff morning briefing (again) yesterday following an incident the day before. Then had go through it again with the volatile students when the new procedures had to be enforced. Which meant a lot of abuse from one of the students before I went off to deal with my own. (The ones I pre-emptively dealt with were more amused than annoyed, thank goodness.)

Fortunately the tutors were grateful, and even more so when I came back clutching pastries. But I missed Guides last night round dealing with that lot and the report that needed rewriting for the meeting today. (The quality assurance bit of my role that I so didn't want.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
These days a 2:1 (2i) won't necessarily cut it for research without additional relevant experience. (My daughter has a 2:1 MEng and couldn't get funding for a PhD until after she'd worked in industry for a few years.)

Obviously eighteen of them just doesn't cut it.

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