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Sarasa
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Good luck Sandemaniac with the interview, and with the decisions about your current job. If it was me I think I'd take the money and run, but then I'm not trying to buy a house at the same time.
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Sandemaniac
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If I thought there was a decent likelihood of me getting another job fast I'd have been off like a shot. Unfortunately I don't (one of yesterday's applications has already come back with a no!) - no-one is interested in senior technical staff, they either get a post-doc cheaply on the glutted market or a new graduate.
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Og, King of Bashan
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I'm currently employed at a small firm, but have been sending resumes out for government jobs. I applied for a job a month or two ago, and shortly after I sent in my application, we received an e-mail stating that everyone would be considered for one of two openings.
Two weeks ago, I got rejection letter number one. Fine, it was kind of a reach anyway.
Last night, I got rejection letter number two. No kidding, it was a photo copy of rejection letter one, with the date crossed out and a new date written in by hand.
What would it have taken to change the date? Two minutes?
Pretty rich coming from someone who wanted a detail-oriented attorney. If he pulled that on a cover letter and I was the hiring attorney, his resume would have landed in the trash. ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
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Sarasa
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Hmm Og, sounds rather familiar. My son got a rejection email the other day saying that he hadn't been succesful at a recent interview he attended. Not surprsing as he phoned them several days before hand to say we wouldn't be there as he'd been offered another post.
Hope something better comes alog soon if you want it.
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Originally posted by daisydaisy:
I am investigating doing a 4 week intensive Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages (TESOL, related to TEFL) in the hope that this will lead to a source of flexible employment (and quickly pay for the course)
Good luck with your TEFL course. Are you thinking of going elsewhere to teach? The best-paid jobs aren't in the UK, at least until you get some solid experience, and probably further qualifications.
I've taught EFL before, and I'm planning return to that line of work shortly. I need to update myself (and become a more competitive applicant) with a course like yours, though I'm not looking forward to the expense. I'll probably do mine abroad.
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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
Good luck with your TEFL course. Are you thinking of going elsewhere to teach? The best-paid jobs aren't in the UK, at least until you get some solid experience, and probably further qualifications.
I've taught EFL before, and I'm planning return to that line of work shortly. I need to update myself (and become a more competitive applicant) with a course like yours, though I'm not looking forward to the expense. I'll probably do mine abroad.
Thanks - I don't plan teaching overseas, although maybe one day.... meanwhile I live within a shortish drive of 5 cities which each have language schools, and I'm planning on eventually teaching English For Business (I guess this is further qualifications - the school were not forthcoming with information at the interview). In the short term I anticipate teaching refugees locally (I understand that locally there is a shortage of teachers available) which, as well as being a Good Thing, will give me some experience teaching while I wait for work to come from the language schools.
I looked at doing the course overseas, but the cost would then include accommodation and travel, so it is far more cost effective to do it close to home, and given the intensive nature of the course I don't think I'd get much chance for sight-seeing if I was away from home.
Hope your plans go well.
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SvitlanaV2
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Ah, I see.
There's a need for ESOL tutors in my region, but not exactly a large one, all things considered. I think the funding's been cut to some extent.
I do think I'd save more money if I went to South East Asia to work, and if I did my course there I'd be better placed to find a decent job.
There's also the urge to escape from Blighty!
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I forgot to add that teaching refugees will be voluntary, as there is no funding. On the plus side it'll give me valuable experience. Leaving Blighty for more than a week or so isn't an option at the moment.
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SvitlanaV2
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No - I'm not saying that you should leave Blighty, I'm saying that that's what I need to do!
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Sandemaniac
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Well, interview and lab test over... Not helped by being fifteen minutes late, took me the best part of two hours to do a journey I can do in 45 on my bike. Perhaps I should say sod it next time, and just cycle in the suit? Not easy by bus either, with at least two changes and a walk between in pissing rain. Hopefully the fact that they work to a checklist will be in my favour, though I'm fucked if someone else has done something similar before. All the preparation seemed worth it, anyway. We shall see... last time I had an interview with this lot it took ten weeks to hear back, but I'm now in the same building so they won't get away with it again!
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My sympathies, Sandemaniac. I once went for a job interview when I took a wrong turn and got lost in the building; it was only in conversation with one of the other waiting candidates that I realised we weren't talking about the same job ... ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
I made it to the interview - just - but by then I was in such a state of perspiring panic that I couldn't really do myself justice.
![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif) that they see sense and offer you the job. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Sarasa
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Hope you're succesful Sandemaniac, and that you hear one way or the other soon. I hate the waiting!
Anything else in the pipeline?
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Sioni Sais
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I hope it works out Sandemaniac.
On the subject of turning up at the wrong venue, I heard of a former colleague who went to Russell Square, London instead of Russell House, Three Bridges nr Crawley.
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Sandemaniac
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FFS! No decision has been made yet. Really? You have five, maybe six candidates, and you cannot decide inn this time?
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Sandemaniac
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...and a new classic from Glassdoor.
"Hopitality" Executive!
Presumably being a unidexter would be more of an advantage for this role than that of Tarzan?
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LinkedIn e-mailed me today with the suggestion I might like to apply for a post as a hydraulics design engineer, or a structural design engineer.
Alternatively, I might like to spend £60 per day commuting 150 miles each way to work as a volunteer recruitment co-ordinator.
We used to have a plastic bath toy which involved turning taps on and off to make wheels go round. Great fun. Do you think that's enough experience to apply for the hydraulics post?
I hope you hear soon, Sandemaniac, and that no news so far is good news.
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Ophicleide16
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Sorry I don't post much- mainly lurk and read, but I feel the need to let off some steam.
I'm 24, good education, some academic publishing to my name and some high profile church music. But I can't find a fucking job- the best I've done the last few years is scratch around trying to find whatever I could, which mainly was charity work and poorly paid music.
I don't think I deserve this- I wrote a brilliant CV, but I don't even get replies for cleaning jobs. I don't know what's going wrong or why there seems to be such a stretch of bad luck, just that it's killing me and turning me into a wreck ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Sandemaniac
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Are you submitting the brilliant CV for everything? If so that might be why you are not getting anywhere with shit jobs - why employ someone with a CV this good when they'll just bog off the moment something else comes along? Never mind that the something else isn't coming along, that's how they seem to think.
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I agree with Sandemaniac. Companies seem to want people they think are going to stick even if they do dole out short-term contracts and finish them at the drop of a hat. My son had several contracts like that and then had other companies turning him down on the grounds they didn't think he'd stay. He has found something permanent at last but it took a good while.
Maybe sit down and think what do you really want to do and how will you get there, and then apply for jobs that might make it happen, even if they are at lower level than you'd like. Is it worth thinking of going and doing a masters or some other training? Meanwhile how about schools, they always seem desperate for bright young people as Learning support assistants and cover supervisors.
Hang on in there - I know it's vile having been through it with my son over the last few years.
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Two suggestions, Ophiicleide16 - if you haven't already done so, have your CV checked by a recruitment agent who specialises in the area of employment you're most interested in, if there is one. It may not be as brilliant as you think, from an employer's point of view. And also consider "horses for courses" CVs. Adapt your CV to the specific job you're applying for. It doesn't need to be a complete rewrite each time, but emphasise the parts that will particularly attract the attention of the hiring manager for the role.
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I'm inclined to agree, Ophicleide - you're way too well-qualified for some of the jobs you're going for (but hats off to you for going for them anyway).
I know it's a bit of a cliché for musicians, but is teaching an option, and if so, would you be geographically mobile?
Sometimes you can get your foot on the employment ladder by going somewhere you might not have thought of; D. and I met when he moved to Orkney to take up a post teaching music.
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The reason why companies want individuals who will stick around is because recruitment is costly and time consuming. Always, always, always target your CV to the specific job. It is another form of writing in which you are trying to persuade your audience. In this case, you are attempting to persuade your audience to give you an interview.
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Originally posted by Caissa:
The reason why companies want individuals who will stick around is because recruitment is costly and time consuming. Always, always, always target your CV to the specific job. It is another form of writing in which you are trying to persuade your audience. In this case, you are attempting to persuade your audience to give you an interview.
Indeed, but it's a bit galling when you're applying for a temporary position with no guaranteed hours to nevertheless be expected to demonstrate long term commitment when there's absolutely bugger all commitment in the other direction.
Personally if I had an application for a chip shovelling job in McDonalds from someone who put "don't really want this job in particular but need something to pay the bills" I'd probably give them the job on the grounds that they've demonstrated they don't bullshit.
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Sandemaniac
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Didn't get the job. I have come to the realisation that the stress is making me quite ill, so I am just going to take the severance and fuck 'em. Hopefully a friend can get me something with his company - a desk job, which I'm not looking forward to, but a way into a small biotech.
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Originally posted by Sandemaniac:
Didn't get the job. I have come to the realisation that the stress is making me quite ill, so I am just going to take the severance and fuck 'em. Hopefully a friend can get me something with his company - a desk job, which I'm not looking forward to, but a way into a small biotech.
AG
So sorry you didn't get the job, and I hope you soon feel improvements all round following your decision
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Sorry to hear that, Sandemaniac, and hope the biotech job works out (and reduces the stress levels).
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That's a shame, Pandemoniac. I hope the relief from the stress helps you feel better and that this friend may have a job which is a good fit for you.
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Sarasa
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Sandemaniac - I think that is a very sensible decision. I think a bit of distance from your current job will be a good thing.I hope you find job you really want, and although a desk job might not be it, it will add new skills to your CV.
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Welease Woderwick
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I'm sad, too, but think the decision to take the money rather than opening the box is probably a good one.
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Sandemaniac
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Originally posted by Lothlorien:
That's a shame, Pandemoniac.
Oh dear, do I make that much noise? Errr... probably, yes. Eek!
I have to say that I've been a lot calmer since I made the call - the end is in sight, thank God.
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Lothlorien
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Sandemaniac,
My apologies for that typo which gave many of you a laugh, I guess. I am fussy about names and do not like getting them wrong.
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Sandemaniac
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Nothing to apologise for, Lothlorien, it gave me a good laugh (in fact, I might find another board to use it on!)
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Originally posted by Sandemaniac:
Didn't get the job. I have come to the realisation that the stress is making me quite ill, so I am just going to take the severance and fuck 'em. Hopefully a friend can get me something with his company - a desk job, which I'm not looking forward to, but a way into a small biotech.
AG
That's a very strong decision and powerful - all credit to you. I took similar at the beginning of the year when things were bad at work, I was offered severance or redunancy. I fought against redundancy for a while but eventually capitulated. It was such the right thing to do. My new job comes with a ton of problems which are leading me to job hunt again but how I was treated at my last job - no-one has the right to treat me like that.
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Nothing to apologise for, Lothlorien, it gave me a good laugh (in fact, I might find another board to use it on!)
Next name change amnesty? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Sandemaniac
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I swear the whole situation is taking the piss out of me - I now have an invite to an interview on a day I'm sure I told them I couldn't make...
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I have seen a part-time job advertised which isn't the ideal job, but it is in the ideal location. Working part-time, and then writing up the book of the thesis in the nearby University library would dovetail perfectly to create a full time working week. It would be an ideal combination of actually earning some money, whilst not giving up my academic ambitions.
I am way over-qualified, but would like this job.
The North East Man has suggested I tailor my CV by missing out my PhD, my M.Litt and one of my undergrad degrees.
Is this even feasible? What if I got an interview and was asked what I've done with my life in the last five years? If I miss out my PhD and related academic stuff, the last five years are pretty empty.
Also, if you include my middle name, or even my middle initial, a quick google throws up my PhD, conference papers, a couple of academic guest blogs, and publications. Should I miss out my middle name, too?
Suggestions?
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Is the job in a University NEQ? (No need to answer!). In which case, the phenomenon of PhDs applying for jobs 'beneath' their skill sets is not unusual... and your circumstances are explainable...
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No, it's not, Ferijen. But it's close enough geographically that I could go straight from the job to the University library.
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NEQ, Are you known exclusively by the same surname? Would it be possible to use the North East Man's surname if you are less well known academically by that (or, conversely, by your maiden name if you use his name more).
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Explain this to them, it then is clear that you are not just waiting for a PhD job to come up but are aiming in a different direction.
In work we have a receptionist who works three days a week, she is a graduate and it is way below her skill level but she persuaded us that she was keen to do the job partly because she wants time to do art. She is a fine art graduate.
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North East Quine
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I use my married name all the time. I kept my maiden name as a middle name. I sometimes use the whole thing (North East Quine), mostly use just the middle initial (North E. Quine). If I want a non-gendered name (e.g. signing a public petition in the Post Office) I use N. East Quine.
If I google the whole thing (North East Quine) there's only me. If I google North E. Quine it's mostly me. There don't seem to be any other "N.East Quines" (not even me!) But there are dozens of North Quines.
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I think Jengie's probably right - there's little point in disguising yourself or your achievements (especially if they can be discovered by a quick Google). Assuming that they're not obliged to pay you any more because of your qualifications, it shouldn't make any difference to them.
With any luck they'll see your honesty for what it is, and that you're just genuinely excited about the job itself.
Good luck!
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Can't you say that this part time job is an ideal fit for you as are capable of doing the work for this that and the other reasons ... ? And that for you this part time work gives you paid employment and fits around your other, entirely flexible, commitments?
Which basically tells the employer you can do the job, but have other reasons for applying for a job that you are overqualified to do. (If I was short listing, so long as you were capable of doing the job* and had a good reason for wanting a part time role, you'd probably get to interview.)
* tick all the essential and most of, if not all, the desirable requirements, which is the first bit of short listing;
* don't have any obvious drawbacks, like being past retirement age (I am not kidding, we had someone in their 70s applying for a physically very tough secondary school learning support role, she didn't make it to interview)
Before I get shouted at for ageism there are legal problems with employing someone over retirement age: particularly that they may not be covered by insurance. Physically tough means getting barged and knocked flying as you move around corridors and up and down narrow staircases at lesson changeover time with 1,000 loud and boisterous teenagers, so insurance cover is a real issue. We had people leave after a couple of days as they couldn't deal with the volume of noise and the amount of walking. Even those of us used to it found it tough coming back after the holidays.
Sandemaniac, it sounds as if you've made a good decision. Did you resolve the interview on a date you couldn't make?
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Sandemaniac
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I have indeed, CK. That means two in two mornings, but it's better than being in w**k! I also have an interview for the one I really want, and have accepted the severance offer conditional on getting a "no" from that job as the interview date is close to the final date for enhanced severance (it was the phrase "your department will pay..." that made my mind up... well, maybe not, but it helped!).
There is an end in sight to the shit job and arsehole boss! ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
Still some ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif) and ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) out there, but it feels a lot better.
Good luck, NEQ!
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Best of luck, Sandemaniac, and keep those positive thoughts coming!
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Two interviews down... Next one November 9th, which is the one I really want. After that... well, they'll be paying handsomely to get rid of me.
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"It becomes soon pleasantly apparent that change-ringing is by no means merely an excuse for beer" Charles Dickens gets it wrong, 1869
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Albertus
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Interview for job I'd really like tomorrow, combining practice experience aand academic interests, with a bit of a chance to do something for Wales, and of course some money.
Have been fairly concentrated on it but having a bit of a panic wobble now.
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My beard is a testament to my masculinity and virility, and demonstrates that I am a real man. Trouble is, bits of quiche sometimes get caught in it.
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Sandemaniac
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The very best of luck, Albertus!
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